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| Started by | Louis Ohland <ohland@charter.net> |
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| First post | 2026-07-30 06:58 -0500 |
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GALAXEUS: New DOS / Bare-Metal Arcade Engine gives solid 78Hz/78 FPS on a 386(sx) CPU (Hi-Res 544x480 on slow 8-Bit ISA Std. VGA) Louis Ohland <ohland@charter.net> - 2026-07-30 06:58 -0500
Re: GALAXEUS: New DOS / Bare-Metal Arcade Engine gives solid 78Hz/78 FPS on a 386(sx) CPU (Hi-Res 544x480 on slow 8-Bit ISA Std. VGA) Louis Ohland <ohland@charter.net> - 2026-07-30 07:05 -0500
Re: GALAXEUS: New DOS / Bare-Metal Arcade Engine gives solid 78Hz/78 FPS on a 386(sx) CPU (Hi-Res 544x480 on slow 8-Bit ISA Std. VGA) "Josh Rodd" <joshua.at.rodd.dot.us@rodd.us> - 2026-07-30 18:08 +0000
Re: GALAXEUS: New DOS / Bare-Metal Arcade Engine gives solid 78Hz/78 FPS on a 386(sx) CPU (Hi-Res 544x480 on slow 8-Bit ISA Std. VGA) "Josh Rodd" <joshua.at.rodd.dot.us@rodd.us> - 2026-07-30 18:09 +0000
Re: GALAXEUS: New DOS / Bare-Metal Arcade Engine gives solid 78Hz/78 FPS on a 386(sx) CPU (Hi-Res 544x480 on slow 8-Bit ISA Std. VGA) Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com> - 2026-07-30 15:42 -0700
Re: GALAXEUS: New DOS / Bare-Metal Arcade Engine gives solid 78Hz/78 FPS on a 386(sx) CPU (Hi-Res 544x480 on slow 8-Bit ISA Std. VGA) "Josh Rodd" <joshua.at.rodd.dot.us@rodd.us> - 2026-08-02 23:55 +0000
9545 Re: GALAXEUS: New DOS / Bare-Metal Arcade Engine gives solid 78Hz/78 FPS on a 386(sx) CPU (Hi-Res 544x480 on slow 8-Bit ISA Std. VGA) Louis Ohland <ohland@charter.net> - 2026-08-02 20:28 -0500
Re: 9545 Re: GALAXEUS: New DOS / Bare-Metal Arcade Engine gives solid 78Hz/78 FPS on a 386(sx) CPU (Hi-Res 544x480 on slow 8-Bit ISA Std. VGA) "Josh Rodd" <joshua.at.rodd.dot.us@rodd.us> - 2026-08-08 03:18 +0000
| From | Louis Ohland <ohland@charter.net> |
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| Date | 2026-07-30 06:58 -0500 |
| Subject | GALAXEUS: New DOS / Bare-Metal Arcade Engine gives solid 78Hz/78 FPS on a 386(sx) CPU (Hi-Res 544x480 on slow 8-Bit ISA Std. VGA) |
| Message-ID | <114fe93$oa8$1@csiph.com> |
https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?threads/galaxeus-new-dos-bare-metal-arcade-engine-gives-solid-78hz-78-fps-on-a-386-sx-cpu-hi-res-544x480-on-slow-8-bit-isa-std-vga.1258384/
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| From | Louis Ohland <ohland@charter.net> |
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| Date | 2026-07-30 07:05 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <114felo$ojl$1@csiph.com> |
| In reply to | #71479 |
Would this be something significant for the 9533? Louis Ohland wrote: > https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?threads/galaxeus-new-dos-bare-metal-arcade-engine-gives-solid-78hz-78-fps-on-a-386-sx-cpu-hi-res-544x480-on-slow-8-bit-isa-std-vga.1258384/ >
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| From | "Josh Rodd" <joshua.at.rodd.dot.us@rodd.us> |
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| Date | 2026-07-30 18:08 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <6a6b933a.61a2b9c1ab576e65@csiph.com> |
| In reply to | #71480 |
Louis Ohland <ohland@charter.net> wrote: > Would this be something significant for the 9533? > > Louis Ohland wrote: > > https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?threads/galaxeus-new-dos-bare-metal-arcade-engine-gives-solid-78hz-78-fps-on-a-386-sx-cpu-hi-res-544x480-on-slow-8-bit-isa-std-vga.1258384/ > > Well, the 9533 has a quite capable CPU in it (a 50Mhz Blue Lightning) using 60ns or 70ns FPM RAM (two cycles of the 25MHz external bus) on a not-so-capable ISA 8MHz bus. However, the XGA(-2) on the PS/2 E is attached some "funny" way, because it certainly performed a lot better than a typical ISA Super VGA would. Maybe that was just the XGA acceleration fooling me, but it had no problems at all keeping up with software rendered M-Motion in 16-bit direct colour. With that said, this project probably isn't too relevant to the PS/2 E since it managed to be a lot faster than a typical 386SX and in particular has a much more capable video system. It's actually a bit of a genius design - the only thing slow are peripherals that are dog-slow anyway, like the IBM 54G0135 drive, spinning just over 3,600 RPM and running at about 1MB/sec. Stacked up next to an MCA bus ThinkPad 720, the PS/2 E's video system performed substantially better than the 720's MCA-attached WD video chip... the same cannot be said for the ESDI drive in the ThinkPad 720, probably because that drive could actually do DMA. Incidentally the PS/2 E was a tragedy when they were being liquidated at Best Buy... 4MB machines with 1MB spent on the video subsystem, booting OS/2, and just swapping like crazy to a laptop-speed drive doing programmed I/O. A 71F7010 4MB upgrade made the thing actually usable.
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| From | "Josh Rodd" <joshua.at.rodd.dot.us@rodd.us> |
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| Date | 2026-07-30 18:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <6a6b9348.c673a4fd9c5fe88b@csiph.com> |
| In reply to | #71480 |
Louis Ohland <ohland@charter.net> wrote: > Would this be something significant for the 9533? > > Louis Ohland wrote: > > https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?threads/galaxeus-new-dos-bare-metal-arcade-engine-gives-solid-78hz-78-fps-on-a-386-sx-cpu-hi-res-544x480-on-slow-8-bit-isa-std-vga.1258384/ > > Well, the 9533 has a quite capable CPU in it (a 50Mhz Blue Lightning) using 60ns or 70ns FPM RAM (two cycles of the 25MHz external bus) on a not-so-capable ISA 8MHz bus. However, the XGA(-2) on the PS/2 E is attached some "funny" way, because it certainly performed a lot better than a typical ISA Super VGA would. Maybe that was just the XGA acceleration fooling me, but it had no problems at all keeping up with software rendered M-Motion in 16-bit direct colour. With that said, this project probably isn't too relevant to the PS/2 E since it managed to be a lot faster than a typical 386SX and in particular has a much more capable video system. It's actually a bit of a genius design - the only thing slow are peripherals that are dog-slow anyway, like the IBM 54G0135 drive, spinning just over 3,600 RPM and running at about 1MB/sec. Stacked up next to an MCA bus ThinkPad 720, the PS/2 E's video system performed substantially better than the 720's MCA-attached WD video chip... the same cannot be said for the ESDI drive in the ThinkPad 720, probably because that drive could actually do DMA. Incidentally the PS/2 E was a tragedy when they were being liquidated at Best Buy... 4MB machines with 1MB spent on the video subsystem, booting OS/2, and just swapping like crazy to a laptop-speed drive doing programmed I/O. A 71F7010 4MB upgrade made the thing actually usable.
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| From | Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-30 15:42 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <114gk01$1e6u$1@csiph.com> |
| In reply to | #71483 |
On 7/30/26 11:09, Josh Rodd wrote: > Louis Ohland <ohland@charter.net> wrote: >> Would this be something significant for the 9533? >> >> Louis Ohland wrote: >>> https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?threads/galaxeus-new-dos-bare-metal-arcade-engine-gives-solid-78hz-78-fps-on-a-386-sx-cpu-hi-res-544x480-on-slow-8-bit-isa-std-vga.1258384/ >>> > > Well, the 9533 has a quite capable CPU in it (a 50Mhz Blue Lightning) > using 60ns or 70ns FPM RAM (two cycles of the 25MHz external bus) on a > not-so-capable ISA 8MHz bus. > > However, the XGA(-2) on the PS/2 E is attached some "funny" way, because > it certainly performed a lot better than a typical ISA Super VGA would. > Maybe that was just the XGA acceleration fooling me, but it had no > problems at all keeping up with software rendered M-Motion in 16-bit > direct colour. Could it be directly CPU bus attached? I would guess it would show up in a particular way if it was ISA attached. > With that said, this project probably isn't too relevant to the PS/2 E > since it managed to be a lot faster than a typical 386SX and in > particular has a much more capable video system. It's actually a bit of > a genius design - the only thing slow are peripherals that are dog-slow > anyway, like the IBM 54G0135 drive, spinning just over 3,600 RPM and > running at about 1MB/sec. > > Stacked up next to an MCA bus ThinkPad 720, the PS/2 E's video system > performed substantially better than the 720's MCA-attached WD video > chip... the same cannot be said for the ESDI drive in the ThinkPad 720, > probably because that drive could actually do DMA. > > Incidentally the PS/2 E was a tragedy when they were being liquidated at > Best Buy... 4MB machines with 1MB spent on the video subsystem, booting > OS/2, and just swapping like crazy to a laptop-speed drive doing > programmed I/O. A 71F7010 4MB upgrade made the thing actually usable.
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| From | "Josh Rodd" <joshua.at.rodd.dot.us@rodd.us> |
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| Date | 2026-08-02 23:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <6a6fd8e2.b1ce2b96688409d7@csiph.com> |
| In reply to | #71484 |
Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com> wrote: > Could it be directly CPU bus attached? I would guess it would show up > in a particular way if it was ISA attached. I have guessed that it was, but I haven't touched a PS/2 E in the flesh since the late 1990s. "Spiritually" I suspect it derives a lot from the Model 35 SLC design, which had a 84F7985 IBM SVGA which looks to be attached to a local bus. The PS/2 E was positioned to be "premium", hence why it had the faster XGA-2 versus the cheap SVGA chipset. (Didn't some Mod. 30s and Mod. 45s use the same planar as the PS/2 E?) > > With that said, this project probably isn't too relevant to the PS/2 E > > since it managed to be a lot faster than a typical 386SX and in > > particular has a much more capable video system. It's actually a bit of > > a genius design - the only thing slow are peripherals that are dog-slow > > anyway, like the IBM 54G0135 drive, spinning just over 3,600 RPM and > > running at about 1MB/sec. > > > > Stacked up next to an MCA bus ThinkPad 720, the PS/2 E's video system > > performed substantially better than the 720's MCA-attached WD video > > chip... the same cannot be said for the ESDI drive in the ThinkPad 720, > > probably because that drive could actually do DMA. > > > > Incidentally the PS/2 E was a tragedy when they were being liquidated at > > Best Buy... 4MB machines with 1MB spent on the video subsystem, booting > > OS/2, and just swapping like crazy to a laptop-speed drive doing > > programmed I/O. A 71F7010 4MB upgrade made the thing actually usable.
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| From | Louis Ohland <ohland@charter.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-02 20:28 -0500 |
| Subject | 9545 Re: GALAXEUS: New DOS / Bare-Metal Arcade Engine gives solid 78Hz/78 FPS on a 386(sx) CPU (Hi-Res 544x480 on slow 8-Bit ISA Std. VGA) |
| Message-ID | <114oqtl$910$1@csiph.com> |
| In reply to | #71498 |
The 9545 used the 9540 case and the 9533 sysboard. Josh Rodd wrote: > Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com> wrote: >> Could it be directly CPU bus attached? I would guess it would show up >> in a particular way if it was ISA attached. > > I have guessed that it was, but I haven't touched a PS/2 E in the flesh > since the late 1990s. > > "Spiritually" I suspect it derives a lot from the Model 35 SLC design, > which had a 84F7985 IBM SVGA which looks to be attached to a local bus. > The PS/2 E was positioned to be "premium", hence why it had the faster > XGA-2 versus the cheap SVGA chipset. > > (Didn't some Mod. 30s and Mod. 45s use the same planar as the PS/2 E?) > >>> With that said, this project probably isn't too relevant to the PS/2 E >>> since it managed to be a lot faster than a typical 386SX and in >>> particular has a much more capable video system. It's actually a bit of >>> a genius design - the only thing slow are peripherals that are dog-slow >>> anyway, like the IBM 54G0135 drive, spinning just over 3,600 RPM and >>> running at about 1MB/sec. >>> >>> Stacked up next to an MCA bus ThinkPad 720, the PS/2 E's video system >>> performed substantially better than the 720's MCA-attached WD video >>> chip... the same cannot be said for the ESDI drive in the ThinkPad 720, >>> probably because that drive could actually do DMA. >>> >>> Incidentally the PS/2 E was a tragedy when they were being liquidated at >>> Best Buy... 4MB machines with 1MB spent on the video subsystem, booting >>> OS/2, and just swapping like crazy to a laptop-speed drive doing >>> programmed I/O. A 71F7010 4MB upgrade made the thing actually usable. > >
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| From | "Josh Rodd" <joshua.at.rodd.dot.us@rodd.us> |
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| Date | 2026-08-08 03:18 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: 9545 Re: GALAXEUS: New DOS / Bare-Metal Arcade Engine gives solid 78Hz/78 FPS on a 386(sx) CPU (Hi-Res 544x480 on slow 8-Bit ISA Std. VGA) |
| Message-ID | <6a769ffa.4fd6cf5fae7ff842@csiph.com> |
| In reply to | #71499 |
I seem to recall some Japanese thing (not sure if it was a PS/55 or if they were calling them PS/2s in Japan by then) that had both ISA and MCA slots, and it looked very much like a 9533 PS/2 E. Louis Ohland <ohland@charter.net> wrote: > The 9545 used the 9540 case and the 9533 sysboard. > > Josh Rodd wrote: > > Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com> wrote: > >> Could it be directly CPU bus attached? I would guess it would show up > >> in a particular way if it was ISA attached. > > > > I have guessed that it was, but I haven't touched a PS/2 E in the flesh > > since the late 1990s. > > > > "Spiritually" I suspect it derives a lot from the Model 35 SLC design, > > which had a 84F7985 IBM SVGA which looks to be attached to a local bus. > > The PS/2 E was positioned to be "premium", hence why it had the faster > > XGA-2 versus the cheap SVGA chipset. > > > > (Didn't some Mod. 30s and Mod. 45s use the same planar as the PS/2 E?) > > > >>> With that said, this project probably isn't too relevant to the PS/2 E > >>> since it managed to be a lot faster than a typical 386SX and in > >>> particular has a much more capable video system. It's actually a bit of > >>> a genius design - the only thing slow are peripherals that are dog-slow > >>> anyway, like the IBM 54G0135 drive, spinning just over 3,600 RPM and > >>> running at about 1MB/sec. > >>> > >>> Stacked up next to an MCA bus ThinkPad 720, the PS/2 E's video system > >>> performed substantially better than the 720's MCA-attached WD video > >>> chip... the same cannot be said for the ESDI drive in the ThinkPad 720, > >>> probably because that drive could actually do DMA. > >>> > >>> Incidentally the PS/2 E was a tragedy when they were being liquidated at > >>> Best Buy... 4MB machines with 1MB spent on the video subsystem, booting > >>> OS/2, and just swapping like crazy to a laptop-speed drive doing > >>> programmed I/O. A 71F7010 4MB upgrade made the thing actually usable. > > > >
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