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  CP/M COBOL for the Apple ][ - Please Help m.omalley.au@gmail.com - 2020-04-16 07:33 -0700
    Re: CP/M COBOL for the Apple ][ - Please Help James Davis <JPD.Enterprises@outlook.com> - 2020-04-17 00:33 -0700
      Re: CP/M COBOL for the Apple ][ - Please Help James Davis <JPD.Enterprises@outlook.com> - 2020-04-17 00:43 -0700
        Re: CP/M COBOL for the Apple ][ - Please Help James Davis <JPD.Enterprises@outlook.com> - 2020-04-17 00:46 -0700
          Re: CP/M COBOL for the Apple ][ - Please Help m.omalley.au@gmail.com - 2020-04-17 03:17 -0700
      Re: CP/M COBOL for the Apple ][ - Please Help m.omalley.au@gmail.com - 2020-04-17 03:19 -0700
        Re: CP/M COBOL for the Apple ][ - Please Help gids.rs@sasktel.net - 2020-04-17 11:28 -0700
          Re: CP/M COBOL for the Apple ][ - Please Help awanderin <awanderin@gmail.com> - 2020-04-17 17:30 -0600
            Re: CP/M COBOL for the Apple ][ - Please Help Antoine Vignau <ntn.vignau@gmail.com> - 2020-04-17 18:55 -0700
          Re: CP/M COBOL for the Apple ][ - Please Help m.omalley.au@gmail.com - 2020-04-22 06:12 -0700
    Re: CP/M COBOL for the Apple ][ - Please Help djay <geewilly@netzero.net> - 2020-04-27 16:16 -0700
      Re: CP/M COBOL for the Apple ][ - Please Help djay <geewilly@netzero.net> - 2020-04-27 16:49 -0700
        Re: CP/M COBOL for the Apple ][ - Please Help m.omalley.au@gmail.com - 2020-05-02 05:57 -0700
    Re: CP/M COBOL for the Apple ][ - Please Help gids.rs@sasktel.net - 2020-04-28 12:09 -0700
      Re: CP/M COBOL for the Apple ][ - Please Help gids.rs@sasktel.net - 2020-04-28 12:34 -0700
        Re: CP/M COBOL for the Apple ][ - Please Help m.omalley.au@gmail.com - 2020-05-02 05:37 -0700

#5497 — CP/M COBOL for the Apple ][ - Please Help

Tracked down CP/M COBOL, got it loaded under AppleWin, but having trouble compiling programs.

CP/M COBOL comes on 2 disk images:
* CPM_COBOL-80_A.dsk
* CPM_COBOL-80_B.dsk

Disk A: contains: linker (L80.com), Macro assembler (M80.com), cross reference map creator (CREF80.com) and includes 2 cobol source files: SQUAREO.cob and CRTest.cob.

Disk B: contains the cobol compiler (COBOL.COM) and 4 overlay (OVR) files.

This setup brings back memories of the MS-DOS tools I used to compile programs (especially Fortran and COBOL) back in the early 1980's.  Everything looks complete.

Assume I need to run COBOL.COM to compile the COB source file to generate some kind of REL file, and then L80 linker to create a COM file.  (Not sure how the Macro Assembler M80 fits into the chain yet, but it's got to be before before the linker, L80).

Nothing I have tried so far is working ...  here's some of the commands I have tried just for the COBOL.com:

A>B:COBOL A:SQUAREO.cob
?command error
COBOL-80 v4.01 3-Oct-80  Copyright 1979,80 Microsoft
*

A>B:COBOL A:SQUAREO
(same result as above)

B:
B>COBOL A:SQUAREO
(same result as above)

B>COBOL A:SQUAREO.cob
(same result as above)

I've tracked down user manual (Microsoft_COBOL-80_1978.pdf) and had a good read of the relevant parts, but the compile and link examples are for Fortran not COBOL (in a COBOL manual !!).

Can anyone shed light on what I need to do ?

TIA,

Moose
Moose's Software Valley (since July, 1996)

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#5499

On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 7:33:24 AM UTC-7, m.oma...@gmail.com wrote:
> Tracked down CP/M COBOL, got it loaded under AppleWin, but having trouble compiling programs.
> 
> CP/M COBOL comes on 2 disk images:
> * CPM_COBOL-80_A.dsk
> * CPM_COBOL-80_B.dsk
> 
> Disk A: contains: linker (L80.com), Macro assembler (M80.com), cross reference map creator (CREF80.com) and includes 2 cobol source files: SQUAREO.cob and CRTest.cob.
> 
> Disk B: contains the cobol compiler (COBOL.COM) and 4 overlay (OVR) files.
> 
> This setup brings back memories of the MS-DOS tools I used to compile programs (especially Fortran and COBOL) back in the early 1980's.  Everything looks complete.
> 
> Assume I need to run COBOL.COM to compile the COB source file to generate some kind of REL file, and then L80 linker to create a COM file.  (Not sure how the Macro Assembler M80 fits into the chain yet, but it's got to be before before the linker, L80).
> 
> Nothing I have tried so far is working ...  here's some of the commands I have tried just for the COBOL.com:
> 
> A>B:COBOL A:SQUAREO.cob
> ?command error
> COBOL-80 v4.01 3-Oct-80  Copyright 1979,80 Microsoft
> *
> 
> A>B:COBOL A:SQUAREO
> (same result as above)
> 
> B:
> B>COBOL A:SQUAREO
> (same result as above)
> 
> B>COBOL A:SQUAREO.cob
> (same result as above)
> 
> I've tracked down user manual (Microsoft_COBOL-80_1978.pdf) and had a good read of the relevant parts, but the compile and link examples are for Fortran not COBOL (in a COBOL manual !!).
> 
> Can anyone shed light on what I need to do ?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Moose
> Moose's Software Valley (since July, 1996)

Try downloading and searching the index file on Asimov at <ftp://ftp.apple.asimov.net/pub/apple_II/> for COBOL documentation.
You might find what your looking for there.

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#5500

On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 12:33:31 AM UTC-7, James Davis wrote:
> On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 7:33:24 AM UTC-7, m.oma...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Tracked down CP/M COBOL, got it loaded under AppleWin, but having trouble compiling programs.
> > 
> > CP/M COBOL comes on 2 disk images:
> > * CPM_COBOL-80_A.dsk
> > * CPM_COBOL-80_B.dsk
> > 
> > Disk A: contains: linker (L80.com), Macro assembler (M80.com), cross reference map creator (CREF80.com) and includes 2 cobol source files: SQUAREO.cob and CRTest.cob.
> > 
> > Disk B: contains the cobol compiler (COBOL.COM) and 4 overlay (OVR) files.
> > 
> > This setup brings back memories of the MS-DOS tools I used to compile programs (especially Fortran and COBOL) back in the early 1980's.  Everything looks complete.
> > 
> > Assume I need to run COBOL.COM to compile the COB source file to generate some kind of REL file, and then L80 linker to create a COM file.  (Not sure how the Macro Assembler M80 fits into the chain yet, but it's got to be before before the linker, L80).
> > 
> > Nothing I have tried so far is working ...  here's some of the commands I have tried just for the COBOL.com:
> > 
> > A>B:COBOL A:SQUAREO.cob
> > ?command error
> > COBOL-80 v4.01 3-Oct-80  Copyright 1979,80 Microsoft
> > *
> > 
> > A>B:COBOL A:SQUAREO
> > (same result as above)
> > 
> > B:
> > B>COBOL A:SQUAREO
> > (same result as above)
> > 
> > B>COBOL A:SQUAREO.cob
> > (same result as above)
> > 
> > I've tracked down user manual (Microsoft_COBOL-80_1978.pdf) and had a good read of the relevant parts, but the compile and link examples are for Fortran not COBOL (in a COBOL manual !!).
> > 
> > Can anyone shed light on what I need to do ?
> > 
> > TIA,
> > 
> > Moose
> > Moose's Software Valley (since July, 1996)
> 
> Try downloading and searching the index file on Asimov at <ftp://ftp.apple.asimov.net/pub/apple_II/> for COBOL documentation.
> You might find what your looking for there.

You have probably already read this: https://apple2history.org/history/ah17/#04

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwj_luOK-u7oAhVTKH0KHWqkCF0QFjAAegQIAhAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fapple2history.org%2Fhistory%2Fah17%2F&usg=AOvVaw2olJl6wDtUbYSXqhEDR6HQ

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#5501

On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 12:43:46 AM UTC-7, James Davis wrote:
> On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 12:33:31 AM UTC-7, James Davis wrote:
> > On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 7:33:24 AM UTC-7, m.oma...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Tracked down CP/M COBOL, got it loaded under AppleWin, but having trouble compiling programs.
> > > 
> > > CP/M COBOL comes on 2 disk images:
> > > * CPM_COBOL-80_A.dsk
> > > * CPM_COBOL-80_B.dsk
> > > 
> > > Disk A: contains: linker (L80.com), Macro assembler (M80.com), cross reference map creator (CREF80.com) and includes 2 cobol source files: SQUAREO.cob and CRTest.cob.
> > > 
> > > Disk B: contains the cobol compiler (COBOL.COM) and 4 overlay (OVR) files.
> > > 
> > > This setup brings back memories of the MS-DOS tools I used to compile programs (especially Fortran and COBOL) back in the early 1980's.  Everything looks complete.
> > > 
> > > Assume I need to run COBOL.COM to compile the COB source file to generate some kind of REL file, and then L80 linker to create a COM file.  (Not sure how the Macro Assembler M80 fits into the chain yet, but it's got to be before before the linker, L80).
> > > 
> > > Nothing I have tried so far is working ...  here's some of the commands I have tried just for the COBOL.com:
> > > 
> > > A>B:COBOL A:SQUAREO.cob
> > > ?command error
> > > COBOL-80 v4.01 3-Oct-80  Copyright 1979,80 Microsoft
> > > *
> > > 
> > > A>B:COBOL A:SQUAREO
> > > (same result as above)
> > > 
> > > B:
> > > B>COBOL A:SQUAREO
> > > (same result as above)
> > > 
> > > B>COBOL A:SQUAREO.cob
> > > (same result as above)
> > > 
> > > I've tracked down user manual (Microsoft_COBOL-80_1978.pdf) and had a good read of the relevant parts, but the compile and link examples are for Fortran not COBOL (in a COBOL manual !!).
> > > 
> > > Can anyone shed light on what I need to do ?
> > > 
> > > TIA,
> > > 
> > > Moose
> > > Moose's Software Valley (since July, 1996)
> > 
> > Try downloading and searching the index file on Asimov at <ftp://ftp.apple.asimov.net/pub/apple_II/> for COBOL documentation.
> > You might find what your looking for there.
> 
> You have probably already read this: https://apple2history.org/history/ah17/#04
> 
> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwj_luOK-u7oAhVTKH0KHWqkCF0QFjAAegQIAhAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fapple2history.org%2Fhistory%2Fah17%2F&usg=AOvVaw2olJl6wDtUbYSXqhEDR6HQ

Googled, "COBAL AND APPLE II"

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#5502

On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 5:46:16 PM UTC+10, James Davis wrote:
> Googled, "COBAL AND APPLE II"

Done that extensively, well before making this original post.
Moose

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#5503

On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 5:33:31 PM UTC+10, James Davis wrote:
> Try downloading and searching the index file on Asimov at <ftp://ftp.apple.asimov.net/pub/apple_II/> for COBOL documentation.
> You might find what your looking for there.

Thanks, already very familiar with Asimov.  And I did search Asimov and other Apple ][ sites, and searched extensively for CP/M COBOL before making my original post.

Moose

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#5504

You are probably in the same boat I was with The Forth language.  Too many incomplete systems, but after disassembling each one and coming across the source of one popular application, I am able to program a more complete Forth system that has the best traits of all the other Forths.

It was even much easier to port some words written for a Forth system written for another platform.

Until recently I didn’t think any applications were written with Forth.  A complete working application and its source helped me out a lot.

You may have to do the same and find a complete working application in Cobol to see how they managed the discrepancy

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#5505

gids.rs@sasktel.net writes:

> You are probably in the same boat I was with The Forth language.  Too
> many incomplete systems, but after disassembling each one and coming
> across the source of one popular application, I am able to program a
> more complete Forth system that has the best traits of all the other
> Forths.
>
> It was even much easier to port some words written for a Forth system
> written for another platform.
>
> Until recently I didn’t think any applications were written with
> Forth.  A complete working application and its source helped me out a
> lot.
>
> You may have to do the same and find a complete working application in
> Cobol to see how they managed the discrepancy

For what it's worth, the game Amnesia (by electronic arts) was written
in Forth.  The game's english parser is really just a forth vocabulary.


--
Jerry    awanderin at gmail dot com

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#5506

For what it is Forth (ahem), a couple of games (eg. Spider Raid at http://www.hackzapple.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1321) and eduware (eg. Broderbund) were written in Forth,

av

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#5510

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 4:28:16 AM UTC+10, gid...@sasktel.net wrote:
> You may have to do the same and find a complete working application in Cobol to see how they managed the discrepancy

Will keep searching and trying stuff out.  Am also checking out CP/M COBOL for other systems to see if I can get any more clues ...

Will report back here and upload my notes and files to Asimov if I can get things to work.

Moose

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#5512

On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 9:33:24 AM UTC-5, m.oma...@gmail.com wrote:
> Tracked down CP/M COBOL, got it loaded under AppleWin, but having trouble compiling programs.
> 
> CP/M COBOL comes on 2 disk images:
> * CPM_COBOL-80_A.dsk
> * CPM_COBOL-80_B.dsk
> 
> Disk A: contains: linker (L80.com), Macro assembler (M80.com), cross reference map creator (CREF80.com) and includes 2 cobol source files: SQUAREO.cob and CRTest.cob.
> 
> Disk B: contains the cobol compiler (COBOL.COM) and 4 overlay (OVR) files.
> 
> This setup brings back memories of the MS-DOS tools I used to compile programs (especially Fortran and COBOL) back in the early 1980's.  Everything looks complete.
> 
> Assume I need to run COBOL.COM to compile the COB source file to generate some kind of REL file, and then L80 linker to create a COM file.  (Not sure how the Macro Assembler M80 fits into the chain yet, but it's got to be before before the linker, L80).
> 
> Nothing I have tried so far is working ...  here's some of the commands I have tried just for the COBOL.com:
> 
> A>B:COBOL A:SQUAREO.cob
> ?command error
> COBOL-80 v4.01 3-Oct-80  Copyright 1979,80 Microsoft
> *
> 
> A>B:COBOL A:SQUAREO
> (same result as above)
> 
> B:
> B>COBOL A:SQUAREO
> (same result as above)
> 
> B>COBOL A:SQUAREO.cob
> (same result as above)
> 
> I've tracked down user manual (Microsoft_COBOL-80_1978.pdf) and had a good read of the relevant parts, but the compile and link examples are for Fortran not COBOL (in a COBOL manual !!).
> 
> Can anyone shed light on what I need to do ?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Moose
> Moose's Software Valley (since July, 1996)

Try this to compile SQUAREO.COB,place a listing in SQUAREO.PRN and place object code in SQUAREO.REL

A>B:COBOL A:SQUAREO,A:SQUAREO=A:SQUAREO

Next, use L80 and switches to save SQUAREO.COM to disk and exit

A>L80 SQUAREO/N,SQUAREO/E

Execute program by typing

A>SQUAREO

I hope this helps!

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#5513

On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 6:16:23 PM UTC-5, djay wrote:
> On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 9:33:24 AM UTC-5, m.oma...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Tracked down CP/M COBOL, got it loaded under AppleWin, but having trouble compiling programs.
> > 
> > CP/M COBOL comes on 2 disk images:
> > * CPM_COBOL-80_A.dsk
> > * CPM_COBOL-80_B.dsk
> > 
> > Disk A: contains: linker (L80.com), Macro assembler (M80.com), cross reference map creator (CREF80.com) and includes 2 cobol source files: SQUAREO.cob and CRTest.cob.
> > 
> > Disk B: contains the cobol compiler (COBOL.COM) and 4 overlay (OVR) files.
> > 
> > This setup brings back memories of the MS-DOS tools I used to compile programs (especially Fortran and COBOL) back in the early 1980's.  Everything looks complete.
> > 
> > Assume I need to run COBOL.COM to compile the COB source file to generate some kind of REL file, and then L80 linker to create a COM file.  (Not sure how the Macro Assembler M80 fits into the chain yet, but it's got to be before before the linker, L80).
> > 
> > Nothing I have tried so far is working ...  here's some of the commands I have tried just for the COBOL.com:
> > 
> > A>B:COBOL A:SQUAREO.cob
> > ?command error
> > COBOL-80 v4.01 3-Oct-80  Copyright 1979,80 Microsoft
> > *
> > 
> > A>B:COBOL A:SQUAREO
> > (same result as above)
> > 
> > B:
> > B>COBOL A:SQUAREO
> > (same result as above)
> > 
> > B>COBOL A:SQUAREO.cob
> > (same result as above)
> > 
> > I've tracked down user manual (Microsoft_COBOL-80_1978.pdf) and had a good read of the relevant parts, but the compile and link examples are for Fortran not COBOL (in a COBOL manual !!).
> > 
> > Can anyone shed light on what I need to do ?
> > 
> > TIA,
> > 
> > Moose
> > Moose's Software Valley (since July, 1996)
> 
Typo correction

Try this to compile SQUAREO.COB,place a listing in SQUAREO.PRN and place object code in SQUAREO.REL

B>:COBOL A:SQUAREO,A:SQUAREO=A:SQUAREO

Next, use L80 and switches to save SQUAREO.COM to disk and exit

A>L80 SQUAREO/N,SQUAREO/E

Execute program by typing

A>SQUAREO

I hope this helps! 

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#5525

On Tuesday, April 28, 2020 at 9:49:09 AM UTC+10, djay wrote:
> I hope this helps!

Thank you DJay - will give this a go.

Moose

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#5514

On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 8:33:24 AM UTC-6, m.oma...@gmail.com wrote:
> Tracked down CP/M COBOL, got it loaded under AppleWin, but having trouble compiling programs.
> 
> CP/M COBOL comes on 2 disk images:
> * CPM_COBOL-80_A.dsk
> * CPM_COBOL-80_B.dsk
> 
> Disk A: contains: linker (L80.com), Macro assembler (M80.com), cross reference map creator (CREF80.com) and includes 2 cobol source files: SQUAREO.cob and CRTest.cob.
> 
> Disk B: contains the cobol compiler (COBOL.COM) and 4 overlay (OVR) files.
> 
> This setup brings back memories of the MS-DOS tools I used to compile programs (especially Fortran and COBOL) back in the early 1980's.  Everything looks complete.
> 
> Assume I need to run COBOL.COM to compile the COB source file to generate some kind of REL file, and then L80 linker to create a COM file.  (Not sure how the Macro Assembler M80 fits into the chain yet, but it's got to be before before the linker, L80).
> 
> Nothing I have tried so far is working ...  here's some of the commands I have tried just for the COBOL.com:
> 
> A>B:COBOL A:SQUAREO.cob
> ?command error
> COBOL-80 v4.01 3-Oct-80  Copyright 1979,80 Microsoft
> *
> 
> A>B:COBOL A:SQUAREO
> (same result as above)
> 
> B:
> B>COBOL A:SQUAREO
> (same result as above)
> 
> B>COBOL A:SQUAREO.cob
> (same result as above)
> 
> I've tracked down user manual (Microsoft_COBOL-80_1978.pdf) and had a good read of the relevant parts, but the compile and link examples are for Fortran not COBOL (in a COBOL manual !!).
> 
> Can anyone shed light on what I need to do ?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Moose
> Moose's Software Valley (since July, 1996)



Looks like someone just uploaded COBOL on facebook to their dropbox.  It is the same version # 4.68 as the ones you have but:

1) the file sizes are different (larger)
2) there are 4 disks
3) a scanned COBOL users guide is included
4) seems to be more complete than the 2 disk

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#5515

On Tuesday, April 28, 2020 at 1:09:37 PM UTC-6, gid...@sasktel.net wrote:
> On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 8:33:24 AM UTC-6, m.oma...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Tracked down CP/M COBOL, got it loaded under AppleWin, but having trouble compiling programs.
> > 
> > CP/M COBOL comes on 2 disk images:
> > * CPM_COBOL-80_A.dsk
> > * CPM_COBOL-80_B.dsk
> > 
> > Disk A: contains: linker (L80.com), Macro assembler (M80.com), cross reference map creator (CREF80.com) and includes 2 cobol source files: SQUAREO.cob and CRTest.cob.
> > 
> > Disk B: contains the cobol compiler (COBOL.COM) and 4 overlay (OVR) files.
> > 
> > This setup brings back memories of the MS-DOS tools I used to compile programs (especially Fortran and COBOL) back in the early 1980's.  Everything looks complete.
> > 
> > Assume I need to run COBOL.COM to compile the COB source file to generate some kind of REL file, and then L80 linker to create a COM file.  (Not sure how the Macro Assembler M80 fits into the chain yet, but it's got to be before before the linker, L80).
> > 
> > Nothing I have tried so far is working ...  here's some of the commands I have tried just for the COBOL.com:
> > 
> > A>B:COBOL A:SQUAREO.cob
> > ?command error
> > COBOL-80 v4.01 3-Oct-80  Copyright 1979,80 Microsoft
> > *
> > 
> > A>B:COBOL A:SQUAREO
> > (same result as above)
> > 
> > B:
> > B>COBOL A:SQUAREO
> > (same result as above)
> > 
> > B>COBOL A:SQUAREO.cob
> > (same result as above)
> > 
> > I've tracked down user manual (Microsoft_COBOL-80_1978.pdf) and had a good read of the relevant parts, but the compile and link examples are for Fortran not COBOL (in a COBOL manual !!).
> > 
> > Can anyone shed light on what I need to do ?
> > 
> > TIA,
> > 
> > Moose
> > Moose's Software Valley (since July, 1996)
> 
> 
> 
> Looks like someone just uploaded COBOL on facebook to their dropbox.  It is the same version # 4.68 as the ones you have but:
> 
> 1) the file sizes are different (larger)
> 2) there are 4 disks
> 3) a scanned COBOL users guide is included
> 4) seems to be more complete than the 2 disk

Here is his drop box if you are not on facebook

https://www.dropbox.com/s/k004y6ezr5z44hg/Microsoft%20COBOL%20V4_68%20para%20Apple%20II.rar?dl=0&fbclid=IwAR2Beii6pU15IpVPchZ2542tGSV3eGosQBsRxws7aiQlN6B0G-PNYrqIFuM

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#5524

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 5:34:10 AM UTC+10, gid...@sasktel.net wrote:
> Here is his drop box if you are not on facebook
> 
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/k004y6ezr5z44hg/Microsoft%20COBOL%20V4_68%20para%20Apple%20II.rar?dl=0&fbclid=IwAR2Beii6pU15IpVPchZ2542tGSV3eGosQBsRxws7aiQlN6B0G-PNYrqIFuM

Ahhh, thank you.  Will check this out and ensure this is on Asimov.

Moose
Moose's Software Valley

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