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  Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-23 08:15 -0400
    Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2026-10-23 08:34 -0400
    Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 10:37 -0400
      Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-23 11:17 -0400
        Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-23 16:22 -0400
          Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-29 15:14 +1100
        Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-24 15:37 -0400
          Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-24 20:35 -0400
            Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 03:17 -0400
              Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 01:29 -0700
                Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 05:15 -0400
                  Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 02:30 -0700
                Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-29 15:29 +1100
                  Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-28 22:26 -0700
                    Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-29 17:24 +1100
        Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-29 15:07 +1100
    Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-10-23 18:02 +0200
      Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-23 17:03 -0400
        Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs Nick Charles <none@none.none> - 2026-10-23 23:25 +0000
          Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-23 19:51 -0400
        Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-10-24 15:24 +0200
      Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-23 21:13 -0400
        Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs Nick Charles <none@none.none> - 2026-10-24 02:05 +0000
        Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-10-24 15:23 +0200
          Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-24 13:48 -0400
            Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-24 20:30 -0400
          Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-24 20:27 -0400
            Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-24 22:58 -0400
            Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-10-26 20:29 +0100
              Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-26 15:45 -0400
                Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-26 20:05 -0400
                  Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-26 20:14 -0400
                    Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 20:38 -0400
                Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-10-28 15:51 +0100
                  Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-28 15:16 -0400
                    Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2026-10-28 16:53 -0400
                  Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-28 17:05 -0400

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#149755 — Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs

<https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FurWKk0h5hs>

Considering that, why the heck would you bother with a Windows machine?

-- 
CrudeSausage
MacBook Air M4 Sky Blue
iPhone 13
Friendly Apple zealot

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#149756

On 10/23/26 8:15 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
> <https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FurWKk0h5hs>
> 
> Considering that, why the heck would you bother with a Windows machine?
> 
Wow!   Take a Valium!

I'd have listened but he had way too much coffee or something.   Didn't want the YouTube 
video to run that long maybe.

-- 
Mint 22.3,  Thunderbird 153.4.0esr,  Firefox 158.0
     Alan K.

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#149757

On 10/23/2026 8:15 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:

> <https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FurWKk0h5hs>
> 
> Considering that, why the heck would you bother with a Windows machine?


I pretty much buy your argument.  I'm not in the market for laptops 
myself, but if I were ...

-- 
Joel W. Crump

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#149758

On 2026-10-23 10:37 a.m., Joel W. Crump wrote:
> On 10/23/2026 8:15 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
> 
>> <https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FurWKk0h5hs>
>>
>> Considering that, why the heck would you bother with a Windows machine?
> 
> 
> I pretty much buy your argument.  I'm not in the market for laptops 
> myself, but if I were ...
> 

You'd be bored with a Mac. The fact that you suddenly don't need to 
constantly fix your computer's software or hardware means that you can 
actually use it to do something.

-- 
CrudeSausage
MacBook Air M4 Sky Blue
iPhone 13
Friendly Apple zealot

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#149773

On Fri, 10/23/2026 11:17 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
> On 2026-10-23 10:37 a.m., Joel W. Crump wrote:
>> On 10/23/2026 8:15 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FurWKk0h5hs>
>>>
>>> Considering that, why the heck would you bother with a Windows machine?
>>
>> I pretty much buy your argument.  I'm not in the market for laptops myself, but if I were ...
>>
> You'd be bored with a Mac. The fact that you suddenly don't need to constantly 
> fix your computer's software or hardware means that you can actually use it to do something.

As a former Apple user (three Apple computer), attraction is zero.
Been to that rodeo, got off the horse.

Also not in the market for a new computer, as the market now
is all about gouging consumers.

I'm still waiting for the oxygen rentals to start. Surely
someone can corner the oxygen market, and start the rentals.

   Paul

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#149913

On Sat, 24 Oct 2026 07:22:23 +1100, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

> On Fri, 10/23/2026 11:17 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>> On 2026-10-23 10:37 a.m., Joel W. Crump wrote:
>>> On 10/23/2026 8:15 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FurWKk0h5hs>
>>>>
>>>> Considering that, why the heck would you bother with a Windows  
>>>> machine?
>>>
>>> I pretty much buy your argument.  I'm not in the market for laptops  
>>> myself, but if I were ...
>>>
>> You'd be bored with a Mac. The fact that you suddenly don't need to  
>> constantly
>> fix your computer's software or hardware means that you can actually  
>> use it to do something.
>
> As a former Apple user (three Apple computer), attraction is zero.
> Been to that rodeo, got off the horse.

Why did you get off the horse ?

I have been considering adding a Mac, mainly
for the better integration of the iphone which
I do most stuff on apart from usenet, freecell
pro and my massive collection of databases
in access

> Also not in the market for a new computer, as the market now
> is all about gouging consumers.

I wasn't gouged with my win11 laptop which
I basically got because I never watch any TV
live anymore, I stream the channels instead
and all but one stopped working on Win7
and I can't do ad free with SBS australia

> I'm still waiting for the oxygen rentals to start. Surely
> someone can corner the oxygen market, and start the rentals.

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#149785

On 10/23/2026 11:17 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:

>>> <https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FurWKk0h5hs>
>>>
>>> Considering that, why the heck would you bother with a Windows machine?
>>
>> I pretty much buy your argument.  I'm not in the market for laptops 
>> myself, but if I were ...
> 
> You'd be bored with a Mac. The fact that you suddenly don't need to 
> constantly fix your computer's software or hardware means that you can 
> actually use it to do something.


For me, a WinARM laptop might be just as good.  But it's a strong sector 
for Apple, no question about it.  The MBP despite having an OS I don't 
prefer is a masterpiece.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

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#149790

On 2026-10-24 3:37 p.m., Joel W. Crump wrote:
> On 10/23/2026 11:17 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
> 
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FurWKk0h5hs>
>>>>
>>>> Considering that, why the heck would you bother with a Windows machine?
>>>
>>> I pretty much buy your argument.  I'm not in the market for laptops 
>>> myself, but if I were ...
>>
>> You'd be bored with a Mac. The fact that you suddenly don't need to 
>> constantly fix your computer's software or hardware means that you can 
>> actually use it to do something.
> 
> 
> For me, a WinARM laptop might be just as good.  But it's a strong sector 
> for Apple, no question about it.  The MBP despite having an OS I don't 
> prefer is a masterpiece.

Once you get used to MacOS, it's hard to consider going back. I just 
like the fact that the computer always performs at the same rate. With 
every PC I've ever owned, it's fast for a while, slows down, speeds up, 
goes back to being fast, freezes, runs slows, goes fast again, etc.. 
With the Mac, there is only one speed: fast.

-- 
CrudeSausage
MacBook Air M4 Sky Blue
iPhone 13
Friendly Apple zealot

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#149803

On 10/24/2026 8:35 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:

>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FurWKk0h5hs>
>>>>>
>>>>> Considering that, why the heck would you bother with a Windows 
>>>>> machine?
>>>>
>>>> I pretty much buy your argument.  I'm not in the market for laptops 
>>>> myself, but if I were ...
>>>
>>> You'd be bored with a Mac. The fact that you suddenly don't need to 
>>> constantly fix your computer's software or hardware means that you 
>>> can actually use it to do something.
>>
>> For me, a WinARM laptop might be just as good.  But it's a strong 
>> sector for Apple, no question about it.  The MBP despite having an OS 
>> I don't prefer is a masterpiece.
> 
> Once you get used to MacOS, it's hard to consider going back. I just 
> like the fact that the computer always performs at the same rate. With 
> every PC I've ever owned, it's fast for a while, slows down, speeds up, 
> goes back to being fast, freezes, runs slows, goes fast again, etc.. 
> With the Mac, there is only one speed: fast.


I get that.  But Windows software is better, to me.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

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#149804

On Oct 25, 2026 at 12:17 AM, Joel W. Crump wrote in
11bkaeg$3d3da$1@dont-email.me:
> On 10/24/2026 8:35 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
> 
<snip>
>>>>
>>>> You'd be bored with a Mac. The fact that you suddenly don't need to
>>>> constantly fix your computer's software or hardware means that you
>>>> can actually use it to do something.
>>>
>>> For me, a WinARM laptop might be just as good. But it's a strong
>>> sector for Apple, no question about it. The MBP despite having an OS
>>> I don't prefer is a masterpiece.
>>
>> Once you get used to MacOS, it's hard to consider going back. I just
>> like the fact that the computer always performs at the same rate.
>> With every PC I've ever owned, it's fast for a while, slows down,
>> speeds up, goes back to being fast, freezes, runs slows, goes fast
>> again, etc.. With the Mac, there is only one speed: fast.
> 
> 
> I get that. But Windows software is better, to me.

Any specific examples?

-- 
It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.

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#149807

On 10/25/2026 4:29 AM, Brock McNuggets wrote:
> On Oct 25, 2026 at 12:17 AM, Joel W. Crump wrote in
> 11bkaeg$3d3da$1@dont-email.me:
>> On 10/24/2026 8:35 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>
>>> Once you get used to MacOS, it's hard to consider going back. I just
>>> like the fact that the computer always performs at the same rate.
>>> With every PC I've ever owned, it's fast for a while, slows down,
>>> speeds up, goes back to being fast, freezes, runs slows, goes fast
>>> again, etc.. With the Mac, there is only one speed: fast.
>>
>> I get that. But Windows software is better, to me.
> 
> Any specific examples?


It's a general thing, very few macOS-native apps impressed me.  Far and 
away, in fact, MS Office for Mac was the big one that I saw (2010).

-- 
Joel W. Crump

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#149808

On Oct 25, 2026 at 2:15 AM, Joel W. Crump wrote in
11bkhca$3fcf6$1@dont-email.me:
> On 10/25/2026 4:29 AM, Brock McNuggets wrote:
>> On Oct 25, 2026 at 12:17 AM, Joel W. Crump wrote in
>> 11bkaeg$3d3da$1@dont-email.me:
>>> On 10/24/2026 8:35 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>
>>>> Once you get used to MacOS, it's hard to consider going back. I
>>>> just like the fact that the computer always performs at the same
>>>> rate. With every PC I've ever owned, it's fast for a while, slows
>>>> down, speeds up, goes back to being fast, freezes, runs slows, goes
>>>> fast again, etc.. With the Mac, there is only one speed: fast.
>>>
>>> I get that. But Windows software is better, to me.
>>
>> Any specific examples?
> 
> 
> It's a general thing, very few macOS-native apps impressed me. Far and
> away, in fact, MS Office for Mac was the big one that I saw (2010).

MS Office is different on the two -- or was when I last played. For the
most part I prefer the macOS versions. Photoshop, for example, has the
Mac color picker. Makes a big difference for me. Almost all apps have a
saved-status indicator (though that is less important now than it the
past). Most documents have a proxy icon which I often use... and the
ability to see the path to the file easily, and rename and move it
without going to the Finder (Explorer). Lots of other little benefits I
miss when on other systems.

-- 
It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.

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#149915

On Sun, 25 Oct 2026 19:29:43 +1100, Brock McNuggets  
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Oct 25, 2026 at 12:17 AM, Joel W. Crump wrote in
> 11bkaeg$3d3da$1@dont-email.me:
>> On 10/24/2026 8:35 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>
> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>> You'd be bored with a Mac. The fact that you suddenly don't need to
>>>>> constantly fix your computer's software or hardware means that you
>>>>> can actually use it to do something.
>>>>
>>>> For me, a WinARM laptop might be just as good. But it's a strong
>>>> sector for Apple, no question about it. The MBP despite having an OS
>>>> I don't prefer is a masterpiece.
>>>
>>> Once you get used to MacOS, it's hard to consider going back. I just
>>> like the fact that the computer always performs at the same rate.
>>> With every PC I've ever owned, it's fast for a while, slows down,
>>> speeds up, goes back to being fast, freezes, runs slows, goes fast
>>> again, etc.. With the Mac, there is only one speed: fast.
>>
>>
>> I get that. But Windows software is better, to me.
>
> Any specific examples?

Most obviously usenet clients and access  in Office

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#149920

On 28 Oct 2026, Rod Speed wrote in <op.3xxtfp07byq249@pvr2.lan>:
> On Sun, 25 Oct 2026 19:29:43 +1100, Brock McNuggets
> <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Oct 25, 2026 at 12:17 AM, Joel W. Crump wrote in
>> 11bkaeg$3d3da$1@dont-email.me:
>>> On 10/24/2026 8:35 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>
>> <snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You'd be bored with a Mac. The fact that you suddenly don't need
>>>>>> to constantly fix your computer's software or hardware means that
>>>>>> you can actually use it to do something.
>>>>>
>>>>> For me, a WinARM laptop might be just as good. But it's a strong
>>>>> sector for Apple, no question about it. The MBP despite having an
>>>>> OS I don't prefer is a masterpiece.
>>>>
>>>> Once you get used to MacOS, it's hard to consider going back. I
>>>> just like the fact that the computer always performs at the same
>>>> rate. With every PC I've ever owned, it's fast for a while, slows
>>>> down, speeds up, goes back to being fast, freezes, runs slows, goes
>>>> fast again, etc.. With the Mac, there is only one speed: fast.
>>>
>>>
>>> I get that. But Windows software is better, to me.
>>
>> Any specific examples?
> 
> Most obviously usenet clients and access in Office
> 

I am working on that for macOS. LOL! What do you use on Windows? What
features do you like in a Usenet client? If you check my headers you
will see I am using the utterly unknown, unreleased Loom GS... a client
I am developing and might someday sell.

I have used Access, but when I did database work I preferred FileMaker
Pro. It certainly had a lot of areas where it's data model was lacking,
but for ease of use and ease of making UIs for people to work with it
was second to none.

-- 
It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.

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#149921

On Thu, 29 Oct 2026 16:26:57 +1100, Brock McNuggets  
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 28 Oct 2026, Rod Speed wrote in <op.3xxtfp07byq249@pvr2.lan>:
>> On Sun, 25 Oct 2026 19:29:43 +1100, Brock McNuggets
>> <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Oct 25, 2026 at 12:17 AM, Joel W. Crump wrote in
>>> 11bkaeg$3d3da$1@dont-email.me:
>>>> On 10/24/2026 8:35 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You'd be bored with a Mac. The fact that you suddenly don't need
>>>>>>> to constantly fix your computer's software or hardware means that
>>>>>>> you can actually use it to do something.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For me, a WinARM laptop might be just as good. But it's a strong
>>>>>> sector for Apple, no question about it. The MBP despite having an
>>>>>> OS I don't prefer is a masterpiece.
>>>>>
>>>>> Once you get used to MacOS, it's hard to consider going back. I
>>>>> just like the fact that the computer always performs at the same
>>>>> rate. With every PC I've ever owned, it's fast for a while, slows
>>>>> down, speeds up, goes back to being fast, freezes, runs slows, goes
>>>>> fast again, etc.. With the Mac, there is only one speed: fast.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I get that. But Windows software is better, to me.
>>>
>>> Any specific examples?
>>
>> Most obviously usenet clients and access in Office

> I am working on that for macOS. LOL! What do you use on Windows?

Opera Mail

> What   features do you like in a Usenet client?

Nice fast downloading of the headers when changing
newsgroup and being able to see just a subset by
keyword of the headers and having headers marked
as read with crossposts once I have read one instance

> If you check my headers you
> will see I am using the utterly unknown, unreleased Loom GS... a client
> I am developing and might someday sell.

I donf buy usenet clients

> I have used Access, but when I did database work I preferred FileMaker
> Pro. It certainly had a lot of areas where it's data model was lacking,
> but for ease of use and ease of making UIs for people to work with it
> was second to none.

I need a lot of power in database design and form design, a decenf
programming language and debugger and to be able to set alarms
in outlook

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#149912

On Sat, 24 Oct 2026 02:17:00 +1100, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:

> On 2026-10-23 10:37 a.m., Joel W. Crump wrote:
>> On 10/23/2026 8:15 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FurWKk0h5hs>
>>>
>>> Considering that, why the heck would you bother with a Windows machine?
>>   I pretty much buy your argument.  I'm not in the market for laptops  
>> myself, but if I were ...
>>
>
> You'd be bored with a Mac. The fact that you suddenly don't need to  
> constantly fix your computer's software or hardware means that you can  
> actually use it to do something.

I don't constantly fix my software or hardware with my Win11 laptop

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#149760

On Fri, 23 Oct 2026 08:15:55 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> <https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FurWKk0h5hs>
> 
> Considering that, why the heck would you bother with a Windows machine?

There are still sites around where you can buy a laptop without OS,
aren't there?

-- 
Horum omnium fortissimi sunt Belgae.
		- Julius Caesar

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#149774

On Fri, 10/23/2026 12:02 PM, s|b wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Oct 2026 08:15:55 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
> 
>> <https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FurWKk0h5hs>
>>
>> Considering that, why the heck would you bother with a Windows machine?
> 
> There are still sites around where you can buy a laptop without OS,
> aren't there?
> 

Considering the price of the machines to begin with, why would
you care what was on it when it arrived ? for example, if PopOS was
on it, I'd replace that with something else, as a first step.
You can do anything you want, once the machine arrives... assuming
there are no purposeful impediments to prevent it. Any box that
attempts to limit your choices, gets struck off the list of
candidates.

You want processors that run more than one OS, boot schemes
that don't prevent doing what you wish, and so on. Any
cunning proprietary scheme, can be pissing off.

   Paul

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#149775

Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
> On Fri, 10/23/2026 12:02 PM, s|b wrote:
>> On Fri, 23 Oct 2026 08:15:55 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>> 
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FurWKk0h5hs>
>>> 
>>> Considering that, why the heck would you bother with a Windows machine?
>> 
>> There are still sites around where you can buy a laptop without OS,
>> aren't there?
>> 
> 
> Considering the price of the machines to begin with, why would
> you care what was on it when it arrived ? for example, if PopOS was
> on it, I'd replace that with something else, as a first step.
> You can do anything you want, once the machine arrives... assuming
> there are no purposeful impediments to prevent it. Any box that
> attempts to limit your choices, gets struck off the list of
> candidates.

Struck off YOUR list of candidates.
 
> You want processors that run more than one OS, boot schemes
> that don't prevent doing what you wish, and so on. Any
> cunning proprietary scheme, can be pissing off.

YOU want that.  Not everyone.   

People who buy Macs are not looking to screw around with Operating Systems.
  The whole point of Macs is that you don’t need to be a computer geek to
use it.  

Windows is sort of there, but there are still too many problems that USERS
cannot handle.  Updating ANYTHING (the OS/an app/or a driver) can crash the
whole system, due to the poor design of Windows.   It does not help that
the error messages are gibberish.  

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#149776

On Fri, 10/23/2026 7:25 PM, Nick Charles wrote:

> YOU want that.  Not everyone.   
> 
> People who buy Macs are not looking to screw around with Operating Systems.
>   The whole point of Macs is that you don’t need to be a computer geek to
> use it.  
> 
> Windows is sort of there, but there are still too many problems that USERS
> cannot handle.  Updating ANYTHING (the OS/an app/or a driver) can crash the
> whole system, due to the poor design of Windows.   It does not help that
> the error messages are gibberish.  

I hope you're not encouraging ignorance as a way of life.

We cannot afford that.

The Black Hats are winning, the White Hats are losing.
(Especially in the era of Mythos. Mythos in the hands of Black Hats.)

Someone the other day (Tomshardware) was coding up an application
to read out the temperature on some sort of Mac Mini box. Now,
right away, we're in ignorance country, because this individual
didn't even check to see what tasks were running on the box,
before dropping to AI and attempting to vibe code his way
to fame and fortune. There was a Bitcoin miner running on
the box and the CPU temperature was 110C.

In a newsgroup like this, we would tell you "do you have a process status,
a "top" command, a "Task Manager", anything that lists the processes ?".
You should, as a user, be educated about the operation of your machine,
and when there is "unexplained slowness or the thermal vent is as hot as toast",
well... check.

We believe in Safe Hex here, and fending for yourself. Do what
you can, what you're capable of, instead of "believing in Sparkle Ponies
as the solution to all problems". I don't know everything, and
I do the best I can to solve problems. AND I was doing that when
I owned the three Apple computers in the room too. I used to hang
out in an enthusiast Apple web forum, to help out (NOT the Apple forum).
For example, one day we helped someone who had acquired a root kit.
The user was smart enough to notice that the Finder was no longer
able to list any file that began with the letter "f". And for crude
rootkits, that's just about the worst way they can find of hiding
themselves :-) In another case, someone joined the forum to distribute
an executable. One of the people on the site, was the first to sample
it and determined "malware!" and sent out the warning. And the little
bastard whined "it took me three months to write that".

It doesn't matter where you hide, someone is planning to make
a victim out of you. And a proper attitude, helps.

   Paul

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