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Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement

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  Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-24 09:32 +0000
    Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 05:44 -0400
      Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 11:23 -0700
        Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 16:36 -0400
          Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 14:34 -0700
            Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 18:16 -0400
              Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-24 22:24 +0000
                Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 15:36 -0700
                Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 18:47 -0400
                  Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 15:53 -0700
                    Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-08-25 05:42 +0000
                      Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-26 18:18 -0400
                        Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-29 16:21 -0400
                  Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-24 23:37 +0000
                    Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-08-27 01:36 +0000
                      Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-27 04:56 +0000
                        Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-27 09:43 -0400
                        Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-08-28 17:57 +0000
                          Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-02 07:10 +0000
                            Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-09-02 19:46 +0000
                            Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-09-02 20:12 -0700
                Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-08-25 05:32 +0000
                  Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-25 05:34 +0000
                    Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-26 09:06 -0400
                      Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-27 00:35 +0000
                        Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-27 08:58 -0400
              Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 15:54 -0700
            Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2025-09-05 15:21 -0400
          Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-08-24 22:18 +0000
            Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 18:33 -0400
              Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 15:45 -0700
                Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 19:06 -0400
                  Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 16:18 -0700
                    Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 19:39 -0400
                      Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 18:16 -0700
                      Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 18:22 -0700
                        Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 21:38 -0400
                          Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 19:41 -0700
        Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-08-25 04:11 +0000
          Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 22:12 -0700
            Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-08-27 03:13 +0000
              Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-08-26 20:24 -0700
                Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-08-27 04:09 +0000
                  Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-27 04:58 +0000
                    Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-08-27 05:44 +0000
                    Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-27 09:39 -0400
                      Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-08-27 14:17 +0000
                        Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-28 04:12 +0000
                          Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-28 10:53 -0400
                            Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-28 12:12 -0400
                              Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> - 2025-08-28 09:40 -0700
                              Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-28 14:31 -0400
                                Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-28 19:23 -0400
                                  Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-28 21:12 -0400
                                    Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-29 10:16 -0400
                                      Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-30 12:12 -0400
                                    Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-30 08:29 -0400
                                      Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-30 12:11 -0400
                                        Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-30 12:35 -0400
                                          Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-31 00:08 -0400
                                            Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-31 07:14 -0400
                              Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-29 00:53 +0000
                                Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-29 08:43 -0400
                                  Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-01 02:57 +0000
                                    Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-01 08:53 -0400
                                      Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-02 03:57 +0000
                            Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-28 19:19 -0400
                              Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-28 21:12 -0400
                                Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-29 08:44 -0400
                                  Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-29 10:36 -0400
                                    Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-30 08:35 -0400
                                Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-29 10:21 -0400
                                  Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-29 16:27 -0400
                                    Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-29 16:55 -0400
                                      Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-30 12:13 -0400
                              Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-28 21:45 -0400
                                Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-29 10:26 -0400
                                  Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement (was: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement) Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-08-30 04:41 +0000
                                    Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement (was: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement) chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-08-30 10:36 -0500
                                      Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-30 12:06 -0400
                                    Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-30 13:30 -0400
                                      Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-30 13:35 -0400
                                        Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-30 13:54 -0400
                                        Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-30 14:39 -0400
                                      Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-08-31 00:22 +0000
                                        Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-30 20:53 -0400
                                        Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-31 14:37 -0400
                                          Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-08-31 19:37 +0000
                                            Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-31 16:21 -0400
                                            Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-01 08:29 -0400
                                              Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-09-01 11:48 -0400
                                                Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-01 13:23 -0400
                                                  Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-09-01 19:47 -0400
                                                    Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-02 17:05 -0400
                                                      Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-03 04:17 +0000
                                                        Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-03 11:01 -0400
                                                      Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-09-03 19:10 -0400
                                                        Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-03 19:32 -0400
                                          Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-31 22:13 -0400
                                            Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-01 08:34 -0400
                                              Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-09-01 13:23 -0400
                                                Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-02 07:04 +0000
                                                Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-02 16:56 -0400
                                                  Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-09-03 09:50 -0400
                                                    Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-03 11:06 -0400
                                                      Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-09-03 12:20 -0400
                                                        Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-03 17:33 -0400
                                                          Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-09-04 09:15 -0400
                                                            Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-04 15:45 -0400
                                                              Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-09-04 18:46 -0400
                                                            Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-09-05 07:18 -0500
                                                Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-09-03 00:55 +0000
                                                  Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-09-03 01:14 +0000
                                                  Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-09-03 09:57 -0400
                                                    Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-09-03 21:52 +0000
                                                      Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-09-04 09:36 -0400
                                                        Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-09-04 18:15 +0000
                                                    Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-04 07:30 +0000
                                                      Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-09-04 08:31 +0000
                                                      Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-09-04 09:42 -0400
                                                    Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-09-04 09:31 -0700
                                            Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-09-01 11:43 -0400
                                              Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-09-02 20:14 -0700
                                                Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-09-03 19:15 -0400
                                                  Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-09-03 16:23 -0700
                                                    Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-09-03 21:00 -0400
                                                      Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-09-03 19:17 -0700
                                                        Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-09-04 09:55 -0400
                                                          Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-09-04 09:09 -0700
                                                            Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-09-04 19:36 -0400
                                                              Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-09-04 16:45 -0700
                                                                Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-04 19:57 -0400
                                                                  Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-09-04 17:13 -0700
                                                                    Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-04 21:30 -0400
                                                                      Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-09-04 21:53 -0400
                                                                        Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-09-04 19:12 -0700
                                                                          Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-09-04 22:24 -0400
                                                                            Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-09-04 20:32 -0700
                                                                              Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-09-04 23:54 -0400
                                                                          Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-09-04 23:22 -0400
                                                                      Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-09-04 19:11 -0700
                                                                        Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-05 09:28 -0400
                                                                  Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-09-05 16:41 -0500
                                                                    Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-09-05 17:50 -0400
                                                                      Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-09-05 14:57 -0700
                                                                        Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-09-05 18:09 -0400
                                                                          Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-09-05 15:12 -0700
                                                                            Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-09-05 18:33 -0400
                                                                              Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-09-05 15:54 -0700
                                                                                Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-09-05 19:13 -0400
                                                                                  Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-09-05 16:15 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-09-05 19:39 -0400
                                                                                      Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-09-05 16:58 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-09-05 20:02 -0400
                                                                                          Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-09-06 00:51 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-09-05 18:01 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-09-05 21:55 -0400
                                                                                              Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-09-05 19:02 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-09-06 12:43 -0400
                                                                                                Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2025-09-06 15:44 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-09-06 13:32 -0700
                                                                Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-09-04 20:09 -0400
                                                          Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-04 15:52 -0400
                                                            Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-09-04 13:14 -0700
                                                        Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-04 10:35 -0400
                                                          Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-09-04 09:16 -0700
                                                            Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-04 12:42 -0400
                                                              Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-09-04 10:11 -0700
                                                                Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-04 14:41 -0400
                                            Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-09-01 20:29 +0000
                                              Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-09-01 19:53 -0400
                                                Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-09-02 00:34 +0000
                                                  Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-09-02 12:12 -0400
                                  Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-30 08:35 -0400
                  Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-27 09:37 -0400
              Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-27 09:36 -0400
    Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-24 09:45 -0400
      Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 13:59 -0400
        Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 11:24 -0700
          Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 16:39 -0400
            Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-24 16:55 -0400
              Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 17:05 -0400
                Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-24 20:26 -0400
                  Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-08-25 01:41 +0100
                    Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 20:57 -0400
                    Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-08-25 14:47 -0500
                      Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-25 18:42 -0400
                  Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 20:52 -0400
                    Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-08-25 02:00 +0100
                      Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 21:29 -0400
              Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-25 01:22 +0000
                Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-25 09:04 -0400
                  Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-26 00:42 +0000
                    Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-27 09:58 -0400
                Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-25 13:13 -0400
                  Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-26 00:45 +0000
                    Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-25 21:24 -0400
                    Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-26 09:36 -0400
                      Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-27 00:37 +0000
                        Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-27 09:48 -0400
            Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 14:30 -0700
              Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 18:07 -0400
                Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 15:13 -0700
      Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-08-25 03:53 +0000
        Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-25 14:52 -0400
    Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 09:47 -0700
      Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the WAY Better Windows Replacement Nick Charles <blankety_blank@blank> - 2025-08-24 13:35 -0400
        Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the WAY Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-24 21:56 +0000
          Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the WAY Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 15:12 -0700
            Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the WAY Better Windows Replacement vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-08-25 04:26 +0000
              Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the WAY Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-25 04:32 +0000
      Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 14:01 -0400
        Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 11:17 -0700
          Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 14:26 -0400
            Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 11:38 -0700
              Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 16:42 -0400
                Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 14:31 -0700
                  Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 18:12 -0400
                    Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 15:27 -0700
                      Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 18:53 -0400
                        Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 15:57 -0700
                          Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 19:17 -0400
                            Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 16:21 -0700
                            Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-24 23:40 +0000
                              Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 18:18 -0700
                          Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-25 08:56 -0400
                            Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-25 06:58 -0700
                              Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-25 12:45 -0400
                                Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-26 18:27 -0400
                                  Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-26 19:34 -0400
                                    Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-26 21:17 -0400
                                      Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-27 08:59 -0400
                                        Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-27 09:29 -0400
                                          Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-27 14:51 -0400
                                            Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-27 15:41 -0400
                                              Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-27 19:18 -0400
                                                Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-30 12:16 -0400
                                                  Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-30 12:37 -0400
                                                    Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-30 22:03 -0400
                                                      Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-31 07:10 -0400
                                                        Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-31 22:14 -0400
                                                          Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-01 08:35 -0400
                    Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-08-25 04:36 +0000
                      Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 21:51 -0700
                        Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-08-25 06:19 +0000
                      Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-25 02:39 -0400
                        Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-26 18:40 -0400
                          Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-26 18:52 -0400
                            Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-26 21:29 -0400
                              Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-26 21:37 -0400
                                Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-27 09:28 -0400
                                  Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-27 10:02 -0400
                                    Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-27 10:31 -0400
                                      Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-27 10:44 -0400
                                        Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-29 10:25 -0400
                                          Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-29 10:55 -0400
                                            Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-29 12:52 -0400
                                              Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-30 08:23 +0000
                                                Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-30 14:16 -0400
                                                  Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-30 14:43 -0400
                                                    Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-30 22:03 -0400
                                                      Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-31 15:54 -0400
                                                        Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-31 22:16 -0400
                                                          Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-09-01 11:37 -0400
                                                            Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-01 13:20 -0400
                                                  Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-30 22:51 +0000
                                                    Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-30 19:16 -0400
                                            Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-30 08:41 -0400
                                      Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-08-27 14:52 +0000
                                        Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-28 04:13 +0000
                            Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-29 16:22 -0400
                              Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-29 19:17 -0400
                                Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-29 19:46 -0400
                                Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-30 08:44 -0400
                          Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-26 19:37 -0400
                            Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-26 21:30 -0400
                              Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-27 09:03 -0400
                                Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-27 09:27 -0400
                                  Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-27 14:50 -0400
                      Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-25 18:37 -0400
                        Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-26 00:40 +0000
                          Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-26 09:02 -0400
                            Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-27 00:30 +0000
                Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-24 22:26 +0000
                Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-08-24 23:49 +0100
                  Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 15:57 -0700
                    Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-08-25 00:25 +0100
                  Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 19:13 -0400
                    Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 16:20 -0700
                    Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-08-25 00:34 +0100
                    Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-24 23:42 +0000
                      Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 18:20 -0700
                  Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-24 23:44 +0000
                    Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-08-25 01:15 +0100
                      Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-25 01:20 +0000
                        Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 18:24 -0700
                        Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-08-25 02:26 +0100
                    Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 18:20 -0700
      Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-25 08:49 -0400
        Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-25 06:59 -0700
          Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-25 12:55 -0400
            Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-26 00:46 +0000
            Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-26 18:42 -0400
              Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-26 19:38 -0400
                Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-27 10:32 -0400
        Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-08-25 13:58 -0500
          Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-26 18:44 -0400
            Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-08-28 07:07 -0500
    Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement joakim@sklaffkom.se (Joakim Melin) - 2025-08-25 20:14 +0200
    Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-04 00:37 +0000
      Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-03 20:48 -0400
    Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-05 01:53 +0000
      Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-05 09:23 -0400
    Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2025-09-05 15:33 -0400
      Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-09-05 20:06 +0000
        Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-09-05 20:59 +0000
          Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-09-05 17:06 -0400
            Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-09-05 21:17 +0000
            Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-05 18:13 -0400
              Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-09-05 18:36 -0400
          Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-09-06 13:02 +0000
      Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-05 18:02 -0400
      Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-05 23:17 +0000

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#136703

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2025-08-24 14:30 -0700
Message-ID<108g09t$3215v$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#136698
On 2025-08-24 13:39, Joel W. Crump wrote:
> On 8/24/2025 2:24 PM, Alan wrote:
> 
>>> [For a] preassembled system, Apple's are not the best value, unless 
>>> you just *have* to have macOS.
>>
>> You cannot separate the value of the hardware from the value of the 
>> software it runs.
> 
> 
> So you want macOS, I get it, that's fine, you do you.  But you're paying 
> through the *nose*, for the so-called privilege.
> 

I notice you can't refute the point I made.

The value is in the WHOLE SYSTEM.

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#136708

From"Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2025-08-24 18:07 -0400
Message-ID<_2MqQ.177159$LeZ.113289@fx11.iad>
In reply to#136703
On 8/24/2025 5:30 PM, Alan wrote:

>>>> [For a] preassembled system, Apple's are not the best value, unless 
>>>> you just *have* to have macOS.
>>>
>>> You cannot separate the value of the hardware from the value of the 
>>> software it runs.
>>
>> So you want macOS, I get it, that's fine, you do you.  But you're 
>> paying through the *nose*, for the so-called privilege.
> 
> I notice you can't refute the point I made.
> 
> The value is in the WHOLE SYSTEM.


I'm getting that with Windows 11 on a mini PC from China, though.  Is it 
as fast as a new Mac, no, but it's surprisingly usable.  I'm watching a 
video from Amazon Prime on my TV with the sound in my headphones, just 
like I had with my big desktop I destroyed.  Who needs Apple.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

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#136711

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2025-08-24 15:13 -0700
Message-ID<108g2pv$3215v$8@dont-email.me>
In reply to#136708
On 2025-08-24 15:07, Joel W. Crump wrote:
> On 8/24/2025 5:30 PM, Alan wrote:
> 
>>>>> [For a] preassembled system, Apple's are not the best value,
>>>>> unless you just *have* to have macOS.
>>>> 
>>>> You cannot separate the value of the hardware from the value
>>>> of the software it runs.
>>> 
>>> So you want macOS, I get it, that's fine, you do you.  But
>>> you're paying through the *nose*, for the so-called privilege.
>> 
>> I notice you can't refute the point I made.
>> 
>> The value is in the WHOLE SYSTEM.
> 
> 
> I'm getting that with Windows 11 on a mini PC from China, though.

Bully for you.

> Is it as fast as a new Mac, no, but it's surprisingly usable.  I'm
> watching a video from Amazon Prime on my TV with the sound in my
> headphones, just like I had with my big desktop I destroyed.  Who
> needs Apple.
Not you...

...but then you won't actual reveal what you found wrong with it.

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#136766

Fromvallor <vallor@cultnix.org>
Date2025-08-25 03:53 +0000
Message-ID<mh251aF7hvsU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#136686
On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 09:45:48 -0400, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
wrote in <108f52c$2r00q$2@dont-email.me>:

> On 8/24/25 05:32, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 04:52:22 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote:
>> 
>>> But no, buying a fucking Mac is not the answer.  It's too expensive.
>> 
>> And lacking in expandability and versatility...
> 
> Although when one reads of anti-Apple folks who replace their GPU card
> multiple times and then have to replace their fried motherboard from
> their DIY'ing...
> 
> ...there's certainly a whole bunch of folk who would benefit from an
> "appliance" that reduces the odds of them fat-fingering breaking it.
> 
> 
> -hh

There's also this matter of "expandable", which Macs _do_ have,
with the advent of "external pcie", aka "thunderbolt".

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#136797

From-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
Date2025-08-25 14:52 -0400
Message-ID<108ibdm$3hueh$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#136766
On 8/24/25 23:53, vallor wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 09:45:48 -0400, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
> wrote in <108f52c$2r00q$2@dont-email.me>:
> 
>> On 8/24/25 05:32, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 04:52:22 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote:
>>>
>>>> But no, buying a fucking Mac is not the answer.  It's too expensive.
>>>
>>> And lacking in expandability and versatility...
>>
>> Although when one reads of anti-Apple folks who replace their GPU card
>> multiple times and then have to replace their fried motherboard from
>> their DIY'ing...
>>
>> ...there's certainly a whole bunch of folk who would benefit from an
>> "appliance" that reduces the odds of them fat-fingering breaking it.
>>
>>
>> -hh
> 
> There's also this matter of "expandable", which Macs _do_ have,
> with the advent of "external pcie", aka "thunderbolt".

True enough, although with the improvements that USB-C has been getting 
deployed on the WinTel PC side too, the hardware market is effectively 
equalizing, especially if one looks to "good enough" metrics.

The real point here is that one doesn't need to be a brave little geek 
to open up a PC's guts to perform upgrades on/near the motherboard like 
we did 30 years ago (when CPU speeds were measured in MHz) to extend a 
PC's useful life to more than 18 months.  The DIY homebuild niche is 
thus becoming increasingly less relevant to the general use case.


-hh

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#136687

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2025-08-24 09:47 -0700
Message-ID<108ffnt$2tji3$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#136684
On 2025-08-24 02:32, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 04:52:22 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote:
> 
>> But no, buying a fucking Mac is not the answer.  It's too expensive.
> 
> And lacking in expandability and versatility. All Apple’s machines are
> basically just glorified laptops now.
> 
> And the OS may have licensed the “Unix” trademark, but it doesn’t work the
> way people expect traditional “Unix” systems to work.
> 
> Ask one of the original Bell Labs crew, Ken “Mr Unix” Thompson: he has
> given up on Apple and switched to Linux.

Sorry, Linux fans:

Pretty much everyone disagrees with you.

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#136688 — Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the WAY Better Windows Replacement

FromNick Charles <blankety_blank@blank>
Date2025-08-24 13:35 -0400
SubjectRe: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the WAY Better Windows Replacement
Message-ID<gWmdnUjWX57C0Db1nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@supernews.com>
In reply to#136687
On 8/24/2025 12:47 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2025-08-24 02:32, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 04:52:22 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote:
>>
>>> But no, buying a fucking Mac is not the answer.  It's too expensive.
>>
>> And lacking in expandability and versatility. All Apple’s machines are
>> basically just glorified laptops now.
>>
>> And the OS may have licensed the “Unix” trademark, but it doesn’t work 
>> the
>> way people expect traditional “Unix” systems to work.
>>
>> Ask one of the original Bell Labs crew, Ken “Mr Unix” Thompson: he has
>> given up on Apple and switched to Linux.
> 
> Sorry, Linux fans:
> 
> Pretty much everyone disagrees with you.

Very true.

As for Ken Thompson, he is now 82 years old and works for Google.  That 
tells you all you need to know about his state of mind.

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#136707 — Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the WAY Better Windows Replacement

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2025-08-24 21:56 +0000
SubjectRe: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the WAY Better Windows Replacement
Message-ID<108g1qu$32gqg$6@dont-email.me>
In reply to#136688
On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 13:35:38 -0400, Nick Charles wrote:

> As for Ken Thompson, he is now 82 years old and works for Google.  That
> tells you all you need to know about his state of mind.

Resorting to ad-hominem attacks to try to discredit a well-regarded 
authority with a long-standing reputation is ... a sign of desperation, 
let’s face it.

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#136709 — Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the WAY Better Windows Replacement

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2025-08-24 15:12 -0700
SubjectRe: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the WAY Better Windows Replacement
Message-ID<108g2nq$3215v$7@dont-email.me>
In reply to#136707
On 2025-08-24 14:56, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 13:35:38 -0400, Nick Charles wrote:
> 
>> As for Ken Thompson, he is now 82 years old and works for Google.  That
>> tells you all you need to know about his state of mind.
> 
> Resorting to ad-hominem attacks to try to discredit a well-regarded
> authority with a long-standing reputation is ... a sign of desperation,
> let’s face it.

While I disagree with the nature of the attack, the previous poster just 
used a different logical fallacy:

Appeal to authority.

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#136768 — Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the WAY Better Windows Replacement

Fromvallor <vallor@cultnix.org>
Date2025-08-25 04:26 +0000
SubjectRe: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the WAY Better Windows Replacement
Message-ID<mh26vjF7hvsU6@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#136709
On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 15:12:10 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in
<108g2nq$3215v$7@dont-email.me>:

> On 2025-08-24 14:56, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 13:35:38 -0400, Nick Charles wrote:
>> 
>>> As for Ken Thompson, he is now 82 years old and works for Google. 
>>> That tells you all you need to know about his state of mind.
>> 
>> Resorting to ad-hominem attacks to try to discredit a well-regarded
>> authority with a long-standing reputation is ... a sign of desperation,
>> let’s face it.
> 
> While I disagree with the nature of the attack, the previous poster just
> used a different logical fallacy:
> 
> Appeal to authority.

That isn't relevant.

 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
Argumentum ad verecundiam (Appeal to authority)

The Appeal to Authority uses admiration of a famous person to 
try and win support for an assertion. For example:

“Isaac Newton was a genius and he believed in God.”

This line of argument isn’t always completely bogus when used 
in an inductive argument; for example, it may be relevant to 
refer to a widely-regarded authority in a particular field, if 
you’re discussing that subject. For example, we can 
distinguish quite clearly between:

“Hawking has concluded that black holes give off radiation”

and

“Penrose has concluded that it is impossible to build an 
intelligent computer”

Hawking is a physicist, and so we can reasonably expect his 
opinions on black hole radiation to be informed. Penrose is a 
mathematician, so it is questionable whether he is 
well-qualified to speak on the subject of machine intelligence.

https://infidels.org/library/modern/constructing-a-logical-argument/#authority
 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

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#136769 — Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the WAY Better Windows Replacement

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2025-08-25 04:32 +0000
SubjectRe: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the WAY Better Windows Replacement
Message-ID<108gp0i$37cai$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#136768
The difference is, Ken Thompson was one of the key figures -- perhaps 
*the* key figure -- who created Unix in the first place.

Unix isn’t some mathematical or physical theory from science. It’s an 
artificial construct, put together by humans. He was one of those who put 
the construct together in the first place. He knew why he did things. He 
can see when others fail to appreciate why it is the way it is.

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#136690

From"Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2025-08-24 14:01 -0400
Message-ID<lsIqQ.339293$l%O3.103002@fx18.iad>
In reply to#136687
On 8/24/2025 12:47 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2025-08-24 02:32, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 04:52:22 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote:
>>
>>> But no, buying a fucking Mac is not the answer.  It's too expensive.
>>
>> And lacking in expandability and versatility. All Apple’s machines are
>> basically just glorified laptops now.
>>
>> And the OS may have licensed the “Unix” trademark, but it doesn’t work 
>> the
>> way people expect traditional “Unix” systems to work.
>>
>> Ask one of the original Bell Labs crew, Ken “Mr Unix” Thompson: he has
>> given up on Apple and switched to Linux.
> 
> Sorry, Linux fans:
> 
> Pretty much everyone disagrees with you.


But they are Windows users, more often than not, so ...

-- 
Joel W. Crump

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#136691

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2025-08-24 11:17 -0700
Message-ID<108fl0l$2vcpq$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#136690
On 2025-08-24 11:01, Joel W. Crump wrote:
> On 8/24/2025 12:47 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2025-08-24 02:32, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 04:52:22 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote:
>>>
>>>> But no, buying a fucking Mac is not the answer.  It's too expensive.
>>>
>>> And lacking in expandability and versatility. All Apple’s machines are
>>> basically just glorified laptops now.
>>>
>>> And the OS may have licensed the “Unix” trademark, but it doesn’t 
>>> work the
>>> way people expect traditional “Unix” systems to work.
>>>
>>> Ask one of the original Bell Labs crew, Ken “Mr Unix” Thompson: he has
>>> given up on Apple and switched to Linux.
>>
>> Sorry, Linux fans:
>>
>> Pretty much everyone disagrees with you.
> 
> 
> But they are Windows users, more often than not, so ...
> 

Pretty much all the people who leave Windows...

...get Macs.

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#136694

From"Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2025-08-24 14:26 -0400
Message-ID<PPIqQ.175971$LeZ.62097@fx11.iad>
In reply to#136691
On 8/24/2025 2:17 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2025-08-24 11:01, Joel W. Crump wrote:
>> On 8/24/2025 12:47 PM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2025-08-24 02:32, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 04:52:22 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> But no, buying a fucking Mac is not the answer.  It's too expensive.
>>>>
>>>> And lacking in expandability and versatility. All Apple’s machines are
>>>> basically just glorified laptops now.
>>>>
>>>> And the OS may have licensed the “Unix” trademark, but it doesn’t 
>>>> work the
>>>> way people expect traditional “Unix” systems to work.
>>>>
>>>> Ask one of the original Bell Labs crew, Ken “Mr Unix” Thompson: he has
>>>> given up on Apple and switched to Linux.
>>>
>>> Sorry, Linux fans:
>>>
>>> Pretty much everyone disagrees with you.
>>
>> But they are Windows users, more often than not, so ...
> 
> Pretty much all the people who leave Windows...
> 
> ...get Macs.


The Mac I bought to try out ended up getting completely wiped and 
Windows 7 put on it, though I did try using Boot Camp, but was 
unsatisfied with that setup.  I actually liked Snow Leopard when I first 
got it, tried numerous Apple-native apps, tried out its Unix components, 
thought it was cool, but it wore off.  I'm just not wired for Apple.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

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#136695

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2025-08-24 11:38 -0700
Message-ID<108fm6s$2vl8f$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#136694
On 2025-08-24 11:26, Joel W. Crump wrote:
> On 8/24/2025 2:17 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2025-08-24 11:01, Joel W. Crump wrote:
>>> On 8/24/2025 12:47 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2025-08-24 02:32, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 04:52:22 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> But no, buying a fucking Mac is not the answer.  It's too expensive.
>>>>>
>>>>> And lacking in expandability and versatility. All Apple’s machines are
>>>>> basically just glorified laptops now.
>>>>>
>>>>> And the OS may have licensed the “Unix” trademark, but it doesn’t 
>>>>> work the
>>>>> way people expect traditional “Unix” systems to work.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ask one of the original Bell Labs crew, Ken “Mr Unix” Thompson: he has
>>>>> given up on Apple and switched to Linux.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, Linux fans:
>>>>
>>>> Pretty much everyone disagrees with you.
>>>
>>> But they are Windows users, more often than not, so ...
>>
>> Pretty much all the people who leave Windows...
>>
>> ...get Macs.
> 
> 
> The Mac I bought to try out ended up getting completely wiped and 
> Windows 7 put on it, though I did try using Boot Camp, but was 
> unsatisfied with that setup.  I actually liked Snow Leopard when I first 
> got it, tried numerous Apple-native apps, tried out its Unix components, 
> thought it was cool, but it wore off.  I'm just not wired for Apple.
In what way?

More specifically, if you're "not wired for Apple", because you replaced 
it with Windows, what makes you more "wired" for that?

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#136699

From"Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2025-08-24 16:42 -0400
Message-ID<EOKqQ.192001$%RW3.10797@fx14.iad>
In reply to#136695
On 8/24/2025 2:38 PM, Alan wrote:

>> The Mac I bought to try out ended up getting completely wiped and 
>> Windows 7 put on it, though I did try using Boot Camp, but was 
>> unsatisfied with that setup.  I actually liked Snow Leopard when I 
>> first got it, tried numerous Apple-native apps, tried out its Unix 
>> components, thought it was cool, but it wore off.  I'm just not wired 
>> for Apple.

> In what way?
> 
> More specifically, if you're "not wired for Apple", because you replaced 
> it with Windows, what makes you more "wired" for that?


Windows is just WYSIWYG, Mac is quirky.  Linux requires comprehension, 
which I have, but I'm not disliking using Windows again, for now.  I 
haven't made my decision about replacing it with Linux on this mini PC.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

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#136704

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2025-08-24 14:31 -0700
Message-ID<108g0bo$3215v$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#136699
On 2025-08-24 13:42, Joel W. Crump wrote:
> On 8/24/2025 2:38 PM, Alan wrote:
> 
>>> The Mac I bought to try out ended up getting completely wiped and 
>>> Windows 7 put on it, though I did try using Boot Camp, but was 
>>> unsatisfied with that setup.  I actually liked Snow Leopard when I 
>>> first got it, tried numerous Apple-native apps, tried out its Unix 
>>> components, thought it was cool, but it wore off.  I'm just not wired 
>>> for Apple.
> 
>> In what way?
>>
>> More specifically, if you're "not wired for Apple", because you 
>> replaced it with Windows, what makes you more "wired" for that?
> 
> 
> Windows is just WYSIWYG, Mac is quirky.  Linux requires comprehension, 
> which I have, but I'm not disliking using Windows again, for now.  I 
> haven't made my decision about replacing it with Linux on this mini PC.
> 

Unresponsive.

In what way is Windows any more WYSIWYG than macOS?

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#136710

From"Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2025-08-24 18:12 -0400
Message-ID<F7MqQ.193548$%RW3.158951@fx14.iad>
In reply to#136704
On 8/24/2025 5:31 PM, Alan wrote:

>>> More specifically, if you're "not wired for Apple", because you 
>>> replaced it with Windows, what makes you more "wired" for that?
>>
>> Windows is just WYSIWYG, Mac is quirky.  Linux requires comprehension, 
>> which I have, but I'm not disliking using Windows again, for now.  I 
>> haven't made my decision about replacing it with Linux on this mini PC.
> 
> Unresponsive.
> 
> In what way is Windows any more WYSIWYG than macOS?


I could be out of date, I guess, having used macOS during Snow Leopard, 
but then again it hasn't really changed fundamentally, it's 
counterintuitive to me.  They are on a lower intellectual level than 
Microsoft, and definitely the GNU/Linux realm.  People who click with 
macOS are willing to pay for the privilege, but damn it's pricey, the 
hardware options not competitive with Windows devices.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

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#136716

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2025-08-24 15:27 -0700
Message-ID<108g3k6$3215t$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#136710
On 2025-08-24 15:12, Joel W. Crump wrote:
> On 8/24/2025 5:31 PM, Alan wrote:
> 
>>>> More specifically, if you're "not wired for Apple", because you 
>>>> replaced it with Windows, what makes you more "wired" for that?
>>>
>>> Windows is just WYSIWYG, Mac is quirky.  Linux requires 
>>> comprehension, which I have, but I'm not disliking using Windows 
>>> again, for now.  I haven't made my decision about replacing it with 
>>> Linux on this mini PC.
>>
>> Unresponsive.
>>
>> In what way is Windows any more WYSIWYG than macOS?
> 
> 
> I could be out of date, I guess, having used macOS during Snow Leopard, 
> but then again it hasn't really changed fundamentally, it's 
> counterintuitive to me.  They are on a lower intellectual level than 
> Microsoft, and definitely the GNU/Linux realm.  People who click with 
> macOS are willing to pay for the privilege, but damn it's pricey, the 
> hardware options not competitive with Windows devices.

IN WHAT SPECIFIC WAYS?

HOW was it supposedly "counterintuitive"?

See: I can list some ways that Windows as it stands TODAY is downright 
user hostile.

1. Windows 10 created a new application called "Settings"...

...but you still needed to use the Control Panel for some things.

And that is still true (albeit to a lesser degree) of Windows 11.

2. How do you change the scrolling direction of the mouse wheel 
(assuming your mouse has one).

I could go on, but believe me there are others that astound me all the time.

And overall, the fluidity--the look and feel--of the interface is just 
terrible! The pointer doesn't move as smoothly. The rendering of... 
...everything in the UI looks terrible.

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#136722

From"Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2025-08-24 18:53 -0400
Message-ID<KJMqQ.617177$xyt3.422688@fx15.iad>
In reply to#136716
On 8/24/2025 6:27 PM, Alan wrote:

>>>>> More specifically, if you're "not wired for Apple", because you 
>>>>> replaced it with Windows, what makes you more "wired" for that?
>>>>
>>>> Windows is just WYSIWYG, Mac is quirky.  Linux requires 
>>>> comprehension, which I have, but I'm not disliking using Windows 
>>>> again, for now.  I haven't made my decision about replacing it with 
>>>> Linux on this mini PC.
>>>
>>> Unresponsive.
>>>
>>> In what way is Windows any more WYSIWYG than macOS?
>>
>> I could be out of date, I guess, having used macOS during Snow 
>> Leopard, but then again it hasn't really changed fundamentally, it's 
>> counterintuitive to me.  They are on a lower intellectual level than 
>> Microsoft, and definitely the GNU/Linux realm.  People who click with 
>> macOS are willing to pay for the privilege, but damn it's pricey, the 
>> hardware options not competitive with Windows devices.
> 
> IN WHAT SPECIFIC WAYS?
> 
> HOW was it supposedly "counterintuitive"?
> 
> See: I can list some ways that Windows as it stands TODAY is downright 
> user hostile.
> 
> 1. Windows 10 created a new application called "Settings"...
> 
> ...but you still needed to use the Control Panel for some things.
> 
> And that is still true (albeit to a lesser degree) of Windows 11.
> 
> 2. How do you change the scrolling direction of the mouse wheel 
> (assuming your mouse has one).
> 
> I could go on, but believe me there are others that astound me all the 
> time.
> 
> And overall, the fluidity--the look and feel--of the interface is just 
> terrible! The pointer doesn't move as smoothly. The rendering 
> of... ...everything in the UI looks terrible.


I hear you, with the way Windows settings have evolved, not being 
entirely coherent, but File Explorer is light years better than Finder 
as I experienced it under Snow Leopard.  Edge is better than Safari, 
AFAIK.  Apple is just the duller minds of the industry.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

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