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  Quickeys, iKey, Automation gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-02-27 09:59 -0800
    Re: Quickeys, iKey, Automation Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-27 18:28 +0000
      Re: Quickeys, iKey, Automation gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-02-27 15:23 -0800
    Re: Quickeys, iKey, Automation Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-27 21:41 +0000
      Re: Quickeys, iKey, Automation gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-02-27 15:23 -0800
        Re: Quickeys, iKey, Automation darrel@NOSPAMknutson.com (Darrel Knutson) - 2014-02-28 08:50 +0100
          Re: Quickeys, iKey, Automation gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-02-28 07:41 -0800
          Re: Quickeys, iKey, Automation dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2014-02-28 17:43 +0000
            Re: Quickeys, iKey, Automation Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-02-28 21:31 -0800
              Re: Quickeys, iKey, Automation gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-03-01 11:17 -0800
              Re: Quickeys, iKey, Automation Jim Gibson <jimsgibson@gmail.com> - 2014-03-03 16:39 -0800
                Re: Quickeys, iKey, Automation gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-03-03 20:58 -0800
                  Re: Quickeys, iKey, Automation Jim Gibson <jimsgibson@gmail.com> - 2014-03-06 10:05 -0800

#21231 — Quickeys, iKey, Automation

As loyal a fan as I am to QuicKeys, five years and 3 OS's later, they 
haven't had no updates and I now assume they never will.

Anyone have a viewpoint on iKey? It's by PlumAmazing Software and I 
think they're Copypaste Pro software is excellent.  iKey looks very 
good.  Nothing will do everything that QuicKeys does, but I'm hoping 
for a combination of utilities that will more-or-less replicate it.

Any other automation programs that others are zealots for?

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#21232

On 2014-02-27, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> As loyal a fan as I am to QuicKeys, five years and 3 OS's later, they 
> haven't had no updates

So you're saying they've had plenty of updates?

(Sorry, couldn't resist. : )

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#21234

On 2014-02-27 18:28:41 +0000, Jolly Roger said:

> On 2014-02-27, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>> As loyal a fan as I am to QuicKeys, five years and 3 OS's later, they
>> haven't had no updates
> 
> So you're saying they've had plenty of updates?
> 
> (Sorry, couldn't resist. : )

Worthy of needlement:  They *have* done bupkis.

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#21233

In message <2014022709593715892-xxx@yyyzzz> 
  gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> As loyal a fan as I am to QuicKeys, five years and 3 OS's later, they 
> haven't had no updates and I now assume they never will.

> Anyone have a viewpoint on iKey? It's by PlumAmazing Software and I 
> think they're Copypaste Pro software is excellent.  iKey looks very 
> good.  Nothing will do everything that QuicKeys does, but I'm hoping 
> for a combination of utilities that will more-or-less replicate it.

> Any other automation programs that others are zealots for?

I hear a lot of people like Keyboard Maestro.

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#21235

On 2014-02-27 21:41:00 +0000, Lewis said:

> In message <2014022709593715892-xxx@yyyzzz>
>   gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>> As loyal a fan as I am to QuicKeys, five years and 3 OS's later, they
>> haven't had no updates and I now assume they never will.
> 
>> Anyone have a viewpoint on iKey? It's by PlumAmazing Software and I
>> think they're Copypaste Pro software is excellent.  iKey looks very
>> good.  Nothing will do everything that QuicKeys does, but I'm hoping
>> for a combination of utilities that will more-or-less replicate it.
> 
>> Any other automation programs that others are zealots for?
> 
> I hear a lot of people like Keyboard Maestro.

Yup: I knew there was another one to consider. iKey does look way deep, though:

iKey anyone?  Anyone?

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#21238

gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:

> iKey anyone?  Anyone?

I've been using iKey for years, but only to launch applications from the
keyboard and select a few menu items from specific apps, i.e. I haven't
ever really used much of the macro stuff.

It's dependable, reliable as very easily understandable how to use if
you are a former user of QuicKeys like me.

I'd recommend you try it out.

Darrel

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#21240

On 2014-02-28 07:50:20 +0000, Darrel Knutson said:

> gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> 
>> iKey anyone?  Anyone?
> 
> I've been using iKey for years, but only to launch applications from the
> keyboard and select a few menu items from specific apps, i.e. I haven't
> ever really used much of the macro stuff.
> 
> It's dependable, reliable as very easily understandable how to use if
> you are a former user of QuicKeys like me.
> 
> I'd recommend you try it out.

That I will.  Thanks.

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#21241

Darrel Knutson <darrel@NOSPAMknutson.com> wrote:

> gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> 
> > iKey anyone?  Anyone?
> 
> I've been using iKey for years, but only to launch applications from the
> keyboard and select a few menu items from specific apps, i.e. I haven't
> ever really used much of the macro stuff.
> 
> It's dependable, reliable as very easily understandable how to use if
> you are a former user of QuicKeys like me.

I use Keyboard Maestro myself. It works well and is powerful. The manual
is good, but I think many more worked examples would be useful.
Fortunately, the developer and people on the forums are very helpful.

I don't know anything about iKey


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#21247

In article <1lhsb3k.1cd7hphvds8rvN%dcohenspam@talktalk.net>,
 dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) wrote:

> Darrel Knutson <darrel@NOSPAMknutson.com> wrote:
> 
> > gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> > 
> > > iKey anyone?  Anyone?
> > 
> > I've been using iKey for years, but only to launch applications from the
> > keyboard and select a few menu items from specific apps, i.e. I haven't
> > ever really used much of the macro stuff.
> > 
> > It's dependable, reliable as very easily understandable how to use if
> > you are a former user of QuicKeys like me.
> 
> I use Keyboard Maestro myself. It works well and is powerful. The manual
> is good, but I think many more worked examples would be useful.
> Fortunately, the developer and people on the forums are very helpful.
> 
> I don't know anything about iKey

When Quickeys looked like they were on life support (shortly after they 
"advertised" for a MacOS developer because theirs had died), I started 
looking at iKey.  It did most of what I wanted--remapping menu functions 
to keyboard shortcuts.  But I had problems with a version or for some 
reason looked into Keyboard Maestro because it did more than iKeys, even 
though I don't use 50% of the features.

I wonder who wrote Stokely's business plan (they're the ones that bought 
Quickeys from Prairie software).  They looked for the longest time for a 
MacOS developer but I but they never found someone who'd be willing to 
work near their offices for anything less than $100K/year, which 
probably more than what the company makes in annual sales.  

Does Quickeys run on 10.9?

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#21257

On 2014-03-01 05:31:43 +0000, Michael Vilain said:

> I wonder who wrote Stokely's business plan (they're the ones that bought
> Quickeys from Prairie software).

That should be "Startly".

> They looked for the longest time for a
> MacOS developer but I but they never found someone who'd be willing to
> work near their offices for anything less than $100K/year, which
> probably more than what the company makes in annual sales.
> 
> Does Quickeys run on 10.9?

Yes. I have only found one oddity.  Once you load the QuicKeys editor 
summoning a SoftKey palettes starts getting wonky and goes into some 
kind of "wait" state where you have to click the "continue macro" key. 
Other macros and such will work but it gets wonky in this way once 
you've opened the editor.

I wrote a little Applescript that quits and restarts QuicKeys so that 
once I've finished editing macros--not too frequently--I can make 
everything work right again.  It's not a big deal, particularly since 
may QuicKeys users don't usee the SoftKey options.

The intoroduction of Mavericks killed CopyPaste Pro for a while, 
they've not updated it.  But QuicKeys interferes with the operation of 
CopyPaste Pro. A simple copy function, of text or image or whatever, 
just won't work with QuicKeys running. So now there are to issues for 
me.

I've just spent some time with both iKeys and Keyboard Maestro, and 
though they'll do plenty of what I need, there are still many QuicKeys 
macros I use for which there is no replication in these programs, 
unfortunately.

I sure wish Startly would hire a fix-it programmer to put them back in 
good stead.  The whole idea of working "near their offices" is likely 
based on their experience with their now deceased programmer who worked 
from home during his waning days, which he apparently kept secret from 
the company. At least that's my sense of it.

It's amazing, considering everything the program can do, which 
mind-boggling, that they would rather just bleed the last few dollars 
out of it that they can.  I can't imagine they are selling many new 
copies in its current state.

Oh well.  Nothing lasts forever.

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#21317

In article <vilain-4D3EB4.21314328022014@news.individual.net>, Michael
Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote:


> Does Quickeys run on 10.9?

I am using Quickeys on 10.9 for macros within BBEdit. When I first
installed it on a new (to me) 10.9 system it didn't work. However, I
was able to find the work-around: you need to go to Get Info on the
application and select the "Prevent App Nap" checkbox. I think
Maverick's new "App Nap" was disabling Quickeys, causing it to ignore
key presses that it should be listening to.

More info here:

<http://forums.startly.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=5041&f=3&sid=d08b5f
1f4f1504f5c1dfaabe03b9178a>

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#21321

On 2014-03-04 00:39:46 +0000, Jim Gibson said:

> In article <vilain-4D3EB4.21314328022014@news.individual.net>, Michael
> Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>> Does Quickeys run on 10.9?
> 
> I am using Quickeys on 10.9 for macros within BBEdit. When I first
> installed it on a new (to me) 10.9 system it didn't work. However, I
> was able to find the work-around: you need to go to Get Info on the
> application and select the "Prevent App Nap" checkbox. I think
> Maverick's new "App Nap" was disabling Quickeys, causing it to ignore
> key presses that it should be listening to.
> 
> More info here:
> 
> <http://forums.startly.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=5041&f=3&sid=d08b5f
> 1f4f1504f5c1dfaabe03b9178a>

I remember reading that on the forum, but never experienced it.  I 
don't even know what App Nap is!

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#21355

In article <201403032058585843-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:

> On 2014-03-04 00:39:46 +0000, Jim Gibson said:
> 
> > In article <vilain-4D3EB4.21314328022014@news.individual.net>, Michael
> > Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >> Does Quickeys run on 10.9?
> > 
> > I am using Quickeys on 10.9 for macros within BBEdit. When I first
> > installed it on a new (to me) 10.9 system it didn't work. However, I
> > was able to find the work-around: you need to go to Get Info on the
> > application and select the "Prevent App Nap" checkbox. I think
> > Maverick's new "App Nap" was disabling Quickeys, causing it to ignore
> > key presses that it should be listening to.
> > 
> > More info here:
> > 
> > <http://forums.startly.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=5041&f=3&sid=d08b5f
> > 1f4f1504f5c1dfaabe03b9178a>
> 
> I remember reading that on the forum, but never experienced it.  I 
> don't even know what App Nap is!

It is one of the new features in Mavericks. It puts applications in a
"nap" state if they do not have any visible windows and isn't otherwise
doing something productive, such as playing music, etc. Information
here:

<http://www.apple.com/osx/advanced-technologies/>

I would guess that in the case of Quickeys, the OS is mistakenly
putting the application in a non-responsive state and it can no longer
respond to key presses.

I have a similar problem with the scroll ring on one of my two
Kensington scroll balls. The one under Lion works fine; the one under
Mavericks does not: it doesn't do anything at first, then scrolls too
far when it finally wakes up.

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