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  Re: ATARI is crap! "Adelbert Affenstaat" <a@ff.e> - 2016-01-29 22:24 +0100
    Re: ATARI is crap! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-01-30 12:36 +1300
      Re: ATARI is crap! Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2016-01-30 08:08 -0700
        Re: ATARI is crap! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-01-31 10:02 +1300
          Re: ATARI is crap! Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2016-01-30 15:26 -0700
            Re: ATARI is crap! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-01-31 13:39 +1300
              Re: ATARI is crap! Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2016-01-30 18:06 -0700
                Re: ATARI is crap! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-01-31 17:49 +1300
                Re: ATARI is crap! Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2016-01-30 22:17 -0700
                  Re: ATARI is crap! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-01-31 19:38 +1300
                    Re: ATARI is crap! Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2016-01-31 07:35 -0700
                      Re: ATARI is crap! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-02-01 13:24 +1300
                        Re: ATARI is crap! Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2016-01-31 19:45 -0700
                          Re: ATARI is crap! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-02-01 16:31 +1300
                            Re: ATARI is crap! Clu <drclu@swbell.net> - 2016-02-05 10:49 -0600
                              Re: ATARI is crap! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-02-06 09:57 +1300
    Re: ATARI is crap! Harry Potter <rose.joseph12@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-30 10:56 -0800
      Re: ATARI is crap! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-01-31 10:06 +1300
        Re: ATARI is crap! Harry Potter <rose.joseph12@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-30 15:26 -0800
          Re: ATARI is crap! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-01-31 13:37 +1300
          Re: ATARI is crap! Andreas Kohlbach <janrat.9.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2016-01-31 17:49 -0500
            Re: ATARI is crap! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-02-01 13:29 +1300
              Re: ATARI is crap! NOSPAM.Kurt.Weiske@f1.n770.z1199.fidonet.org (Kurt Weiske) - 2016-02-02 06:58 +1200
                Re: ATARI is crap! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-02-03 09:31 +1300
    Re: ATARI is crap! Dombo <dombo@disposable.invalid> - 2016-01-31 21:56 +0100

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#6787

Harry Potter wrote on 30. January 2016:
>
> On Saturday, January 30, 2016 at 4:05:39 PM UTC-5, Your Name wrote:
>> Yep, the good ol' days of programming, when you had a whopping 1K of
>> RAM to play with, so had to program efficiently ... unlike these days
>> of lazy, over-bloated, inefficient code.  :-(
>> 
>> Write the "Hellow World" program on a VIC 20 BASIC and it takes up a
>> few bytes. Write it on a modern computer in something RealBASIC, build
>> the application, and it takes up a megabyte or more, thanks mostly to
>> all the pointlessly included libraries that aren't even needed.
>
> I agree totally!  Optimize a modern game for speed by 30%, and you will
> be able to do 30% more special effects on a certain computer or the
> same on a 30% slower computer, so optimizing can *still* help.  :) Just
> my opinion.

Back in the days I used Windows (until 2001) I already noticed that for
example the installation of a graphic card driver was pure bloat. I seem
to recall the package had some 200 MB already.

I let it extract but not complete (asked to accept the EULA at that
point) and looked into the %TEMP% directory where it unpacked
itself. Copied some .ini, .inf, .ocx, .drv and a few other files
elsewhere, and aborted the installation (which cleaned itself up). Then
just right clicked the .inf file and it would install just the driver which
worked after a reboot. And none of the flash animation bloat what would
had otherwise come with it to waste disk space.

I would assume today it's even worse. You probably don't get a GPU driver
smaller than 1GB? *g*
-- 
Andreas

I use a Unix based operating system, which means I get laid almost as often
as I have to reboot my computer.

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#6789

In article <878u35tldj.fsf@usenet.ankman.de>, Andreas Kohlbach
<janrat.9.ankman@spamgourmet.net> wrote:
> Harry Potter wrote on 30. January 2016:
> >
> > On Saturday, January 30, 2016 at 4:05:39 PM UTC-5, Your Name wrote:
> >> Yep, the good ol' days of programming, when you had a whopping 1K of
> >> RAM to play with, so had to program efficiently ... unlike these days
> >> of lazy, over-bloated, inefficient code.  :-(
> >> 
> >> Write the "Hellow World" program on a VIC 20 BASIC and it takes up a
> >> few bytes. Write it on a modern computer in something RealBASIC, build
> >> the application, and it takes up a megabyte or more, thanks mostly to
> >> all the pointlessly included libraries that aren't even needed.
> >
> > I agree totally!  Optimize a modern game for speed by 30%, and you will
> > be able to do 30% more special effects on a certain computer or the
> > same on a 30% slower computer, so optimizing can *still* help.  :) Just
> > my opinion.
> 
> Back in the days I used Windows (until 2001) I already noticed that for
> example the installation of a graphic card driver was pure bloat. I seem
> to recall the package had some 200 MB already.
> 
> I let it extract but not complete (asked to accept the EULA at that
> point) and looked into the %TEMP% directory where it unpacked
> itself. Copied some .ini, .inf, .ocx, .drv and a few other files
> elsewhere, and aborted the installation (which cleaned itself up). Then
> just right clicked the .inf file and it would install just the driver which
> worked after a reboot. And none of the flash animation bloat what would
> had otherwise come with it to waste disk space.
> 
> I would assume today it's even worse. You probably don't get a GPU driver
> smaller than 1GB? *g*

Printer driver installers are extremely bad. For some idiotic reason
some printer makers think it's a clever idea to pointlessly put a load
of separate drivers all in the same massive download.  :-\

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#6795

  Re: Re: ATARI is crap!
  By: Your Name to janrat.9.ankman@spamgourmet.net on Mon Feb 01 2016 01:29 pm

 YN> Printer driver installers are extremely bad. For some idiotic reason
 YN> some printer makers think it's a clever idea to pointlessly put a load
 YN> of separate drivers all in the same massive download. :-\

If you poke around, you can find the "administrator" driver bundle -- it's just
the bare minimum needed to install the driver on a server, to be pushed to the
client. It's the driver minus the system tray app, the monitor app, the app
that tries to sell you toner/paper/ink...

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#6796

In article <454426331@f1.n770.z1199.fidonet.org>, Kurt Weiske
<NOSPAM.Kurt.Weiske@f1.n770.z1199.fidonet.org> wrote:
>   Re: Re: ATARI is crap!
>   By: Your Name to janrat.9.ankman@spamgourmet.net on Mon Feb 01 2016 01:29 pm
> 
>  YN> Printer driver installers are extremely bad. For some idiotic reason
>  YN> some printer makers think it's a clever idea to pointlessly put a load
>  YN> of separate drivers all in the same massive download. :-\
> 
> If you poke around, you can find the "administrator" driver bundle -- it's
> just the bare minimum needed to install the driver on a server, to be pushed 
> to the client. It's the driver minus the system tray app, the monitor app, 
> the app that tries to sell you toner/paper/ink...

The problem is downloading the "driver" in the first place. You often
have to download a HUGE file with a pile of rubbish for multiple
printers you don't even have.

Once you have the file you may be able to dig around in it.

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#6786

Op 29-Jan-16 om 22:24 schreef Adelbert Affenstaat:
> The ATARI 800 only has crappy games, because the ATARI has crappy sprites,
> crappy colours and a mediocre sound chip.

The Atari 800 could display many more colors than the C64.

> The C64 is MUCH better!
>
> The SID is great, the VIC is great, the C64 is great!

Agreed.

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