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  Re: Best Apple II Diagnostics Programs joe.boyle@gmail.com - 2015-07-23 18:17 -0700
    Re: Best Apple II Diagnostics Programs awanderin <awanderin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-23 23:12 -0600
      Re: Best Apple II Diagnostics Programs Joe Boyle <joe.boyle@gmail.com> - 2015-07-24 13:49 -0700

#25399 — Re: Best Apple II Diagnostics Programs

On Monday, July 29, 2013 at 7:13:56 AM UTC-7, Bill Buckels wrote:
> "Sean Fahey" <a2fan@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >Dr. Nick Romano still sells the NIKROM diagnostics, and last I heard, was 
> >unhappy they're on Asimov. <shrug>
> 
> Well said young fellah...
> 
> I wish that Thomas Fenwick, Jim Goodnow II, and Harry Suckow (the 3 orginal 
> principals of Aztec C) had archived all their source code, manuals, 
> utilities and released versions and put them in a vault somewhere.
> 
> Instead, when they drifted apart, and later when Harry needed the space 
> after he closed Manx Software (Aztec C) altogether, it all became somehow 
> lost forever to us all.
> 
> We could debate the evils of capitalism where MicroSoft became a clear 
> winner in the PC C then C++ compiler market after the eventual decline then 
> demise of Borland International (now somewhat Embarcadero), and the earlier 
> decline and demise of other players like George Eberhardt's (Computer 
> Innovations) C80. (George has boxes of stuff for me but no way to get it to 
> Canada and needs a friendly US drop-off point). There are many paralells on 
> the Apple side as well. And much credit goes to the netizens of csa2 for 
> preserving what is left.
> 
> The domination of Microsoft and focused target markets may have seemed ok to 
> us at the time, but in my mind, products like an MS-DOS based (or Win32 
> based) cross-compiler for the GS would look pretty good right now to some of 
> us. I have ORCA C (Had Think C at one point on my IIci.) but I can still 
> dream about what could have been.
> 
> We can't change history of course, but some of us are doing what we can to 
> prevent history from vanishing, and includes Patrick Kane and the Asimov 
> team.
> 
> I don't know Dr. Romano, nor is it any of my business what he does with his 
> intellectual property from an earlier era. In my own case, what I do for 
> these old platforms can be freely used with or without attribution (of 
> course I would like to be mentioned but at this point who cares! I am not a 
> millionaire yet at 60 so it is unlikely that I will ever be... and sitting 
> behind a desk is unhealthy for me now, so the potential for one or two sales 
> of old stuff will not immortalize me, or provide my family with enough 
> groceries to hold-back my work from still being used by anyone who has the 
> desire to do so).
> 
> So I will now join you... <shrug>
> 
> And commend all others to unselfishly engage in a group shrug...
> 
> Having said that, for major works like Ciderpress and AppleWin, I think that 
> the fellahs who have contributed are brilliant and should enjoy attribution 
> for their efforts and not have others take credit for their unselfish work 
> and community service.
> 
> Bill

I realize this thread is two years old, but I am hoping to locate "Master Diagnostics IIc" as I have a //c exhibiting some ailments and am looking for the best tools I can find to troubleshoot.

It's not on asimov anymore and I can't locate it for sale - any leads?

Joe

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#25404

joe.boyle@gmail.com writes:

> On Monday, July 29, 2013 at 7:13:56 AM UTC-7, Bill Buckels wrote:
>> "Sean Fahey" <a2fan@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >Dr. Nick Romano still sells the NIKROM diagnostics, and last I heard, was 
>> >unhappy they're on Asimov. <shrug>
>> 
>> Well said young fellah...
>> 
>> I wish that Thomas Fenwick, Jim Goodnow II, and Harry Suckow (the 3 orginal 
>> principals of Aztec C) had archived all their source code, manuals, 
>> utilities and released versions and put them in a vault somewhere.
>> 
>> Instead, when they drifted apart, and later when Harry needed the space 
>> after he closed Manx Software (Aztec C) altogether, it all became somehow 
>> lost forever to us all.
>> 
>> We could debate the evils of capitalism where MicroSoft became a clear 
>> winner in the PC C then C++ compiler market after the eventual decline then 
>> demise of Borland International (now somewhat Embarcadero), and the earlier 
>> decline and demise of other players like George Eberhardt's (Computer 
>> Innovations) C80. (George has boxes of stuff for me but no way to get it to 
>> Canada and needs a friendly US drop-off point). There are many paralells on 
>> the Apple side as well. And much credit goes to the netizens of csa2 for 
>> preserving what is left.
>> 
>> The domination of Microsoft and focused target markets may have seemed ok to 
>> us at the time, but in my mind, products like an MS-DOS based (or Win32 
>> based) cross-compiler for the GS would look pretty good right now to some of 
>> us. I have ORCA C (Had Think C at one point on my IIci.) but I can still 
>> dream about what could have been.
>> 
>> We can't change history of course, but some of us are doing what we can to 
>> prevent history from vanishing, and includes Patrick Kane and the Asimov 
>> team.
>> 
>> I don't know Dr. Romano, nor is it any of my business what he does with his 
>> intellectual property from an earlier era. In my own case, what I do for 
>> these old platforms can be freely used with or without attribution (of 
>> course I would like to be mentioned but at this point who cares! I am not a 
>> millionaire yet at 60 so it is unlikely that I will ever be... and sitting 
>> behind a desk is unhealthy for me now, so the potential for one or two sales 
>> of old stuff will not immortalize me, or provide my family with enough 
>> groceries to hold-back my work from still being used by anyone who has the 
>> desire to do so).
>> 
>> So I will now join you... <shrug>
>> 
>> And commend all others to unselfishly engage in a group shrug...
>> 
>> Having said that, for major works like Ciderpress and AppleWin, I think that 
>> the fellahs who have contributed are brilliant and should enjoy attribution 
>> for their efforts and not have others take credit for their unselfish work 
>> and community service.
>> 
>> Bill
>
> I realize this thread is two years old, but I am hoping to locate
> "Master Diagnostics IIc" as I have a //c exhibiting some ailments and
> am looking for the best tools I can find to troubleshoot.
>
> It's not on asimov anymore and I can't locate it for sale - any leads?
>
> Joe

Perhaps take a look at macgui.com?  That site has a good hoard of
files.

--
Jerry    awanderin at gmail dot com

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#25412

On Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 10:12:42 PM UTC-7, awanderin wrote:
> joe.boyle@gmail.com writes:
> 
> > On Monday, July 29, 2013 at 7:13:56 AM UTC-7, Bill Buckels wrote:
> >> "Sean Fahey" <a2fan@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >Dr. Nick Romano still sells the NIKROM diagnostics, and last I heard, was 
> >> >unhappy they're on Asimov. <shrug>
> >> 
> >> Well said young fellah...
> >> 
> >> I wish that Thomas Fenwick, Jim Goodnow II, and Harry Suckow (the 3 orginal 
> >> principals of Aztec C) had archived all their source code, manuals, 
> >> utilities and released versions and put them in a vault somewhere.
> >> 
> >> Instead, when they drifted apart, and later when Harry needed the space 
> >> after he closed Manx Software (Aztec C) altogether, it all became somehow 
> >> lost forever to us all.
> >> 
> >> We could debate the evils of capitalism where MicroSoft became a clear 
> >> winner in the PC C then C++ compiler market after the eventual decline then 
> >> demise of Borland International (now somewhat Embarcadero), and the earlier 
> >> decline and demise of other players like George Eberhardt's (Computer 
> >> Innovations) C80. (George has boxes of stuff for me but no way to get it to 
> >> Canada and needs a friendly US drop-off point). There are many paralells on 
> >> the Apple side as well. And much credit goes to the netizens of csa2 for 
> >> preserving what is left.
> >> 
> >> The domination of Microsoft and focused target markets may have seemed ok to 
> >> us at the time, but in my mind, products like an MS-DOS based (or Win32 
> >> based) cross-compiler for the GS would look pretty good right now to some of 
> >> us. I have ORCA C (Had Think C at one point on my IIci.) but I can still 
> >> dream about what could have been.
> >> 
> >> We can't change history of course, but some of us are doing what we can to 
> >> prevent history from vanishing, and includes Patrick Kane and the Asimov 
> >> team.
> >> 
> >> I don't know Dr. Romano, nor is it any of my business what he does with his 
> >> intellectual property from an earlier era. In my own case, what I do for 
> >> these old platforms can be freely used with or without attribution (of 
> >> course I would like to be mentioned but at this point who cares! I am not a 
> >> millionaire yet at 60 so it is unlikely that I will ever be... and sitting 
> >> behind a desk is unhealthy for me now, so the potential for one or two sales 
> >> of old stuff will not immortalize me, or provide my family with enough 
> >> groceries to hold-back my work from still being used by anyone who has the 
> >> desire to do so).
> >> 
> >> So I will now join you... <shrug>
> >> 
> >> And commend all others to unselfishly engage in a group shrug...
> >> 
> >> Having said that, for major works like Ciderpress and AppleWin, I think that 
> >> the fellahs who have contributed are brilliant and should enjoy attribution 
> >> for their efforts and not have others take credit for their unselfish work 
> >> and community service.
> >> 
> >> Bill
> >
> > I realize this thread is two years old, but I am hoping to locate
> > "Master Diagnostics IIc" as I have a //c exhibiting some ailments and
> > am looking for the best tools I can find to troubleshoot.
> >
> > It's not on asimov anymore and I can't locate it for sale - any leads?
> >
> > Joe
> 
> Perhaps take a look at macgui.com?  That site has a good hoard of
> files.
> 
> --
> Jerry    awanderin at gmail dot com

Thanks Jerry, found it there.  

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