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  Acer Aspire 8930G RTC Battery location? Flint <agent1@section31.org> - 2011-03-29 19:46 -0400
    Re: Acer Aspire 8930G RTC Battery location? "Thomas Wendell" <tumppiw_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2011-03-30 11:21 +0300
      Re: Acer Aspire 8930G RTC Battery location? Flint <agent1@section31.org> - 2011-03-30 16:40 -0400
        Re: Acer Aspire 8930G RTC Battery location? "mk" <ramblingon@nowhere.com> - 2011-03-31 09:42 +0100
          Re: Acer Aspire 8930G RTC Battery location? Flint <agent1@section31.org> - 2011-03-31 07:18 -0400
            Re: Acer Aspire 8930G RTC Battery location? lmarco@panix.com (Lou Marco) - 2011-03-31 22:38 +0000
            Re: Acer Aspire 8930G RTC Battery location? me/2 <null@127.0.0.1> - 2011-03-31 16:06 -0700
              Re: Acer Aspire 8930G RTC Battery location? lmarco@panix.com (Lou Marco) - 2011-04-04 18:28 +0000

#106 — Acer Aspire 8930G RTC Battery location?

Howdy,

I have an Acer aspire 8930G that simply won't boot, and the BIOS is 
password locked (typical forgotten password).  I wanted to clear the 
password w/a BIOS reset, but don't know where the RTC Battery is located.

After looking around, I found top/bottom view diagrams of the 8930 
logic board, but nothing labeled on it to indicate where the CMOS/RTC 
battery is located.  I have removed the cover on the underside to 
access the HDD, SODIMMs, and wireless card, but see no access to the 
CMOS/RTC battery.

Can someone tell me where it is on this, and what the difference 
between ab 8930 and 8930G is?





-- 
MFB

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#107

"Flint" <agent1@section31.org> kirjoitti 
viestissä:imtr08$k8m$1@dont-email.me...
> Howdy,
>
> I have an Acer aspire 8930G that simply won't boot, and the BIOS is 
> password locked (typical forgotten password).  I wanted to clear the 
> password w/a BIOS reset, but don't know where the RTC Battery is located.
>
> After looking around, I found top/bottom view diagrams of the 8930 logic 
> board, but nothing labeled on it to indicate where the CMOS/RTC battery is 
> located.  I have removed the cover on the underside to access the HDD, 
> SODIMMs, and wireless card, but see no access to the CMOS/RTC battery.
>
> Can someone tell me where it is on this, and what the difference between 
> ab 8930 and 8930G is?
>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> MFB

I don't know about the 8930G, but on my TravelMate7520 it is on the 
mainboards _upper_ side, ie. you have get the keyboard out of the way.
Disassembly, disassembly..


-- 
Thomas Wendell
Helsinki, Finland
Translations to/from FI not always accurate


 

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#110

On 3/30/2011 4:21 AM, Thomas Wendell wrote:
> "Flint" <agent1@section31.org> kirjoitti
> viestissä:imtr08$k8m$1@dont-email.me...
>> Howdy,
>>
>> I have an Acer aspire 8930G that simply won't boot, and the BIOS is
>> password locked (typical forgotten password). I wanted to clear the
>> password w/a BIOS reset, but don't know where the RTC Battery is
>> located.
>>
>> After looking around, I found top/bottom view diagrams of the 8930
>> logic board, but nothing labeled on it to indicate where the
>> CMOS/RTC battery is located. I have removed the cover on the
>> underside to access the HDD, SODIMMs, and wireless card, but see no
>> access to the CMOS/RTC battery.
>>
>> Can someone tell me where it is on this, and what the difference
>> between ab 8930 and 8930G is?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> MFB
>
> I don't know about the 8930G, but on my TravelMate7520 it is on the
> mainboards _upper_ side, ie. you have get the keyboard out of the way.
> Disassembly, disassembly..
>
>

I kind of figured as much.  I'm just not looking forward to all the 
dis-assembly without knowing for certain exactly where it is.  I can't 
even find an iFixit dis-assembly on it.

I just loathe dis-assembly on unfamiliar models... :)



-- 
MFB

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#111

Acer is notorius for placing these cmos batteries in difficult to get to 
locations. I had an Acer Travelmate and ruined the machine during diassembly 
in my attempt to locate the battery !

If you have a local computer shop I would advise you to take it there, but 
ask questions of them first so that you can be confident of their skills 
etc.

MK 

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#112

On 3/31/2011 4:42 AM, mk wrote:
> Acer is notorius for placing these cmos batteries in difficult to get to
> locations. I had an Acer Travelmate and ruined the machine during diassembly
> in my attempt to locate the battery !
>
> If you have a local computer shop I would advise you to take it there, but
> ask questions of them first so that you can be confident of their skills
> etc.
>
> MK
>
>

I've done this before many times on many laptops, just not on this 
model.  I just don't like doing it w/o some sort of dis-assembly guide 
or documentation.

I've found that most of the time when you can't easily access the RTC 
battery because it isn't visibly accessible, it's usually on the 
topside of a laptop motherboard and under the keyboard.  I kind of 
figured I'd have to be tearing this thing apart anyway, but it looks 
like I'll be creating an iFixit dis-assembly guide entry for this 
laptop model rather than hunting one up on the site.

--
MFB

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#113

In article <in1ntq$qgj$1@dont-email.me>, Flint  <agent1@section31.org> wrote:
>
>figured I'd have to be tearing this thing apart anyway, but it looks 
>like I'll be creating an iFixit dis-assembly guide entry for this 
>laptop model rather than hunting one up on the site.

	Wharfies foolproof guide to removing laptop keyboards:

	1.  Take out the battery, drives,cards,and anything else
	that comes off without taking the case apart.

	2.  Turn it over and take out every screw you see. That includes
	the ones holding the wireless card down. (I've seen at least
	one model where the long screw for the wireless card also attached
	the keyboard.) Look under the memory DIMMS (or SIMMS :-)  Don't
	lose any screws because they always have wierd sizes and threads.

	3. Turn it back rightside up,open the lid,and use your case 
	opener (or a guitar pick) to try and move the keyboard up.  Try
	pushing it back or forwards first.  If it does move be careful
	of the convolutionary routing of the ribbon cables and don't pull
	the zifs.

	4. No luck, huh?  Try the back of the palm rest.  Does it move?
	How about if you try the guitar pick on the case joints?  If it
	pops off look for the hidden screws holding the keyboard down.

	5. If you can't remove the palmrest (if you cracked it trying to
	replacements are generally cheap or you can repair it with
	plastic cement) look all around the sides including at the edges 
	of the slots where the drives go and where the battery was.  If
	you see tiny screws that might connect to the palmrest remove them.
	Things you didn't expect to come apart will come apart.  c'est la vie.
	Try and remember what they looked like so you can put them back
	together and don't lose any screws.

	6.  Still can't move anything?  Try the hinge covers.  if they're
	meant to pop off you'll see little catches to pry on with your
	pick.  Or there may be a screw you missed.  If the hinge covers come
	off remove the revealed screws and try the keyboard and palmrests
	again.

	7.  If it still won't come apart look for hidden catches.  Dells
	are notorious for this.  You can find them by noticing that two
	parts, say, the led panel cover and the bottom case,don't *quite*
	touch except for two little spots.  Which may be on any side. BTW.

	8.  If it still won't come apart make sure you don't have an etch-a-
	sketch.  If you still think you have a laptop go read the manual :-)
	and find the screw under the label in the corner of the battery 
	compartment you needed to remove :-) (What? Sorry, I thought you 
	knew to look under labels for screws.  That's the best place to 
	put them, you know.)

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#114

On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 07:18:10 -0400, Flint <agent1@section31.org> wrote:

:>On 3/31/2011 4:42 AM, mk wrote:
:>> Acer is notorius for placing these cmos batteries in difficult to get to
:>> locations. I had an Acer Travelmate and ruined the machine during diassembly
:>> in my attempt to locate the battery !
:>>
:>> If you have a local computer shop I would advise you to take it there, but
:>> ask questions of them first so that you can be confident of their skills
:>> etc.
:>>
:>> MK
:>>
:>>
:>
:>I've done this before many times on many laptops, just not on this 
:>model.  I just don't like doing it w/o some sort of dis-assembly guide 
:>or documentation.
:>
:>I've found that most of the time when you can't easily access the RTC 
:>battery because it isn't visibly accessible, it's usually on the 
:>topside of a laptop motherboard and under the keyboard.  I kind of 
:>figured I'd have to be tearing this thing apart anyway, but it looks 
:>like I'll be creating an iFixit dis-assembly guide entry for this 
:>laptop model rather than hunting one up on the site.

Wow, all these replies and nobody has mentioned that BIOS passwords are
stored in NVRAM and removing the CMOS battery will not clear a BIOS
password. Depending on the manufacturer/model there are almost always
methods to remove a BIOS password but it's not always easy to find out that
information. Obviously for security purposes removing a BIOS password is not
a straightforward process.

Before retiring I worked over 10 years at a Toshiba Premier ASP. They
actually had some models that a call to Toshiba ASP Tech Support was
required to be able to remove a BIOS password. You had to give them the name
of the ASP, the ASP ID number, your name and your Tech ID number. At that
point they would have you press a "magic" combination of keys. This would
generate a challenge code on the screen. They would then give you a time
limited response code to type in that would allow you to get into the BIOS
setup. Note this did not actually remove the password. You had to do that
once you got into the BIOS setup.

Older Toshiba modes used a parallel port dongle that was easily reproduced
to remove a BIOS password. Once parallel ports fell by the wayside they
started using a somewhat hidden set of jumper pads on the motherboard that
had to be shorted to clear a BIOS password similar to the way it's done on a
full size motherboard. Then there was the method I mentioned above on some
models. I don't know what methods they are using today since it's been
around 5 years since I quit working on Toshibas.

Good luck finding what you really need,
me/2

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#121

In article <g41ap6hvjq7rbpj6hsmhg0gmu67fh55rba@4ax.com>,
me/2  <null@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
>Wow, all these replies and nobody has mentioned that BIOS passwords are
>stored in NVRAM and removing the CMOS battery will not clear a BIOS
>password. Depending on the manufacturer/model there are almost always

	Because we're not as confused as you are. Supervisor passwords
are in NVRAM and not clearable by removing power.  BIOS passwords are stored
in CMOS and go to the Great ASIC In The Sky when the volts vanish.


>required to be able to remove a BIOS password. You had to give them the name
>of the ASP, the ASP ID number, your name and your Tech ID number. At that
>point they would have you press a "magic" combination of keys. This would
>generate a challenge code on the screen. They would then give you a time

	Well, that's pretty slick. But wouldn't it have been easier to
just replace the chip?  That's how you fix IBM's with a lost SUPERVISOR
password...

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