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  Re: flickers then black screen lmarco@panix.com (Lou Marco) - 2011-01-30 09:46 +0000
    Re: flickers then black screen "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> - 2011-01-30 20:50 -0600
    Re: flickers then black screen ken10254 <kwolfdds@gmail.com> - 2011-01-31 09:34 -0800
      Re: flickers then black screen Bob Villa <pheeh.zero@gmail.com> - 2011-01-31 10:01 -0800
    Re: flickers then black screen "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> - 2011-01-30 14:26 -0600
      Re: flickers then black screen Bob Villa <pheeh.zero@gmail.com> - 2011-01-31 03:33 -0800
      Re: flickers then black screen ken10254 <kwolfdds@gmail.com> - 2011-01-30 16:23 -0800
    Re: flickers then black screen "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> - 2011-01-30 04:19 -0600
    Re: flickers then black screen ken10254 <kwolfdds@gmail.com> - 2011-01-30 16:28 -0800

#2043 — Re: flickers then black screen

In article <1308e3a3-2d11-4b2b-b3bc-8a6879dec9ab@k7g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
ken10254  <kwolfdds@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>The only thing left would be the LCD or the GPU on the motherboard. I

	It's NOT the video chip.  It CAN'T be that. or you wouldn't get
a picture on the monitor either :-) ;-) :-) :-)

	This was a toshiba, right?  Too bad, I've got tons of Thinkpad
parts...  Oh well, sorry you couldn't get it fixed...

>if you have the nerve to disagree or question an answer given. Good
>luck, my friend :)

	lol, all those years in tech support have given me the skin of
a rhinoceros.

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#2045

In 
news:15bb5338-86f3-41be-b72f-86ba6d3615fa@l22g2000pre.googlegroups.com,
ken10254 typed on Sun, 30 Jan 2011 16:23:54 -0800 (PST):
> ... I have used the laptop on external monitor for hours and switched 
> it over and the internal lcd worked for 15 minutes or so then started 
> the flicker thing again.
> I don't have any knowledge of the twin head video chip thing, but it 
> makes sense to me; once the internal side starts being used, it warms 
> up and whatever defect is in there starts to manifest itself. The 
> other side doesn't have this defect, so it works as it is supposed to. 
> I've tried everything else, so I assume it needs a motherboard 
> replacement; then we could determine once and for all if it is a GPU, 
> LCD or video cable problem...

I don't know Ken? That wasn't what I was expecting. As if it was the 
video chip, I would think it would screw up right away as soon as you 
turned it back on after running it after more than 15 minutes. As 
everything in the top lid (LCD and all) should start out ice cold when 
you first turn the internal LCD on (regardless how long the laptop has 
been running). Now I am not sure what to think.

Did Geek Squad actually charge the previous owner for the LCD that 
didn't work? I would think if they were honest (and I heard stories of 
otherwise) that they shouldn't have by putting in parts that didn't fix 
anything and charging for them. If they only charged for labor only, 
well that could mean a lot of things, both either good or bad. But they 
really shouldn't even charge for this either.

-- 
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era)
Centrino Core2 Duo 1.83G - 2GB - Windows XP SP3 

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#2047

On Jan 31, 5:33 am, Bob Villa <pheeh.z...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 30, 6:23 pm, ken10254 <kwolf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Wharfie (?) we all welcome you too. I'd love to know the origins of
> > that nickname :)
>
> The song "Wharf Rat" (The Grateful Dead)

Makes sense as one explanation. I've been a Dead fan since the late
60's. Showing my age...

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#2053

On Jan 31, 11:34 am, ken10254 <kwolf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 31, 5:33 am, Bob Villa <pheeh.z...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 30, 6:23 pm, ken10254 <kwolf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Wharfie (?) we all welcome you too. I'd love to know the origins of
> > > that nickname :)
>
> > The song "Wharf Rat" (The Grateful Dead)
>
> Makes sense as one explanation. I've been a Dead fan since the late
> 60's. Showing my age...

He quoted the song in his post...

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#2050

In news:ii3eee$dq4$1@news.eternal-september.org,
BillW50 typed on Sun, 30 Jan 2011 04:19:01 -0600:
[...]
> Plus Ken's problem only pops up after about 15 minutes after warming
> up and only on the internal display. And there isn't any heat to
> speak of in the LCD panel to cause a thermal problem except for the
> florescent lamp. Which shouldn't be close enough to anything to cause
> a thermal problem somewhere else anyway...

Ken can check this too. As start out with the external monitor and leave 
the internal one off. And sometime after 15 minutes (many hours later if 
you would like), switch to the internal display. And if it is messed up 
from the start, it shouldn't have anything to do with the LCD. As the 
LCD should be ice cold anyway from the start.

Also understand, the way I understand Ken's problem was that Geek Squad 
replaced the LCD panel to correct this same problem and it did nothing. 
If this is correct, it would be totally weird that a third replacement 
would actually fix anything.

And if it takes about 15 minutes to mess up... well I don't think that 
proves anything. As I am not sure what the video chip is doing before 
this anyway. As it might run a bit cooler without the internal display 
running. As it would be hard to guess at without any further 
investigation.

-- 
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era)
Centrino Core2 Duo 1.83G - 2GB - Windows XP SP3 

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#2051

On Jan 30, 6:23 pm, ken10254 <kwolf...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Wharfie (?) we all welcome you too. I'd love to know the origins of
> that nickname :)

The song "Wharf Rat" (The Grateful Dead)

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#2060

On Jan 30, 2:26 pm, "BillW50" <Bill...@aol.kom> wrote:
> Innews:ii3eee$dq4$1@news.eternal-september.org,
> BillW50 typed on Sun, 30 Jan 2011 04:19:01 -0600:
> [...]
>
> > Plus Ken's problem only pops up after about 15 minutes after warming
> > up and only on the internal display. And there isn't any heat to
> > speak of in the LCD panel to cause a thermal problem except for the
> > florescent lamp. Which shouldn't be close enough to anything to cause
> > a thermal problem somewhere else anyway...
>
> Ken can check this too. As start out with the external monitor and leave
> the internal one off. And sometime after 15 minutes (many hours later if
> you would like), switch to the internal display. And if it is messed up
> from the start, it shouldn't have anything to do with the LCD. As the
> LCD should be ice cold anyway from the start.
>
> Also understand, the way I understand Ken's problem was that Geek Squad
> replaced the LCD panel to correct this same problem and it did nothing.
> If this is correct, it would be totally weird that a third replacement
> would actually fix anything.
>
> And if it takes about 15 minutes to mess up... well I don't think that
> proves anything. As I am not sure what the video chip is doing before
> this anyway. As it might run a bit cooler without the internal display
> running. As it would be hard to guess at without any further
> investigation.
>
> --
> Bill
> Gateway M465e ('06 era)
> Centrino Core2 Duo 1.83G - 2GB - Windows XP SP3

Hey guys;
Wow, this is civil!! I'm lovin' it.
I have used the laptop on external monitor for hours and switched it
over and the internal lcd worked for 15 minutes or so then started the
flicker thing again.
I don't have any knowledge of the twin head video chip thing, but it
makes sense to me; once the internal side starts being used, it warms
up and whatever defect is in there starts to manifest itself. The
other side doesn't have this defect, so it works as it is supposed to.
I've tried everything else, so I assume it needs a motherboard
replacement; then we could determine once and for all if it is a GPU,
LCD or video cable problem.
Anyone have a cheap Toshiba motherboard for sale?
Thanks again for all the feedback.
Wharfie (?) we all welcome you too. I'd love to know the origins of
that nickname :)

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#2052

In news:ii3c1q$28b$1@reader1.panix.com,
Lou Marco typed on Sun, 30 Jan 2011 09:46:34 +0000 (UTC):
> In article
> <1308e3a3-2d11-4b2b-b3bc-8a6879dec9ab@k7g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
> ken10254  <kwolfdds@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> The only thing left would be the LCD or the GPU on the motherboard. I
>
> It's NOT the video chip.  It CAN'T be that. or you wouldn't get
> a picture on the monitor either :-) ;-) :-) :-)

Why do you say that Lou? Doesn't most laptops support two independent 
displays? Say like have the main desktop on one display while watching a 
movie on the other screen. And wouldn't that require a dualhead video 
chip to pull that off? Which is like having two video chips in one like 
dual core CPU processors, right?

Plus Ken's problem only pops up after about 15 minutes after warming up 
and only on the internal display. And there isn't any heat to speak of 
in the LCD panel to cause a thermal problem except for the florescent 
lamp. Which shouldn't be close enough to anything to cause a thermal 
problem somewhere else anyway.

I personally believe the cheap way to determine what has failed is with 
a can of freeze. And the first thing I would spray is the video chip. 
And if the problem corrects, then that is definitely what it is. Ken did 
mention before that he didn't want to disassemble the laptop to get to 
the video chip to spray it. But you can get a can of freeze with a hose 
that shouldn't have a problem of getting in there at all. And I believe 
the video chip is on the bottom of the PCB. And surely there should be 
one trap door that could be opened to get it in there.

-- 
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era)
Centrino Core2 Duo 1.83G - 2GB - Windows XP SP3 

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#2063

On Jan 30, 3:46 am, lma...@panix.com (Lou Marco) wrote:
> In article <1308e3a3-2d11-4b2b-b3bc-8a6879dec...@k7g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
>
> ken10254  <kwolf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >The only thing left would be the LCD or the GPU on the motherboard. I
>
>         It's NOT the video chip.  It CAN'T be that. or you wouldn't get
> a picture on the monitor either :-) ;-) :-) :-)
>
>         This was a toshiba, right?  Too bad, I've got tons of Thinkpad
> parts...  Oh well, sorry you couldn't get it fixed...
>
> >if you have the nerve to disagree or question an answer given. Good
> >luck, my friend :)
>
>         lol, all those years in tech support have given me the skin of
> a rhinoceros.

Wharfie;
I am looking for a motherboard for a Thinkpad X61, not the tablet. I
don't have the specifics here at home, but I can give you the exact
number tomorrow. I've been looking for 6 months. Maybe we can do some
business. I'll give you details tomorrow. If you want to take this off-
forum, just let me know. The original got slightly wet in the floods
we had here in May and was doa afterward.
Thanks!

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