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| Started by | "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> |
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| First post | 2015-10-15 11:33 -0700 |
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cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> - 2015-10-15 11:33 -0700
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2015-10-15 11:40 -0700
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> - 2015-10-15 11:56 -0700
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> - 2015-10-15 12:21 -0700
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2015-10-15 15:29 -0400
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> - 2015-10-15 12:36 -0700
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage Bob_Villa <pheeh.zero@gmail.com> - 2015-10-15 11:42 -0700
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage Bob_Villa <pheeh.zero@gmail.com> - 2015-10-15 11:43 -0700
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> - 2015-10-15 11:59 -0700
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> - 2015-10-15 14:41 -0500
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> - 2015-10-15 12:56 -0700
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2015-10-15 16:08 -0400
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> - 2015-10-15 13:42 -0700
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> - 2015-10-15 13:21 -0700
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-16 08:11 -0400
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> - 2015-10-16 20:13 -0700
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> - 2015-10-16 21:05 -0700
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-17 01:07 -0400
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-17 01:00 -0400
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> - 2015-10-16 23:03 -0700
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-17 08:19 -0400
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> - 2015-10-17 12:04 -0700
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2015-10-18 02:56 +0000
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-17 23:22 -0400
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2015-10-18 03:40 +0000
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-17 23:50 -0400
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2015-10-18 03:59 +0000
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage Onion Knight <onionknight@linuxmail.org> - 2015-10-18 11:14 -0400
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-18 11:17 -0400
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage Godzilla <godzilla@lizardboss.invalid> - 2015-10-18 15:24 +0000
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-18 17:06 -0400
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage Godzilla <godzilla@lizardboss.invalid> - 2015-10-18 22:22 +0000
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-18 11:18 -0400
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2015-10-18 21:01 +0000
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-18 17:10 -0400
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> - 2015-10-18 13:58 -0700
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-17 01:03 -0400
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-10-17 09:48 -0400
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-17 10:01 -0400
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> - 2015-10-20 07:50 -0700
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-20 12:21 -0400
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> - 2015-10-20 11:17 -0700
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-20 14:33 -0400
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> - 2015-10-20 11:54 -0700
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2015-10-20 12:54 -0700
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-20 16:00 -0400
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-20 16:01 -0400
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-20 16:03 -0400
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2015-10-20 14:32 -0700
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-20 19:51 -0400
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-20 16:04 -0400
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage Paul <nospam@needed.com> - 2015-10-20 19:29 -0400
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-20 20:03 -0400
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2015-10-21 00:10 -0700
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage Paul <nospam@needed.com> - 2015-10-21 03:31 -0400
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-21 08:40 -0400
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> - 2015-10-21 14:22 -0700
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage Paul <nospam@needed.com> - 2015-10-21 18:32 -0400
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> - 2015-10-21 18:43 -0700
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-21 08:30 -0400
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-21 08:30 -0400
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> - 2015-10-17 09:07 -0700
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2015-10-17 10:22 -0700
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> - 2015-10-17 11:39 -0700
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2015-10-17 12:21 -0700
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> - 2015-10-17 12:36 -0700
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2015-10-17 20:43 -0500
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage Paul <nospam@needed.com> - 2015-10-16 09:23 -0400
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> - 2015-10-16 09:37 -0700
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-10-16 09:39 -0700
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> - 2015-10-16 10:19 -0700
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2015-10-16 14:47 -0500
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2015-10-16 23:18 +0000
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-16 20:17 -0400
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2015-10-18 02:29 +0000
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-17 23:07 -0400
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2015-10-18 03:42 +0000
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-17 23:52 -0400
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2015-10-18 04:02 +0000
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-16 20:18 -0400
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2015-10-18 02:32 +0000
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-17 23:09 -0400
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-17 23:11 -0400
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2015-10-18 03:53 +0000
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-17 23:56 -0400
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2015-10-18 04:06 +0000
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-18 00:58 -0400
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2015-10-17 04:01 -0600
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-10-20 11:01 -0700
Re: cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-20 14:31 -0400
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| From | DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> |
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| Date | 2015-10-17 08:19 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <s6f42bdrv5396tfmfqpl4imrjo6e896ejq@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #2361 |
On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 23:03:30 -0700, "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> Gave us: > >"DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno" <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> wrote in message >news:38k32b1ogfs19c7grs8o28k7c24rf4b2ue@4ax.com... >> On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 20:13:29 -0700, "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> Gave us: >> >>>Any Universal 90W Notebook Power Adapter 19V recommendations? >> >> The Lenovo 90 Watt unit is nice, but you would have to put the right >> output plug onto it. > >I'm surprise that they don't have that ac adapter plug connector better >standardized. > They are standardized, but the maker gets to choose the one they want to use, and the plugs/jacks are not tied to a specific voltage to be fed, though there was a push toward that end in the beginning of the standard. They are in metric and Lenovo uses the biggest I've seen, and likely the right one for 19 Volts, but the other 19 V laptop makers might argue against that statement since most of them adopted a slightly smaller choice. So, there is a standard for the plug sizes and center pin diameters, but they are not tied to or standardized against a table of voltages. There are 5 and 12 volt "typical" choices, but they too are not set in stone. AND 19 Volts is a non-standard (as it were) DC supply source, so there is no plug size designated for it at all. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EIAJ_connector
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| From | "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> |
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| Date | 2015-10-17 12:04 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <mvu643$ghq$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #2362 |
"DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno" <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> wrote in message news:s6f42bdrv5396tfmfqpl4imrjo6e896ejq@4ax.com... > On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 23:03:30 -0700, "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> Gave us: > >> >>"DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno" <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> wrote in message >>news:38k32b1ogfs19c7grs8o28k7c24rf4b2ue@4ax.com... >>> On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 20:13:29 -0700, "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> Gave us: >>> >>>>Any Universal 90W Notebook Power Adapter 19V recommendations? >>> >>> The Lenovo 90 Watt unit is nice, but you would have to put the right >>> output plug onto it. >> >>I'm surprise that they don't have that ac adapter plug connector better >>standardized. >> > > They are standardized, but the maker gets to choose the one they want > to use, and the plugs/jacks are not tied to a specific voltage to be > fed, though there was a push toward that end in the beginning of the > standard. > > They are in metric and Lenovo uses the biggest I've seen, and likely > the right one for 19 Volts, but the other 19 V laptop makers might argue > against that statement since most of them adopted a slightly smaller > choice. > > So, there is a standard for the plug sizes and center pin diameters, > but they are not tied to or standardized against a table of voltages. > > There are 5 and 12 volt "typical" choices, but they too are not set in > stone. > > AND 19 Volts is a non-standard (as it were) DC supply source, so there > is no plug size designated for it at all. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EIAJ_connector Thanks, maybe I'm missing something but if desktops can be so nicely standardized, I don't see why laptop PSUs can't be standardized in a similar manner.
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| From | not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) |
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| Date | 2015-10-18 02:56 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mvv1oj$62e$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #2368 |
In comp.sys.laptops Adam <adam@no_thanks.com> wrote: > > Thanks, maybe I'm missing something but > if desktops can be so nicely standardized, > I don't see why laptop PSUs can't be standardized > in a similar manner. Probably because there's little commercial incentive, and as the laptop power connector is going to be exposed to your average "idiot user" even a voltage to plug standard wouldn't prevent someone having trouble because they try to use their 12V 4.5A laptop with the 12V 4A power supply from their old one. There'd have to be a long list of probably tens of power connectors designed for the different current ratings and voltages, or an electronic system for identifying the right power supply (I think some laptops might do this, but there's no industry standard). -- __ __ #_ < |\| |< _#
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| From | DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> |
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| Date | 2015-10-17 23:22 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <2h362bphku0unpsmn86i2u5lvolnl2shvc@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #2374 |
On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 02:56:21 +0000 (UTC), not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) Gave us: >In comp.sys.laptops Adam <adam@no_thanks.com> wrote: >> >> Thanks, maybe I'm missing something but >> if desktops can be so nicely standardized, >> I don't see why laptop PSUs can't be standardized >> in a similar manner. > >Probably because there's little commercial incentive, and as the >laptop power connector is going to be exposed to your average >"idiot user" even a voltage to plug standard wouldn't prevent >someone having trouble because they try to use their 12V 4.5A >laptop with the 12V 4A power supply from their old one. So what? Supplies are rarely chosen to be fully taxed at their rated output, and it is in fact dangerous to put one into a design that is. So picking one that puts out slightly less than the original is nearly always ok as long as it does not present too much ripple at its rated output. > There'd >have to be a long list of probably tens of power connectors >designed for the different current ratings and voltages, You obviously did not examine the link I posted about the current, most commonly used standard DC connector series. Much less know anything about it. > or >an electronic system for identifying the right power supply Huh? A PC with a 250 W supply can operate just as good as if you place a 1000W supply on it. They BOTH provide the same standard ATX voltages. The PC does not suddenly puke because a more capable supply was placed on the system. The system is the load, and the load does not magically change just because you changed the supply. >(I think some laptops might do this, but there's no industry >standard). Laptops test voltage because battery charging circuits require a minimum spec to operate without puking before their basic MTBF time. If the voltage is too low and they did not test, they would run too hot trying to provide the right charging voltage to the battery, which is higher than the battery's topped off full voltage level. Non-battery driven devices typically do not have a watchdog circuit in them. Although a good ATX power supply has circuits to shut down the supply when it senses a current surge on some of the rails after it has been brought up.
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| From | not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) |
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| Date | 2015-10-18 03:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mvv4b2$9sn$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #2378 |
In comp.sys.laptops DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@decadentlinuxuser.org> wrote: > On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 02:56:21 +0000 (UTC), not@telling.you.invalid > (Computer Nerd Kev) Gave us: > >>In comp.sys.laptops Adam <adam@no_thanks.com> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks, maybe I'm missing something but >>> if desktops can be so nicely standardized, >>> I don't see why laptop PSUs can't be standardized >>> in a similar manner. >> >>Probably because there's little commercial incentive, and as the >>laptop power connector is going to be exposed to your average >>"idiot user" even a voltage to plug standard wouldn't prevent >>someone having trouble because they try to use their 12V 4.5A >>laptop with the 12V 4A power supply from their old one. > > So what? Supplies are rarely chosen to be fully taxed at their rated > output, and it is in fact dangerous to put one into a design that is. Sigh, OK make my example 12V 4A and 12V 7A then. You don't want to have users eating into the safety margin anyway. > So picking one that puts out slightly less than the original is nearly > always ok as long as it does not present too much ripple at its rated > output. > >> There'd >>have to be a long list of probably tens of power connectors >>designed for the different current ratings and voltages, > > You obviously did not examine the link I posted about the current, > most commonly used standard DC connector series. Much less know > anything about it. True, I thought it was a reference for what you said about 19V power because of where you placed it in your post. But it does not prevent miss-matching current ratings (which is what the "tens" of different connectors would be for) and is not standard across all laptops. >> or >>an electronic system for identifying the right power supply > > Huh? A PC with a 250 W supply can operate just as good as if you > place a 1000W supply on it. They BOTH provide the same standard ATX > voltages. The PC does not suddenly puke because a more capable supply > was placed on the system. The system is the load, and the load does not > magically change just because you changed the supply. The right power supply is one with a high enough current rating. It is to prevent the laptop equivalent of someone putting in a 250W desktop PSU to replace a 1000W one. >>(I think some laptops might do this, but there's no industry >>standard). > > Laptops test voltage because battery charging circuits require a > minimum spec to operate without puking before their basic MTBF time. > If the voltage is too low and they did not test, they would run too hot > trying to provide the right charging voltage to the battery, which is > higher than the battery's topped off full voltage level. > > Non-battery driven devices typically do not have a watchdog circuit in > them. > > Although a good ATX power supply has circuits to shut down the supply > when it senses a current surge on some of the rails after it has been > brought up. Laptop PSUs should have current limiting in them too, but if a laptop is on the edge of the maximum current from a PSU, then it could shut down intermittently or have other problems, the cause of which may not be clear to the user. -- __ __ #_ < |\| |< _#
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| From | DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> |
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| Date | 2015-10-17 23:50 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <9e562bhm2kji7ji0lo77b3v4at9es37i9m@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #2379 |
On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 03:40:20 +0000 (UTC), not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) Gave us: >Laptop PSUs should have current limiting in them too, I did not say a damned thing about current limiting. It is surge sensing. If your PC is up with its 1000W supply only using 250W of it, and you try to add a hard drive while it is live, you can cause the entire supply to shut down, even though the HD and all of its inrush only taxed the rail a few more watts. It can also happen merely adding a CD or DVD reader as well. It is the change it senses, even if well below its max capacity. Hot swap supplies do not do this function. ATX supplies do. That is why they are so hard to use as a bench supply. > but if a laptop >is on the edge of the maximum current from a PSU, then it could shut >down intermittently or have other problems, the cause of which may not >be clear to the user. Hardly a difference one would experience in your example of a mere 0.5 amp differential. Now try to move the goal posts again.
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| From | not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) |
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| Date | 2015-10-18 03:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mvv5fm$b8p$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #2381 |
In comp.sys.laptops DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@decadentlinuxuser.org> wrote: > On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 03:40:20 +0000 (UTC), not@telling.you.invalid > (Computer Nerd Kev) Gave us: > >>Laptop PSUs should have current limiting in them too, > > I did not say a damned thing about current limiting. > > It is surge sensing. If your PC is up with its 1000W supply only > using 250W of it, and you try to add a hard drive while it is live, you > can cause the entire supply to shut down, even though the HD and all of > its inrush only taxed the rail a few more watts. It can also happen > merely adding a CD or DVD reader as well. It is the change it senses, > even if well below its max capacity. > > Hot swap supplies do not do this function. ATX supplies do. That is > why they are so hard to use as a bench supply. > >> but if a laptop >>is on the edge of the maximum current from a PSU, then it could shut >>down intermittently or have other problems, the cause of which may not >>be clear to the user. > > Hardly a difference one would experience in your example of a mere 0.5 > amp differential. Now try to move the goal posts again. You're clearly after an argument. I'm just suggesting the way that a standard for laptop power connectors could be implemented, bringing up largely irrelevant points isn't going to get anywhere whether they're right or not. -- __ __ #_ < |\| |< _#
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| From | Onion Knight <onionknight@linuxmail.org> |
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| Date | 2015-10-18 11:14 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <e25chbyj6tlu.b0t4m2gumc4$.dlg@40tude.net> |
| In reply to | #2385 |
On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 03:59:51 +0000 (UTC), Computer Nerd Kev wrote: > In comp.sys.laptops DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@decadentlinuxuser.org> wrote: >> On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 03:40:20 +0000 (UTC), not@telling.you.invalid >> (Computer Nerd Kev) Gave us: >> >>>Laptop PSUs should have current limiting in them too, >> >> I did not say a damned thing about current limiting. >> >> It is surge sensing. If your PC is up with its 1000W supply only >> using 250W of it, and you try to add a hard drive while it is live, you >> can cause the entire supply to shut down, even though the HD and all of >> its inrush only taxed the rail a few more watts. It can also happen >> merely adding a CD or DVD reader as well. It is the change it senses, >> even if well below its max capacity. >> >> Hot swap supplies do not do this function. ATX supplies do. That is >> why they are so hard to use as a bench supply. >> >>> but if a laptop >>>is on the edge of the maximum current from a PSU, then it could shut >>>down intermittently or have other problems, the cause of which may not >>>be clear to the user. >> >> Hardly a difference one would experience in your example of a mere 0.5 >> amp differential. Now try to move the goal posts again. > > You're clearly after an argument. I'm just suggesting the way that a > standard for laptop power connectors could be implemented, bringing > up largely irrelevant points isn't going to get anywhere whether > they're right or not. Defecant_Linux_Luser_Numero_Uno is a very angry person with some serious mental issues. He needs to make an appointment with a good shrink. It seems to be common in the Linux community for some odd reason. Anyway, here is a tear down of a cheap iPad adapter vs the real thing. It has nothing to do with being made in China and everything to do with being made to manufacturer's specifications vs something that is made as cheaply as possible and barely works. http://www.righto.com/2014/05/a-look-inside-ipad-chargers-pricey.html
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| From | DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> |
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| Date | 2015-10-18 11:17 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <vrd72bhtcmtej8u263d13hci4ij3pcv3uh@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #2389 |
On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 11:14:47 -0400, Onion Knight <onionknight@linuxmail.org> Gave us: >Defecant_Linux_Luser_Numero_Uno is a very angry person with some serious >mental issues. Fuck you, you retarded jackoff. Somebody should take a nice, splintery NYPD broomstick handle and shove it up your ass till it comes out your mouth. It appears that trip would only be a couple inches, however.
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| From | Godzilla <godzilla@lizardboss.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-10-18 15:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n00dj3$5v6$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #2390 |
On 2015-10-18, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno, published this proof of the Infinite Monkey Theorem: > On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 11:14:47 -0400, Onion Knight ><onionknight@linuxmail.org> Gave us: > >>Defecant_Linux_Luser_Numero_Uno is a very angry person with some serious >>mental issues. > > Fuck you, you retarded jackoff. First, the pick-up line. > > Somebody should take a nice, splintery NYPD broomstick handle and > shove it up your ass till it comes out your mouth. > Then the Decadumper has his way with you. > It appears that trip would only be a couple inches, however. Disappointing Decadumper, not even 3 inches. Must be a bitch to break a Viagra into 6 pieces. -- ♖ ♘ ♗ ♕ ♔ ♗ ♘ ♖
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| From | DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> |
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| Date | 2015-10-18 17:06 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <3d282b1frkjfvoca87d7nnqe79uu99viag@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #2392 |
On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 15:24:19 +0000 (UTC), Godzilla <godzilla@lizardboss.invalid> Gave us: >> It appears that trip would only be a couple inches, however. > >Disappointing Decadumper, not even 3 inches. >Must be a bitch to break a Viagra into 6 pieces. It is a reference to how far your head is up your ass, such that your asshole and your mouth are only a couple inches apart.. Nice try, though, punk.
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| From | Godzilla <godzilla@lizardboss.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-10-18 22:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n0162q$7vn$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #2395 |
On 2015-10-18, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno, published this proof of the Infinite Monkey Theorem: > On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 15:24:19 +0000 (UTC), Godzilla ><godzilla@lizardboss.invalid> Gave us: > >>> It appears that trip would only be a couple inches, however. >> >>Disappointing Decadumper, not even 3 inches. >>Must be a bitch to break a Viagra into 6 pieces. > > It is a reference to how far your head is up your ass, such that your > asshole and your mouth are only a couple inches apart.. > > Nice try, though, punk. It wasn't a reference to me at all, you trinket gathering poof. -- ♖ ♘ ♗ ♕ ♔ ♗ ♘ ♖
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| From | DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> |
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| Date | 2015-10-18 11:18 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <j0e72bti9vvcurombe6vsk07c1jtqoq39n@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #2389 |
On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 11:14:47 -0400, Onion Knight <onionknight@linuxmail.org> Gave us: > >Anyway, here is a tear down of a cheap iPad adapter vs the real thing. Oh look... The Apple retard thinks he is intelligent!
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| From | not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) |
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| Date | 2015-10-18 21:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n011be$9m7$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #2389 |
In comp.sys.laptops Onion Knight <onionknight@linuxmail.org> wrote: > On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 03:59:51 +0000 (UTC), Computer Nerd Kev wrote: > >> In comp.sys.laptops DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@decadentlinuxuser.org> wrote: >>> On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 03:40:20 +0000 (UTC), not@telling.you.invalid >>> (Computer Nerd Kev) Gave us: >>> >>>>Laptop PSUs should have current limiting in them too, >>> >>> I did not say a damned thing about current limiting. >>> >>> It is surge sensing. If your PC is up with its 1000W supply only >>> using 250W of it, and you try to add a hard drive while it is live, you >>> can cause the entire supply to shut down, even though the HD and all of >>> its inrush only taxed the rail a few more watts. It can also happen >>> merely adding a CD or DVD reader as well. It is the change it senses, >>> even if well below its max capacity. >>> >>> Hot swap supplies do not do this function. ATX supplies do. That is >>> why they are so hard to use as a bench supply. >>> >>>> but if a laptop >>>>is on the edge of the maximum current from a PSU, then it could shut >>>>down intermittently or have other problems, the cause of which may not >>>>be clear to the user. >>> >>> Hardly a difference one would experience in your example of a mere 0.5 >>> amp differential. Now try to move the goal posts again. >> >> You're clearly after an argument. I'm just suggesting the way that a >> standard for laptop power connectors could be implemented, bringing >> up largely irrelevant points isn't going to get anywhere whether >> they're right or not. > > Defecant_Linux_Luser_Numero_Uno is a very angry person with some serious > mental issues. He needs to make an appointment with a good shrink. > It seems to be common in the Linux community for some odd reason. Thanks for the explanation. -- __ __ #_ < |\| |< _#
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| From | DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> |
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| Date | 2015-10-18 17:10 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <vk282bl6pl5ujtsm4rurrnj0dh522acrvv@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #2393 |
On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 21:01:36 +0000 (UTC), not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) Gave us: >> Defecant_Linux_Luser_Numero_Uno is a very angry person with some serious >> mental issues. He needs to make an appointment with a good shrink. >> It seems to be common in the Linux community for some odd reason. > >Thanks for the explanation. You're both retarded and he is worse than Donald Trump. And look at you touting his words as "explanations".. You are beyond stupid.
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| From | "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> |
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| Date | 2015-10-18 13:58 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <n011gp$2cb$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #2389 |
"Onion Knight" <onionknight@linuxmail.org> wrote in message news:e25chbyj6tlu.b0t4m2gumc4$.dlg@40tude.net... > On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 03:59:51 +0000 (UTC), Computer Nerd Kev wrote: > >> In comp.sys.laptops DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno >> <DLU1@decadentlinuxuser.org> wrote: >>> On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 03:40:20 +0000 (UTC), not@telling.you.invalid >>> (Computer Nerd Kev) Gave us: >>> >>>>Laptop PSUs should have current limiting in them too, >>> >>> I did not say a damned thing about current limiting. >>> >>> It is surge sensing. If your PC is up with its 1000W supply only >>> using 250W of it, and you try to add a hard drive while it is live, you >>> can cause the entire supply to shut down, even though the HD and all of >>> its inrush only taxed the rail a few more watts. It can also happen >>> merely adding a CD or DVD reader as well. It is the change it senses, >>> even if well below its max capacity. >>> >>> Hot swap supplies do not do this function. ATX supplies do. That is >>> why they are so hard to use as a bench supply. >>> >>>> but if a laptop >>>>is on the edge of the maximum current from a PSU, then it could shut >>>>down intermittently or have other problems, the cause of which may not >>>>be clear to the user. >>> >>> Hardly a difference one would experience in your example of a mere 0.5 >>> amp differential. Now try to move the goal posts again. >> >> You're clearly after an argument. I'm just suggesting the way that a >> standard for laptop power connectors could be implemented, bringing >> up largely irrelevant points isn't going to get anywhere whether >> they're right or not. > > Defecant_Linux_Luser_Numero_Uno is a very angry person with some serious > mental issues. He needs to make an appointment with a good shrink. > It seems to be common in the Linux community for some odd reason. > > Anyway, here is a tear down of a cheap iPad adapter vs the real thing. > It has nothing to do with being made in China and everything to do with > being made to manufacturer's specifications vs something that is made as > cheaply as possible and barely works. > > http://www.righto.com/2014/05/a-look-inside-ipad-chargers-pricey.html Is there a more recent article like the following... Round-up of 74 laptop power adapters: original or universal? http://us.hardware.info/reviews/3151/round-up-of-74-laptop-power-adapters-original-or-universal for the US market?
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| From | DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> |
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| Date | 2015-10-17 01:03 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <7gl32bdsf9cl6fo6rtcc1rcb9nvbnue2eu@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #2355 |
On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 20:13:29 -0700, "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> Gave us: >The problem is with the power circuitry internal to the ASUS laptop, right? From what I was reading, that seems to be the case. Likely no fix other than to feed it with good, clean DC power.
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| From | Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> |
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| Date | 2015-10-17 09:48 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mvtjf4$2u6$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #2355 |
On 10/16/2015 11:13 PM, Adam wrote: > "DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno" <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> wrote in message > news:vup12b9iqlrmin16noqdrtlhmcll1p8sbv@4ax.com... >> On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 11:33:13 -0700, "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> Gave us: >> >>> >>> System: ASUS N61JQ (laptop) >>> Host OS: Ubuntu 12.04 LTS >>> >>> >>> After a power outage yesterday, pressing the power button of >>> ASUS laptop does nothing. The laptop was/is connected to >>> an APC battery backup (surge protection only) outlet (via AC adapter). >>> AC adapter's green light is "on". >>> >>> Any ideas? >>> >> I did a simple google search... >> >> https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=ASUS+N61JQ+power+requirement >> >> It yielded listings for where to get replacement 90W adapters, but >> scrolling down the page shows a lot of chatroom queries surrounding >> problems with this particular laptop and its batteries and power supply. >> >> It also lists the circumstances under which the failure modes are >> occurring. >> >> It would appear that the battery "watchdog" circuitry Asus >> incorporated into at least this model of their laptop line has some >> problems. >> >> A slight dip in the output of the power adapter or even too much >> ripple voltage presented by it when loaded may be what is going on. >> >> The new ones seemed to only be $12 to $15. It might cause less hair >> loss to simply get a new one. It is always nice to have backup power >> supplies in the "dongle" or "wallwart" realm anyway, since most are >> ultrasonically sealed and unserviceable. > > Thanks (NumeroUno), you're right. A new AC adapter did the trick. > Nothing else seems to be wrong with my laptop. > > But, the reviews for the Antec NP90 that I bought is not that great and > was not cheap ($40+). But, it has AQ3 (3-year parts & labor) warranty. > Any Universal 90W Notebook Power Adapter 19V recommendations? > > Also, how can I prevent this from happening again? > The problem is with the power circuitry internal to the ASUS laptop, right? > > Take a look; https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=ASUS+N61JQ++ac+adaptor http://tinyurl.com/nkdjajy -- Caver1
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| From | DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> |
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| Date | 2015-10-17 10:01 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <h0l42b9lagljk7affel3lvbcjk4pbjt7ic@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #2363 |
On Sat, 17 Oct 2015 09:48:17 -0400, Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> Gave us: snip This one is 135 Watts. Would (may) only need an output plug changeout. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B012HW5A9O And no, the wattage does not have to match the original. More is better. It is just a declaration of what the supply is able to provide. Your device still uses only what it uses. It merely has a better likelihood of providing a cleaner DC feed, and exhibiting less heat while doing so.
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| From | "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> |
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| Date | 2015-10-20 07:50 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <n05kbf$otv$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #2364 |
"DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno" <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> wrote in message news:h0l42b9lagljk7affel3lvbcjk4pbjt7ic@4ax.com... > On Sat, 17 Oct 2015 09:48:17 -0400, Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> Gave > us: > > snip > > This one is 135 Watts. Would (may) only need an output plug > changeout. > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B012HW5A9O > > And no, the wattage does not have to match the original. More is > better. It is just a declaration of what the supply is able to provide. > Your device still uses only what it uses. It merely has a better > likelihood of providing a cleaner DC feed, and exhibiting less heat > while doing so. ASUS representative said... "A higher wattage AC adapter can cause damage to battery overtime. Thus, it is not recommended." Is this true?
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