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#27591

From	Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date	2015-02-02 09:26 -0700
Message-ID	<020220150926456194%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to	#27583

In article <201502012210169684-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:

> On 2015-02-02 05:21:25 +0000, Rod Speed said:
> 
> >> google and apple have totally different business models.
> > 
> > Irrelevant to who is their main competitor in
> > the smartphone and tablet OS market, fuckwit.
> 
> Intersting: I hadn't noticed such a straight-up prick around here 
> recently, begging for some drama.

He's been doing that on these newsgroups for years on end.

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#27593

From	Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid>
Date	2015-02-02 16:43 +0000
Message-ID	<cj9npeFlgg5U2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#27591

On 2015-02-02, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <201502012210169684-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>
>> On 2015-02-02 05:21:25 +0000, Rod Speed said:
>> 
>> >> google and apple have totally different business models.
>> > 
>> > Irrelevant to who is their main competitor in
>> > the smartphone and tablet OS market, fuckwit.
>> 
>> Intersting: I hadn't noticed such a straight-up prick around here 
>> recently, begging for some drama.
>
> He's been doing that on these newsgroups for years on end.

Yep. Wodders has been an obnoxious 12 y/o for years and years.


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#27613

From	Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date	2015-02-02 22:57 +0000
Message-ID	<slrnmd007k.1sbd.g.kreme@kreme.eternal-september.org>
In reply to	#27591

Okay, so one time? In band camp? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> was all, like:
> In article <201502012210169684-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:

>> On 2015-02-02 05:21:25 +0000, Rod Speed said:
>> 
>> >> google and apple have totally different business models.
>> > 
>> > Irrelevant to who is their main competitor in
>> > the smartphone and tablet OS market, fuckwit.
>> 
>> Intersting: I hadn't noticed such a straight-up prick around here 
>> recently, begging for some drama.

> He's been doing that on these newsgroups for years on end.

And he's just as ignorant, pig headed, and willfully stupid as he's ever
been.


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#27594

From	Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu>
Date	2015-02-02 11:59 -0500
Message-ID	<barmar-90616D.11590402022015@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu>
In reply to	#27579

In article <cj8c83Fai2lU1@mid.individual.net>,
 "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

> "DevilsPGD" <boogabooga@crazyhat.net> wrote in message 
> news:h6ttcato8svdn1blvogj2ju1fj9gvvvmro@4ax.com...
> > In the last episode of <201502011528166493-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr
> > <xxx@yyy.zzz> said:
> >
> >>On 2015-02-01 19:01:05 +0000, Invid Fan said:
> >>
> >>> In article <NLOdnQCjQLGM3lPJnZ2dnUU7-SGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> >>> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Apparently the Apple/Google deal on default search for Safari (OS X and
> >>>> iOS) will end soon and Yahoo and MS are vying to be the new default
> >>>> search engine.
> >>>>
> >>> It would be funny if Apple went with Duck Duck Go, just to piss the
> >>> others off (It's already one of the options)
> >>
> >>Why would they set ANY search engine as the default.
> >
> > Business and money. From a business perspective, Apple's default
> > settings control a huge segment of the market, if they change their
> > default from Google to something else, it will make a noticeable dent on
> > the bottom line of both Google and the gaining search engine.
> >
> > If one particular search engine is willing to pay more than another to
> > have their bottom line go up, well, that works for Apple.
> 
> But google is apple's main competitor so its more complicated than that. 

It's not uncommon these days for large companies to be competitors in 
one market, and have a customer/vendor relationship in another. The 
relevant divisions of each company tend to ignore the others.

I've heard it called "coopetition".

-- 
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***

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#27595

From	Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date	2015-02-02 10:32 -0700
Message-ID	<020220151032141952%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to	#27594

In article <barmar-90616D.11590402022015@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu>,
Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> > > If one particular search engine is willing to pay more than another to
> > > have their bottom line go up, well, that works for Apple.
> > 
> > But google is apple's main competitor so its more complicated than that. 
> 
> It's not uncommon these days for large companies to be competitors in 
> one market, and have a customer/vendor relationship in another. The 
> relevant divisions of each company tend to ignore the others.

Apple and Samsung is a prime example.

> I've heard it called "coopetition".

never heard that term before, but it is fitting.

-- Michelle

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#27596

From	"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Date	2015-02-03 05:06 +1100
Message-ID	<cj9smoFmspjU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#27594


"Barry Margolin" <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote in message 
news:barmar-90616D.11590402022015@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu...
> In article <cj8c83Fai2lU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "DevilsPGD" <boogabooga@crazyhat.net> wrote in message
>> news:h6ttcato8svdn1blvogj2ju1fj9gvvvmro@4ax.com...
>> > In the last episode of <201502011528166493-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr
>> > <xxx@yyy.zzz> said:
>> >
>> >>On 2015-02-01 19:01:05 +0000, Invid Fan said:
>> >>
>> >>> In article <NLOdnQCjQLGM3lPJnZ2dnUU7-SGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan 
>> >>> Browne
>> >>> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Apparently the Apple/Google deal on default search for Safari (OS X 
>> >>>> and
>> >>>> iOS) will end soon and Yahoo and MS are vying to be the new default
>> >>>> search engine.
>> >>>>
>> >>> It would be funny if Apple went with Duck Duck Go, just to piss the
>> >>> others off (It's already one of the options)
>> >>
>> >>Why would they set ANY search engine as the default.
>> >
>> > Business and money. From a business perspective, Apple's default
>> > settings control a huge segment of the market, if they change their
>> > default from Google to something else, it will make a noticeable dent 
>> > on
>> > the bottom line of both Google and the gaining search engine.
>> >
>> > If one particular search engine is willing to pay more than another to
>> > have their bottom line go up, well, that works for Apple.
>>
>> But google is apple's main competitor so its more complicated than that.

> It's not uncommon these days for large companies to be competitors
> in one market, and have a customer/vendor relationship in another.

Like I said, its more complicated than the devil stated.

> The relevant divisions of each company tend to ignore the others.

Not with apple or google.

> I've heard it called "coopetition".

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#27597

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2015-02-02 13:09 -0500
Message-ID	<020220151309415102%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#27594

In article <barmar-90616D.11590402022015@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu>,
Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> 
> It's not uncommon these days for large companies to be competitors in 
> one market, and have a customer/vendor relationship in another. The 
> relevant divisions of each company tend to ignore the others.
> 
> I've heard it called "coopetition".

they're separate divisions.

samsung's chip division makes chips for apple, yet another division
makes phones that compete with apple.

sony's chip division makes sensors for nikon and others and sony's
camera division uses sony chips in their own cameras. contrary to
common belief, they're not the exact same sensors. nikon's version of
the sensor is nikon's design, while sony's sony's design. it's similar,
but not identical.

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#27610

From	Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date	2015-02-02 16:29 -0500
Message-ID	<rq2dnTw1T_jScVLJnZ2dnUU7-WudnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to	#27594

On 2015.02.02 11:59 , Barry Margolin wrote:
> In article <cj8c83Fai2lU1@mid.individual.net>,
>   "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "DevilsPGD" <boogabooga@crazyhat.net> wrote in message
>> news:h6ttcato8svdn1blvogj2ju1fj9gvvvmro@4ax.com...
>>> In the last episode of <201502011528166493-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr
>>> <xxx@yyy.zzz> said:
>>>
>>>> On 2015-02-01 19:01:05 +0000, Invid Fan said:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <NLOdnQCjQLGM3lPJnZ2dnUU7-SGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
>>>>> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Apparently the Apple/Google deal on default search for Safari (OS X and
>>>>>> iOS) will end soon and Yahoo and MS are vying to be the new default
>>>>>> search engine.
>>>>>>
>>>>> It would be funny if Apple went with Duck Duck Go, just to piss the
>>>>> others off (It's already one of the options)
>>>>
>>>> Why would they set ANY search engine as the default.
>>>
>>> Business and money. From a business perspective, Apple's default
>>> settings control a huge segment of the market, if they change their
>>> default from Google to something else, it will make a noticeable dent on
>>> the bottom line of both Google and the gaining search engine.
>>>
>>> If one particular search engine is willing to pay more than another to
>>> have their bottom line go up, well, that works for Apple.
>>
>> But google is apple's main competitor so its more complicated than that.
>
> It's not uncommon these days for large companies to be competitors in
> one market, and have a customer/vendor relationship in another. The
> relevant divisions of each company tend to ignore the others.
>
> I've heard it called "coopetition".

In military integration contracts this has been going on for decades.

In several bids for "integrator" we're proposing (and getting pricing) 
for various bits the competitor makes and v-v.  In the end you may lose 
the integration, but at least sell sub systems and in some cases get a 
sub contract for some of the integration.

Or v-v.  When you have three or four competitors vying for "top" 
position and all 4 also providing parts it makes for fun and games in 
the end.  The term "Chinese firewall" comes up a lot...

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  determined by what remains after your
  bad habits are subtracted from your good ones."
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#27614

From	Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date	2015-02-02 22:59 +0000
Message-ID	<slrnmd00c0.1sbd.g.kreme@kreme.eternal-september.org>
In reply to	#27594

Okay, so one time? In band camp? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> was all, like:
> In article <cj8c83Fai2lU1@mid.individual.net>,
>  "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>> "DevilsPGD" <boogabooga@crazyhat.net> wrote in message 
>> news:h6ttcato8svdn1blvogj2ju1fj9gvvvmro@4ax.com...
>> > In the last episode of <201502011528166493-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr
>> > <xxx@yyy.zzz> said:
>> >
>> >>On 2015-02-01 19:01:05 +0000, Invid Fan said:
>> >>
>> >>> In article <NLOdnQCjQLGM3lPJnZ2dnUU7-SGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
>> >>> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Apparently the Apple/Google deal on default search for Safari (OS X and
>> >>>> iOS) will end soon and Yahoo and MS are vying to be the new default
>> >>>> search engine.
>> >>>>
>> >>> It would be funny if Apple went with Duck Duck Go, just to piss the
>> >>> others off (It's already one of the options)
>> >>
>> >>Why would they set ANY search engine as the default.
>> >
>> > Business and money. From a business perspective, Apple's default
>> > settings control a huge segment of the market, if they change their
>> > default from Google to something else, it will make a noticeable dent on
>> > the bottom line of both Google and the gaining search engine.
>> >
>> > If one particular search engine is willing to pay more than another to
>> > have their bottom line go up, well, that works for Apple.
>> 
>> But google is apple's main competitor so its more complicated than that. 

> It's not uncommon these days for large companies to be competitors in 
> one market, and have a customer/vendor relationship in another. The 
> relevant divisions of each company tend to ignore the others.

> I've heard it called "coopetition".

But Google is *not* Apple's main competitor. In fact, there are very few
areas in which Apple and Google compete. Let's see.. free email services
(free from both) and free contact/calendar/etc syncing (free from both).

Where do they compete?

Google is an advertising company. Apple is not an advertising company.

No monetary competition at all.

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#27629

From	Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date	2015-02-02 20:24 -0700
Message-ID	<020220152024274000%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to	#27614

In article <slrnmd00c0.1sbd.g.kreme@kreme.eternal-september.org>, Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> But Google is *not* Apple's main competitor. In fact, there are very few
> areas in which Apple and Google compete. Let's see.. free email services
> (free from both) and free contact/calendar/etc syncing (free from both).
> 
> Where do they compete?

In the mobile OS arena.

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#27632

From	"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Date	2015-02-03 15:31 +1100
Message-ID	<cjb1a7F19feU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#27629

Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote 
> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote
 
>> But Google is *not* Apple's main competitor. In fact, there are very few
>> areas in which Apple and Google compete. Let's see.. free email services
>> (free from both) and free contact/calendar/etc syncing (free from both).
 
>> Where do they compete?
 
> In the mobile OS arena.

And with browsers too. 

And with navigation apps as well. 

And with cellphones and tablets and cameras as well.

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#27634

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2015-02-03 09:32 -0500
Message-ID	<030220150932518483%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#27629

In article <020220152024274000%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
<michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> > But Google is *not* Apple's main competitor. In fact, there are very few
> > areas in which Apple and Google compete. Let's see.. free email services
> > (free from both) and free contact/calendar/etc syncing (free from both).
> > 
> > Where do they compete?
> 
> In the mobile OS arena.

actually they don't.

google gives away android (and licenses it to some manufacturers).
apple doesn't give away ios

google makes the majority of its revenue from advertising.
apple makes the majority of its revenue from iphone sales.

google does sell nexus phones, but they're not big sellers and heavily
subsidized and sold at or below cost. google makes money from
advertising revenue from those who buy the nexus phones.

apple's competitor in the mobile space is samsung.

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#27635

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2015-02-03 15:06 +0000
Message-ID	<cjc6fbFags1U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#27634

On 2015-02-03, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <020220152024274000%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
><michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>
>> > But Google is *not* Apple's main competitor. In fact, there are very few
>> > areas in which Apple and Google compete. Let's see.. free email services
>> > (free from both) and free contact/calendar/etc syncing (free from both).
>> > 
>> > Where do they compete?
>> 
>> In the mobile OS arena.
>
> actually they don't.
>
> google gives away android (and licenses it to some manufacturers).
> apple doesn't give away ios
>
> google makes the majority of its revenue from advertising.
> apple makes the majority of its revenue from iphone sales.
>
> google does sell nexus phones, but they're not big sellers and heavily
> subsidized and sold at or below cost. google makes money from
> advertising revenue from those who buy the nexus phones.
>
> apple's competitor in the mobile space is samsung.

Yep. The idea that Google is Apple's "main competitor" is laughable.

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#27640

From	Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date	2015-02-03 09:59 -0700
Message-ID	<030220150959471997%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to	#27635

In article <cjc6fbFags1U1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2015-02-03, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> > In article <020220152024274000%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
> ><michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> >
> >> > But Google is *not* Apple's main competitor. In fact, there are very few
> >> > areas in which Apple and Google compete. Let's see.. free email services
> >> > (free from both) and free contact/calendar/etc syncing (free from both).
> >> > 
> >> > Where do they compete?
> >> 
> >> In the mobile OS arena.
> >
> > actually they don't.
> >
> > google gives away android (and licenses it to some manufacturers).
> > apple doesn't give away ios
> >
> > google makes the majority of its revenue from advertising.
> > apple makes the majority of its revenue from iphone sales.
> >
> > google does sell nexus phones, but they're not big sellers and heavily
> > subsidized and sold at or below cost. google makes money from
> > advertising revenue from those who buy the nexus phones.
> >
> > apple's competitor in the mobile space is samsung.
> 
> Yep. The idea that Google is Apple's "main competitor" is laughable.

I never said that Google is Apple's main competitor; all I said is that
they compete in the mobile OS arena.

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#27641

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2015-02-03 17:05 +0000
Message-ID	<cjcddsFbtg7U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#27640

On 2015-02-03, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <cjc6fbFags1U1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2015-02-03, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> > In article <020220152024274000%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
>> ><michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> > But Google is *not* Apple's main competitor. In fact, there are very few
>> >> > areas in which Apple and Google compete. Let's see.. free email services
>> >> > (free from both) and free contact/calendar/etc syncing (free from both).
>> >> > 
>> >> > Where do they compete?
>> >> 
>> >> In the mobile OS arena.
>> >
>> > actually they don't.
>> >
>> > google gives away android (and licenses it to some manufacturers).
>> > apple doesn't give away ios
>> >
>> > google makes the majority of its revenue from advertising.
>> > apple makes the majority of its revenue from iphone sales.
>> >
>> > google does sell nexus phones, but they're not big sellers and heavily
>> > subsidized and sold at or below cost. google makes money from
>> > advertising revenue from those who buy the nexus phones.
>> >
>> > apple's competitor in the mobile space is samsung.
>> 
>> Yep. The idea that Google is Apple's "main competitor" is laughable.
>
> I never said that Google is Apple's main competitor

Apparently you haven't been following this conversation and stepped in
without realizing the context. I wasn't referring to anything you said.

-- 
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

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#27643

From	Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date	2015-02-03 10:58 -0700
Message-ID	<030220151058554894%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to	#27641

In article <cjcddsFbtg7U1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2015-02-03, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> > In article <cjc6fbFags1U1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
> ><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2015-02-03, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> >> > In article <020220152024274000%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
> >> ><michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> > But Google is *not* Apple's main competitor. In fact, there are very
> >> >> > few
> >> >> > areas in which Apple and Google compete. Let's see.. free email
> >> >> > services
> >> >> > (free from both) and free contact/calendar/etc syncing (free from
> >> >> > both).
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > Where do they compete?
> >> >> 
> >> >> In the mobile OS arena.
> >> >
> >> > actually they don't.
> >> >
> >> > google gives away android (and licenses it to some manufacturers).
> >> > apple doesn't give away ios
> >> >
> >> > google makes the majority of its revenue from advertising.
> >> > apple makes the majority of its revenue from iphone sales.
> >> >
> >> > google does sell nexus phones, but they're not big sellers and heavily
> >> > subsidized and sold at or below cost. google makes money from
> >> > advertising revenue from those who buy the nexus phones.
> >> >
> >> > apple's competitor in the mobile space is samsung.
> >> 
> >> Yep. The idea that Google is Apple's "main competitor" is laughable.
> >
> > I never said that Google is Apple's main competitor
> 
> Apparently you haven't been following this conversation and stepped in
> without realizing the context. I wasn't referring to anything you said.

Well, the quotes don't show who said it; I was merely clarifying that
it wasn't me.

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#27647

From	"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Date	2015-02-04 06:25 +1100
Message-ID	<cjclmbFenveU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#27635


"Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in message 
news:cjc6fbFags1U1@mid.individual.net...
> On 2015-02-03, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <020220152024274000%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
>><michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>>
>>> > But Google is *not* Apple's main competitor. In fact, there are very 
>>> > few
>>> > areas in which Apple and Google compete. Let's see.. free email 
>>> > services
>>> > (free from both) and free contact/calendar/etc syncing (free from 
>>> > both).
>>> >
>>> > Where do they compete?
>>>
>>> In the mobile OS arena.
>>
>> actually they don't.
>>
>> google gives away android (and licenses it to some manufacturers).
>> apple doesn't give away ios
>>
>> google makes the majority of its revenue from advertising.
>> apple makes the majority of its revenue from iphone sales.
>>
>> google does sell nexus phones, but they're not big sellers and heavily
>> subsidized and sold at or below cost. google makes money from
>> advertising revenue from those who buy the nexus phones.
>>
>> apple's competitor in the mobile space is samsung.

> Yep.

Nope.

> The idea that Google is Apple's "main competitor"

No one ever said that.

> is laughable.

Having fun thrashing that straw man ?

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#27648

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2015-02-03 19:30 +0000
Message-ID	<cjclvdFbtg7U6@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#27647

On 2015-02-03, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in message 
> news:cjc6fbFags1U1@mid.individual.net...
>
>> The idea that Google is Apple's "main competitor"
>
> No one ever said that.

Liar:

On 2015-02-02, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> But google is apple's main competitor so its more complicated than
> that. 

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#27639

From	Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date	2015-02-03 09:58 -0700
Message-ID	<030220150958367701%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to	#27634

In article <030220150932518483%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
<nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> > > But Google is *not* Apple's main competitor. In fact, there are very few
> > > areas in which Apple and Google compete. Let's see.. free email services
> > > (free from both) and free contact/calendar/etc syncing (free from both).
> > > 
> > > Where do they compete?
> > 
> > In the mobile OS arena.
> 
> actually they don't.
> 
> google gives away android (and licenses it to some manufacturers).
> apple doesn't give away ios
> 
> google makes the majority of its revenue from advertising.
> apple makes the majority of its revenue from iphone sales.

Android is one of Google's ways to increase its advertising revenues. 
Therefore, it is in competition with iOS.

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#27649

From	"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Date	2015-02-04 06:31 +1100
Message-ID	<cjcm25Fes02U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#27639


"Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message 
news:030220150958367701%michelle@michelle.org...
> In article <030220150932518483%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
> <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>> > > But Google is *not* Apple's main competitor. In fact, there are very 
>> > > few
>> > > areas in which Apple and Google compete. Let's see.. free email 
>> > > services
>> > > (free from both) and free contact/calendar/etc syncing (free from 
>> > > both).
>> > >
>> > > Where do they compete?
>> >
>> > In the mobile OS arena.
>>
>> actually they don't.
>>
>> google gives away android (and licenses it to some manufacturers).
>> apple doesn't give away ios
>>
>> google makes the majority of its revenue from advertising.
>> apple makes the majority of its revenue from iphone sales.
>
> Android is one of Google's ways to increase its advertising revenues.

Android isnt just about increasing advertising revenues, its
just another area that google has choose to get involved in.

So is Glass.

> Therefore, it is in competition with iOS.

There is no therefore involved.

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