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  What app formats a hard disk? briang@panix.com (Brian Gordon) - 2014-03-09 15:12 -0400
    Re: What app formats a hard disk? philo  <philo@privacy.net> - 2014-03-09 14:17 -0500
    Re: What app formats a hard disk? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2014-03-09 19:26 +0000
      Re: What app formats a hard disk? ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> - 2014-03-10 00:09 +0100
        Re: What app formats a hard disk? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2014-03-09 23:27 +0000
        Re: What app formats a hard disk? David Ryeburn <david_ryeburn@telus.netz> - 2014-03-13 01:59 -0700
          Re: What app formats a hard disk? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-03-14 00:03 +1300
            Re: What app formats a hard disk? Erik Richard Sørensen <tulle@tulle.dk> - 2014-03-13 18:59 +0100
              Re: What app formats a hard disk? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-03-13 14:04 -0400
                Re: What app formats a hard disk? ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> - 2014-03-13 20:03 +0100
                  Re: What app formats a hard disk? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-03-13 17:10 -0400
                    Re: What app formats a hard disk? Erik Richard Sørensen <tulle@tulle.dk> - 2014-03-14 00:18 +0100
                      Re: What app formats a hard disk? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-03-13 19:28 -0400
                      Re: What app formats a hard disk? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-14 01:50 +0000
                  Re: What app formats a hard disk? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-03-14 10:16 +1300
                    Re: What app formats a hard disk? Erik Richard Sørensen <tulle@tulle.dk> - 2014-03-14 00:14 +0100
                      Re: What app formats a hard disk? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-03-13 19:28 -0400
                      Re: What app formats a hard disk? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-03-14 13:19 +1300
                        Re: What app formats a hard disk? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-03-15 09:13 +1300
                      Re: What app formats a hard disk? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-14 02:41 +0000
          Re: What app formats a hard disk? ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> - 2014-03-13 18:22 +0100
            Re: What app formats a hard disk? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-03-13 13:56 -0400
    Re: What app formats a hard disk? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-09 15:51 -0400
      Re: What app formats a hard disk? briang@panix.com (Brian Gordon) - 2014-03-09 19:58 +0000
        Re: What app formats a hard disk? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-09 16:17 -0400
        Re: What app formats a hard disk? Tom Stiller <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> - 2014-03-09 23:10 +0000
          Re: What app formats a hard disk? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-03-09 19:30 -0500
          Re: What app formats a hard disk? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-10 17:17 -0400
            Re: What app formats a hard disk? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-03-10 22:22 +0000
      Re: What app formats a hard disk? "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2014-03-10 13:57 -0400

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#21410 — What app formats a hard disk?

A few years ago I bought an external disk for backups.  It came formatted for
a PC, and gave me great pain until I reformatted it as a Mac f/s disk, after
which all went well.

That disk is dying, and I have ordered another one.  I'm pretty sure I will
have to format that, too -- but I can't find a utility that does it :-(  I'm
pretty sure I used Disk Doctor, DiskTool Pro, or DiskWarrier before, but none
of them seem to have that option now.  Neither man or apropos seem to offer
help either.

What do I need?

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#21411

On 03/09/2014 02:12 PM, Brian Gordon wrote:
> A few years ago I bought an external disk for backups.  It came formatted for
> a PC, and gave me great pain until I reformatted it as a Mac f/s disk, after
> which all went well.
>
> That disk is dying, and I have ordered another one.  I'm pretty sure I will
> have to format that, too -- but I can't find a utility that does it :-(  I'm
> pretty sure I used Disk Doctor, DiskTool Pro, or DiskWarrier before, but none
> of them seem to have that option now.  Neither man or apropos seem to offer
> help either.
>
> What do I need?
>



Disk Utility.

No third party utilities are needed.

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#21413

In article <lfiefe$li0$1@panix1.panix.com>,
Brian Gordon <briang@panix.com> wrote:
>
>That disk is dying, and I have ordered another one.  I'm pretty sure I will
>have to format that, too -- but I can't find a utility that does it :-(  I'm
>pretty sure I used Disk Doctor, DiskTool Pro, or DiskWarrier before, but none
>of them seem to have that option now.  Neither man or apropos seem to offer
>help either.
>
>What do I need?

Am I missing something, or can you not simply hook up the drive
to your Mac and use the built-in Disk Utility app to reforma it?
Why did you need a third-party application last time?


Patty

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#21433

Patty Winter wrote:
> In article <lfiefe$li0$1@panix1.panix.com>,
> Brian Gordon <briang@panix.com> wrote:
>>
>> That disk is dying, and I have ordered another one.  I'm pretty sure I will
>> have to format that, too -- but I can't find a utility that does it :-(  I'm
>> pretty sure I used Disk Doctor, DiskTool Pro, or DiskWarrier before, but none
>> of them seem to have that option now.  Neither man or apropos seem to offer
>> help either.
>>
>> What do I need?
>
> Am I missing something, or can you not simply hook up the drive
> to your Mac and use the built-in Disk Utility app to reforma it?
> Why did you need a third-party application last time?

A PC formatted - MBR+FAT32 - will work fine just reading and writing to 
the disk. But if you want to use it as a bootable backup disk and/or 
with TimeMachine and most other backup tools I'm aware of such as 
Synchronize! Pro, SuperDuper, Silverkeeper, CarbonCopy Cloner etc. can 
not use the MBR/FAT32 formatting table

An Intel based Mac needs GUID partition map to be able to boot and a 
PowerPC Mac needs APM partition map...

Cheers, Erik Richar4d

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#21436

In article <lfisag$9sd$1@solani.org>, ErikRS  <mac-dane@is.invalid> wrote:
>
>Patty Winter wrote:
>>
>> Am I missing something, or can you not simply hook up the drive
>> to your Mac and use the built-in Disk Utility app to reforma it?
>> Why did you need a third-party application last time?
>
>A PC formatted - MBR+FAT32 - will work fine just reading and writing to 
>the disk. But if you want to use it as a bootable backup disk and/or 
>with TimeMachine and most other backup tools I'm aware of such as 
>Synchronize! Pro, SuperDuper, Silverkeeper, CarbonCopy Cloner etc. can 
>not use the MBR/FAT32 formatting table

Which is presumably why he wants to format it as a Mac HD. Which
Disk Utility is perfect for.


Patty

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#21518

In article <lfisag$9sd$1@solani.org>, ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> 
wrote:

> An Intel based Mac needs GUID partition map to be able to boot


Not true. I have two APM formatted Firewire drives which will boot Intel 
Macs as well as PPC Macs. What is true is that the Intel Mac system 
software will not INSTALL onto an APM formatted drive. If however you 
CLONE Intel Mac system software onto an APM formatted drive, the result 
will boot an Intel Mac. This is useful if you have both Intel and PPC 
Macs and an external drive with several partitions intended to be used 
to boot up various computers.


> and a PowerPC Mac needs APM partition map...


True. A PPC Mac can see the data on a GUID partition map drive and can 
write to it, but cannot boot from it.

Caution: My observations are for Mac OS up through 10.6. I do not know 
if what I wrote is true for 10.7 and higher because I have not tried it.

David

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#21519

David Ryeburn <david_ryeburn@telus.netz> wrote:

> In article <lfisag$9sd$1@solani.org>, ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> 
> wrote:
> 
> > An Intel based Mac needs GUID partition map to be able to boot
> 
> Not true. I have two APM formatted Firewire drives which will boot Intel
> Macs as well as PPC Macs. What is true is that the Intel Mac system 
> software will not INSTALL onto an APM formatted drive. If however you
> CLONE Intel Mac system software onto an APM formatted drive, the result
> will boot an Intel Mac. This is useful if you have both Intel and PPC
> Macs and an external drive with several partitions intended to be used
> to boot up various computers.

Agreed, but note that Apple might decide to break that feature with new
Mac models at some point (if that hasn't already happened).

Leopard came on a DVD which used APM and it could boot either PPC or
Intel Macs, so all 10.5-era and earlier Intel Macs must be able to boot
from APM. The Snow Leopard DVDs were also partitioned using APM,
therefore all Macs which were supplied with 10.6.x must support booting
from APM (assuming Apple didn't change the basic structure of the
model-specific DVDs late in the lifecycle of 10.6.x).

I've never seen Apple's official USB flash drive 10.7 installer but
there was no reason for it to use APM, nor is there any reason I can
think of for Macs which require 10.7 or later to be able to boot from
APM (I haven't tried), apart from the "multi-OS PPC and Intel Mac
utility hard drive" scenario, which I doubt Apple cares about
supporting.

APM is OK for occasional use for booting an Intel Mac (e.g. a utility
disk) but it shouldn't be used on the standard boot disk on any Intel
Mac, since installing firmware updates requires the startup volume to be
partitioned using GUID partition table.

> > and a PowerPC Mac needs APM partition map...
> 
> True. A PPC Mac can see the data on a GUID partition map drive and can
> write to it, but cannot boot from it.

The PPC Mac has to be running 10.4 or later to recognise GUID partition
table.

> Caution: My observations are for Mac OS up through 10.6. I do not know
> if what I wrote is true for 10.7 and higher because I have not tried it.

-- 
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#21522

David Empson wrote:
> David Ryeburn <david_ryeburn@telus.netz> wrote:
>> ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> wrote:
>>> An Intel based Mac needs GUID partition map to be able to boot
>>
>> Not true. I have two APM formatted Firewire drives which will boot Intel
>> Macs as well as PPC Macs. What is true is that the Intel Mac system
>> software will not INSTALL onto an APM formatted drive. If however you
>> CLONE Intel Mac system software onto an APM formatted drive, the result
>> will boot an Intel Mac. This is useful if you have both Intel and PPC
>> Macs and an external drive with several partitions intended to be used
>> to boot up various computers.
>
> Agreed, but note that Apple might decide to break that feature with new
> Mac models at some point (if that hasn't already happened).
>
> Leopard came on a DVD which used APM and it could boot either PPC or
> Intel Macs, so all 10.5-era and earlier Intel Macs must be able to boot
> from APM. The Snow Leopard DVDs were also partitioned using APM,
> therefore all Macs which were supplied with 10.6.x must support booting
> from APM (assuming Apple didn't change the basic structure of the
> model-specific DVDs late in the lifecycle of 10.6.x).
>
> I've never seen Apple's official USB flash drive 10.7 installer but
> there was no reason for it to use APM, nor is there any reason I can
> think of for Macs which require 10.7 or later to be able to boot from
> APM (I haven't tried), apart from the "multi-OS PPC and Intel Mac
> utility hard drive" scenario, which I doubt Apple cares about
> supporting.
>
> APM is OK for occasional use for booting an Intel Mac (e.g. a utility
> disk) but it shouldn't be used on the standard boot disk on any Intel
> Mac, since installing firmware updates requires the startup volume to be
> partitioned using GUID partition table.
>
>>> and a PowerPC Mac needs APM partition map...
>>
>> True. A PPC Mac can see the data on a GUID partition map drive and can
>> write to it, but cannot boot from it.
>
> The PPC Mac has to be running 10.4 or later to recognise GUID partition
> table.
>
>> Caution: My observations are for Mac OS up through 10.6. I do not know
>> if what I wrote is true for 10.7 and higher because I have not tried it.

Of course since there are no Intel based Macs running systems earlier 
than 10.4.x.

The strange things are that my original 10.4.0 DVD won't boot my MacPro, 
but my 4 CD set 10.4.6 will. The DVD fine boots a MacMini 1,83ghz and a 
13" MacBook (white)...

A check on both the 10.4.0 and 10.5.6 DVDs and the 10.4.6 CDs with 
DiskUtility says 'GUID' on the MacPro and MacMini, but 'APM' on my G5 
(now sold). - I haven't tried it on my newly bought MacPro 1.1 Xeon 
4x3,0ghz, since it won't run less than 10.5.4...

Cheers, Erik Richard

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OpenOffice.org - The Modern Productivity Solution - www.openoffice.org
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#21523

In article <5321f1f2$0$299$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, Erik Richard
Sørensen <tulle@tulle.dk> wrote:

> The strange things are that my original 10.4.0 DVD won't boot my MacPro, 

of course not. the first intel version was 10.4.4. 

> but my 4 CD set 10.4.6 will. The DVD fine boots a MacMini 1,83ghz and a 
> 13" MacBook (white)...

only if it's the intel version of 10.4, and the mac is old enough for
it to boot off it.

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#21524

nospam wrote:
> Erik Richard Sørensen <tulle@tulle.dk> wrote:
>
>> The strange things are that my original 10.4.0 DVD won't boot my MacPro,
>
> of course not. the first intel version was 10.4.4.
>
>> but my 4 CD set 10.4.6 will. The DVD fine boots a MacMini 1,83ghz and a
>> 13" MacBook (white)...
>
> only if it's the intel version of 10.4, and the mac is old enough for
> it to boot off it.

The CD set has been used for both a MacBook, a MacMini 1,42ghz PPC & 
18.3ghz Intel, a PowerBook G3 Pismo, a GigabitEthernet, a QuickSilver 
and of course also for more MDDs. - So it must be an UB version...

In fact I found it faster to use the CD set instead of the DVDs.

Cheers, Erik Richard

-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Erik Richard Sørensen, Member of ADC, <mac-daneRE@MOVEstofanet.dk>
NisusWriter - The Future In Multilingual Text Processing - www.nisus.com
Openoffice.org - The Modern Productivity Solution - www.openoffice.org
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#21525

In article <lfsvdc$o1g$1@solani.org>, ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid>
wrote:

> >> but my 4 CD set 10.4.6 will. The DVD fine boots a MacMini 1,83ghz and a
> >> 13" MacBook (white)...
> >
> > only if it's the intel version of 10.4, and the mac is old enough for
> > it to boot off it.
> 
> The CD set has been used for both a MacBook, a MacMini 1,42ghz PPC & 
> 18.3ghz Intel, a PowerBook G3 Pismo, a GigabitEthernet, a QuickSilver 
> and of course also for more MDDs. - So it must be an UB version...

then it's not 10.4.

10.4 was *either* powerpc or intel, with the retail version being
powerpc only. there never was a retail version of 10.4 intel.

10.5 was the first and only universal version of os x, also available
as a retail version.

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#21528

nospam wrote:
> ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> wrote:
>>>> but my 4 CD set 10.4.6 will. The DVD fine boots a MacMini 1,83ghz and a
>>>> 13" MacBook (white)...
>>>
>>> only if it's the intel version of 10.4, and the mac is old enough for
>>> it to boot off it.
>>
>> The CD set has been used for both a MacBook, a MacMini 1,42ghz PPC &
>> 18.3ghz Intel, a PowerBook G3 Pismo, a GigabitEthernet, a QuickSilver
>> and of course also for more MDDs. - So it must be an UB version...
>
> then it's not 10.4.
>
> 10.4 was *either* powerpc or intel, with the retail version being
> powerpc only. there never was a retail version of 10.4 intel.
>
> 10.5 was the first and only universal version of os x, also available
> as a retail version.

Yes, it is 10.4.6. The 10.4.x is the latest system version that can be 
installed onto G3 Macs... - And 10.4.x is also the last system that 
could be ordered on a CD set.

Cheers, Erik Richard

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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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NisusWriter - The Future In Multilingual Text Processing - www.nisus.com
OpenOffice.org - The Modern Productivity Solution - www.openoffice.org
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#21530

In article <53223cc8$0$296$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, Erik Richard
Sørensen <tulle@tulle.dk> wrote:

> >> The CD set has been used for both a MacBook, a MacMini 1,42ghz PPC &
> >> 18.3ghz Intel, a PowerBook G3 Pismo, a GigabitEthernet, a QuickSilver
> >> and of course also for more MDDs. - So it must be an UB version...
> >
> > then it's not 10.4.
> >
> > 10.4 was *either* powerpc or intel, with the retail version being
> > powerpc only. there never was a retail version of 10.4 intel.
> >
> > 10.5 was the first and only universal version of os x, also available
> > as a retail version.
> 
> Yes, it is 10.4.6.

it's not universal and since it's the cd version, it's a retail copy
which is powerpc. the intel version of 10.4 was never available as a
retail version.

> The 10.4.x is the latest system version that can be 
> installed onto G3 Macs... - And 10.4.x is also the last system that 
> could be ordered on a CD set.

so what? the issue is intel, which it is not. period.

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#21532

In message <53223cc8$0$296$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> 
  Erik Richard Sørensen <tulle@tulle.dk> wrote:

> nospam wrote:
>> ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> but my 4 CD set 10.4.6 will. The DVD fine boots a MacMini 1,83ghz and a
>>>>> 13" MacBook (white)...
>>>>
>>>> only if it's the intel version of 10.4, and the mac is old enough for
>>>> it to boot off it.
>>>
>>> The CD set has been used for both a MacBook, a MacMini 1,42ghz PPC &
>>> 18.3ghz Intel, a PowerBook G3 Pismo, a GigabitEthernet, a QuickSilver
>>> and of course also for more MDDs. - So it must be an UB version...
>>
>> then it's not 10.4.
>>
>> 10.4 was *either* powerpc or intel, with the retail version being
>> powerpc only. there never was a retail version of 10.4 intel.
>>
>> 10.5 was the first and only universal version of os x, also available
>> as a retail version.

> Yes, it is 10.4.6. The 10.4.x is the latest system version that can be 
> installed onto G3 Macs... - And 10.4.x is also the last system that 
> could be ordered on a CD set.

But those CDs could not boot an Intel Mac.

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#21526

ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> wrote:

> nospam wrote:
> > Erik Richard Sørensen <tulle@tulle.dk> wrote:
> >
> >> The strange things are that my original 10.4.0 DVD won't boot my MacPro,
> >
> > of course not. the first intel version was 10.4.4.
> >
> >> but my 4 CD set 10.4.6 will. The DVD fine boots a MacMini 1,83ghz and a
> >> 13" MacBook (white)...
> >
> > only if it's the intel version of 10.4, and the mac is old enough for
> > it to boot off it.
> 
> The CD set has been used for both a MacBook, a MacMini 1,42ghz PPC & 
> 18.3ghz Intel, a PowerBook G3 Pismo, a GigabitEthernet, a QuickSilver
> and of course also for more MDDs. - So it must be an UB version...

You are misremembering. If you had a single disc that could boot all
those models, it must have been Server 10.4.7 or later, or any variant
of 10.5.x or later, and it must have been a DVD.

The 10.4.6 retail DVD (and CD replacements) happened to be new enough to
support every PowerPC Mac model which could run Tiger, but they were
PowerPC only.

I have confirmed this just now by checking mine - the kernel on both the
DVD and CD 1 for retail 10.4.6 is PowerPC only, so no way can they boot
an Intel Mac. They are also APM.

The 10.4.x install/restore DVDs that shipped with Intel Macs were Intel
only. I haven't checked which partition scheme they use, but it could be
either APM or GUID.

The only universal OS install DVDs which exist for 10.4.x were the
retail Mac OS X Server 10.4.7 or later (Server 10.4.8 Universal or later
was also bundled with the Intel Xserve from Late 2006).

This is clearly indicated by the names of the software updates, e.g. for
10.4.8 (other 10.4.x updates left as an exercise for the reader), this
is the full set of delta updates:

http://support.apple.com/kb/DL312 (Intel)
http://support.apple.com/kb/DL313 (PPC)
http://support.apple.com/kb/DL316 (Server PPC)
http://support.apple.com/kb/DL318 (Server Universal)

> In fact I found it faster to use the CD set instead of the DVDs.
> 
> Cheers, Erik Richard


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#21527

David Empson wrote:
> ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> wrote:
>> nospam wrote:
>>> Erik Richard Sørensen <tulle@tulle.dk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The strange things are that my original 10.4.0 DVD won't boot my MacPro,
>>>
>>> of course not. the first intel version was 10.4.4.
>>>
>>>> but my 4 CD set 10.4.6 will. The DVD fine boots a MacMini 1,83ghz and a
>>>> 13" MacBook (white)...
>>>
>>> only if it's the intel version of 10.4, and the mac is old enough for
>>> it to boot off it.
>>
>> The CD set has been used for both a MacBook, a MacMini 1,42ghz PPC &
>> 18.3ghz Intel, a PowerBook G3 Pismo, a GigabitEthernet, a QuickSilver
>> and of course also for more MDDs. - So it must be an UB version...
>
> You are misremembering. If you had a single disc that could boot all
> those models, it must have been Server 10.4.7 or later, or any variant
> of 10.5.x or later, and it must have been a DVD.
>
> The 10.4.6 retail DVD (and CD replacements) happened to be new enough to
> support every PowerPC Mac model which could run Tiger, but they were
> PowerPC only.
>
> I have confirmed this just now by checking mine - the kernel on both the
> DVD and CD 1 for retail 10.4.6 is PowerPC only, so no way can they boot
> an Intel Mac. They are also APM.
>
> The 10.4.x install/restore DVDs that shipped with Intel Macs were Intel
> only. I haven't checked which partition scheme they use, but it could be
> either APM or GUID.
>
> The only universal OS install DVDs which exist for 10.4.x were the
> retail Mac OS X Server 10.4.7 or later (Server 10.4.8 Universal or later
> was also bundled with the Intel Xserve from Late 2006).
>
> This is clearly indicated by the names of the software updates, e.g. for
> 10.4.8 (other 10.4.x updates left as an exercise for the reader), this
> is the full set of delta updates:
>
> http://support.apple.com/kb/DL312 (Intel)
> http://support.apple.com/kb/DL313 (PPC)
> http://support.apple.com/kb/DL316 (Server PPC)
> http://support.apple.com/kb/DL318 (Server Universal)

I don't know, but I do know that my CD set is a 4 disc CD-set with OS X 
10.4.6 Universal Binary - else it would under no circumstances be able 
to boot anything Intel Mac... - I also do know that at least one of my 
10.4.6 retail DVDs is an Universal Binary...

I'm not sure whether it's a server edition or not. - There are no 
indications on the labels that it /is/ a server edition.

So that's a fact - no matter what you might say.

Cheers, Erik Richard

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#21529

In article <53223bf2$0$296$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, Erik Richard
Sørensen <tulle@tulle.dk> wrote:

> >> The CD set has been used for both a MacBook, a MacMini 1,42ghz PPC &
> >> 18.3ghz Intel, a PowerBook G3 Pismo, a GigabitEthernet, a QuickSilver
> >> and of course also for more MDDs. - So it must be an UB version...
> >
> > You are misremembering. If you had a single disc that could boot all
> > those models, it must have been Server 10.4.7 or later, or any variant
> > of 10.5.x or later, and it must have been a DVD.
> >
> > The 10.4.6 retail DVD (and CD replacements) happened to be new enough to
> > support every PowerPC Mac model which could run Tiger, but they were
> > PowerPC only.
> >
> > I have confirmed this just now by checking mine - the kernel on both the
> > DVD and CD 1 for retail 10.4.6 is PowerPC only, so no way can they boot
> > an Intel Mac. They are also APM.
> >
> > The 10.4.x install/restore DVDs that shipped with Intel Macs were Intel
> > only. I haven't checked which partition scheme they use, but it could be
> > either APM or GUID.
> >
> > The only universal OS install DVDs which exist for 10.4.x were the
> > retail Mac OS X Server 10.4.7 or later (Server 10.4.8 Universal or later
> > was also bundled with the Intel Xserve from Late 2006).
> >
> > This is clearly indicated by the names of the software updates, e.g. for
> > 10.4.8 (other 10.4.x updates left as an exercise for the reader), this
> > is the full set of delta updates:
> >
> > http://support.apple.com/kb/DL312 (Intel)
> > http://support.apple.com/kb/DL313 (PPC)
> > http://support.apple.com/kb/DL316 (Server PPC)
> > http://support.apple.com/kb/DL318 (Server Universal)
> 
> I don't know, 

correct. you don't know.

> but I do know that my CD set is a 4 disc CD-set with OS X 
> 10.4.6 Universal Binary - else it would under no circumstances be able 
> to boot anything Intel Mac... - I also do know that at least one of my 
> 10.4.6 retail DVDs is an Universal Binary...

no such thing existed. the cd set is a retail version and therefore
powerpc. 

> I'm not sure whether it's a server edition or not. - There are no 
> indications on the labels that it /is/ a server edition.

then it's not.

> So that's a fact - no matter what you might say.

the only fact is you're full of shit.

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#21531

Erik Richard Sørensen <tulle@tulle.dk> wrote:

> David Empson wrote:
> > ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> wrote:
> >> nospam wrote:
> >>> Erik Richard Sørensen <tulle@tulle.dk> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> The strange things are that my original 10.4.0 DVD won't boot my MacPro,
> >>>
> >>> of course not. the first intel version was 10.4.4.
> >>>
> >>>> but my 4 CD set 10.4.6 will. The DVD fine boots a MacMini 1,83ghz and a
> >>>> 13" MacBook (white)...
> >>>
> >>> only if it's the intel version of 10.4, and the mac is old enough for
> >>> it to boot off it.
> >>
> >> The CD set has been used for both a MacBook, a MacMini 1,42ghz PPC &
> >> 18.3ghz Intel, a PowerBook G3 Pismo, a GigabitEthernet, a QuickSilver
> >> and of course also for more MDDs. - So it must be an UB version...
> >
> > You are misremembering. If you had a single disc that could boot all
> > those models, it must have been Server 10.4.7 or later, or any variant
> > of 10.5.x or later, and it must have been a DVD.
> >
> > The 10.4.6 retail DVD (and CD replacements) happened to be new enough to
> > support every PowerPC Mac model which could run Tiger, but they were
> > PowerPC only.
> >
> > I have confirmed this just now by checking mine - the kernel on both the
> > DVD and CD 1 for retail 10.4.6 is PowerPC only, so no way can they boot
> > an Intel Mac. They are also APM.
> >
> > The 10.4.x install/restore DVDs that shipped with Intel Macs were Intel
> > only. I haven't checked which partition scheme they use, but it could be
> > either APM or GUID.
> >
> > The only universal OS install DVDs which exist for 10.4.x were the
> > retail Mac OS X Server 10.4.7 or later (Server 10.4.8 Universal or later
> > was also bundled with the Intel Xserve from Late 2006).
> >
> > This is clearly indicated by the names of the software updates, e.g. for
> > 10.4.8 (other 10.4.x updates left as an exercise for the reader), this
> > is the full set of delta updates:
> >
> > http://support.apple.com/kb/DL312 (Intel)
> > http://support.apple.com/kb/DL313 (PPC)
> > http://support.apple.com/kb/DL316 (Server PPC)
> > http://support.apple.com/kb/DL318 (Server Universal)
> 
> I don't know, but I do know that my CD set is a 4 disc CD-set with OS X
> 10.4.6 Universal Binary - else it would under no circumstances be able
> to boot anything Intel Mac... - I also do know that at least one of my
> 10.4.6 retail DVDs is an Universal Binary...

The only way you could have something on DVD/CD which booted both
PowerPC and Intel Macs into 10.4.x would be Server 10.4.7 or later
(which might not have existed on CD), or a third party product.

I imagine that Apple could have licensed such a system for third party
utilities, e.g. the OS used by DiskWarrior or TechTool Pro on their
bootable CD/DVD. I can check mine later to see what they contain.

Apple never released a universal binary Install DVD or Install CDs for
non-server 10.4.x. If such a product did exist it would be of limited
use as an installer because the resulting system would be unable to
install later minor versions or security updates, since Apple never
published universal binary updaters for non-server 10.4.x.

> I'm not sure whether it's a server edition or not. - There are no 
> indications on the labels that it /is/ a server edition.

Then it isn't. I don't have any 10.4 Server DVDs, but the 10.5 one
clearly says "Mac OS X Server" on the left side (above "Install DVD" in
smaller letters), and I recall similar wording on earlier versions.

> So that's a fact - no matter what you might say.

No it isn't. You are mistaken about which disk you used to boot the
Intel Macs.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#21534

David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:

> Erik Richard Sørensen <tulle@tulle.dk> wrote:

[...]

> > I don't know, but I do know that my CD set is a 4 disc CD-set with OS X
> > 10.4.6 Universal Binary - else it would under no circumstances be able
> > to boot anything Intel Mac... - I also do know that at least one of my
> > 10.4.6 retail DVDs is an Universal Binary...
> 
> The only way you could have something on DVD/CD which booted both
> PowerPC and Intel Macs into 10.4.x would be Server 10.4.7 or later
> (which might not have existed on CD), or a third party product.
> 
> I imagine that Apple could have licensed such a system for third party
> utilities, e.g. the OS used by DiskWarrior or TechTool Pro on their
> bootable CD/DVD. I can check mine later to see what they contain.

Found it. My DiskWarrior 4.0 CD contains Mac OS X 10.4.9 and it is a
universal binary, so it will boot all PowerPC Macs compatible with
Tiger, and Intel Macs from Early 2006 to Late 2006.

That doesn't change my other points - this isn't an install CD for Mac
OS X, and if the system on that disk somehow ended up on a hard drive,
it couldn't be updated because there are no non-server universal binary
updaters for Mac OS X 10.4.x.

All evidence so far points to 10.4.7 being the first version for which
Apple did a universal build. The public releases I know about were the
installer for Server 10.4.7 (retail) and licensed use on third party
utility CDs (10.4.9).

The Late 2006 Xserve install/restore DVD (Server 10.4.8) was almost
certainly a universal binary edition (probably with a model check),
since Apple didn't release any Intel-only updaters for Mac OS X Server
10.4.x, only PowerPC and Universal updaters.
-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#21533

In message <53223bf2$0$296$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> 
  Erik Richard Sørensen <tulle@tulle.dk> wrote:
> I don't know, but I do know that my CD set is a 4 disc CD-set with OS X 
> 10.4.6 Universal Binary

There's no such thing.

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