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  HP/Compaq laptop battery and/or charger problem Roger Mills <watt.tyler@gmail.com> - 2011-08-14 21:49 +0100
    Re: HP/Compaq laptop battery and/or charger problem John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2011-08-14 22:06 +0100
      Re: HP/Compaq laptop battery and/or charger problem Andy Burns <usenet.aug2009@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2011-08-14 22:33 +0100
      Re: HP/Compaq laptop battery and/or charger problem Roger Mills <watt.tyler@gmail.com> - 2011-08-14 22:54 +0100
        Re: HP/Compaq laptop battery and/or charger problem John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2011-08-15 07:23 +0100
          Re: HP/Compaq laptop battery and/or charger problem Roger Mills <watt.tyler@gmail.com> - 2011-08-15 09:48 +0100
            Re: HP/Compaq laptop battery and/or charger problem John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2011-08-15 16:14 +0100
    Re: HP/Compaq laptop battery and/or charger problem "Peter Crosland" <g6jns@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-08-15 07:38 +0100
      Re: HP/Compaq laptop battery and/or charger problem Roger Mills <watt.tyler@gmail.com> - 2011-08-15 09:53 +0100
      Re: HP/Compaq laptop battery and/or charger problem "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> - 2011-08-15 05:18 -0500
        Re: HP/Compaq laptop battery and/or charger problem NT <meow2222@care2.com> - 2011-08-19 15:33 -0700
          Re: HP/Compaq laptop battery and/or charger problem BillW50 <BillW50@aol.kom> - 2011-08-20 11:14 -0500
    Re: HP/Compaq laptop battery and/or charger problem "Brian Gaff" <Briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2011-08-15 09:24 +0100
    Re: HP/Compaq laptop battery and/or charger problem Davey <davey@example.invalid> - 2011-08-15 10:55 +0100
      Re: HP/Compaq laptop battery and/or charger problem John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2011-08-15 16:21 +0100
        Re: HP/Compaq laptop battery and/or charger problem Davey <davey@example.invalid> - 2011-08-15 16:36 +0100
    Re: HP/Compaq laptop battery and/or charger problem "Man at B&Q" <manatbandq@hotmail.com> - 2011-08-15 08:36 -0700
      Re: HP/Compaq laptop battery and/or charger problem AJL <2579843445nomail@none.com> - 2011-08-15 10:44 -0700
        Re: HP/Compaq laptop battery and/or charger problem "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> - 2011-08-16 07:49 -0500
          Re: HP/Compaq laptop battery and/or charger problem AJL <1245nomail@none.com> - 2011-08-16 08:40 -0700
            Re: HP/Compaq laptop battery and/or charger problem "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> - 2011-08-16 11:56 -0500
              Re: HP/Compaq laptop battery and/or charger problem AJL <1245nomail@none.com> - 2011-08-16 17:18 -0700
                Re: HP/Compaq laptop battery and/or charger problem "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> - 2011-08-18 06:14 -0500
                  Re: HP/Compaq laptop battery and/or charger problem AJL <1245nomail@none.com> - 2011-08-19 14:09 -0700
                    Re: HP/Compaq laptop battery and/or charger problem BillW50 <BillW50@aol.kom> - 2011-08-19 19:13 -0500
                      Re: HP/Compaq laptop battery and/or charger problem AJL <2579843445nomail@none.com> - 2011-08-19 21:41 -0700
                        Re: HP/Compaq laptop battery and/or charger problem "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> - 2011-08-20 08:21 +0100
                          Re: HP/Compaq laptop battery and/or charger problem AJL <2579843445nomail@none.com> - 2011-08-20 14:51 -0700
                            Re: HP/Compaq laptop battery and/or charger problem "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> - 2011-08-20 23:37 +0100
                              Re: HP/Compaq laptop battery and/or charger problem BillW50 <BillW50@aol.kom> - 2011-08-20 18:28 -0500
                                Re: HP/Compaq laptop battery and/or charger problem Sjouke Burry <burrynulnulfour@ppllaanneett.nnll> - 2011-08-21 01:48 +0200
                                  Re: HP/Compaq laptop battery and/or charger problem BillW50 <BillW50@aol.kom> - 2011-08-20 19:19 -0500
                                    Re: HP/Compaq laptop battery and/or charger problem Sjouke Burry <burrynulnulfour@ppllaanneett.nnll> - 2011-08-21 03:00 +0200
                                    Re: HP/Compaq laptop battery and/or charger problem geoff <troll@uk-diy.org> - 2011-08-21 02:34 +0100
                                Re: HP/Compaq laptop battery and/or charger problem geoff <troll@uk-diy.org> - 2011-08-21 02:32 +0100
                                Re: HP/Compaq laptop battery and/or charger problem "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> - 2011-08-21 17:17 +0100
                              Re: HP/Compaq laptop battery and/or charger problem AJL <2579843445nomail@none.com> - 2011-08-20 19:38 -0700
                                Re: HP/Compaq laptop battery and/or charger problem "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> - 2011-08-21 17:25 +0100
                                  Re: HP/Compaq laptop battery and/or charger problem AJL <2367946nomail@none.com> - 2011-08-21 19:47 +0000
                        Re: HP/Compaq laptop battery and/or charger problem BillW50 <BillW50@aol.kom> - 2011-08-20 11:13 -0500
                          Re: HP/Compaq laptop battery and/or charger problem AJL <2579843445nomail@none.com> - 2011-08-20 15:15 -0700
                            Re: HP/Compaq laptop battery and/or charger problem BillW50 <BillW50@aol.kom> - 2011-08-20 18:07 -0500
                              Re: HP/Compaq laptop battery and/or charger problem AJL <2579843445nomail@none.com> - 2011-08-20 20:27 -0700
    Re: HP/Compaq laptop battery and/or charger problem "ghelf" <ghelf@sbcglobalDeathToSpam.net> - 2011-08-15 14:08 -0700
    Re: HP/Compaq laptop battery and/or charger problem digger <digger02XXX@gmail.com> - 2011-08-21 20:41 -0700
      Re: HP/Compaq laptop battery and/or charger problem Andy Burns <usenet.aug2009@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2011-08-22 04:59 +0100
      Re: HP/Compaq laptop battery and/or charger problem AJL <12468945nomail@none.com> - 2011-08-21 22:38 -0700
    Re: HP/Compaq laptop battery and/or charger problem jeradl <jeradl.4yvis4@no.email.invalid> - 2011-08-21 20:22 -0500
    Re: HP/Compaq laptop battery and/or charger problem tahrey <caedfaa9ed1216d60ef78a6f660f5f85_13854@example.com> - 2019-01-23 13:14 +0000

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#560

In news:cr0l47du3cfhoq1uha5fho6nnse6ht65nh@4ax.com,
AJL wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 07:49:58 -0500, "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:
>
>> In news:0mli475q9pctauktjt3tujr03fhdopjlea@4ax.com,
>> AJL wrote:
>>> On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 08:36:29 -0700 (PDT), "Man at B&Q"
>>> <manatbandq@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Can you still get a genuine OEM battery? I would be wary of a cheap
>>>> "replacement".
>
>>> IMO you are better off to go to a high volume battery
>>> store and get a remanufactured battery with *fresh cells*...
>>
>> That is all true of course. But I get 10 years out of mine by
>> sitting on the shelf. While Barry Watzman got 12 years out of his.
>
> Yes I do remember those 'who has the oldest battery' campfire stories
> from times past here. Kinda like the mine is bigger than yours?   8-O

Yes, Barry had better luck with his lithium batteries than I. So what 
can I say? lol

Btw, those 10 year old batteries are now 12 years old and I haven't 
taken out of the drawer in two years. They could be history or they 
might still be good. They fit my 12 year old Toshiba 2595XDVD laptops. 
And they just sit up on the shelf doing nothing, so I really don't care 
if the batteries are still good or not. ;-)

>> But freshly manufactured laptop Li-Ion
>> batteries usually cost like 200 bucks.
>
> Just checked several sites and found batteries for my 4 year old Acer
> laptop (4315) ranging from about US$50 to $100.

Yes, but are those one month old batteries? Or were they manufactured 4 
years ago?

>> While Li-Ion batteries which are older can be had for about 40 bucks.
>
> Cheap is not always better in batteries (though it could be). Problem
> is how do you tell? I would likely go with a branded dealer like
> Duracell.com and pay the price.

Well there are those stories about cheap knockoffs which got into the 
dealers supply chain. Remember those stories a few years back? Things 
like cell phones bursting into flames while they were using them or in 
their pockets.

Then there was I believe who was Sony, who thought they were clever. As 
they made the battery layers thinner and gave them larger capacity for a 
smaller package. Sounded good on the surface. But the layers were too 
thin and they begun to short internally and burst into flames. I think 
they said that was the largest battery recall in history.

>> So spend 200 bucks and get about 10 to 12 years out of it.
>> Or spend about 40 bucks and get 5 to 7 years out of those.
>
> Other than bragging rights why would you need a 12 year old battery?

That is what I am saying. Who cares if the battery was freshly 
manufactured or not? As if an unused five year old battery for 40 bucks 
gives me 6 years of service after I get it. I find that totally 
acceptable. Don't you?

-- 
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core Duo 1.83G - 2GB - Windows XP SP3 

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#570

On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:56:37 -0500, "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:

>Who cares if the battery was freshly 
>manufactured or not? 

Pure L-ion battery physics says that a 5 year old 'new' battery will
have a lower capacity than the same battery freshly manufactured. 

>As if an unused five year old battery for 40 bucks 
>gives me 6 years of service after I get it.

The most expensive remanufactured (fresh cells) battery for this Acer
4315 was $100. You saved $60 over your 6 years. So for pennies a month
you will put up with a lower capacity battery?

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#574

In news:je0m47lr520srk3tgm67g2eid7otsgcjtn@4ax.com,
AJL wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:56:37 -0500, "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:
>
>> Who cares if the battery was freshly
>> manufactured or not?
>
> Pure L-ion battery physics says that a 5 year old 'new' battery will
> have a lower capacity than the same battery freshly manufactured.

True, but my 5 year old batteries have 80% or better capacity. Age 
doesn't seem to effect capacity very much. Although heat and the number 
of recharges does.

>> As if an unused five year old battery for 40 bucks
>> gives me 6 years of service after I get it.
>
> The most expensive remanufactured (fresh cells) battery for this Acer
> 4315 was $100. You saved $60 over your 6 years. So for pennies a month
> you will put up with a lower capacity battery?

Like you said, who wants a battery to last 12 years? By then, I have 
lost interest in a laptop that old. The only exception is my Palm IIIc 
which happens to be 12 years old now. The first lithium battery lasted 
about 6 years and this second one is now 6 years old and it is still 
going strong (it is also one of those cheap aftermarket ones too).

-- 
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core Duo 1.83G - 2GB - Windows XP SP3 

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#579

On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 06:14:06 -0500, "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:

>who wants a battery to last 12 years? By then, I have 
>lost interest in a laptop that old. 

I have never bought a replacement for a failed laptop battery. There
was always something newer and better that I wanted before the battery
wore out. Wasteful I know, but fun nevertheless...  ;)

>The only exception is my Palm IIIc 
>which happens to be 12 years old now. The first lithium battery lasted 
>about 6 years and this second one is now 6 years old and it is still 
>going strong (it is also one of those cheap aftermarket ones too).

How can you stand to use that thing? Compared to a modern smartphone
(my Palm replacement) it must be very painful... 8-O

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#583

On 8/19/2011 4:09 PM, AJL wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 06:14:06 -0500, "BillW50"<BillW50@aol.kom>  wrote:
>
>> who wants a battery to last 12 years? By then, I have
>> lost interest in a laptop that old.
>
> I have never bought a replacement for a failed laptop battery. There
> was always something newer and better that I wanted before the battery
> wore out. Wasteful I know, but fun nevertheless...  ;)

Besides the Palm IIIc I haven't either. But I do buy spare batteries for 
my laptops and netbooks right away. ;-)

>> The only exception is my Palm IIIc
>> which happens to be 12 years old now. The first lithium battery lasted
>> about 6 years and this second one is now 6 years old and it is still
>> going strong (it is also one of those cheap aftermarket ones too).
>
> How can you stand to use that thing? Compared to a modern smartphone
> (my Palm replacement) it must be very painful... 8-O

Well I still use the address book and the date book. I also use it for 
grocery shopping list and to store game cheats. It is kind of like 
having a flash drive with a touch screen. ;-)

-- 
Bill
Alienware M9700 - 1GB - Two Nvidia 7900GS running in SLI mode

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#585

On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 19:13:22 -0500, BillW50 <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:

>I still use the [Palm IIIc] address book and the date book. I also use it for 
>grocery shopping list and to store game cheats. It is kind of like 
>having a flash drive with a touch screen. ;-)

That Palm IIIc has 8 *Meg* of memory, right? Ah Bill you have to
update a little. With a smartphone, instead of an 8 Meg flashdrive
with a screen you could have a 24 Gig (or more) flashdrive with a
touch screen and a laptop built in...  ;)

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#586

"AJL" <2579843445nomail@none.com> wrote in message 
news:dtdu47tnncuq9dq4kgbj9u2jkrv43vnvbu@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 19:13:22 -0500, BillW50 <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:
>
>>I still use the [Palm IIIc] address book and the date book. I also use it 
>>for
>>grocery shopping list and to store game cheats. It is kind of like
>>having a flash drive with a touch screen. ;-)
>
> That Palm IIIc has 8 *Meg* of memory, right? Ah Bill you have to
> update a little. With a smartphone, instead of an 8 Meg flashdrive
> with a screen you could have a 24 Gig (or more) flashdrive with a
> touch screen and a laptop built in...  ;)

Mines only got 16G of flash built in, but it does have a microSD slot so I 
can add another 32G.
There isn't much you can use it for other than videos/photos or so much 
music you will never be able to play it all.

The 1G of RAM is more useful as navigation software and voice recognition 
works so much better when it has enough RAM. 

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#590

On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 08:21:43 +0100, "dennis@home"
<dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

>"AJL" <2579843445nomail@none.com> wrote in message 

>> That Palm IIIc has 8 *Meg* of memory, right? Ah Bill you have to
>> update a little. With a smartphone, instead of an 8 Meg flashdrive
>> with a screen you could have a 24 Gig (or more) flashdrive with a
>> touch screen and a laptop built in...  ;)
>
>Mines only got 16G of flash built in, but it does have a 
>microSD slot so I can add another 32G.

My phone has 8G internal flash + a 16G micro SD = 24G.

>There isn't much you can use it for other than videos/photos or so much 
>music you will never be able to play it all.

I do keep all my music (6G), all my ebooks (2G), and all my photos
(11G) on my phone and it's always with me. It's nice to have access to
the *whole* library and it also serves as my off site backup. 

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#592

"AJL" <2579843445nomail@none.com> wrote in message 
news:7r9057d60vrjdrd32b32egbgm5jr1qft99@4ax.com...


> I do keep all my music (6G), all my ebooks (2G), and all my photos
> (11G) on my phone and it's always with me. It's nice to have access to
> the *whole* library and it also serves as my off site backup.

Unless it remains off site all the time its not really going to serve as off 
site.
You can be sure that the fire/flood/lightning strike will happen while they 
are together if the data is valuable. 

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#594

On 8/20/2011 5:37 PM, dennis@home wrote:
>
> "AJL" <2579843445nomail@none.com> wrote in message
> news:7r9057d60vrjdrd32b32egbgm5jr1qft99@4ax.com...
>
>> I do keep all my music (6G), all my ebooks (2G), and all my photos
>> (11G) on my phone and it's always with me. It's nice to have access to
>> the *whole* library and it also serves as my off site backup.
>
> Unless it remains off site all the time its not really going to serve as
> off site.
> You can be sure that the fire/flood/lightning strike will happen while
> they are together if the data is valuable.

That is so true Dennis. And while I keep some stuff off site (not as 
much as I should). My data really doesn't have a lot of monetary value. 
As heaven forbid that my house burns right into the ground someday. And 
all of my devices and data are no more. Yes that would be heartbreaking 
and all, but that is nothing compared that I don't have a house anymore. 
I dunno, but I think most would feel the same.

-- 
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v3.0
Centrino Core2 Duo 2GHz - 1.5GB - Windows 7

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#595

BillW50 wrote:
> On 8/20/2011 5:37 PM, dennis@home wrote:
>> "AJL" <2579843445nomail@none.com> wrote in message
>> news:7r9057d60vrjdrd32b32egbgm5jr1qft99@4ax.com...
>>
>>> I do keep all my music (6G), all my ebooks (2G), and all my photos
>>> (11G) on my phone and it's always with me. It's nice to have access to
>>> the *whole* library and it also serves as my off site backup.
>> Unless it remains off site all the time its not really going to serve as
>> off site.
>> You can be sure that the fire/flood/lightning strike will happen while
>> they are together if the data is valuable.
> 
> That is so true Dennis. And while I keep some stuff off site (not as 
> much as I should). My data really doesn't have a lot of monetary value. 
> As heaven forbid that my house burns right into the ground someday. And 
> all of my devices and data are no more. Yes that would be heartbreaking 
> and all, but that is nothing compared that I don't have a house anymore. 
> I dunno, but I think most would feel the same.
> 
Hm... I am contemplating to dump my second backup usb seagate disk
elsewhere. Privacy concerns stopping me at the moment :)

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#596

On 8/20/2011 6:48 PM, Sjouke Burry wrote:
> BillW50 wrote:
>> On 8/20/2011 5:37 PM, dennis@home wrote:
>>> "AJL" <2579843445nomail@none.com> wrote in message
>>> news:7r9057d60vrjdrd32b32egbgm5jr1qft99@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>> I do keep all my music (6G), all my ebooks (2G), and all my photos
>>>> (11G) on my phone and it's always with me. It's nice to have access to
>>>> the *whole* library and it also serves as my off site backup.
>>> Unless it remains off site all the time its not really going to serve as
>>> off site.
>>> You can be sure that the fire/flood/lightning strike will happen while
>>> they are together if the data is valuable.
>>
>> That is so true Dennis. And while I keep some stuff off site (not as
>> much as I should). My data really doesn't have a lot of monetary
>> value. As heaven forbid that my house burns right into the ground
>> someday. And all of my devices and data are no more. Yes that would be
>> heartbreaking and all, but that is nothing compared that I don't have
>> a house anymore. I dunno, but I think most would feel the same.
>>
> Hm... I am contemplating to dump my second backup usb seagate disk
> elsewhere. Privacy concerns stopping me at the moment :)

Oh that is something else entirely. Some people like something that 
wipes the disk and that is good enough. And I feel overwriting it with 
DVDs or whatever is good enough. But it is still possible for the 
determined to still pull the old information off.

Okay it is. And I hear people like the FBI or the CIA can and probably 
the most seasoned hackers can too. Well in my case, I don't think any of 
them are that interested in my stuff to go through all of the trouble. 
As they are not going to get anything that is that exciting anyway.

But if you think you have something that interesting to those people. 
Then take a 20 pound mallet and smash it to pieces. Yeah given enough 
money and resources, nothing is impossible. But is it worth it? ;-)

-- 
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v3.0
Centrino Core2 Duo 2GHz - 1.5GB - Windows 7

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#597

BillW50 wrote:
> On 8/20/2011 6:48 PM, Sjouke Burry wrote:
>> BillW50 wrote:
>>> On 8/20/2011 5:37 PM, dennis@home wrote:
>>>> "AJL" <2579843445nomail@none.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:7r9057d60vrjdrd32b32egbgm5jr1qft99@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>>> I do keep all my music (6G), all my ebooks (2G), and all my photos
>>>>> (11G) on my phone and it's always with me. It's nice to have access to
>>>>> the *whole* library and it also serves as my off site backup.
>>>> Unless it remains off site all the time its not really going to serve as
>>>> off site.
>>>> You can be sure that the fire/flood/lightning strike will happen while
>>>> they are together if the data is valuable.
>>> That is so true Dennis. And while I keep some stuff off site (not as
>>> much as I should). My data really doesn't have a lot of monetary
>>> value. As heaven forbid that my house burns right into the ground
>>> someday. And all of my devices and data are no more. Yes that would be
>>> heartbreaking and all, but that is nothing compared that I don't have
>>> a house anymore. I dunno, but I think most would feel the same.
>>>
>> Hm... I am contemplating to dump my second backup usb seagate disk
>> elsewhere. Privacy concerns stopping me at the moment :)
> 
> Oh that is something else entirely. Some people like something that 
> wipes the disk and that is good enough. And I feel overwriting it with 
> DVDs or whatever is good enough. But it is still possible for the 
> determined to still pull the old information off.
> 
> Okay it is. And I hear people like the FBI or the CIA can and probably 
> the most seasoned hackers can too. Well in my case, I don't think any of 
> them are that interested in my stuff to go through all of the trouble. 
> As they are not going to get anything that is that exciting anyway.
> 
> But if you think you have something that interesting to those people. 
> Then take a 20 pound mallet and smash it to pieces. Yeah given enough 
> money and resources, nothing is impossible. But is it worth it? ;-)
> 
Tssk... The dumping elswhere was for backup, I want it back in case of
emergency or update!! :)
But some of my friends might like to browse my backup, and I am not
sure I would like that......

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#599

In message <j2pitf$mua$1@dont-email.me>, BillW50 <BillW50@aol.kom> 
writes
>On 8/20/2011 6:48 PM, Sjouke Burry wrote:
>> BillW50 wrote:
>>> On 8/20/2011 5:37 PM, dennis@home wrote:
>>>> "AJL" <2579843445nomail@none.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:7r9057d60vrjdrd32b32egbgm5jr1qft99@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>>> I do keep all my music (6G), all my ebooks (2G), and all my photos
>>>>> (11G) on my phone and it's always with me. It's nice to have access to
>>>>> the *whole* library and it also serves as my off site backup.
>>>> Unless it remains off site all the time its not really going to serve as
>>>> off site.
>>>> You can be sure that the fire/flood/lightning strike will happen while
>>>> they are together if the data is valuable.
>>>
>>> That is so true Dennis. And while I keep some stuff off site (not as
>>> much as I should). My data really doesn't have a lot of monetary
>>> value. As heaven forbid that my house burns right into the ground
>>> someday. And all of my devices and data are no more. Yes that would be
>>> heartbreaking and all, but that is nothing compared that I don't have
>>> a house anymore. I dunno, but I think most would feel the same.
>>>
>> Hm... I am contemplating to dump my second backup usb seagate disk
>> elsewhere. Privacy concerns stopping me at the moment :)
>
>Oh that is something else entirely. Some people like something that 
>wipes the disk and that is good enough. And I feel overwriting it with 
>DVDs or whatever is good enough. But it is still possible for the 
>determined to still pull the old information off.
>
>Okay it is. And I hear people like the FBI or the CIA can and probably 
>the most seasoned hackers can too. Well in my case, I don't think any 
>of them are that interested in my stuff to go through all of the 
>trouble. As they are not going to get anything that is that exciting 
>anyway.
>
>But if you think you have something that interesting to those people. 
>Then take a 20 pound mallet and smash it to pieces. Yeah given enough 
>money and resources, nothing is impossible. But is it worth it? ;-)
>


... How paranoid are you ?

-- 
geoff

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#598

In message <j2pfv2$7r7$1@dont-email.me>, BillW50 <BillW50@aol.kom> 
writes
>On 8/20/2011 5:37 PM, dennis@home wrote:
>>
>> "AJL" <2579843445nomail@none.com> wrote in message
>> news:7r9057d60vrjdrd32b32egbgm5jr1qft99@4ax.com...
>>
>>> I do keep all my music (6G), all my ebooks (2G), and all my photos
>>> (11G) on my phone and it's always with me. It's nice to have access to
>>> the *whole* library and it also serves as my off site backup.
>>
>> Unless it remains off site all the time its not really going to serve as
>> off site.
>> You can be sure that the fire/flood/lightning strike will happen while
>> they are together if the data is valuable.
>
>That is so true Dennis. And while I keep some stuff off site (not as 
>much as I should). My data really doesn't have a lot of monetary value. 
>As heaven forbid that my house burns right into the ground someday. And 
>all of my devices and data are no more. Yes that would be heartbreaking 
>and all, but that is nothing compared that I don't have a house 
>anymore. I dunno, but I think most would feel the same.
>
You can always rebuild a house

and I have an 8TB server at home and at work that mutually back each 
other up (problem there for dennis , who is ... no longer employed)

The loss here would be photographs, slides, cassettes and vinyl

far too lazy to back up / scan all that lot in


-- 
geoff

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#603

"BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote in message 
news:j2pfv2$7r7$1@dont-email.me...
> On 8/20/2011 5:37 PM, dennis@home wrote:
>>
>> "AJL" <2579843445nomail@none.com> wrote in message
>> news:7r9057d60vrjdrd32b32egbgm5jr1qft99@4ax.com...
>>
>>> I do keep all my music (6G), all my ebooks (2G), and all my photos
>>> (11G) on my phone and it's always with me. It's nice to have access to
>>> the *whole* library and it also serves as my off site backup.
>>
>> Unless it remains off site all the time its not really going to serve as
>> off site.
>> You can be sure that the fire/flood/lightning strike will happen while
>> they are together if the data is valuable.
>
> That is so true Dennis. And while I keep some stuff off site (not as much 
> as I should). My data really doesn't have a lot of monetary value. As 
> heaven forbid that my house burns right into the ground someday. And all 
> of my devices and data are no more. Yes that would be heartbreaking and 
> all, but that is nothing compared that I don't have a house anymore. I 
> dunno, but I think most would feel the same.

They probably would at first, then the insurance would replace the house and 
they would regret the loss of all their memories. 

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#600

On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 23:37:49 +0100, "dennis@home"
<dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

>"AJL" <2579843445nomail@none.com> wrote in message 
>news:7r9057d60vrjdrd32b32egbgm5jr1qft99@4ax.com...
>
>
>> I do keep all my music (6G), all my ebooks (2G), and all my photos
>> (11G) on my phone and it's always with me. It's nice to have access to
>> the *whole* library and it also serves as my off site backup.
>
>Unless it remains off site all the time its not really going to serve as off 
>site.

When I'm off site my data is off site (unless I forget my phone).

>You can be sure that the fire/flood/lightning strike will happen while they 
>are together if the data is valuable. 

My music, ebooks, and photos are important to me but not valuable.

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#604

"AJL" <2579843445nomail@none.com> wrote in message 
news:r9r057lc58enj2uevcnibohtnp13p4qn9m@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 23:37:49 +0100, "dennis@home"
> <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
>
>>"AJL" <2579843445nomail@none.com> wrote in message
>>news:7r9057d60vrjdrd32b32egbgm5jr1qft99@4ax.com...
>>
>>
>>> I do keep all my music (6G), all my ebooks (2G), and all my photos
>>> (11G) on my phone and it's always with me. It's nice to have access to
>>> the *whole* library and it also serves as my off site backup.
>>
>>Unless it remains off site all the time its not really going to serve as 
>>off
>>site.
>
> When I'm off site my data is off site (unless I forget my phone).
>
>>You can be sure that the fire/flood/lightning strike will happen while 
>>they
>>are together if the data is valuable.
>
> My music, ebooks, and photos are important to me but not valuable.

Their value is not always monetary.
I would rather lose the house and have the insurance rebuild it than to lose 
the pictures of my family/friends.
Likewise music collections (other than what my daughter plays) are of no 
value as they can be replaced by the insurance the same as the house. 

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#605

"dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

> I would rather lose the house and have the insurance rebuild it than to
> lose the pictures of my family/friends.

If I had a choice between losing the house and losing my pictures I think
I'd choose the pictures. Losing a house would be an unimaginable hassle.
But that is silly since I won't have that choice. If my pictures do burn up
when they're in my pocket (in my phone) then the backup will have failed
but in that situation I likely won't need them anymore anyway... ;)

> Likewise music collections (other than what my daughter plays) are of no
> value as they can be replaced by the insurance the same as the house.

I doubt that insurance will (or can) replace my Usenet derived music
collection so I'll just keep hoping my pants don't catch on fire...

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#588

On 8/19/2011 11:41 PM, AJL wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 19:13:22 -0500, BillW50<BillW50@aol.kom>  wrote:
>
>> I still use the [Palm IIIc] address book and the date book. I also use it for
>> grocery shopping list and to store game cheats. It is kind of like
>> having a flash drive with a touch screen. ;-)
>
> That Palm IIIc has 8 *Meg* of memory, right? Ah Bill you have to
> update a little. With a smartphone, instead of an 8 Meg flashdrive
> with a screen you could have a 24 Gig (or more) flashdrive with a
> touch screen and a laptop built in...  ;)

Yup, 8MB soldered on the motherboard without any expansion slot. And 8MB 
is huge for shopping lists and game cheats. ;-)

Smartphone? Naw... cellular signals don't work well where I live. They 
only work well when I run into town.

Anyway I rather use a netbook rather than a smartphone for apps and data 
stuff. Bigger keyboard and larger screen too. ;-)

-- 
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v3.0
Centrino Core2 Duo 2GHz - 1.5GB - Windows 7

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