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Apple Store appointment today

Started byTom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com>
First post2026-10-14 11:22 -0400
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  Apple Store appointment today Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-14 11:22 -0400
    Re: Apple Store appointment today Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-14 10:27 -0700
      Re: Apple Store appointment today Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-14 16:01 -0400
        Re: Apple Store appointment today Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-14 13:23 -0700
          Re: Apple Store appointment today Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-15 07:16 -0400
            Re: Apple Store appointment today Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-15 10:15 -0700
    Re: Apple Store appointment today Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-14 15:59 -0400
      Re: Apple Store appointment today Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-14 13:24 -0700
        Re: Apple Store appointment today Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-14 18:27 -0400
          Re: Apple Store appointment today "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-14 19:30 -0400
            Re: Apple Store appointment today CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-14 19:52 -0400
              Re: Apple Store appointment today "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-14 21:16 -0400
                Re: Apple Store appointment today Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-14 18:32 -0700
                Re: Apple Store appointment today CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-14 21:59 -0400
                  Re: Apple Store appointment today "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-14 22:26 -0400
                    Re: Apple Store appointment today CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-15 08:10 -0400
          Re: Apple Store appointment today CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-14 19:50 -0400
          Re: Apple Store appointment today Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-14 17:10 -0700
            Re: Apple Store appointment today Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-15 06:49 -0400
              Re: Apple Store appointment today Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-15 09:22 -0700
                Re: Apple Store appointment today Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-16 14:38 -0400
                  Re: Apple Store appointment today Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-16 12:39 -0700
                    Re: Apple Store appointment today Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-21 09:15 -0400
                      Re: Apple Store appointment today CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-21 11:31 -0400
                        Re: Apple Store appointment today Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-21 15:22 -0400
                          Re: Apple Store appointment today Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-21 12:27 -0700
                          Re: Apple Store appointment today CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-21 15:36 -0400
                            Re: Apple Store appointment today Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-21 12:47 -0700
                            Re: Apple Store appointment today Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-21 18:04 -0400
                              Re: Apple Store appointment today Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-21 15:34 -0700
                              Re: Apple Store appointment today CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-21 18:52 -0400
                                Re: Apple Store appointment today Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-21 16:36 -0700
                      Re: Apple Store appointment today Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-21 12:35 -0700
                        Re: Apple Store appointment today Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-21 18:02 -0400
                          Re: Apple Store appointment today Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-21 15:30 -0700
                            Re: Apple Store appointment today Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-21 16:48 -0700
                            Re: Apple Store appointment today Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-22 08:10 -0400
                              Re: Apple Store appointment today -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2026-10-22 08:54 -0400
                                Re: Apple Store appointment today Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-22 09:23 -0400
                                  Re: Apple Store appointment today -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2026-10-22 13:33 -0400
                                    Re: Apple Store appointment today Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-22 16:47 -0400
                                      Re: Apple Store appointment today Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-22 14:18 -0700
                                        Re: Apple Store appointment today Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-22 16:14 -0700
                                        Re: Apple Store appointment today Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 05:22 -0400
                                          Re: Apple Store appointment today Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-23 08:28 -0700
                                        Re: Apple Store appointment today -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2026-10-23 06:44 -0400
                                    Re: Apple Store appointment today Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 05:24 -0400
                                      Re: Apple Store appointment today -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2026-10-23 06:44 -0400
                            Re: Apple Store appointment today Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-22 09:15 -0400
    Re: Apple Store appointment today Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-15 11:53 -0400
      Re: Apple Store appointment today CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-15 12:16 -0400

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#149517

FromTom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com>
Date2026-10-16 14:38 -0400
Message-ID<11atqug$3i3s3$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#149476
On 10/15/26 12:22 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2026-10-15 03:49, Tom Elam wrote:
>> On 10/14/26 8:10 PM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2026-10-14 15:27, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>> On 10/14/26 4:24 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2026-10-14 12:59, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/14/26 11:22 AM, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>> I have a 2:40 reservation to have my iPad examined. Might just be 
>>>>>>> a dirty charging port, but this morning it will not charge.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Results later.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Love the Apple Store folks. It was just a dirty port. But, the 
>>>>>> tech also informed me that the battery is a 82%, and to expect a 
>>>>>> message to bring it back in a few months for a new battery. Since 
>>>>>> Apple does not actually replace batteries that actually means a 
>>>>>> replacement iPad. All covered under AppleCare+ For $20 a month for 
>>>>>> my iPhone 14 Pro, iPad 9th gen and the MacBook Air.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> An old guy across from me at the store had a 10 year old iPad the 
>>>>>> same charging issue. He left with a working iPad too, no charge 
>>>>>> for fixing it. The wife's 7 year old iPad 7 is now done with full 
>>>>>> update service. Not seeing any need to buy another any time soon. 
>>>>>> I did not have a single Android tablet that lasted more than 3 
>>>>>> years. Hers with not be under AppleCare+ in about a year, but so 
>>>>>> what?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank goodness your "life" wasn't "disrupted"...
>>>>>
>>>>> <eyeroll>
>>>>
>>>> Yep, no need to go back in a week or so, pickup a replacement, 
>>>> restore, and tweak settings. Replacement is much easier than 
>>>> Android, but still takes some time. That will happen fairly soon 
>>>> though when the battery (in truth, the whole iPad) will be replaced 
>>>> under AppleCare+. That will likely not be the last such incident 
>>>> until it runs out of AppleCare+ coverage. Since it was sold by Apple 
>>>> until May 2024 AppleCare+ should last until April 2031. Am I right 
>>>> about that? Almost 5 more years?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Would you like a fan to prevent you from getting the vapours?
>>
>> Just another dose of Fakerboy's abusive rhetoric.
> 
> Oh my, you are such a fragile little flower, aren't you?

OMG, the lengths you have gone to to support your inflated opinion of 
your FF racing days! Fragile little flower aren't you?

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#149519

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2026-10-16 12:39 -0700
Message-ID<11atuhq$3jh99$6@dont-email.me>
In reply to#149517
On 2026-10-16 11:38, Tom Elam wrote:
> On 10/15/26 12:22 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2026-10-15 03:49, Tom Elam wrote:
>>> On 10/14/26 8:10 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2026-10-14 15:27, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>> On 10/14/26 4:24 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2026-10-14 12:59, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/14/26 11:22 AM, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>> I have a 2:40 reservation to have my iPad examined. Might just 
>>>>>>>> be a dirty charging port, but this morning it will not charge.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Results later.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Love the Apple Store folks. It was just a dirty port. But, the 
>>>>>>> tech also informed me that the battery is a 82%, and to expect a 
>>>>>>> message to bring it back in a few months for a new battery. Since 
>>>>>>> Apple does not actually replace batteries that actually means a 
>>>>>>> replacement iPad. All covered under AppleCare+ For $20 a month 
>>>>>>> for my iPhone 14 Pro, iPad 9th gen and the MacBook Air.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> An old guy across from me at the store had a 10 year old iPad the 
>>>>>>> same charging issue. He left with a working iPad too, no charge 
>>>>>>> for fixing it. The wife's 7 year old iPad 7 is now done with full 
>>>>>>> update service. Not seeing any need to buy another any time soon. 
>>>>>>> I did not have a single Android tablet that lasted more than 3 
>>>>>>> years. Hers with not be under AppleCare+ in about a year, but so 
>>>>>>> what?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank goodness your "life" wasn't "disrupted"...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <eyeroll>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep, no need to go back in a week or so, pickup a replacement, 
>>>>> restore, and tweak settings. Replacement is much easier than 
>>>>> Android, but still takes some time. That will happen fairly soon 
>>>>> though when the battery (in truth, the whole iPad) will be replaced 
>>>>> under AppleCare+. That will likely not be the last such incident 
>>>>> until it runs out of AppleCare+ coverage. Since it was sold by 
>>>>> Apple until May 2024 AppleCare+ should last until April 2031. Am I 
>>>>> right about that? Almost 5 more years?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Would you like a fan to prevent you from getting the vapours?
>>>
>>> Just another dose of Fakerboy's abusive rhetoric.
>>
>> Oh my, you are such a fragile little flower, aren't you?
> 
> OMG, the lengths you have gone to to support your inflated opinion of 
> your FF racing days! Fragile little flower aren't you?

What in the world is that dodge, Liarboy?

I have no inflated opinion.

I have the respect of my peers.

That's why they made me an instructor after only 4 seasons of racing.

:-)

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#149668

FromTom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com>
Date2026-10-21 09:15 -0400
Message-ID<11badtr$3uvgb$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#149519
On 10/16/26 3:39 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2026-10-16 11:38, Tom Elam wrote:
>> On 10/15/26 12:22 PM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2026-10-15 03:49, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>> On 10/14/26 8:10 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2026-10-14 15:27, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/14/26 4:24 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2026-10-14 12:59, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 10/14/26 11:22 AM, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I have a 2:40 reservation to have my iPad examined. Might just 
>>>>>>>>> be a dirty charging port, but this morning it will not charge.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Results later.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Love the Apple Store folks. It was just a dirty port. But, the 
>>>>>>>> tech also informed me that the battery is a 82%, and to expect a 
>>>>>>>> message to bring it back in a few months for a new battery. 
>>>>>>>> Since Apple does not actually replace batteries that actually 
>>>>>>>> means a replacement iPad. All covered under AppleCare+ For $20 a 
>>>>>>>> month for my iPhone 14 Pro, iPad 9th gen and the MacBook Air.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> An old guy across from me at the store had a 10 year old iPad 
>>>>>>>> the same charging issue. He left with a working iPad too, no 
>>>>>>>> charge for fixing it. The wife's 7 year old iPad 7 is now done 
>>>>>>>> with full update service. Not seeing any need to buy another any 
>>>>>>>> time soon. I did not have a single Android tablet that lasted 
>>>>>>>> more than 3 years. Hers with not be under AppleCare+ in about a 
>>>>>>>> year, but so what?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank goodness your "life" wasn't "disrupted"...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <eyeroll>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep, no need to go back in a week or so, pickup a replacement, 
>>>>>> restore, and tweak settings. Replacement is much easier than 
>>>>>> Android, but still takes some time. That will happen fairly soon 
>>>>>> though when the battery (in truth, the whole iPad) will be 
>>>>>> replaced under AppleCare+. That will likely not be the last such 
>>>>>> incident until it runs out of AppleCare+ coverage. Since it was 
>>>>>> sold by Apple until May 2024 AppleCare+ should last until April 
>>>>>> 2031. Am I right about that? Almost 5 more years?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Would you like a fan to prevent you from getting the vapours?
>>>>
>>>> Just another dose of Fakerboy's abusive rhetoric.
>>>
>>> Oh my, you are such a fragile little flower, aren't you?
>>
>> OMG, the lengths you have gone to to support your inflated opinion of 
>> your FF racing days! Fragile little flower aren't you?
> 
> What in the world is that dodge, Liarboy?
> 
> I have no inflated opinion.
> 
> I have the respect of my peers.
> 
> That's why they made me an instructor after only 4 seasons of racing.
> 
> :-)

There is an old saying attributed to George Bernard Shaw: "Those who 
can, do; those who can't, teach" that is true in this instance.

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#149669

FromCrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge>
Date2026-10-21 11:31 -0400
Message-ID<6ad8dab8$0$19$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>
In reply to#149668
On 2026-10-21 9:15 a.m., Tom Elam wrote:
> On 10/16/26 3:39 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2026-10-16 11:38, Tom Elam wrote:
>>> On 10/15/26 12:22 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2026-10-15 03:49, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>> On 10/14/26 8:10 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2026-10-14 15:27, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/14/26 4:24 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2026-10-14 12:59, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 10/14/26 11:22 AM, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I have a 2:40 reservation to have my iPad examined. Might just 
>>>>>>>>>> be a dirty charging port, but this morning it will not charge.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Results later.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Love the Apple Store folks. It was just a dirty port. But, the 
>>>>>>>>> tech also informed me that the battery is a 82%, and to expect 
>>>>>>>>> a message to bring it back in a few months for a new battery. 
>>>>>>>>> Since Apple does not actually replace batteries that actually 
>>>>>>>>> means a replacement iPad. All covered under AppleCare+ For $20 
>>>>>>>>> a month for my iPhone 14 Pro, iPad 9th gen and the MacBook Air.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> An old guy across from me at the store had a 10 year old iPad 
>>>>>>>>> the same charging issue. He left with a working iPad too, no 
>>>>>>>>> charge for fixing it. The wife's 7 year old iPad 7 is now done 
>>>>>>>>> with full update service. Not seeing any need to buy another 
>>>>>>>>> any time soon. I did not have a single Android tablet that 
>>>>>>>>> lasted more than 3 years. Hers with not be under AppleCare+ in 
>>>>>>>>> about a year, but so what?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank goodness your "life" wasn't "disrupted"...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <eyeroll>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yep, no need to go back in a week or so, pickup a replacement, 
>>>>>>> restore, and tweak settings. Replacement is much easier than 
>>>>>>> Android, but still takes some time. That will happen fairly soon 
>>>>>>> though when the battery (in truth, the whole iPad) will be 
>>>>>>> replaced under AppleCare+. That will likely not be the last such 
>>>>>>> incident until it runs out of AppleCare+ coverage. Since it was 
>>>>>>> sold by Apple until May 2024 AppleCare+ should last until April 
>>>>>>> 2031. Am I right about that? Almost 5 more years?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Would you like a fan to prevent you from getting the vapours?
>>>>>
>>>>> Just another dose of Fakerboy's abusive rhetoric.
>>>>
>>>> Oh my, you are such a fragile little flower, aren't you?
>>>
>>> OMG, the lengths you have gone to to support your inflated opinion of 
>>> your FF racing days! Fragile little flower aren't you?
>>
>> What in the world is that dodge, Liarboy?
>>
>> I have no inflated opinion.
>>
>> I have the respect of my peers.
>>
>> That's why they made me an instructor after only 4 seasons of racing.
>>
>> :-)
> 
> There is an old saying attributed to George Bernard Shaw: "Those who 
> can, do; those who can't, teach" that is true in this instance.

It's insulting to a lot of teachers who simply chose the field because 
they do like to be around kids and want to play a part in training the 
next generation. Nonetheless, I think that it is true of many of us. A 
lot of us are jacks of all trades, masters of none and bad at getting 
projects off the ground.

-- 
CrudeSausage
MacBook Air M4 Sky Blue
iPhone 13
Friendly Apple zealot

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#149688

FromTom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com>
Date2026-10-21 15:22 -0400
Message-ID<11bb3e0$7rnp$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#149669
On 10/21/26 11:31 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
> On 2026-10-21 9:15 a.m., Tom Elam wrote:
>> On 10/16/26 3:39 PM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2026-10-16 11:38, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>> On 10/15/26 12:22 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2026-10-15 03:49, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/14/26 8:10 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2026-10-14 15:27, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 10/14/26 4:24 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2026-10-14 12:59, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 10/14/26 11:22 AM, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I have a 2:40 reservation to have my iPad examined. Might 
>>>>>>>>>>> just be a dirty charging port, but this morning it will not 
>>>>>>>>>>> charge.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Results later.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Love the Apple Store folks. It was just a dirty port. But, the 
>>>>>>>>>> tech also informed me that the battery is a 82%, and to expect 
>>>>>>>>>> a message to bring it back in a few months for a new battery. 
>>>>>>>>>> Since Apple does not actually replace batteries that actually 
>>>>>>>>>> means a replacement iPad. All covered under AppleCare+ For $20 
>>>>>>>>>> a month for my iPhone 14 Pro, iPad 9th gen and the MacBook Air.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> An old guy across from me at the store had a 10 year old iPad 
>>>>>>>>>> the same charging issue. He left with a working iPad too, no 
>>>>>>>>>> charge for fixing it. The wife's 7 year old iPad 7 is now done 
>>>>>>>>>> with full update service. Not seeing any need to buy another 
>>>>>>>>>> any time soon. I did not have a single Android tablet that 
>>>>>>>>>> lasted more than 3 years. Hers with not be under AppleCare+ in 
>>>>>>>>>> about a year, but so what?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank goodness your "life" wasn't "disrupted"...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <eyeroll>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yep, no need to go back in a week or so, pickup a replacement, 
>>>>>>>> restore, and tweak settings. Replacement is much easier than 
>>>>>>>> Android, but still takes some time. That will happen fairly soon 
>>>>>>>> though when the battery (in truth, the whole iPad) will be 
>>>>>>>> replaced under AppleCare+. That will likely not be the last such 
>>>>>>>> incident until it runs out of AppleCare+ coverage. Since it was 
>>>>>>>> sold by Apple until May 2024 AppleCare+ should last until April 
>>>>>>>> 2031. Am I right about that? Almost 5 more years?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Would you like a fan to prevent you from getting the vapours?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just another dose of Fakerboy's abusive rhetoric.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh my, you are such a fragile little flower, aren't you?
>>>>
>>>> OMG, the lengths you have gone to to support your inflated opinion 
>>>> of your FF racing days! Fragile little flower aren't you?
>>>
>>> What in the world is that dodge, Liarboy?
>>>
>>> I have no inflated opinion.
>>>
>>> I have the respect of my peers.
>>>
>>> That's why they made me an instructor after only 4 seasons of racing.
>>>
>>> :-)
>>
>> There is an old saying attributed to George Bernard Shaw: "Those who 
>> can, do; those who can't, teach" that is true in this instance.
> 
> It's insulting to a lot of teachers who simply chose the field because 
> they do like to be around kids and want to play a part in training the 
> next generation. Nonetheless, I think that it is true of many of us. A 
> lot of us are jacks of all trades, masters of none and bad at getting 
> projects off the ground.
> 
Actually doing and teaching are different skill sets. Some people are 
skilled doers and not so great at teaching. I am one of those. I had 
some incredible teachers in my life. This is not meant to disparage 
those folks who shaped my life and career.

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#149690

FromBrock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com>
Date2026-10-21 12:27 -0700
Message-ID<1792610829.C14613F4@gmail.com>
In reply to#149688
On Oct 21, 2026 at 12:22 PM, Tom Elam wrote in
11bb3e0$7rnp$1@dont-email.me:
> On 10/21/26 11:31 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>> On 2026-10-21 9:15 a.m., Tom Elam wrote:
>>> On 10/16/26 3:39 PM, Alan wrote:
<snip 65 lines>
>>>
>>> There is an old saying attributed to George Bernard Shaw: "Those who
>>> can, do; those who can't, teach" that is true in this instance.
>>
>> It's insulting to a lot of teachers who simply chose the field
>> because they do like to be around kids and want to play a part in
>> training the next generation. Nonetheless, I think that it is true of
>> many of us. A lot of us are jacks of all trades, masters of none and
>> bad at getting projects off the ground.
>>
> Actually doing and teaching are different skill sets. Some people are
> skilled doers and not so great at teaching. I am one of those. I had
> some incredible teachers in my life. This is not meant to disparage
> those folks who shaped my life and career.
> 

As a teacher / trainer I absolutely agree. I am a good teacher but that
does not mean I am the best at all things I teach. Very different skill
sets.

-- 
It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at
peace with you.

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#149693

FromCrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge>
Date2026-10-21 15:36 -0400
Message-ID<6ad91458$0$35632$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>
In reply to#149688
On 2026-10-21 3:22 p.m., Tom Elam wrote:
> On 10/21/26 11:31 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>> On 2026-10-21 9:15 a.m., Tom Elam wrote:
>>> On 10/16/26 3:39 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2026-10-16 11:38, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>> On 10/15/26 12:22 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2026-10-15 03:49, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/14/26 8:10 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2026-10-14 15:27, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 10/14/26 4:24 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2026-10-14 12:59, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/14/26 11:22 AM, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a 2:40 reservation to have my iPad examined. Might 
>>>>>>>>>>>> just be a dirty charging port, but this morning it will not 
>>>>>>>>>>>> charge.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Results later.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Love the Apple Store folks. It was just a dirty port. But, 
>>>>>>>>>>> the tech also informed me that the battery is a 82%, and to 
>>>>>>>>>>> expect a message to bring it back in a few months for a new 
>>>>>>>>>>> battery. Since Apple does not actually replace batteries that 
>>>>>>>>>>> actually means a replacement iPad. All covered under 
>>>>>>>>>>> AppleCare+ For $20 a month for my iPhone 14 Pro, iPad 9th gen 
>>>>>>>>>>> and the MacBook Air.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> An old guy across from me at the store had a 10 year old iPad 
>>>>>>>>>>> the same charging issue. He left with a working iPad too, no 
>>>>>>>>>>> charge for fixing it. The wife's 7 year old iPad 7 is now 
>>>>>>>>>>> done with full update service. Not seeing any need to buy 
>>>>>>>>>>> another any time soon. I did not have a single Android tablet 
>>>>>>>>>>> that lasted more than 3 years. Hers with not be under 
>>>>>>>>>>> AppleCare+ in about a year, but so what?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thank goodness your "life" wasn't "disrupted"...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <eyeroll>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yep, no need to go back in a week or so, pickup a replacement, 
>>>>>>>>> restore, and tweak settings. Replacement is much easier than 
>>>>>>>>> Android, but still takes some time. That will happen fairly 
>>>>>>>>> soon though when the battery (in truth, the whole iPad) will be 
>>>>>>>>> replaced under AppleCare+. That will likely not be the last 
>>>>>>>>> such incident until it runs out of AppleCare+ coverage. Since 
>>>>>>>>> it was sold by Apple until May 2024 AppleCare+ should last 
>>>>>>>>> until April 2031. Am I right about that? Almost 5 more years?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Would you like a fan to prevent you from getting the vapours?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just another dose of Fakerboy's abusive rhetoric.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh my, you are such a fragile little flower, aren't you?
>>>>>
>>>>> OMG, the lengths you have gone to to support your inflated opinion 
>>>>> of your FF racing days! Fragile little flower aren't you?
>>>>
>>>> What in the world is that dodge, Liarboy?
>>>>
>>>> I have no inflated opinion.
>>>>
>>>> I have the respect of my peers.
>>>>
>>>> That's why they made me an instructor after only 4 seasons of racing.
>>>>
>>>> :-)
>>>
>>> There is an old saying attributed to George Bernard Shaw: "Those who 
>>> can, do; those who can't, teach" that is true in this instance.
>>
>> It's insulting to a lot of teachers who simply chose the field because 
>> they do like to be around kids and want to play a part in training the 
>> next generation. Nonetheless, I think that it is true of many of us. A 
>> lot of us are jacks of all trades, masters of none and bad at getting 
>> projects off the ground.
>>
> Actually doing and teaching are different skill sets. Some people are 
> skilled doers and not so great at teaching. I am one of those. I had 
> some incredible teachers in my life. This is not meant to disparage 
> those folks who shaped my life and career.

Absolutely. I can easily demonstrate this by contrasting with my wife. 
She is knowledgeable about everything in her field and is not likely to 
make a single mistake when applying her knowledge. However, when it 
comes to transferring her knowledge to others, she has no patience and 
expects people to read whatever material she sends and remember 
everything, re-reading what was written if there are any doubts. In my 
case, I have way too much patience, and try to find tricks and patterns 
that can make tasks easier because I routinely try to put myself in the 
shoes of the learner. Transferring knowledge comes easily, but don't ask 
me to write a full manual about everything.

-- 
CrudeSausage
MacBook Air M4 Sky Blue
iPhone 13
Friendly Apple zealot

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#149695

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2026-10-21 12:47 -0700
Message-ID<11bb4sc$8d36$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#149693
On 2026-10-21 12:36, CrudeSausage wrote:
> On 2026-10-21 3:22 p.m., Tom Elam wrote:
>> On 10/21/26 11:31 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>> On 2026-10-21 9:15 a.m., Tom Elam wrote:
>>>> On 10/16/26 3:39 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2026-10-16 11:38, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/15/26 12:22 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2026-10-15 03:49, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 10/14/26 8:10 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2026-10-14 15:27, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 10/14/26 4:24 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2026-10-14 12:59, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/14/26 11:22 AM, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a 2:40 reservation to have my iPad examined. Might 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> just be a dirty charging port, but this morning it will not 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> charge.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Results later.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Love the Apple Store folks. It was just a dirty port. But, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> the tech also informed me that the battery is a 82%, and to 
>>>>>>>>>>>> expect a message to bring it back in a few months for a new 
>>>>>>>>>>>> battery. Since Apple does not actually replace batteries 
>>>>>>>>>>>> that actually means a replacement iPad. All covered under 
>>>>>>>>>>>> AppleCare+ For $20 a month for my iPhone 14 Pro, iPad 9th 
>>>>>>>>>>>> gen and the MacBook Air.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> An old guy across from me at the store had a 10 year old 
>>>>>>>>>>>> iPad the same charging issue. He left with a working iPad 
>>>>>>>>>>>> too, no charge for fixing it. The wife's 7 year old iPad 7 
>>>>>>>>>>>> is now done with full update service. Not seeing any need to 
>>>>>>>>>>>> buy another any time soon. I did not have a single Android 
>>>>>>>>>>>> tablet that lasted more than 3 years. Hers with not be under 
>>>>>>>>>>>> AppleCare+ in about a year, but so what?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thank goodness your "life" wasn't "disrupted"...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <eyeroll>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yep, no need to go back in a week or so, pickup a replacement, 
>>>>>>>>>> restore, and tweak settings. Replacement is much easier than 
>>>>>>>>>> Android, but still takes some time. That will happen fairly 
>>>>>>>>>> soon though when the battery (in truth, the whole iPad) will 
>>>>>>>>>> be replaced under AppleCare+. That will likely not be the last 
>>>>>>>>>> such incident until it runs out of AppleCare+ coverage. Since 
>>>>>>>>>> it was sold by Apple until May 2024 AppleCare+ should last 
>>>>>>>>>> until April 2031. Am I right about that? Almost 5 more years?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Would you like a fan to prevent you from getting the vapours?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just another dose of Fakerboy's abusive rhetoric.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh my, you are such a fragile little flower, aren't you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OMG, the lengths you have gone to to support your inflated opinion 
>>>>>> of your FF racing days! Fragile little flower aren't you?
>>>>>
>>>>> What in the world is that dodge, Liarboy?
>>>>>
>>>>> I have no inflated opinion.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have the respect of my peers.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's why they made me an instructor after only 4 seasons of racing.
>>>>>
>>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>> There is an old saying attributed to George Bernard Shaw: "Those who 
>>>> can, do; those who can't, teach" that is true in this instance.
>>>
>>> It's insulting to a lot of teachers who simply chose the field 
>>> because they do like to be around kids and want to play a part in 
>>> training the next generation. Nonetheless, I think that it is true of 
>>> many of us. A lot of us are jacks of all trades, masters of none and 
>>> bad at getting projects off the ground.
>>>
>> Actually doing and teaching are different skill sets. Some people are 
>> skilled doers and not so great at teaching. I am one of those. I had 
>> some incredible teachers in my life. This is not meant to disparage 
>> those folks who shaped my life and career.
> 
> Absolutely. I can easily demonstrate this by contrasting with my wife. 
> She is knowledgeable about everything in her field and is not likely to 
> make a single mistake when applying her knowledge. However, when it 
> comes to transferring her knowledge to others, she has no patience and 
> expects people to read whatever material she sends and remember 
> everything, re-reading what was written if there are any doubts. In my 
> case, I have way too much patience, and try to find tricks and patterns 
> that can make tasks easier because I routinely try to put myself in the 
> shoes of the learner. Transferring knowledge comes easily, but don't ask 
> me to write a full manual about everything.
And while the saying exists, there are many, many people who are both 
good at what they do, and can teach it well.

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#149706

FromTom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com>
Date2026-10-21 18:04 -0400
Message-ID<11bbct6$bed1$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#149693
On 10/21/26 3:36 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
> On 2026-10-21 3:22 p.m., Tom Elam wrote:
>> On 10/21/26 11:31 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>> On 2026-10-21 9:15 a.m., Tom Elam wrote:
>>>> On 10/16/26 3:39 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2026-10-16 11:38, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/15/26 12:22 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2026-10-15 03:49, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 10/14/26 8:10 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2026-10-14 15:27, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 10/14/26 4:24 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2026-10-14 12:59, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/14/26 11:22 AM, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a 2:40 reservation to have my iPad examined. Might 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> just be a dirty charging port, but this morning it will not 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> charge.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Results later.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Love the Apple Store folks. It was just a dirty port. But, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> the tech also informed me that the battery is a 82%, and to 
>>>>>>>>>>>> expect a message to bring it back in a few months for a new 
>>>>>>>>>>>> battery. Since Apple does not actually replace batteries 
>>>>>>>>>>>> that actually means a replacement iPad. All covered under 
>>>>>>>>>>>> AppleCare+ For $20 a month for my iPhone 14 Pro, iPad 9th 
>>>>>>>>>>>> gen and the MacBook Air.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> An old guy across from me at the store had a 10 year old 
>>>>>>>>>>>> iPad the same charging issue. He left with a working iPad 
>>>>>>>>>>>> too, no charge for fixing it. The wife's 7 year old iPad 7 
>>>>>>>>>>>> is now done with full update service. Not seeing any need to 
>>>>>>>>>>>> buy another any time soon. I did not have a single Android 
>>>>>>>>>>>> tablet that lasted more than 3 years. Hers with not be under 
>>>>>>>>>>>> AppleCare+ in about a year, but so what?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thank goodness your "life" wasn't "disrupted"...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <eyeroll>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yep, no need to go back in a week or so, pickup a replacement, 
>>>>>>>>>> restore, and tweak settings. Replacement is much easier than 
>>>>>>>>>> Android, but still takes some time. That will happen fairly 
>>>>>>>>>> soon though when the battery (in truth, the whole iPad) will 
>>>>>>>>>> be replaced under AppleCare+. That will likely not be the last 
>>>>>>>>>> such incident until it runs out of AppleCare+ coverage. Since 
>>>>>>>>>> it was sold by Apple until May 2024 AppleCare+ should last 
>>>>>>>>>> until April 2031. Am I right about that? Almost 5 more years?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Would you like a fan to prevent you from getting the vapours?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just another dose of Fakerboy's abusive rhetoric.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh my, you are such a fragile little flower, aren't you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OMG, the lengths you have gone to to support your inflated opinion 
>>>>>> of your FF racing days! Fragile little flower aren't you?
>>>>>
>>>>> What in the world is that dodge, Liarboy?
>>>>>
>>>>> I have no inflated opinion.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have the respect of my peers.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's why they made me an instructor after only 4 seasons of racing.
>>>>>
>>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>> There is an old saying attributed to George Bernard Shaw: "Those who 
>>>> can, do; those who can't, teach" that is true in this instance.
>>>
>>> It's insulting to a lot of teachers who simply chose the field 
>>> because they do like to be around kids and want to play a part in 
>>> training the next generation. Nonetheless, I think that it is true of 
>>> many of us. A lot of us are jacks of all trades, masters of none and 
>>> bad at getting projects off the ground.
>>>
>> Actually doing and teaching are different skill sets. Some people are 
>> skilled doers and not so great at teaching. I am one of those. I had 
>> some incredible teachers in my life. This is not meant to disparage 
>> those folks who shaped my life and career.
> 
> Absolutely. I can easily demonstrate this by contrasting with my wife. 
> She is knowledgeable about everything in her field and is not likely to 
> make a single mistake when applying her knowledge. However, when it 
> comes to transferring her knowledge to others, she has no patience and 
> expects people to read whatever material she sends and remember 
> everything, re-reading what was written if there are any doubts. In my 
> case, I have way too much patience, and try to find tricks and patterns 
> that can make tasks easier because I routinely try to put myself in the 
> shoes of the learner. Transferring knowledge comes easily, but don't ask 
> me to write a full manual about everything.
> 
Which is EXACTLY why I was never a excellent college instructor.

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#149710

FromBrock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com>
Date2026-10-21 15:34 -0700
Message-ID<1792622043.0AD1B21A@gmail.com>
In reply to#149706
On Oct 21, 2026 at 3:04 PM, Tom Elam wrote in
11bbct6$bed1$1@dont-email.me:
> On 10/21/26 3:36 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>> On 2026-10-21 3:22 p.m., Tom Elam wrote:
>>> On 10/21/26 11:31 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
<snip 80 lines>
>>> Actually doing and teaching are different skill sets. Some people
>>> are skilled doers and not so great at teaching. I am one of those. I
>>> had some incredible teachers in my life. This is not meant to
>>> disparage those folks who shaped my life and career.
>>
>> Absolutely. I can easily demonstrate this by contrasting with my
>> wife. She is knowledgeable about everything in her field and is not
>> likely to make a single mistake when applying her knowledge. However,
>> when it comes to transferring her knowledge to others, she has no
>> patience and expects people to read whatever material she sends and
>> remember everything, re-reading what was written if there are any
>> doubts. In my case, I have way too much patience, and try to find
>> tricks and patterns that can make tasks easier because I routinely
>> try to put myself in the shoes of the learner. Transferring knowledge
>> comes easily, but don't ask me to write a full manual about
>> everything.
>>
> Which is EXACTLY why I was never a excellent college instructor.
> 

Meanwhile I am DECENT at a lot of things... and a good problem solver...
but not really an expert at anything. I am quite good at teaching
though. Have taught in the corporate world, K-12, higher education,
private business, etc.

-- 
It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at
peace with you.

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#149711

FromCrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge>
Date2026-10-21 18:52 -0400
Message-ID<6ad9423f$1$36893$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>
In reply to#149706
On 2026-10-21 6:04 p.m., Tom Elam wrote:
> On 10/21/26 3:36 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>> On 2026-10-21 3:22 p.m., Tom Elam wrote:
>>> On 10/21/26 11:31 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>> On 2026-10-21 9:15 a.m., Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>> On 10/16/26 3:39 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2026-10-16 11:38, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/15/26 12:22 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2026-10-15 03:49, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 10/14/26 8:10 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2026-10-14 15:27, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/14/26 4:24 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2026-10-14 12:59, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/14/26 11:22 AM, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a 2:40 reservation to have my iPad examined. Might 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just be a dirty charging port, but this morning it will 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not charge.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Results later.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Love the Apple Store folks. It was just a dirty port. But, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the tech also informed me that the battery is a 82%, and to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> expect a message to bring it back in a few months for a new 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> battery. Since Apple does not actually replace batteries 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that actually means a replacement iPad. All covered under 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> AppleCare+ For $20 a month for my iPhone 14 Pro, iPad 9th 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gen and the MacBook Air.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> An old guy across from me at the store had a 10 year old 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> iPad the same charging issue. He left with a working iPad 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> too, no charge for fixing it. The wife's 7 year old iPad 7 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is now done with full update service. Not seeing any need 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to buy another any time soon. I did not have a single 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Android tablet that lasted more than 3 years. Hers with not 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> be under AppleCare+ in about a year, but so what?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank goodness your "life" wasn't "disrupted"...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <eyeroll>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yep, no need to go back in a week or so, pickup a 
>>>>>>>>>>> replacement, restore, and tweak settings. Replacement is much 
>>>>>>>>>>> easier than Android, but still takes some time. That will 
>>>>>>>>>>> happen fairly soon though when the battery (in truth, the 
>>>>>>>>>>> whole iPad) will be replaced under AppleCare+. That will 
>>>>>>>>>>> likely not be the last such incident until it runs out of 
>>>>>>>>>>> AppleCare+ coverage. Since it was sold by Apple until May 
>>>>>>>>>>> 2024 AppleCare+ should last until April 2031. Am I right 
>>>>>>>>>>> about that? Almost 5 more years?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Would you like a fan to prevent you from getting the vapours?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just another dose of Fakerboy's abusive rhetoric.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh my, you are such a fragile little flower, aren't you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OMG, the lengths you have gone to to support your inflated 
>>>>>>> opinion of your FF racing days! Fragile little flower aren't you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What in the world is that dodge, Liarboy?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have no inflated opinion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have the respect of my peers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's why they made me an instructor after only 4 seasons of racing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> There is an old saying attributed to George Bernard Shaw: "Those 
>>>>> who can, do; those who can't, teach" that is true in this instance.
>>>>
>>>> It's insulting to a lot of teachers who simply chose the field 
>>>> because they do like to be around kids and want to play a part in 
>>>> training the next generation. Nonetheless, I think that it is true 
>>>> of many of us. A lot of us are jacks of all trades, masters of none 
>>>> and bad at getting projects off the ground.
>>>>
>>> Actually doing and teaching are different skill sets. Some people are 
>>> skilled doers and not so great at teaching. I am one of those. I had 
>>> some incredible teachers in my life. This is not meant to disparage 
>>> those folks who shaped my life and career.
>>
>> Absolutely. I can easily demonstrate this by contrasting with my wife. 
>> She is knowledgeable about everything in her field and is not likely 
>> to make a single mistake when applying her knowledge. However, when it 
>> comes to transferring her knowledge to others, she has no patience and 
>> expects people to read whatever material she sends and remember 
>> everything, re-reading what was written if there are any doubts. In my 
>> case, I have way too much patience, and try to find tricks and 
>> patterns that can make tasks easier because I routinely try to put 
>> myself in the shoes of the learner. Transferring knowledge comes 
>> easily, but don't ask me to write a full manual about everything.
>>
> Which is EXACTLY why I was never a excellent college instructor.

To be honest, at the college level, those kids better be ready to read 
the manual before getting to class because nobody is going to hold their 
hand. If you're the kind of guy who doesn't want to simplify 
instructions but are wonderful at providing tons of detail, college is a 
lot of fun to teach.

-- 
CrudeSausage
MacBook Air M4 Sky Blue
iPhone 13
Friendly Apple zealot

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#149714

FromBrock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com>
Date2026-10-21 16:36 -0700
Message-ID<1792625769.872A21B8@gmail.com>
In reply to#149711
On Oct 21, 2026 at 3:52 PM, CrudeSausage wrote in
6ad9423f$1$36893$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> On 2026-10-21 6:04 p.m., Tom Elam wrote:
>> On 10/21/26 3:36 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>> On 2026-10-21 3:22 p.m., Tom Elam wrote:
<snip 87 lines>
>>>
>>> Absolutely. I can easily demonstrate this by contrasting with my
>>> wife. She is knowledgeable about everything in her field and is not
>>> likely to make a single mistake when applying her knowledge.
>>> However, when it comes to transferring her knowledge to others, she
>>> has no patience and expects people to read whatever material she
>>> sends and remember everything, re-reading what was written if there
>>> are any doubts. In my case, I have way too much patience, and try to
>>> find tricks and patterns that can make tasks easier because I
>>> routinely try to put myself in the shoes of the learner.
>>> Transferring knowledge comes easily, but don't ask me to write a
>>> full manual about everything.
>>>
>> Which is EXACTLY why I was never a excellent college instructor.
> 
> To be honest, at the college level, those kids better be ready to read
> the manual before getting to class because nobody is going to hold
> their hand. If you're the kind of guy who doesn't want to simplify
> instructions but are wonderful at providing tons of detail, college is
> a lot of fun to teach.

Ask me the time and I will tell you the history of time measuring and
show you how to make a clock. Pausing to show you a cool sundial on the
way.

-- 
It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at
peace with you.

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#149692

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2026-10-21 12:35 -0700
Message-ID<11bb464$82l4$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#149668
On 2026-10-21 06:15, Tom Elam wrote:
> On 10/16/26 3:39 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2026-10-16 11:38, Tom Elam wrote:
>>> On 10/15/26 12:22 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2026-10-15 03:49, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>> On 10/14/26 8:10 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2026-10-14 15:27, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/14/26 4:24 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2026-10-14 12:59, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 10/14/26 11:22 AM, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I have a 2:40 reservation to have my iPad examined. Might just 
>>>>>>>>>> be a dirty charging port, but this morning it will not charge.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Results later.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Love the Apple Store folks. It was just a dirty port. But, the 
>>>>>>>>> tech also informed me that the battery is a 82%, and to expect 
>>>>>>>>> a message to bring it back in a few months for a new battery. 
>>>>>>>>> Since Apple does not actually replace batteries that actually 
>>>>>>>>> means a replacement iPad. All covered under AppleCare+ For $20 
>>>>>>>>> a month for my iPhone 14 Pro, iPad 9th gen and the MacBook Air.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> An old guy across from me at the store had a 10 year old iPad 
>>>>>>>>> the same charging issue. He left with a working iPad too, no 
>>>>>>>>> charge for fixing it. The wife's 7 year old iPad 7 is now done 
>>>>>>>>> with full update service. Not seeing any need to buy another 
>>>>>>>>> any time soon. I did not have a single Android tablet that 
>>>>>>>>> lasted more than 3 years. Hers with not be under AppleCare+ in 
>>>>>>>>> about a year, but so what?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank goodness your "life" wasn't "disrupted"...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <eyeroll>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yep, no need to go back in a week or so, pickup a replacement, 
>>>>>>> restore, and tweak settings. Replacement is much easier than 
>>>>>>> Android, but still takes some time. That will happen fairly soon 
>>>>>>> though when the battery (in truth, the whole iPad) will be 
>>>>>>> replaced under AppleCare+. That will likely not be the last such 
>>>>>>> incident until it runs out of AppleCare+ coverage. Since it was 
>>>>>>> sold by Apple until May 2024 AppleCare+ should last until April 
>>>>>>> 2031. Am I right about that? Almost 5 more years?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Would you like a fan to prevent you from getting the vapours?
>>>>>
>>>>> Just another dose of Fakerboy's abusive rhetoric.
>>>>
>>>> Oh my, you are such a fragile little flower, aren't you?
>>>
>>> OMG, the lengths you have gone to to support your inflated opinion of 
>>> your FF racing days! Fragile little flower aren't you?
>>
>> What in the world is that dodge, Liarboy?
>>
>> I have no inflated opinion.
>>
>> I have the respect of my peers.
>>
>> That's why they made me an instructor after only 4 seasons of racing.
>>
>> :-)
> 
> There is an old saying attributed to George Bernard Shaw: "Those who 
> can, do; those who can't, teach" that is true in this instance.

Except, as amply demonstrated over 14 races in 2019, I CAN do.

Against a driver you classed as "exceptional", across 14 races where we 
both finished, I completed the nearly 4 hours and 40 minutes of racing 
in a shorter time; not much shorter—only 0.16% IIRC, but shorter.

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#149705

FromTom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com>
Date2026-10-21 18:02 -0400
Message-ID<11bbcpn$bdj5$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#149692
On 10/21/26 3:35 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2026-10-21 06:15, Tom Elam wrote:
>> On 10/16/26 3:39 PM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2026-10-16 11:38, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>> On 10/15/26 12:22 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2026-10-15 03:49, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/14/26 8:10 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2026-10-14 15:27, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 10/14/26 4:24 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2026-10-14 12:59, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 10/14/26 11:22 AM, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I have a 2:40 reservation to have my iPad examined. Might 
>>>>>>>>>>> just be a dirty charging port, but this morning it will not 
>>>>>>>>>>> charge.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Results later.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Love the Apple Store folks. It was just a dirty port. But, the 
>>>>>>>>>> tech also informed me that the battery is a 82%, and to expect 
>>>>>>>>>> a message to bring it back in a few months for a new battery. 
>>>>>>>>>> Since Apple does not actually replace batteries that actually 
>>>>>>>>>> means a replacement iPad. All covered under AppleCare+ For $20 
>>>>>>>>>> a month for my iPhone 14 Pro, iPad 9th gen and the MacBook Air.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> An old guy across from me at the store had a 10 year old iPad 
>>>>>>>>>> the same charging issue. He left with a working iPad too, no 
>>>>>>>>>> charge for fixing it. The wife's 7 year old iPad 7 is now done 
>>>>>>>>>> with full update service. Not seeing any need to buy another 
>>>>>>>>>> any time soon. I did not have a single Android tablet that 
>>>>>>>>>> lasted more than 3 years. Hers with not be under AppleCare+ in 
>>>>>>>>>> about a year, but so what?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank goodness your "life" wasn't "disrupted"...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <eyeroll>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yep, no need to go back in a week or so, pickup a replacement, 
>>>>>>>> restore, and tweak settings. Replacement is much easier than 
>>>>>>>> Android, but still takes some time. That will happen fairly soon 
>>>>>>>> though when the battery (in truth, the whole iPad) will be 
>>>>>>>> replaced under AppleCare+. That will likely not be the last such 
>>>>>>>> incident until it runs out of AppleCare+ coverage. Since it was 
>>>>>>>> sold by Apple until May 2024 AppleCare+ should last until April 
>>>>>>>> 2031. Am I right about that? Almost 5 more years?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Would you like a fan to prevent you from getting the vapours?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just another dose of Fakerboy's abusive rhetoric.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh my, you are such a fragile little flower, aren't you?
>>>>
>>>> OMG, the lengths you have gone to to support your inflated opinion 
>>>> of your FF racing days! Fragile little flower aren't you?
>>>
>>> What in the world is that dodge, Liarboy?
>>>
>>> I have no inflated opinion.
>>>
>>> I have the respect of my peers.
>>>
>>> That's why they made me an instructor after only 4 seasons of racing.
>>>
>>> :-)
>>
>> There is an old saying attributed to George Bernard Shaw: "Those who 
>> can, do; those who can't, teach" that is true in this instance.
> 
> Except, as amply demonstrated over 14 races in 2019, I CAN do.
> 
> Against a driver you classed as "exceptional", across 14 races where we 
> both finished, I completed the nearly 4 hours and 40 minutes of racing 
> in a shorter time; not much shorter—only 0.16% IIRC, but shorter.

Except that you were consistently beaten by the best two - McColl and 
Floer - you raced against. As in 1 or 2 wins out of too many races to count.

As for McKay -

I downloaded all 14 2019 races data. Three of those Dave lost badly. Of 
the remaining 11 closer races you finished ahead of Dave in 2, Dave 
ahead in 9, by out-driving you.

As always you only look at the data in a way that makes you look as good 
as possible.

 From 2019 forward you raced against historically weaker competition, if 
you raced at all.

Teaching and racing are different skill sets. I never said you are not a 
great teacher. But I do not know. Who were your pupils? Let's see how 
they performed. Failure to disclose is an admission of failure. How long 
were you an instructor? Tenure is another metric of success. Year or 
two, or still instructing?

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#149708

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2026-10-21 15:30 -0700
Message-ID<11bbeen$bti8$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#149705
On 2026-10-21 15:02, Tom Elam wrote:
> On 10/21/26 3:35 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2026-10-21 06:15, Tom Elam wrote:
>>> On 10/16/26 3:39 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2026-10-16 11:38, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>> On 10/15/26 12:22 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2026-10-15 03:49, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/14/26 8:10 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2026-10-14 15:27, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 10/14/26 4:24 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2026-10-14 12:59, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/14/26 11:22 AM, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a 2:40 reservation to have my iPad examined. Might 
>>>>>>>>>>>> just be a dirty charging port, but this morning it will not 
>>>>>>>>>>>> charge.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Results later.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Love the Apple Store folks. It was just a dirty port. But, 
>>>>>>>>>>> the tech also informed me that the battery is a 82%, and to 
>>>>>>>>>>> expect a message to bring it back in a few months for a new 
>>>>>>>>>>> battery. Since Apple does not actually replace batteries that 
>>>>>>>>>>> actually means a replacement iPad. All covered under 
>>>>>>>>>>> AppleCare+ For $20 a month for my iPhone 14 Pro, iPad 9th gen 
>>>>>>>>>>> and the MacBook Air.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> An old guy across from me at the store had a 10 year old iPad 
>>>>>>>>>>> the same charging issue. He left with a working iPad too, no 
>>>>>>>>>>> charge for fixing it. The wife's 7 year old iPad 7 is now 
>>>>>>>>>>> done with full update service. Not seeing any need to buy 
>>>>>>>>>>> another any time soon. I did not have a single Android tablet 
>>>>>>>>>>> that lasted more than 3 years. Hers with not be under 
>>>>>>>>>>> AppleCare+ in about a year, but so what?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thank goodness your "life" wasn't "disrupted"...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <eyeroll>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yep, no need to go back in a week or so, pickup a replacement, 
>>>>>>>>> restore, and tweak settings. Replacement is much easier than 
>>>>>>>>> Android, but still takes some time. That will happen fairly 
>>>>>>>>> soon though when the battery (in truth, the whole iPad) will be 
>>>>>>>>> replaced under AppleCare+. That will likely not be the last 
>>>>>>>>> such incident until it runs out of AppleCare+ coverage. Since 
>>>>>>>>> it was sold by Apple until May 2024 AppleCare+ should last 
>>>>>>>>> until April 2031. Am I right about that? Almost 5 more years?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Would you like a fan to prevent you from getting the vapours?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just another dose of Fakerboy's abusive rhetoric.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh my, you are such a fragile little flower, aren't you?
>>>>>
>>>>> OMG, the lengths you have gone to to support your inflated opinion 
>>>>> of your FF racing days! Fragile little flower aren't you?
>>>>
>>>> What in the world is that dodge, Liarboy?
>>>>
>>>> I have no inflated opinion.
>>>>
>>>> I have the respect of my peers.
>>>>
>>>> That's why they made me an instructor after only 4 seasons of racing.
>>>>
>>>> :-)
>>>
>>> There is an old saying attributed to George Bernard Shaw: "Those who 
>>> can, do; those who can't, teach" that is true in this instance.
>>
>> Except, as amply demonstrated over 14 races in 2019, I CAN do.
>>
>> Against a driver you classed as "exceptional", across 14 races where 
>> we both finished, I completed the nearly 4 hours and 40 minutes of 
>> racing in a shorter time; not much shorter—only 0.16% IIRC, but shorter.
> 
> Except that you were consistently beaten by the best two - McColl and 
> Floer - you raced against. As in 1 or 2 wins out of too many races to 
> count.

In an overweight car when I was still learning.

> 
> As for McKay -
> 
> I downloaded all 14 2019 races data. Three of those Dave lost badly. Of 
> the remaining 11 closer races you finished ahead of Dave in 2, Dave 
> ahead in 9, by out-driving you.

Where you get to draw "badly" to suit yourself. Certainly there were two 
races where Dave finished behind me by roughly 28 and 44 seconds (and 
where you just declared that it must have meant he had some kind of 
"problem")...

...but there were also three races where I finished behind Dave by 
signifcant numbers: roughly 25, 20, and 20.

Do you suppose that I was that far behind because of a "problem".

The fact remains that over close to 5 HOURS of racing, our overall 
finishing times were within 0.16% of each other.

How is it possible for you to contort that to mean that I'm a "mediocre 
driver"?

I also turned the second fastest lap EVER on the course layout before 
its recent renovation.

> 
> As always you only look at the data in a way that makes you look as good 
> as possible.

Irony.

> 
>  From 2019 forward you raced against historically weaker competition, if 
> you raced at all.
> 
> Teaching and racing are different skill sets. I never said you are not a 
> great teacher. But I do not know. Who were your pupils? Let's see how 
> they performed. Failure to disclose is an admission of failure. How long 
> were you an instructor? Tenure is another metric of success. Year or 
> two, or still instructing?

I was invited to join the RDC in after the end of the 2016 season, 
before I even had a car that was competitive.

So my tenure is from 2017 to date.

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#149715

FromBrock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com>
Date2026-10-21 16:48 -0700
Message-ID<1792626519.9796BDB3@gmail.com>
In reply to#149708
On Oct 21, 2026 at 3:30 PM, Alan wrote in 11bbeen$bti8$1@dont-email.me:
> On 2026-10-21 15:02, Tom Elam wrote:
>> On 10/21/26 3:35 PM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2026-10-21 06:15, Tom Elam wrote:
<snip 70 lines>
>>>
>>> Except, as amply demonstrated over 14 races in 2019, I CAN do.
>>>
>>> Against a driver you classed as "exceptional", across 14 races where
>>> we both finished, I completed the nearly 4 hours and 40 minutes of
>>> racing in a shorter time; not much shorter—only 0.16% IIRC, but
>>> shorter.
>>
>> Except that you were consistently beaten by the best two - McColl and
>> Floer - you raced against. As in 1 or 2 wins out of too many races to
>> count.
> 
> In an overweight car when I was still learning.

I think it is great you have this experience. As much as you and I do
not always get along you will not see me mocking you for it.




-- 
It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at
peace with you.

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#149722

FromTom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com>
Date2026-10-22 08:10 -0400
Message-ID<11bcueq$qr3i$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#149708
On 10/21/26 6:30 PM, Alan wrote:
> Dave finished behind me by roughly 28 and 44 seconds (and where you just 
> declared that it must have meant he had some kind of "problem")...
> 
> ...but there were also three races where I finished behind Dave by 
> signifcant numbers: roughly 25, 20, and 20.
> 
> Do you suppose that I was that far behind because of a "problem".
> 
> The fact remains that over close to 5 HOURS of racing, our overall 
> finishing times were within 0.16% of each other.
> 
> How is it possible for you to contort that to mean that I'm a "mediocre 
> driver"?
> 
> I also turned the second fastest lap EVER on the course layout before 
> its recent renovation.

A fast lap is no indicator of your overall record.

You cherry-pick numbers to make you look good while ignoring the bigger 
picture. Use of statistics to tell lies.

Worst of all you are Donald Trump incarnate. Slam anybody who disagrees 
and hope it sticks.

Fakerboy is the perfect moniker.

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#149723

From-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
Date2026-10-22 08:54 -0400
Message-ID<11bd11v$rqkb$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#149722
On 10/22/26 08:10, Tom Elam wrote:
> On 10/21/26 6:30 PM, Alan wrote:
>> Dave finished behind me by roughly 28 and 44 seconds (and where you 
>> just declared that it must have meant he had some kind of "problem")...
>>
>> ...but there were also three races where I finished behind Dave by 
>> signifcant numbers: roughly 25, 20, and 20.
>>
>> Do you suppose that I was that far behind because of a "problem".
>>
>> The fact remains that over close to 5 HOURS of racing, our overall 
>> finishing times were within 0.16% of each other.
>>
>> How is it possible for you to contort that to mean that I'm a 
>> "mediocre driver"?
>>
>> I also turned the second fastest lap EVER on the course layout before 
>> its recent renovation.
> 
> A fast lap is no indicator of your overall record.

Except that by the reasonable person standard, whoever holds a track 
record would be considered to be an 'exceptional' driver...right?  /s


> You cherry-pick numbers to make you look good while ignoring the bigger 
> picture. Use of statistics to tell lies.

"Pot, Kettle..." applies.


BTW, this morning is the last day to put in a bid for today's new issue 
5 year TIPS auction; latest estimated 'real yield' is a shade over 2.5%


-hh

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#149725

FromTom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com>
Date2026-10-22 09:23 -0400
Message-ID<11bd2p9$sfck$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#149723
On 10/22/26 8:54 AM, -hh wrote:
> BTW, this morning is the last day to put in a bid for today's new issue 
> 5 year TIPS auction; latest estimated 'real yield' is a shade over 2.5%

I have a few hundred grand in a fund that is paying 14%+ APR dividend 
yield. That income is not in AGI at all. Yes, it is legal and publicly 
traded. I think I'll pass on the TIPS "opportunity". Even if it was in 
AGI it would still beat 2.5% tax-free.

I also have a few hundred grand in a fund paying ~12% yield that is OI 
in AGI. It beats 2.5% too.

Both funds NAV's are tracking well against the NASDAQ and S&P 500 index 
funds too.

No, I am not going to tell you what they are.

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#149739

From-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
Date2026-10-22 13:33 -0400
Message-ID<11bdhe6$12kjc$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#149725
On 10/22/26 09:23, Tom Elam wrote:
> On 10/22/26 8:54 AM, -hh wrote:
>> BTW, this morning is the last day to put in a bid for today's new 
>> issue 5 year TIPS auction; latest estimated 'real yield' is a shade 
>> over 2.5%
> 
> I have a few hundred grand in a fund that is paying 14%+ APR dividend 
> yield. That income is not in AGI at all. Yes, it is legal and publicly 
> traded. 

I have one that's the same ... but unlike Treasuries, I understand that 
it has a different and meaningful principle loss risk.

One that I don't have which has this erosion problem is MSTY.  Its 
headline +25% yield looks great until we see that in the fine print its 
share price has dropped by -50% YTD:

that's a "pay in $100, get just ($25+$50) = $75 back".


> I think I'll pass on the TIPS "opportunity". Even if it was in 
> AGI it would still beat 2.5% tax-free.
> I also have a few hundred grand in a fund paying ~12% yield that is OI > in AGI. It beats 2.5% too.

Seems that you're overlooking that TIPS yield is above inflation.  So if 
Inflation goes back up to ~9%, a +2.25% Real Yield TIPS means that the 
payout rate is ~11.25%.
> Both funds NAV's are tracking well against the NASDAQ and S&P 500 
> index funds too.

Which is great so long as the NASDAQ or SP500 don't drop, of course...

...and meantime, the NASDAQ is -4% Month over Month, and the AI bubble 
hasn't even popped yet.


> No, I am not going to tell you what they are.

But of course you won't.

Just like how you've deliberately cherry-picked this aside to try to 
distract and avoid the first part of my post, namely:

"Except that by the reasonable person standard, whoever holds a track 
record would be considered to be an 'exceptional' driver...right?"


-hh

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