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  Satellite A660 andymhancock@gmail.com - 2013-12-14 21:18 -0800
    Re: Satellite A660 andymhancock@gmail.com - 2014-02-27 22:02 -0800
      Re: Satellite A660 andymhancock@gmail.com - 2014-03-02 22:57 -0800
        Re: Satellite A660 Bob_Villa <pheeh.zero@gmail.com> - 2014-03-03 04:24 -0800
          Re: Satellite A660 andymhancock@gmail.com - 2014-04-14 19:13 -0700
            Re: Satellite A660 Dominic Reich <usenet@tmsn.at> - 2014-04-16 17:22 +0000
              Re: Satellite A660 not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2014-04-16 22:44 +0000
                Re: Satellite A660 andymhancock@gmail.com - 2014-04-18 17:30 -0700
                  Re: Satellite A660 Dominic Reich <usenet@tmsn.at> - 2014-04-19 00:56 +0000
                    Re: Satellite A660 andymhancock@gmail.com - 2014-04-20 14:04 -0700
                      Re: Satellite A660 Dominic Reich <usenet@tmsn.at> - 2014-04-23 19:02 +0000
                        Re: Satellite A660 andymhancock@gmail.com - 2014-04-26 11:40 -0700
                  Re: Satellite A660 not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2014-04-19 02:41 +0000
                  Re: Satellite A660 wrat@panix.com (the wharf rat) - 2014-04-19 09:34 +0000
                    Re: Satellite A660 andymhancock@gmail.com - 2014-04-19 22:29 -0700
                      Re: Satellite A660 wrat@panix.com (the wharf rat) - 2014-04-21 20:33 +0000
                        Re: Satellite A660 andymhancock@gmail.com - 2014-04-21 23:24 -0700
                          Re: Satellite A660 not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2014-04-23 00:02 +0000
                            Re: Satellite A660 andymhancock@gmail.com - 2014-04-26 11:59 -0700
                          Re: Satellite A660 Dominic Reich <usenet@tmsn.at> - 2014-04-23 19:26 +0000
                            Re: Satellite A660 andymhancock@gmail.com - 2014-04-26 11:46 -0700
                          Re: Satellite A660 wrat@panix.com (the wharf rat) - 2014-05-03 14:53 +0000
                            Re: Satellite A660 andymhancock@gmail.com - 2014-05-03 13:29 -0700
            Re: Satellite A660 wrat@panix.com (the wharf rat) - 2014-04-20 01:52 +0000

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#2205

On Wednesday, April 23, 2014 3:26:06 PM UTC-4, Dominic Reich wrote:
>andymhancockATgmail.com wrote:
>> It is a text medium.  But the means by which many people access it
>> are changing.  I wasn't kidding when I indicated surprise that
>> readers can't wrap to window width (command line or not).  In fact,
>> this still isn't clear to me.  That's why I thought that the rude
>> and arrogant manner in which Dominic demanded line breaks was in
>> appropriate to say the least, especially when he wants others to
>> conform to his demands and it involves a commensurate sacrifice in
>> readability for the wrap-to-window-width crowd.  Has he even
>> explored the possibility of wrap to window width in his reader
>> (which he hasn't specified)?  If so, why hasn't he described the
>> problem?  This is not the kind of issue for which a good solution
>> will be arrived by shouting the loudest denunciating beratement.
>> Furthermore, the 80 character length in composition isn't going to
>> help with nested quotations, so you're eventually going to blow
>> that limit anyway.
> 
> Oh Andy, so much troube just because of nothing.  I'm sorry if my
> initial comment sounded rude to you - I only read a few of the
> replies yet but I get the feeling you must hate me as if I would be
> your worst nightmare.
> 
> Initially, I wanted to drop a small fun based comment to the actual
> thread's going to maybe get one poster more to produce some well
> readable texting.
> 
> Meanwhile I get called pretty low and arrogant and whatnot from you
> for practically telling you of too long lines (in a funny way I
> think, but it might not be so funny to everyone - but still, I'm
> only responsible of what I write, not what you understand or
> interpret).
> 
> Besides all that, I did not /demand/ anything, you're way too much
> interpreting into things that actually hold no value. I refrain from
> guessing what might be the reason for that as you won't like to hear
> it anyway. I can truly live my life without you breaking the lines,
> it was a suggestion of mine this time and if you do like it do it,
> if not do it not but stop talking to me from the side as this isn't
> any nicer if you be honest to yourself.

I think my previous observation needs some revision: You're so full of
delusional self-righteousness, you'll have to excuse me while I vomit.

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#2209

In article <36a2df73-e6fa-49c0-abfd-fe9590dee0aa@googlegroups.com>,
 <andymhancock@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Curious...what do you do that exposes you to owners/users of this
>specific model at a sufficient volume for you to confidently make
>these statements?
>

	Besides having worked in operations for many years, I ran 
a computer repair business.  I've worked on a bunch of them, and
done exhaustive research in order to make purchase recommendations.

	This model has at least a dozen reviews posted.  Each one
describes the touchpad as excellent (sometimes noting that that's
about the only excellent thing about it).  So, based on my experience
and research, if yours is so broken it's probably actually broken and
not just badly designed/manufactured.

>> 	Hey, buy a new touchpad on Ebay and swap it out.
>
>I don't trust myself when it comes to laptops.  And my track record

	You can probably find a how-to video on youtube...  It *is*
kind of fiddly, getting the palmrest off,  but you don't bother with
the touchpad itself; you replace the whole unit.

Here's a couple:


http://www.ebay.com/itm/K000105540-Toshiba-Satellite-A660-Palmrest-Touchpad-used-/161241037788?pt=US_Laptop_Housings_Touchpads&hash=item258ab6fbdc

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Toshiba-A660-A665-PALMREST-TOUCHPAD-SPEAKERS-SCREWS-K000114270-TESTED-/201039134004?pt=US_Laptop_Housings_Touchpads&hash=item2eceddbd34

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Toshiba-Satellite-A660-Palmrest-Touchpad-Black-Media-Board-Speakers-K000105400-/360661641659?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53f91be9bb

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#2211

Thanks for that, wharf rat.

I think I'd be more willing to perform surgery if I didn't restrict
myself to owning one computer (minimalist).  Even then, however, and
if it had enough priority compared to others (and there are other much
higher priorities), the very fact that this is necessary is a clear
indication that it a very crappy laptop.  Yes, I get that you
researched it.  So did I before purchasing.  Quite a while, actually,
and visited brick & mortar retail outlets to test drive.  In other
words, a much more than reasonable level of due diligence.  Some
things just don't make themselves apparent with a superficial test
drive.  For example, the sticky keys.  Pain in the freaking butt.  But
hasn't exhibited themselves in the last month or so (the lack of
registration, yes, but not the actual reluctance to spring back).
Could be temperature related.  Plastics expand, perhaps differently in
different mechanical pieces.  In that sense, you might be right about
the plastic build.  However, I don't notice the same problem with
other laptops, and they weren't exactly all metal.

I did another quick search on the model just now.  I'm noticing that
much of the vaunting relates to its raw computer power, media
capabilities, and audio-visual.  That's why think it should have been
clearly boasted about as being great for media and entertainment.  I
have no problem with media capabilities, they are impressive.  But
traditional geeking out requiring command line, much text
manipulation, and just plain old proficiency on keyboard and touchpad?
Not much mentioned.  An oversized touchpad is not needed for such
traditional use.  It may be "neat" for younger bucks who eschew text
and command line and do everything with point and click, but I would
say (and I suspect many would agree) that this can be very limiting if
you really want to technically delve into things.  The oversize
touchpad is anti-keyboardist -- as I said, there was (and is) nothing
lacking about the traditional size touchpads.  Toshiba was obviously
targeting a specific group of users with this design.  Not being up
front about that simply means that they were knowingly setting others
up for "disappointment".  To me, there's nothing untoward about outing
the crappy fit between design and usage.  This could have been easily
avoided.  It would mean fewer people would buy the product, but at
least they would be the ones who would be happy with it.

In the absence of information that points out the exact ways in which
certain design characteristics can impede use of the machine, I'm
putting forth my experience to balance the picture.  Just as people
who are pleased with the machine can elaborate on their pleasure (and
hopefully qualifying it with descriptions of their kinds of usage).
As I said before, I only wish I had encountered balancing personal
anecdotes when I was doing my research.

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#2196

In article <34f48ce5-6b1c-4aa3-8ae2-1061ed18ebde@googlegroups.com>,
 <andymhancock@gmail.com> wrote:
>This is the only piece of trash laptop that I've used (and I've used a
>few) that has both poor motion registration on an oversize touchpad as
>well as sporadic hypersensitive registration of accidental taps.  You

	BTW, Toshiba uses the same Synaptics touchpad as anyone with
half an eye on quality.  (I don't like the Alps ones.)  So if you're 
having these problems, it may be that the driver doesn't allow you to control
sensitivity and palm-check, or it may be that you haven't set your
options properly.

	Too much cheap flexy plastic, yeah.  One long screw, yeah.  Wiggly
shallow-press no-click membrane keyboard, yeah.  But there's nothing wrong 
with the touchpad hardware-wise.  

	One thing that drives me crazy about Toshiba laptops is that they
have 10,000 different and not completely compatible models of the same
basic system.  A660, 660D,660-x10,665...

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