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  What difficultly level do you play one? JAB <noway@nochance.com> - 2024-07-07 10:23 +0100
    Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> - 2024-07-07 08:02 -0400
      Re: What difficultly level do you play one? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-07 13:50 +0000
      Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2024-07-07 10:19 -0400
      Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Zersterer <nochsfentor@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-07 12:51 -0500
      Re: What difficultly level do you play one? JAB <noway@nochance.com> - 2024-07-08 21:26 +0100
        Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> - 2024-07-10 08:51 -0400
          Re: What difficultly level do you play one? JAB <noway@nochance.com> - 2024-07-15 12:54 +0100
    Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2024-07-07 08:15 -0700
      Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2024-07-07 13:28 -0400
        Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> - 2024-07-07 14:17 -0400
          Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Xocyll <Xocyll@gmx.com> - 2024-07-08 10:33 -0400
          Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2024-07-08 15:41 -0400
            Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> - 2024-07-10 08:55 -0400
              Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-24 08:24 -0700
                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> - 2024-07-24 17:54 -0400
                  Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2024-07-24 19:01 -0400
                    Re: What difficultly level do you play one? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-29 01:20 +0000
                      Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> - 2024-07-29 09:14 -0400
        Re: What difficultly level do you play one? JAB <noway@nochance.com> - 2024-07-08 21:38 +0100
        Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-10 06:14 -0500
          Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> - 2024-07-10 09:04 -0400
            Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2024-07-10 17:29 -0400
      Re: What difficultly level do you play one? JAB <noway@nochance.com> - 2024-07-08 21:46 +0100
        Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2024-07-09 12:27 -0400
          Re: What difficultly level do you play one? JAB <noway@nochance.com> - 2024-07-10 09:28 +0100
            Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-10 06:22 -0500
              Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2024-07-10 17:40 -0400
              Re: What difficultly level do you play one? JAB <noway@nochance.com> - 2024-07-11 09:31 +0100
                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2024-07-11 11:23 -0400
                  Re: What difficultly level do you play one? JAB <noway@nochance.com> - 2024-07-13 09:45 +0100
                    Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2024-07-13 11:43 -0400
                      Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2024-07-13 09:02 -0700
                        Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-15 10:22 -0500
                      Re: What difficultly level do you play one? JAB <noway@nochance.com> - 2024-07-14 10:15 +0100
                        Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2024-07-14 14:15 -0400
                          Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2024-07-14 13:24 -0700
                          Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Zersterer <nochsfentor@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-14 16:35 -0500
                          Re: What difficultly level do you play one? JAB <noway@nochance.com> - 2024-07-15 12:51 +0100
                            Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2024-07-15 07:47 -0700
                            Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-15 10:39 -0500
                              Re: What difficultly level do you play one? JAB <noway@nochance.com> - 2024-07-19 10:07 +0100
                                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-19 14:50 +0000
                              Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2024-08-01 12:09 +0300
                                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? JAB <noway@nochance.com> - 2024-08-01 12:58 +0100
                            Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Zersterer <nochsfentor@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-15 11:48 -0500
                              Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Zersterer <nochsfentor@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-15 12:28 -0500
                          Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-15 10:31 -0500
                            Re: What difficultly level do you play one? JAB <noway@nochance.com> - 2024-07-19 10:14 +0100
                      Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-15 10:19 -0500
                        Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2024-07-15 15:43 -0400
                          Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Zersterer <nochsfentor@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-15 15:10 -0500
                          Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> - 2024-07-16 08:47 -0400
                            Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Zersterer <nochsfentor@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-16 12:50 -0500
                              Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> - 2024-07-16 15:49 -0400
                          Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-16 18:24 -0500
                            Re: What difficultly level do you play one? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-17 16:00 +0000
                              Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-17 12:47 -0500
                                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-19 14:50 +0000
                          Re: What difficultly level do you play one? JAB <noway@nochance.com> - 2024-07-17 09:28 +0100
                            Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2024-07-17 11:14 -0400
                              Re: What difficultly level do you play one? JAB <noway@nochance.com> - 2024-07-18 09:33 +0100
                              Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-24 08:52 -0700
                                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2024-07-24 21:25 -0400
                                  Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2024-07-24 21:48 -0700
                                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? JAB <noway@nochance.com> - 2024-07-25 08:39 +0100
                            Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-17 10:24 -0500
              Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-24 08:36 -0700
          Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-10 06:15 -0500
            Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> - 2024-07-10 09:17 -0400
              Re: What difficultly level do you play one? rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca (Ross Ridge) - 2024-07-10 14:43 +0000
                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> - 2024-07-10 12:28 -0400
          Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> - 2024-07-10 09:12 -0400
            Re: What difficultly level do you play one? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-10 13:50 +0000
              Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> - 2024-07-10 12:34 -0400
                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-13 16:30 +0000
                  Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> - 2024-07-13 14:09 -0400
                    Re: What difficultly level do you play one? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-13 21:20 +0000
                      Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> - 2024-07-14 07:54 -0400
                        Re: What difficultly level do you play one? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-14 16:40 +0000
                    Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2024-07-14 14:23 -0400
                      Re: What difficultly level do you play one? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-16 15:10 +0000
                        Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2024-07-16 13:07 -0400
                          Re: What difficultly level do you play one? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-17 15:50 +0000
          Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-24 08:30 -0700
            Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2024-07-24 21:35 -0400
              Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-25 06:24 -0700
              Re: What difficultly level do you play one? rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca (Ross Ridge) - 2024-07-25 14:22 +0000
    Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-07 08:48 -0700
      Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-10 06:24 -0500
        Re: What difficultly level do you play one? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-10 13:50 +0000
        Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-24 09:06 -0700
    Re: What difficultly level do you play one? ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2024-07-07 20:12 +0000
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      Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> - 2024-07-10 09:19 -0400
    Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-09 19:00 -0500
    Re: What difficultly level do you play one? rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca (Ross Ridge) - 2024-07-10 14:27 +0000
    Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2024-07-14 23:35 +0300
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#46540 — What difficultly level do you play one?

This one came up on a channel for table top miniatures games but they 
did also talk about computer games. Now of course this is all personal 
preference as there's no right way to enjoy games but the main thrust of 
the argument was that the advantage of playing on easy mode (in the TT 
context that was interchangeable with social) was it gives you a lot 
more scope to be creative and play the game how you want and just try 
things out to see what happens.

That's certain how I approach CRPG's. I don't want to go through 
numerous guides on how to build an optimal character, I want to pick 
what I fancy playing. My general strategy is start on normal mode and if 
it all becomes too much, which it often does as the game progresses and 
your character/party becomes progressively less optimal, change it to 
easy mode and carry on.

One of the interesting parts they said is that if you're effectively 
going to use someone else's build then what not just watch them playing 
the game. Obviously that's a bit of hyperbole but I can understand their 
point.

So for me, yep I play on easy mode.

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#46541

On Sun, 7 Jul 2024 10:23:16 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

>So for me, yep I play on easy mode.

If it is a strategy game, I play on the easiest difficulty and move up
from there. I usually end up at one of the middle difficulties and
don't go and higher. The only one I play at the harder settings is
HOMM III because it is my favorite strategy game and I just got good
at it from playing it so much.

If it is an RPG, I play it at normal difficulty and leave it there.

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#46543

Mike S <Mike_S@nowhere.com> wrote at 12:02 this Sunday (GMT):
> On Sun, 7 Jul 2024 10:23:16 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:
>
>>So for me, yep I play on easy mode.
>
> If it is a strategy game, I play on the easiest difficulty and move up
> from there. I usually end up at one of the middle difficulties and
> don't go and higher. The only one I play at the harder settings is
> HOMM III because it is my favorite strategy game and I just got good
> at it from playing it so much.
>
> If it is an RPG, I play it at normal difficulty and leave it there.


Usually, I play at either normal, one below normal, or one above
easiest..
-- 
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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#46550

On Sun, 07 Jul 2024 08:02:47 -0400, Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com>
wrote:

>On Sun, 7 Jul 2024 10:23:16 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:
>
>>So for me, yep I play on easy mode.
>
>If it is a strategy game, I play on the easiest difficulty and move up
>from there. I usually end up at one of the middle difficulties and
>don't go and higher. The only one I play at the harder settings is
>HOMM III because it is my favorite strategy game and I just got good
>at it from playing it so much.
>
>If it is an RPG, I play it at normal difficulty and leave it there.

Generally, I start on the default difficulty. If it's a game (or
genre) I really enjoy maybe I'll up the difficulty a level or two. I
almost never play on the hardest difficulty levels. 

But that's because I largely play games for the experience rather than
the challenge. I want to immerse myself in a virtual world, play out
the story, live out the power-fantasy. Being able to say I beat the
computer has never really had that much appeal to me.

And the one thing I absolutely detest in video-games is
repetitiveness. It's bad enough that most games have incredibly
shallow gameplay to begin with; I can endure that.

(I mean, "Doom" is just 'shoot dodge run shoot jump shoot shoot pickup
shoot open door shoot' repeated over 8 hours ;-)

But if I have to do the same sequence more than once, it becomes
annoying. If I have to do it more than twice the game rapidly starts
losing its attraction. Thus, if I get to a point in the game where the
difficulty curve rapidly spikes upwards and I'm forced to fight
through the same arenas over and over again because I keep getting
defeated, I'm not averse to lowering the difficulty. Or even --dare I
say it aloud?-- cheating (gasp! I said it). I'd rather not but there
are times I've typed in the secret codes to sneak past particularly
annoying bits. I'm much more interested in just getting on with the
story than banging my head against an egregiously annoying boss or
platforming sequence. 

(I'll also sometimes cheat just to bypass the too-slow leveling up in
games that demand an undue amount of grind to actually get to the good
stuff; you know, the cool skills and weapons. Playing a game for ten
or twenty hours BEFORE you get to the bits that are actually fun is
not my cup of tea. I'll happily hexedit myself some unearned skill
points and XP first).

But on the whole I try to play honestly. So long as the game remains
fun, I'll play by its rules. But I don't feel the need to make it
unduely difficult either. The game is supposed to entertain me, after
all. 

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#46559

Mike S. wrote:
> On Sun, 7 Jul 2024 10:23:16 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:
> 
>> So for me, yep I play on easy mode.
> 
> If it is a strategy game, I play on the easiest difficulty and move up
> from there. I usually end up at one of the middle difficulties and
> don't go and higher. The only one I play at the harder settings is
> HOMM III because it is my favorite strategy game and I just got good
> at it from playing it so much.
> 
> If it is an RPG, I play it at normal difficulty and leave it there.
> 
I play Civilization at high difficulty to learn more of the game.

I won the Wings of Liberty on Easy mode to cut through it like a knife 
through butter.

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#46572

On 07/07/2024 13:02, Mike S. wrote:
> On Sun, 7 Jul 2024 10:23:16 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:
> 
>> So for me, yep I play on easy mode.
> 
> If it is a strategy game, I play on the easiest difficulty and move up
> from there. I usually end up at one of the middle difficulties and
> don't go and higher. The only one I play at the harder settings is
> HOMM III because it is my favorite strategy game and I just got good
> at it from playing it so much.
> 
> If it is an RPG, I play it at normal difficulty and leave it there.

Strategy games I tend to treat slightly different and I'm unlikely to 
play on easy mode even if I'm struggling a bit as it kinda feels that 
then I missing the point of playing the game so the path is learn how to 
play better.

Saying that in Field of Glory II I have dabbled with using the easy mode 
so I can try out army formations that I know just don't work but I want 
to see if I can get something out of them.

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#46612

On Mon, 8 Jul 2024 21:26:56 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

>Strategy games I tend to treat slightly different and I'm unlikely to 
>play on easy mode even if I'm struggling a bit as it kinda feels that 
>then I missing the point of playing the game so the path is learn how to 
>play better.

I play strategy games on the easiest difficulty to learn how to play
the game. That's it. Getting over the learning curve is my only
concern at this point. Wanting to play it better is precisely why I
start to bump up the difficulty.

RPGs don't really have a learning curve (not to me anyway) so I don't
bother playing them on easy.

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#46684

On 10/07/2024 13:51, Mike S. wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Jul 2024 21:26:56 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:
> 
>> Strategy games I tend to treat slightly different and I'm unlikely to
>> play on easy mode even if I'm struggling a bit as it kinda feels that
>> then I missing the point of playing the game so the path is learn how to
>> play better.
> 
> I play strategy games on the easiest difficulty to learn how to play
> the game. That's it. Getting over the learning curve is my only
> concern at this point. Wanting to play it better is precisely why I
> start to bump up the difficulty.
> 

Strategy games I tend to go with normal to start with as I feel that's 
the most effective way to learn how to play the game.

> RPGs don't really have a learning curve (not to me anyway) so I don't
> bother playing them on easy.

It's not the learning curve as such but instead I'm there for the story 
and faffing about with actually learning the game isn't a big priority 
for me.

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#46551

On 7/7/2024 2:23 AM, JAB wrote:
> This one came up on a channel for table top miniatures games but they 
> did also talk about computer games. Now of course this is all personal 
> preference as there's no right way to enjoy games but the main thrust of 
> the argument was that the advantage of playing on easy mode (in the TT 
> context that was interchangeable with social) was it gives you a lot 
> more scope to be creative and play the game how you want and just try 
> things out to see what happens.
> 
> That's certain how I approach CRPG's. I don't want to go through 
> numerous guides on how to build an optimal character, I want to pick 
> what I fancy playing. My general strategy is start on normal mode and if 
> it all becomes too much, which it often does as the game progresses and 
> your character/party becomes progressively less optimal, change it to 
> easy mode and carry on.
> 
> One of the interesting parts they said is that if you're effectively 
> going to use someone else's build then what not just watch them playing 
> the game. Obviously that's a bit of hyperbole but I can understand their 
> point.
> 
> So for me, yep I play on easy mode.
> 
I'm much the same.  I've had too much stress in my life and am getting 
to old to be in a constant adrenaline rush playing a game.  I'm not 
playing to prove anything, I'm playing to have fun and relax.

-- 
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky 
dirty old man.

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#46558

On Sun, 7 Jul 2024 08:15:57 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

>On 7/7/2024 2:23 AM, JAB wrote:
>> This one came up on a channel for table top miniatures games but they 
>> did also talk about computer games. Now of course this is all personal 
>> preference as there's no right way to enjoy games but the main thrust of 
>> the argument was that the advantage of playing on easy mode (in the TT 
>> context that was interchangeable with social) was it gives you a lot 
>> more scope to be creative and play the game how you want and just try 
>> things out to see what happens.
>> 
>> That's certain how I approach CRPG's. I don't want to go through 
>> numerous guides on how to build an optimal character, I want to pick 
>> what I fancy playing. My general strategy is start on normal mode and if 
>> it all becomes too much, which it often does as the game progresses and 
>> your character/party becomes progressively less optimal, change it to 
>> easy mode and carry on.
>> 
>> One of the interesting parts they said is that if you're effectively 
>> going to use someone else's build then what not just watch them playing 
>> the game. Obviously that's a bit of hyperbole but I can understand their 
>> point.
>> 
>> So for me, yep I play on easy mode.
>> 
>I'm much the same.  I've had too much stress in my life and am getting 
>to old to be in a constant adrenaline rush playing a game.  I'm not 
>playing to prove anything, I'm playing to have fun and relax.

The way I look at it is: I've done my time banging my head against
computer game difficulty. I've done the hard stuff. I've played Doom
on Nightmare mode. I've flown Falcon 4.0 with max realism settings. I
beat Syndicate: American Revolt. I've nothing to prove anymore. I
shown I have the chops. If I want to go a bit easier nowadays, that's
no problem. I've _earned_ my easy mode. ;-P

But it's also an issue of time. Not so much that I have less time to
play games, but I have such a surplus of games, I can't dedicate
months to a single title just to achieve mastery of its mechanics.
That backlog isn't getting any smaller, after all!

And, if I'm totally honest, my reflexes have definitely slowed. )I
tend to think of it in terms of "how fast can I drive in racing
games", since that's where it's most notable. It used to be that
pushing my car to 300mph was no problem; I could make those turns
without problem. Nowadays I'm down to around 210mph before I start
slamming into things.) So for a lot of games, the inevitable effects
of age make some difficulty levels a lot harder for me than they used
to be. But I prefer not to dwell on that, so consider all my
previously mentioned reasons the more important considerations ;-)

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#46560

On Sun, 07 Jul 2024 13:28:35 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson
<spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

>The way I look at it is: I've done my time banging my head against
>computer game difficulty. I've done the hard stuff. I've played Doom
>on Nightmare mode. I've flown Falcon 4.0 with max realism settings. I
>beat Syndicate: American Revolt. I've nothing to prove anymore. I
>shown I have the chops. If I want to go a bit easier nowadays, that's
>no problem. I've _earned_ my easy mode. ;-P

I loved Syndicate and hated American Revolt precisely because of the
difficulty introduced in that expansion. Congrats on finishing it. I
never did.

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#46569

Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the
porn spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs say:

>On Sun, 07 Jul 2024 13:28:35 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson
><spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>The way I look at it is: I've done my time banging my head against
>>computer game difficulty. I've done the hard stuff. I've played Doom
>>on Nightmare mode. I've flown Falcon 4.0 with max realism settings. I
>>beat Syndicate: American Revolt. I've nothing to prove anymore. I
>>shown I have the chops. If I want to go a bit easier nowadays, that's
>>no problem. I've _earned_ my easy mode. ;-P
>
>I loved Syndicate and hated American Revolt precisely because of the
>difficulty introduced in that expansion. Congrats on finishing it. I
>never did.

Both syndicates, Gauss guns ruled.  Bad guys spawn, bad guys get
vaporized.  End of problem.

Xocyll

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#46585

On Sun, 07 Jul 2024 14:17:01 -0400, Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com>
wrote:

>On Sun, 07 Jul 2024 13:28:35 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson
><spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>The way I look at it is: I've done my time banging my head against
>>computer game difficulty. I've done the hard stuff. I've played Doom
>>on Nightmare mode. I've flown Falcon 4.0 with max realism settings. I
>>beat Syndicate: American Revolt. I've nothing to prove anymore. I
>>shown I have the chops. If I want to go a bit easier nowadays, that's
>>no problem. I've _earned_ my easy mode. ;-P
>
>I loved Syndicate and hated American Revolt precisely because of the
>difficulty introduced in that expansion. Congrats on finishing it. I
>never did.

I banged my head against that one for a long time. It didn't actually
occur to me at the time that the game was actually significantly
harder. I just assumed I wasn't 'getting it' or was somehow missing
out on some sort of obvious strategy. Most likely because --unlike the
first game-- I wasn't really focused on the game in the same way.
"American Revolt" didn't really add anything new, except more levels
(and maybe a gun or two? I forget. It's been a long time). My
lingering impression of the game wasn't that it was /hard/ but that it
was /boring/.

Which isn't to say I was some sort of expert who got through the game
with ease; far from it. I recall a lot of dying and restarting the
levels. I perservered just because that's what we did back then,
before our video game libraries grew so voluminous that we could
AFFORD to quit games long before we'd eked out every iota of
enjoyment. But I put the fault on myself --rather than the game-- for
not enjoying it as much as the original.

Still, I've never made any real attempt to replay the expansion. I've
gone through the original numerous times, but that one trek through
"American Revolt's" levels were enough for me. These days, given its
reputation for difficulty, I don't even /try/. 

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#46613

On Mon, 08 Jul 2024 15:41:08 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson
<spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

>Still, I've never made any real attempt to replay the expansion. I've
>gone through the original numerous times, but that one trek through
>"American Revolt's" levels were enough for me. These days, given its
>reputation for difficulty, I don't even /try/. 

I want to play Syndicate again at some point as I only went through it
once and after all these years, it will feel almost fresh to me. I
will keep Xocyll's advice in mind about Gauss guns and see if the
expansion is as hard as I remember it being.

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#46843

On 7/10/2024 5:55 AM, Mike S. wrote:
> On Mon, 08 Jul 2024 15:41:08 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson
> <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Still, I've never made any real attempt to replay the expansion. I've
>> gone through the original numerous times, but that one trek through
>> "American Revolt's" levels were enough for me. These days, given its
>> reputation for difficulty, I don't even /try/.
> 
> I want to play Syndicate again at some point as I only went through it
> once and after all these years, it will feel almost fresh to me. I
> will keep Xocyll's advice in mind about Gauss guns and see if the
> expansion is as hard as I remember it being.

IIRC I used the weapon that let you hack people into fighting for you 
extensively.  I don't remember if I ever played the expansion though.

I did play #2 and got stuck fairly early and only replayed it much later 
after internet was well established to look up how to get past that 
spot, and finally beat it. I didn't enjoy it anywhere near as much as 
the original, something in the changes just lost the magic for me, 
possibly the lack of the hacking people being there or effective.  I 
always love charming things.

-- 
-Justisaur

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#46864

On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 08:24:18 -0700, Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>IIRC I used the weapon that let you hack people into fighting for you 
>extensively.  I don't remember if I ever played the expansion though.

The Persuadetron I think it was called.. or something like that.

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#46866

On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 17:54:55 -0400, Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 08:24:18 -0700, Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>>IIRC I used the weapon that let you hack people into fighting for you 
>>extensively.  I don't remember if I ever played the expansion though.
>
>The Persuadetron I think it was called.. or something like that.

You are correct. 

The Persuadatron was an epic weapon. I'd usually spend the first half
of the mission just running around mesmerizing the populace. The more
people you persuaded, the more powerful the effect. If you brainwashed
ten civilians, you're Persuadatron became powerful enough to brainwash
police. With five police following you, you could brainwash enemy
agents.

The more powerful your agent's cyberbrain, the more effect the device
too. 

It wasn't without risk, though. If you brainwash enemy agents, you
don't get to keep any of the weapons they'd normally drop after you
kill them. Selling those weapons were an early source of income in the
game. And you could softlock your game (or at least the mission) if
you brainwashed somebody you were supposed to kill.

[There was a trick around that, though. Have the agent with the
persuadatron get into a car. His brainwashed followers will all pile
into the car with him. Have your other agents shoot the car until it
blows up. Problem solved, albeit at the cost of an agent ;-]

Once you got enough civilians following you, you were almost
unstoppable. Sure, the civilians were initially unarmed but they'd
grab any dropped weapon they could get their hands on (brainwashed
police and agents came with their own guns, of course). Frail and
innaccurate as they were, twenty or thirty civilians could easily take
down an enemy agent on their own. 

The Persuadatron was /such/ an effective tactic that later missions
nerfed it by having you run through missions with only a few (or
sometimes no) civilians.

Still, I remember being quite impressed at how well my PC could render
dozens of units on screen all at the same time. Pretty good for a 386.

("Syndicate" was also the first game I came across that used
DOS4GW.EXE, meaning it was possibly the first '32-bit' game I ever
played.)

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#46928

Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote at 23:01 this Wednesday (GMT):
> On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 17:54:55 -0400, Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 08:24:18 -0700, Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>IIRC I used the weapon that let you hack people into fighting for you 
>>>extensively.  I don't remember if I ever played the expansion though.
>>
>>The Persuadetron I think it was called.. or something like that.
>
> You are correct. 
>
> The Persuadatron was an epic weapon. I'd usually spend the first half
> of the mission just running around mesmerizing the populace. The more
> people you persuaded, the more powerful the effect. If you brainwashed
> ten civilians, you're Persuadatron became powerful enough to brainwash
> police. With five police following you, you could brainwash enemy
> agents.
>
> The more powerful your agent's cyberbrain, the more effect the device
> too. 
>
> It wasn't without risk, though. If you brainwash enemy agents, you
> don't get to keep any of the weapons they'd normally drop after you
> kill them. Selling those weapons were an early source of income in the
> game. And you could softlock your game (or at least the mission) if
> you brainwashed somebody you were supposed to kill.
>
> [There was a trick around that, though. Have the agent with the
> persuadatron get into a car. His brainwashed followers will all pile
> into the car with him. Have your other agents shoot the car until it
> blows up. Problem solved, albeit at the cost of an agent ;-]
>
> Once you got enough civilians following you, you were almost
> unstoppable. Sure, the civilians were initially unarmed but they'd
> grab any dropped weapon they could get their hands on (brainwashed
> police and agents came with their own guns, of course). Frail and
> innaccurate as they were, twenty or thirty civilians could easily take
> down an enemy agent on their own. 
>
> The Persuadatron was /such/ an effective tactic that later missions
> nerfed it by having you run through missions with only a few (or
> sometimes no) civilians.
>
> Still, I remember being quite impressed at how well my PC could render
> dozens of units on screen all at the same time. Pretty good for a 386.
>
> ("Syndicate" was also the first game I came across that used
> DOS4GW.EXE, meaning it was possibly the first '32-bit' game I ever
> played.)


i love "convert the enemy to your side" mechanics in games
-- 
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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#46941

On Mon, 29 Jul 2024 01:20:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07
<candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:

>i love "convert the enemy to your side" mechanics in games

"Wololo" - Age of Empires

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#46566

On 07/07/2024 18:28, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
> The way I look at it is: I've done my time banging my head against
> computer game difficulty. I've done the hard stuff. I've played Doom
> on Nightmare mode. I've flown Falcon 4.0 with max realism settings. I
> beat Syndicate: American Revolt. I've nothing to prove anymore. I
> shown I have the chops. If I want to go a bit easier nowadays, that's
> no problem. I've_earned_  my easy mode. 😜

The only Falcon game I played was the original on the Atari ST. Boy did 
I try to learn that although I progressed with the actual mission play 
the one I really couldn't get the hang of was landing, kinda of 
important in a flight sim. In the end I gave up and went back to playing 
Gunship.

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