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TransForth IIB

Started by	gids.rs@sasktel.net
First post	2020-04-08 09:53 -0700
Last post	2020-10-09 15:39 -0700
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  TransForth IIB gids.rs@sasktel.net - 2020-04-08 09:53 -0700
    Re: TransForth IIB awanderin <awanderin@gmail.com> - 2020-04-09 01:07 -0600
      Re: TransForth IIB gids.rs@sasktel.net - 2020-04-09 08:22 -0700
        Re: TransForth IIB Nick Westgate <nick.westgate@gmail.com> - 2020-04-09 22:31 -0700
          Re: TransForth IIB gids.rs@sasktel.net - 2020-04-10 17:59 -0700
    Re: TransForth IIB James Davis <JPD.Enterprises@outlook.com> - 2020-04-09 18:13 -0700
      Re: TransForth IIB gids.rs@sasktel.net - 2020-04-09 18:35 -0700
        Re: TransForth IIB James Davis <JPD.Enterprises@outlook.com> - 2020-04-12 00:27 -0700
          Re: TransForth IIB gids.rs@sasktel.net - 2020-04-15 13:11 -0700
          Re: TransForth IIB James Davis <JPD.Enterprises@outlook.com> - 2020-04-17 00:26 -0700
            Re: TransForth IIB Brian Patrie <bpatrie@bellsouth.spamisicky.net> - 2020-04-17 21:43 -0500
              Re: TransForth IIB Antoine Vignau <ntn.vignau@gmail.com> - 2020-04-18 03:27 -0700
              Re: TransForth IIB James Davis <JPD.Enterprises@outlook.com> - 2020-04-19 18:40 -0700
                Re: TransForth IIB Martin Doherty <martindoherty377@gmail.com> - 2020-10-09 15:39 -0700

#5486 — TransForth IIB

From	gids.rs@sasktel.net
Date	2020-04-08 09:53 -0700
Subject	TransForth IIB
Message-ID	<e888189c-f564-4e0b-b7ff-2ad826c9bfe6@googlegroups.com>

Has anyone come across or seen TransForth IIB?  The manual is in quite a few places but not the disk images.

The difference over the regular TransForth is that TF IIB is loaded into the language card and it has words that swaps memory in and out of Aux memory.

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#5488

From	awanderin <awanderin@gmail.com>
Date	2020-04-09 01:07 -0600
Message-ID	<yubftddyw6a.fsf@gmail.com>
In reply to	#5486

gids.rs@sasktel.net writes:

> Has anyone come across or seen TransForth IIB?  The manual is in quite
> a few places but not the disk images.
>
> The difference over the regular TransForth is that TF IIB is loaded
> into the language card and it has words that swaps memory in and out
> of Aux memory.

None of the disk images I have of it have the AUXILIARY file that the
manual says contain the aux-mem words.

-- 
--
Jerry    awanderin at gmail dot com

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#5489

From	gids.rs@sasktel.net
Date	2020-04-09 08:22 -0700
Message-ID	<642a8aa5-f74a-4848-8fa0-b557880a628b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#5488

Thanks for replying.

Was there even an original software package for Transforth?   Was it even sold?

I never saw it other than on copied disks. The manual is pretty complete be Insoft not to have been a software package

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#5492

From	Nick Westgate <nick.westgate@gmail.com>
Date	2020-04-09 22:31 -0700
Message-ID	<4421e70e-6a6e-4a62-96f3-9da804e81b04@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#5489

On Friday, 10 April 2020 01:22:53 UTC+10, gid...@sasktel.net  wrote:
> Was there even an original software package for Transforth?   Was it even sold?

There's a (D-) review of TRANSFORTH II in this book:
https://vintageapple.org/apple_ii/pdf/The_Book_of_Apple_Software_1984.pdf

Cheers,
Nick.

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#5493

From	gids.rs@sasktel.net
Date	2020-04-10 17:59 -0700
Message-ID	<a4720473-6503-48bb-97f5-b689c6f6302a@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#5492

On Thursday, April 9, 2020 at 11:31:39 PM UTC-6, Nick Westgate wrote:
> On Friday, 10 April 2020 01:22:53 UTC+10, gid...@sasktel.net  wrote:
> > Was there even an original software package for Transforth?   Was it even sold?
> 
> There's a (D-) review of TRANSFORTH II in this book:
> https://vintageapple.org/apple_ii/pdf/The_Book_of_Apple_Software_1984.pdf
> 
> Cheers,
> Nick.

Thanks!

I see there is a Math Coprocessor card in there that had Forth software support for it.

EasyWriter is the only large application software in there written in Forth.  Would have been nice to see more programs.

The original Transforth is mentioned, but not Transforth IIB though, which has quite a bit more than the original.

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#5490

From	James Davis <JPD.Enterprises@outlook.com>
Date	2020-04-09 18:13 -0700
Message-ID	<9d30e8f5-bda9-4688-a720-ffdb64ed80cd@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#5486

On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 9:53:11 AM UTC-7, gid...@sasktel.net wrote:
> Has anyone come across or seen TransForth IIB?  The manual is in quite a few places but not the disk images.
> 
> The difference over the regular TransForth is that TF IIB is loaded into the language card and it has words that swaps memory in and out of Aux memory.

The only time I delved into FORTH was back in 1981 when I happened upon a FORTH Computer Conference.  I have a small pamphlet and a 1 inch binder packed full about it.  Most of the leaders of the conference were all about programming machines (like kitchen appliances and clothes washers & dryers) with 6502 microprocessors using FORTH.  It was the first time I ever heard of threaded programming languages.  IIRC, it also has 6502 implementation source code, and I have a 5.25 floppy disk, too.

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#5491

From	gids.rs@sasktel.net
Date	2020-04-09 18:35 -0700
Message-ID	<c72b38e2-8de5-4e97-b465-5178d1b8a9b2@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#5490

I would like to examine the disk if you care to share.

What kind of notes are int binder?  Any word definitions?

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#5494

From	James Davis <JPD.Enterprises@outlook.com>
Date	2020-04-12 00:27 -0700
Message-ID	<173c41f0-7476-453d-a756-5c3455897ceb@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#5491

On Thursday, April 9, 2020 at 6:35:16 PM UTC-7, gid...@sasktel.net wrote:
> I would like to examine the disk if you care to share.
> 
> What kind of notes are int binder?  Any word definitions?

IIRC:

The binder contains everything you need know to implement and use FOURTH on any 6502 microprocessor machine.

The disk had an Apple II implementation on it.

FOURTH was easily ported.

Like the original 'C' language, FOURTH had 21 key words, had a small kernel, and was extensible. 

I will have to find the disk, see if it is still good, and see if I can find it already online somewhere, based on the disk title.  If it is I'll post it's whereabouts here.  If not, I'll see if it is copy-able.  If it is you can send me a 5.25" floppy to copy it onto and return to you.

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#5496

From	gids.rs@sasktel.net
Date	2020-04-15 13:11 -0700
Message-ID	<3cde5102-7c3e-4306-96bb-97eb454e8a97@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#5494

That’s ok if it is just the basic “Starting with Forth” disk

Was hoping to see some programming on the appliance control device.

On another note.

Found another program written in Forth and this one should be more well known.

Dsk2File was written using QForth, is a system application and has a lot of disk programming techniques.  Would never have known if I didn’t happen to come across the source for it.  And I have had this application for a while.

Pretty much everything I wanted to read about with disk accessing and a nice template for writing large applications.

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#5498

From	James Davis <JPD.Enterprises@outlook.com>
Date	2020-04-17 00:26 -0700
Message-ID	<ba4e5a41-7ec5-4612-b147-d5c270f727ca@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#5494

On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 12:27:12 AM UTC-7, James Davis wrote:
> On Thursday, April 9, 2020 at 6:35:16 PM UTC-7, gid...@sasktel.net wrote:
> > I would like to examine the disk if you care to share.
> > 
> > What kind of notes are int binder?  Any word definitions?
> 
> IIRC:
> 
> The binder contains everything you need know to implement and use FOURTH on any 6502 microprocessor machine.
> 
> The disk had an Apple II implementation on it.
> 
> FOURTH was easily ported.
> 
> Like the original 'C' language, FOURTH had 21 key words, had a small kernel, and was extensible. 
> 
> I will have to find the disk, see if it is still good, and see if I can find it already online somewhere, based on the disk title.  If it is I'll post it's whereabouts here.  If not, I'll see if it is copy-able.  If it is you can send me a 5.25" floppy to copy it onto and return to you.

Sorry about misspelling the name FORTH, the 4th generation computer language.  I thought it had a "U" in it like the number four.

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#5507

From	Brian Patrie <bpatrie@bellsouth.spamisicky.net>
Date	2020-04-17 21:43 -0500
Message-ID	<r7dpga$1nn9$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to	#5498

On 17/04/2020 02.26, James Davis wrote:
> Sorry about misspelling the name FORTH, the 4th generation computer language.  I thought it had a "U" in it like the number four.

The lore that i heard was that it would have been "Fourth", but was 
developed on a system with 5 char filenames.  (I have no source for 
this, and have no idea how true it is.)

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#5508

From	Antoine Vignau <ntn.vignau@gmail.com>
Date	2020-04-18 03:27 -0700
Message-ID	<0a85bb9e-9dc5-440c-9c19-48731f33a4bc@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#5507

From wikipedia to a page by Moore about the ForUrth thing @ https://web.archive.org/web/20060615025259/http://www.colorforth.com/HOPL.html

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#5509

From	James Davis <JPD.Enterprises@outlook.com>
Date	2020-04-19 18:40 -0700
Message-ID	<a023afba-019e-4e18-9e83-76158218d0fa@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#5507

On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 7:43:26 PM UTC-7, Brian Patrie wrote:
> On 17/04/2020 02.26, James Davis wrote:
> > Sorry about misspelling the name FORTH, the 4th generation computer language.  I thought it had a "U" in it like the number four.
> 
> The lore that i heard was that it would have been "Fourth", but was 
> developed on a system with 5 char filenames.  (I have no source for 
> this, and have no idea how true it is.)

Have not found the diskette yet!

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#5706

From	Martin Doherty <martindoherty377@gmail.com>
Date	2020-10-09 15:39 -0700
Message-ID	<69744515-740e-4a7f-9f1f-f33124ba3c9an@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#5509

When I saw this thread I was immediately reminded that I saw an active ebay auction for TransFORTH II (not IIB). Here's that link, it's still active as of today (BIN $38.39 USD). https://ebay.us/WfUaN2. Out of curiosity I searched all completed items for "transforth" ... nada.

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