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| Started by | Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> |
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| First post | 2026-10-16 08:50 -0700 |
| Last post | 2026-10-23 12:50 -0400 |
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Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-16 08:50 -0700
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-16 09:40 -0700
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-10-16 18:57 +0200
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-16 10:02 -0700
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-16 13:56 -0400
Apple iPhone Duo preorder frenzy (was Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster) John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-10-18 14:02 +0200
Re: Apple iPhone Duo preorder frenzy (was Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster) John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-10-18 14:10 +0200
Re: Apple iPhone Duo preorder frenzy (was Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-10-19 11:18 +1300
Re: Apple iPhone Duo preorder frenzy (was Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster) Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-19 19:47 -0400
Re: Apple iPhone Duo preorder frenzy (was Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster) Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 07:16 +0000
Re: Apple iPhone Duo preorder frenzy (was Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster) Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-20 12:47 -0400
Re: Apple iPhone Duo preorder frenzy (was Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster) Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 09:54 -0700
Re: Apple iPhone Duo preorder frenzy (was Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-20 10:01 -0700
Re: Apple iPhone Duo preorder frenzy (was Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster) Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 19:10 +0000
Re: Apple iPhone Duo preorder frenzy (was Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster) John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-10-20 21:16 +0200
Re: Apple iPhone Duo preorder frenzy (was Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster) Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-20 15:42 -0400
Re: Apple iPhone Duo preorder frenzy (was Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-20 13:56 -0700
Re: Apple iPhone Duo preorder frenzy (was Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster) Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-21 07:20 +0000
Re: Apple iPhone Duo preorder frenzy (was Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-21 12:48 -0700
Re: Apple iPhone Duo preorder frenzy (was Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster) Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-22 12:02 -0400
Re: Apple iPhone Duo preorder frenzy (was Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-20 01:01 -0700
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-17 08:43 +0000
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-17 13:06 -0400
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-17 21:07 +0000
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-17 21:40 -0400
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-17 21:13 -0700
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-18 15:10 +0000
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-18 08:15 -0700
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-20 13:06 -0400
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-10-20 19:13 +0200
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-20 13:26 -0400
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-10-20 19:43 +0200
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-20 15:02 -0400
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-10-20 21:10 +0200
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-20 15:28 -0400
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 12:32 -0700
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-10-20 21:42 +0200
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-20 17:33 -0400
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-20 17:45 -0400
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-20 14:55 -0700
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-21 07:29 +0000
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-21 12:33 -0400
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-10-21 18:47 +0200
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-21 13:35 -0400
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-10-21 19:43 +0200
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-10-21 18:55 +0200
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-21 13:33 -0400
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-10-21 19:38 +0200
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-21 12:30 -0700
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-21 21:36 +0000
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-21 18:23 -0400
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-22 20:05 +0000
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-23 13:26 -0400
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-20 10:46 -0700
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-10-20 19:52 +0200
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-10-20 19:55 +0200
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 11:36 -0700
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-10-20 21:05 +0200
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 12:18 -0700
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Nick Charles <none@none.none> - 2026-10-20 19:11 +0000
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 12:17 -0700
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-20 15:11 -0400
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-10-20 21:21 +0200
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-20 15:36 -0400
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-10-20 21:54 +0200
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-20 17:55 -0400
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-10-20 20:10 +0200
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-20 15:19 -0400
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-10-20 21:38 +0200
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-20 17:50 -0400
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-20 14:56 -0700
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 22:30 +0000
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-20 20:56 -0400
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-21 07:20 +0000
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-21 12:44 -0400
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-21 19:06 +0000
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-21 17:06 -0400
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 20:54 +0000
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-20 14:12 -0700
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-20 17:52 -0400
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 22:30 +0000
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-20 20:56 -0400
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-21 07:09 +0000
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-21 13:04 -0400
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-10-21 19:12 +0200
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-21 13:58 -0400
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-21 12:26 -0700
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-10-21 21:56 +0200
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-21 17:10 -0400
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-21 15:32 -0700
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-10-22 12:51 +0200
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-22 12:00 -0400
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-10-22 18:06 +0200
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-23 13:02 -0400
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-10-23 19:15 +0200
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-23 13:33 -0400
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 10:55 -0700
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-10-23 20:16 +0200
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 11:18 -0700
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-24 10:09 -0400
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 10:55 -0700
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-21 21:21 +0000
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-21 17:50 -0400
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-22 19:51 +0000
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-23 12:58 -0400
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-10-21 10:47 +1300
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 10:27 -0700
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-18 06:43 +0000
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-19 19:32 -0400
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 06:31 +0000
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-20 13:13 -0400
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-20 10:18 -0700
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-18 14:11 -0700
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 11:08 -0400
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-20 12:03 -0400
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-20 13:39 -0400
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 11:12 -0400
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-10-23 09:50 +0200
Re: Apple's iPhone Duo Repair Prices Are Out, and Dropping This $2,000 Foldable Could Be a Financial Disaster Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-23 12:50 -0400
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| From | Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-20 22:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <11b8q2q$3eci9$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #149648 |
Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> wrote: > Chris wrote: >>> For the Windows newsgroup, I'm testing all the free no-registration LLMs, >>> where I am scheduled to test easemate today, so this is the first query: >>> <https://www.easemate.ai/webapp/chat?from=ai-chat> >>> >>> Pops this query into that LLM and tell us what you get as the output? >> >> Lol. Asking an LLM is the refuge of those who can't support their own >> arguments. > > And yet, I've been proving this claim for a decade, well before LLMs Chris. A genuine proof only needs doing once. You've spent a decade proving nothing. The EU now has the data which evidences why you're wrong. Take a Class A 5,000 mAh phone and compare it to a Class C 5,000 mAh model. What do you get? Hint: about 15-20% less endurance. Comparing best with worst - just within the 5,000 mAh models - is about 50% different. Using battery capacity as the main criterion is one dimensional thinking aka "brain dead".
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| From | Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-20 20:56 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <11b92kb$172c$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #149652 |
Chris wrote: >> And yet, I've been proving this claim for a decade, well before LLMs Chris. > > A genuine proof only needs doing once. You've spent a decade proving > nothing. The EU now has the data which evidences why you're wrong. > > Take a Class A 5,000 mAh phone and compare it to a Class C 5,000 mAh model. > What do you get? > > Hint: about 15-20% less endurance. > > Comparing best with worst - just within the 5,000 mAh models - is about 50% > different. > > Using battery capacity as the main criterion is one dimensional thinking > aka "brain dead". Hi Chris, You saw the results in this thread below, Chris. yet, you say they're wrong. Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,uk.telecom.mobile Subject: EU standards compare Apple iPhone 17 Pro Max & Samsung Galaxy S26 Ultra battery lifetime Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2026 23:30:04 -0600 Message-ID: <10rsggs$2vhk$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> There is an intelligent reason I refer to you as a religious zealot, Chris. Your firmly held belief system is built on Apple's marketing claims & nothing else. There is no way to prove anything factual to you religious zealot nutcases.
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| From | Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-21 07:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <11b9ofh$3mu6i$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #149658 |
Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> wrote: > Chris wrote: >>> And yet, I've been proving this claim for a decade, well before LLMs Chris. >> >> A genuine proof only needs doing once. You've spent a decade proving >> nothing. The EU now has the data which evidences why you're wrong. >> >> Take a Class A 5,000 mAh phone and compare it to a Class C 5,000 mAh model. >> What do you get? >> >> Hint: about 15-20% less endurance. >> >> Comparing best with worst - just within the 5,000 mAh models - is about 50% >> different. >> >> Using battery capacity as the main criterion is one dimensional thinking >> aka "brain dead". > > Hi Chris, > > You saw the results in this thread below, Chris. yet, you say they're wrong. Yes. As per usual you're making invalid assumptions. > Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,uk.telecom.mobile > Subject: EU standards compare Apple iPhone 17 Pro Max & Samsung Galaxy > S26 Ultra battery lifetime > Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2026 23:30:04 -0600 > Message-ID: <10rsggs$2vhk$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> > > There is an intelligent reason I refer to you as a religious zealot, Chris. > > Your firmly held belief system is built on Apple's marketing claims & nothing else. > > There is no way to prove anything factual to you religious zealot nutcases. Projection. You wouldn't recognise a fact if it shat on your bed.
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| From | Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-21 13:04 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <11baras$2k35$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #149661 |
Chris wrote:
>> There is no way to prove anything factual to you religious zealot nutcases.
>
> Projection. You wouldn't recognise a fact if it shat on your bed.
These are facts using similar phones which we chose blind in April, before
we ran the calculations based only EU specifications, which we agreed on.
iPhone 17 Pro Max hrs of runtime per charge cycle = 18.87 hours
Samsung S26 Ultra hrs of runtime per charge cycle = 21.82 hours
*Winner = Samsung (+15.6%)*
iPhone 17 Pro Max endurance per charge = 53 hours
Samsung S26 Ultra endurance per charge = 55 hours
*Winner = Samsung (+3.8%)*
iPhone 17 Pro Max efficiency (hrs/Ah) = 11.04
Samsung S26 Ultra efficiency (hrs/Ah) = 11.33
*Winner = Samsung (+2.6%)*
iPhone 17 Pro Max calendar life (calculated) = ~6.05 years
Samsung S26 Ultra calendar life (calculated) = ~7.53 years
*Winner = Samsung (24.5%)*
Why do you think, given Apple's brilliant marketing spews efficiency 12
times in every 9-page iPhone datasheet, that this iPhone sucks compared to
this comparable Samsung?
Where exactly did Apple cheap out?
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| From | John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-10-21 19:12 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <11barqa$4qv3$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #149674 |
On 21/10/2026 19:04, Maria Sophia wrote: > iPhone 17 Pro Max hrs of runtime per charge cycle = 18.87 hours > Samsung S26 Ultra hrs of runtime per charge cycle = 21.82 hours > *Winner = Samsung (+15.6%)* However, in the real world and not the back of a napkin: Apple iPhone 17 Pro Max 17:58h 24:26h 15:33h 25:41h 12:08h 17:58h Samsung Galaxy S26 Ultra 16:23h 37:44h 13:01h 24:48h 9:42h 16:23h For shit and giggles, let's add the more recent model as well: Apple iPhone 18 Pro Max 19:20h 31:23h 17:13h 26:12h 12:09h 19:20h -- Static tumblelog generator: https://github.com/john-bokma/tumblelog/ Available as Python or Perl. Example tumblelog: https://plurrrr.com/
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| From | Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-10-21 13:58 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <11baugk$22l6$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #149676 |
John Bokma wrote: >> iPhone 17 Pro Max hrs of runtime per charge cycle = 18.87 hours >> Samsung S26 Ultra hrs of runtime per charge cycle = 21.82 hours >> *Winner = Samsung (+15.6%)* > > However, in the real world and not the back of a napkin: > > Apple iPhone 17 Pro Max 17:58h 24:26h 15:33h 25:41h 12:08h 17:58h > Samsung Galaxy S26 Ultra 16:23h 37:44h 13:01h 24:48h 9:42h 16:23h > > For shit and giggles, let's add the more recent model as well: > > Apple iPhone 18 Pro Max 19:20h 31:23h 17:13h 26:12h 12:09h 19:20h For some strange reason, even after discussing this topic on the Apple and Android newsgroups for about a decade, some people just can't get into their heads that battery lifetime is measured in years, not in hours. Sigh... they prove me right every time... Apple religious zealot nutcases defend Apple to the death, no matter what, using the first inane excuse that they can possibly think of, even when their argument is the wrong metric (i.e., hours versus years). What's no longer astounding, you can explain that an hour isn't the same as a year for a decade, and still, the Apple religious zealots don't get it. Reminds me of when Snit claimed a megabit was the same as a decibel, simply because he saw a moving graph, so, to Apple zealots, that's the same thing! *Snit video purportedly proving that a decibel is a megabitperseconde!* <https://youtu.be/7QaABa6DFIo> *It's a fact iOS devices can't even graph Wi-Fi signal strength over time* <https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/PZuec56EWB0> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/PZuec56EWB0>
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| From | Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-21 12:26 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1792610761.841F7478@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #149686 |
On Oct 21, 2026 at 10:58 AM, Maria Sophia wrote in 11baugk$22l6$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com: > John Bokma wrote: >>> iPhone 17 Pro Max hrs of runtime per charge cycle = 18.87 hours >>> Samsung S26 Ultra hrs of runtime per charge cycle = 21.82 hours >>> *Winner = Samsung (+15.6%)* >> >> However, in the real world and not the back of a napkin: >> >> Apple iPhone 17 Pro Max 17:58h 24:26h 15:33h 25:41h 12:08h 17:58h >> Samsung Galaxy S26 Ultra 16:23h 37:44h 13:01h 24:48h 9:42h 16:23h >> >> For shit and giggles, let's add the more recent model as well: >> >> Apple iPhone 18 Pro Max 19:20h 31:23h 17:13h 26:12h 12:09h 19:20h > > For some strange reason, even after discussing this topic on the Apple > and Android newsgroups for about a decade, some people just can't get > into their heads that battery lifetime is measured in years, not in > hours. Both matter. I want my phone to go all day, and not have to replace the battery often. Simple. > > Sigh... they prove me right every time... > > Apple religious zealot nutcases defend Apple to the death, no matter > what, using the first inane excuse that they can possibly think of, > even when their argument is the wrong metric (i.e., hours versus > years). > > What's no longer astounding, you can explain that an hour isn't the > same as a year for a decade, and still, the Apple religious zealots > don't get it. > > Reminds me of when Snit claimed a megabit was the same as a decibel, > simply because he saw a moving graph, so, to Apple zealots, that's the > same thing! Yet you cannot quote me saying such a thing. > > *Snit video purportedly proving that a decibel is a > megabitperseconde!* <https://youtu.be/7QaABa6DFIo> > *It's a fact iOS devices can't even graph Wi-Fi signal strength over > time* > <https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/PZuec56EWB0> > > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/PZuec56EWB0> > Look at the video. It says no such thing. You simply fail to understand what you see and hear and read. -- It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.
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| From | John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-21 21:56 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <11bb5d1$8ipq$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #149686 |
On 21/10/2026 19:58, Maria Sophia wrote: > For some strange reason, even after discussing this topic on the Apple and > Android newsgroups for about a decade, You still don't have a clue... That's not a strange reason, that's just plain ignorance on your side. -- Static tumblelog generator: https://github.com/john-bokma/tumblelog/ Available as Python or Perl. Example tumblelog: https://plurrrr.com/
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| From | Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-10-21 17:10 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <11bb9on$1kr$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #149697 |
John Bokma wrote: >> For some strange reason, even after discussing this topic on the Apple and >> Android newsgroups for about a decade, > > You still don't have a clue... That's not a strange reason, that's just > plain ignorance on your side. Only you Apple nutcases can't comprehend an hour isn't the same as a year. And you only make that absurd mistake when defending Apple to the death. Using the first absurdly inane excuse that pops into your head. You prove me right about you with every post. Sigh...
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| From | Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-10-21 15:32 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1792621931.A5A44103@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #149700 |
On Oct 21, 2026 at 2:10 PM, Maria Sophia wrote in 11bb9on$1kr$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com: > John Bokma wrote: >>> For some strange reason, even after discussing this topic on the >>> Apple and Android newsgroups for about a decade, >> >> You still don't have a clue... That's not a strange reason, that's >> just plain ignorance on your side. > > Only you Apple nutcases can't comprehend an hour isn't the same as a > year. You are the only one who seems confused about that. Seriously, quote ANYONE else who showed any confusion. If you cannot, well, then it is you. > > And you only make that absurd mistake when defending Apple to the > death. But you cannot quote it. > > Using the first absurdly inane excuse that pops into your head. > > You prove me right about you with every post. > > Sigh... > -- It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.
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| From | John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-22 12:51 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <11bcpse$p05a$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #149700 |
On 21/10/2026 23:10, Maria Sophia wrote: > John Bokma wrote: >>> For some strange reason, even after discussing this topic on the Apple and >>> Android newsgroups for about a decade, >> >> You still don't have a clue... That's not a strange reason, that's just >> plain ignorance on your side. > > Only you Apple nutcases can't comprehend an hour isn't the same as a year. Once again, your so called kill time ASSumes that a battery is perfect. It isn't. -- Static tumblelog generator: https://github.com/john-bokma/tumblelog/ Available as Python or Perl. Example tumblelog: https://plurrrr.com/
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| From | Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-22 12:00 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <11bdbvd$312m$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #149721 |
John Bokma wrote: >> Only you Apple nutcases can't comprehend an hour isn't the same as a year. > > Once again, your so called kill time ASSumes that a battery is perfect. > It isn't. You prove me right every time you Apple religious zealots defend Apple. Every absurd excuse is the first inane thought that pops into your head.
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| From | John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-22 18:06 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <11bdcau$10duc$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #149733 |
On 22/10/2026 18:00, Maria Sophia wrote: > John Bokma wrote: >>> Only you Apple nutcases can't comprehend an hour isn't the same as a year. >> >> Once again, your so called kill time ASSumes that a battery is perfect. >> It isn't. [nothing] Still foaming at the mouth, I see. And still wrong. -- Static tumblelog generator: https://github.com/john-bokma/tumblelog/ Available as Python or Perl. Example tumblelog: https://plurrrr.com/
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| From | Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-23 13:02 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <11bg3vi$1phr$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #149735 |
John Bokma wrote: > And still wrong. Your only argument (to defend Apple to the death) is all facts are wrong? You Apple religious zealot nutcases prove me right about you in every post.
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| From | John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-23 19:15 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <11bg4ns$20hls$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #149763 |
On 23/10/2026 19:02, Maria Sophia wrote: > John Bokma wrote: >> And still wrong. > > Your only argument (to defend Apple to the death) is all facts are wrong? Your napkin calculations of so called kill time are practically wrong, making your whole argument using them wrong. -- Static tumblelog generator: https://github.com/john-bokma/tumblelog/ Available as Python or Perl. Example tumblelog: https://plurrrr.com/
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| From | Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-23 13:33 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <11bg5oq$857$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #149764 |
John Bokma wrote:
>> Your only argument (to defend Apple to the death) is all facts are wrong?
>
> Your napkin calculations of so called kill time are practically wrong,
> making your whole argument using them wrong.
You Apple nutcases prove me right about you every time you post.
It's easy to tell you have no education because you saying everything is
wrong is not how you pass a test. Even in high school, you'd flunk out.
When a normal person claims a calculation is wrong, they give what they
think is the correct calculation, but not you Apple religious zealots.
All you Apple religiouz zealots simply say any calcualtion which doesn't
show Apple in a good light... is wrong...
You don't say how.
You don't say why.
You certainly don't provide any "corrected" calculations.
*You just say every fact about Apple you don't like... is wrong.*
Why must you Apple religious zealot nutjobs prove me right all the time?
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| From | Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-10-23 10:55 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1792778131.5D8D6698@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #149767 |
On Oct 23, 2026 at 10:33 AM, Maria Sophia wrote in 11bg5oq$857$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com: > John Bokma wrote: >>> Your only argument (to defend Apple to the death) is all facts are >>> wrong? >> >> Your napkin calculations of so called kill time are practically >> wrong, making your whole argument using them wrong. > > You Apple nutcases prove me right about you every time you post. > > It's easy to tell you have no education because you saying everything > is wrong is not how you pass a test. Even in high school, you'd flunk > out. > > When a normal person claims a calculation is wrong, they give what > they think is the correct calculation, but not you Apple religious > zealots. > > All you Apple religiouz zealots simply say any calcualtion which > doesn't show Apple in a good light... is wrong... > > You don't say how. > You don't say why. > > You certainly don't provide any "corrected" calculations. > > *You just say every fact about Apple you don't like... is wrong.* > > Why must you Apple religious zealot nutjobs prove me right all the > time? > GIGO -- It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.
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| From | John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-23 20:16 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <11bg89n$224co$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #149767 |
On 23/10/2026 19:33, Maria Sophia wrote: [..]> It's easy to tell you have no education because you saying everything is > wrong is not how you pass a test. Even in high school, you'd flunk out. > > When a normal person claims a calculation is wrong, they give what they > think is the correct calculation, but not you Apple religious zealots. I clearly stated that your calculation is wrong because it doesn't take into account the temperature, the natural aging of the battery, non-linearity of aging, and how it is *actually* used. [snip, rest of childish insults] " Sure. Here’s what’s wrong with the “Kill Time = Total Life Cycles / Daily Cycles” calculation when it comes to real-world battery usage: 1. It ignores calendar aging entirely Batteries degrade even when not being used — the chemistry inside the electrolyte and electrodes breaks down over time regardless of cycle count. As we discussed earlier: a 1-year-old battery with 150 cycles will almost always outperform a 5-year-old battery with the same 150 cycles. Your formula (1,200 cycles ÷ 0.436/day ≈ 7.5 years) implicitly assumes only cycles matter — but by 7.5 years, the battery will have aged chemically regardless of whether it ever actually reaches 1,200 cycles. 2. “Daily cycles” derived from the EU endurance test is an unrealistic proxy for real usage The 55-hour figure comes from a standardized lab test (continuous use until full depletion in one go). Nobody uses a phone for 55 hours straight and then charges once. Most people charge daily, often overnight, with a partial discharge (say, 60% down to 100%, not 0% to 100%). That shifts real-world cycle accumulation in two opposing ways the formula doesn’t capture: More frequent partial charges can be less stressful per cycle than one deep full discharge (partial cycles count only partially toward a “full” cycle). But sitting at 100% overnight more often increases degradation from high state-of-charge exposure — something the formula doesn’t account for at all. 3. 80% capacity isn’t “death” — it’s an arbitrary industry threshold “Kill time” implies the battery stops functioning at that point. It doesn’t — the phone keeps working fine well past 80%, often for years, just with noticeably shorter battery life per day. There’s no hard “death” cliff at cycle 1,200; degradation is continuous, not a sudden drop-off. 4. Degradation isn’t linear The cycle rating (1,200 to 80%) reflects an average under controlled test conditions (fixed temperature, fixed charging protocol). In practice, degradation often accelerates past a certain point — especially from heat and fast charging — rather than proceeding evenly the way the formula implies. 5. Usage patterns vary significantly over a device’s lifetime A new device often gets heavier use (novelty effect), seasons change heat exposure, and software updates shift power draw — so “daily cycles” isn’t the constant the formula treats it as. Bottom line: the formula treats battery wear as a simple, linear, time-independent cycle problem, when in reality it’s a combination of cycle wear and calendar aging and temperature/charging behavior — three factors that compound each other, not cleanly divide into one tidy number. " -- Static tumblelog generator: https://github.com/john-bokma/tumblelog/ Available as Python or Perl. Example tumblelog: https://plurrrr.com/
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| From | Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-10-23 11:18 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1792779531.D9BEE5B3@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #149770 |
On Oct 23, 2026 at 11:16 AM, John Bokma wrote in 11bg89n$224co$1@dont-email.me: > On 23/10/2026 19:33, Maria Sophia wrote: > > [..]> It's easy to tell you have no education because you saying > everything is >> wrong is not how you pass a test. Even in high school, you'd flunk >> out. >> >> When a normal person claims a calculation is wrong, they give what >> they think is the correct calculation, but not you Apple religious >> zealots. > > I clearly stated that your calculation is wrong because it doesn't > take into account the temperature, the natural aging of the battery, > non-linearity of aging, and how it is *actually* used. And he snipped it all. > > [snip, rest of childish insults] > > " > Sure. Here's what's wrong with the "Kill Time = Total Life Cycles / > Daily Cycles" calculation when it comes to real-world battery usage: > > 1. It ignores calendar aging entirely > Batteries degrade even when not being used — the chemistry inside the > electrolyte and electrodes breaks down over time regardless of cycle > count. As we discussed earlier: a 1-year-old battery with 150 cycles > will almost always outperform a 5-year-old battery with the same 150 > cycles. Your formula (1,200 cycles ÷ 0.436/day ≈ 7.5 years) implicitly > assumes only cycles matter — but by 7.5 years, the battery will have > aged chemically regardless of whether it ever actually reaches 1,200 > cycles. > > 2. "Daily cycles" derived from the EU endurance test is an unrealistic > proxy for real usage The 55-hour figure comes from a standardized lab > test (continuous use until full depletion in one go). Nobody uses a > phone for 55 hours straight and then charges once. Most people charge > daily, often overnight, with a partial discharge (say, 60% down to > 100%, not 0% to 100%). That shifts real-world cycle accumulation in > two opposing ways the formula doesn't capture: > > More frequent partial charges can be less stressful per cycle than one > deep full discharge (partial cycles count only partially toward a > "full" cycle). But sitting at 100% overnight more often increases > degradation from high state-of-charge exposure — something the formula > doesn't account for at all. > > 3. 80% capacity isn't "death" — it's an arbitrary industry threshold > "Kill time" implies the battery stops functioning at that point. It > doesn't — the phone keeps working fine well past 80%, often for years, > just with noticeably shorter battery life per day. There's no hard > "death" cliff at cycle 1,200; degradation is continuous, not a sudden > drop-off. > > 4. Degradation isn't linear > The cycle rating (1,200 to 80%) reflects an average under controlled > test conditions (fixed temperature, fixed charging protocol). In > practice, degradation often accelerates past a certain point — > especially from heat and fast charging — rather than proceeding evenly > the way the formula implies. > > 5. Usage patterns vary significantly over a device's lifetime A new > device often gets heavier use (novelty effect), seasons change heat > exposure, and software updates shift power draw — so "daily cycles" > isn't the constant the formula treats it as. > > Bottom line: the formula treats battery wear as a simple, linear, > time-independent cycle problem, when in reality it's a combination of > cycle wear and calendar aging and temperature/charging behavior — > three factors that compound each other, not cleanly divide into one > tidy number. " More evidence / reasoning than he ever shares. -- It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.
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| From | Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-10-24 10:09 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <11bie77$2gp3$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #149770 |
John Bokma wrote:
>> When a normal person claims a calculation is wrong, they give what they
>> think is the correct calculation, but not you Apple religious zealots.
>
> I clearly stated that your calculation is wrong because it doesn't take
> into account the temperature, the natural aging of the battery,
> non-linearity of aging, and how it is *actually* used.
Again you prove me right, for a whole bunch of reasons, not the least of
which is all the numbers used were published for benchmark conditions, but
even more importantly, show us YOUR NUMBERS that show EU numbers as wrong.
You didn't,
becasue
You can't.
I always wonder what kind of strange people you zealots are, where I think
you hang out with other zealots who don't expect your idiocy to make sense.
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