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TCP/IP stacks for the Apple II: A survey of what's been done so far.

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  TCP/IP stacks for the Apple II: A survey of what's been done so far. D Finnigan <dog_cow@macgui.com> - 2015-06-05 20:37 +0000
    Re: TCP/IP stacks for the Apple II: A survey of what's been done so far. Andrew C <signups@posteo.org> - 2015-06-06 08:52 +0800
    Re: TCP/IP stacks for the Apple II: A survey of what's been done so far. ol.sc@web.de (Oliver Schmidt) - 2015-06-07 12:20 +0000
      Re: TCP/IP stacks for the Apple II: A survey of what's been done so far. D Finnigan <dog_cow@macgui.com> - 2015-06-08 19:51 +0000
    Re: TCP/IP stacks for the Apple II: A survey of what's been done so far. D Finnigan <dog_cow@macgui.com> - 2015-06-08 18:59 +0000
    Re: TCP/IP stacks for the Apple II: A survey of what's been done so far. ozkfest@gmail.com - 2015-07-03 07:45 -0700
      Re: TCP/IP stacks for the Apple II: A survey of what's been done so far. D Finnigan <dog_cow@macgui.com> - 2015-07-05 18:43 +0000
        Re: TCP/IP stacks for the Apple II: A survey of what's been done so far. D Finnigan <dog_cow@macgui.com> - 2015-07-09 23:39 +0000

#1687 — TCP/IP stacks for the Apple II: A survey of what's been done so far.

Like multitasking environments, TCP/IP stacks are one of those timeless and
mythical pursuits that spawn an awful lot of talking and dreaming and
planning. The thing is possible on the Apple II, but is it entirely
practical? The question is irrelevant; it's the challenge of building it
that matters.

This article is an attempt to list all known TCP/IP implementations, and the
features thereof, that are compatible with any model of Apple II. This list
is in rough order of when each implementation was first begun. It took me
about 3 hours to compile this information; please let me know of any factual
errors or important omissions. Thanks.

Click here to read the full thing:
http://macgui.com/kb/article/764

-- 
]DF$
The Marina IP stack for Apple II--
http://marina.a2hq.com/

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#1688

On 6/06/2015 4:37 am, D Finnigan wrote:
> Like multitasking environments, TCP/IP stacks are one of those timeless and
> mythical pursuits that spawn an awful lot of talking and dreaming and
> planning. The thing is possible on the Apple II, but is it entirely
> practical? The question is irrelevant; it's the challenge of building it
> that matters.
> 
> This article is an attempt to list all known TCP/IP implementations, and the
> features thereof, that are compatible with any model of Apple II. This list
> is in rough order of when each implementation was first begun. It took me
> about 3 hours to compile this information; please let me know of any factual
> errors or important omissions. Thanks.
> 
> Click here to read the full thing:
> http://macgui.com/kb/article/764
> 

Thanks David, great article.

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#1689

Hi,

>This article is an attempt to list all known TCP/IP implementations, and the
>features thereof, that are compatible with any model of Apple II.

Nice :-)

>please let me know of any factual
>errors or important omissions. Thanks.

- "Further releases of Marinetti added additional link layer drivers
for PPP, MacIP, and the Uthernet card. Domain name resolution was
added, and many bugs were fixed."

I'd suggest to omit Uthernet here as it sort of gives the impression
that Uthernet support was coming soon - even before LANceGS support.

- "IP gained IPv6 support in 2008, making it the only TCP/IP stack for
Apple II to support the next-generation internetworking protocol."

Although there's no conceptual issue nobody has ever tried to build
IPv6 with cc65 - not even talking about squeezing it into the A2 RAM
together with a substantial application.

- Contiki "Available applications:"

There's additionally a Telnet server.

- "ip65"

From all I know it's 'IP65', not 'ip65'.

- "http://ip65.sf.net/"

I presume that you tried the URLs in your article. That one redirects
to 'http://oliverschmidt.github.io/ip65/' so why not use that one?
Jonno handed maintainance of IP65 to me in end of 2013 so my GitHub
page is the "official" homepage of IP65.

- General remarks

It might be interesting to note that Contiki 1.x was an integrated
desktop environment that loaded applications dynamically while Contiki
2.x focuses on individual standalone applications. See
http://hitmen.c02.at/html/tools_contiki.html for Contiki 1.x
background info.

It might be interesting to note that since summer 2014 IP65 uses the
actual Contiki link layers:
https://github.com/oliverschmidt/ip65/commit/4c0ae26c

Regards,
Oliver

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#1691

Oliver Schmidt wrote:
> 
> Regards,
> Oliver

Thank you for reviewing the article. I will have it updated with your
changes as soon as I can.

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#1690

D Finnigan wrote:
> It took me
> about 3 hours to compile this information; please let me know of any
> factual
> errors or important omissions. Thanks.
> 
> Click here to read the full thing:
> http://macgui.com/kb/article/764
>

Updated with new information, corrected some mistakes.

Also, the BSD sockets API for Marina is super-close to being finished. Take
a look at my blog to see what's new and coming soon.

-- 
]DF$
The Marina IP stack for Apple II--
http://marina.a2hq.com/

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#1763

On Saturday, June 6, 2015 at 6:38:39 AM UTC+10, D Finnigan wrote:
> Please let me know of any factual errors or important omissions. Thanks.

:The latest version is 3.0b3, released on July 26, 2006.

The latest version available from the Marinetti homepage is 3.0b3, released on July 26, 2006. Later versions of various components have been made available to interested parties for testing purposes - usually after they have reported a bug and a fix has been applied. The Sweet16 Starter Kit available from Ewen Wannop's page includes version 3.0b7 of the TCPIP Init.

:Protocols:
<Add> DNR

:Programming interfaces:
:- Apple IIgs Toolbox IPC interface <Change to> - Apple IIgs Toolbox interface
<Insert> Macros for using the Toolbox interface are available for the following assemblers:
<Remove>: - assembly language
<Reorder>: - Merlin
<Reorder>: - Orca/M
<Insert> Language interface files for using the Toolbox interface are available for the following compilers:
<Reorder>: - Complete Pascal
<Reorder>: - GSoft BASIC
<add> - MPW IIgs Pascal <nb not in CVS at this time>
<Reorder>: - Orca/C
<Reorder>: - Orca/Pascal

:Link Layers:
:- PPPX <Change to> Scripted PPP
<Add> - Sweet16
<Add> - Emulator (e.g. GSPort)

:Other features:
<Add> - IPC interface to allow monitoring the status of the network

Regards,
Andrew

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#1768

ozkfest wrote:
> On Saturday, June 6, 2015 at 6:38:39 AM UTC+10, D Finnigan wrote:
>> Please let me know of any factual errors or important omissions. Thanks.
> 
> :The latest version is 3.0b3, released on July 26, 2006.
> 
>
> Regards,
> Andrew

Thanks, I will update the article as soon as I can.

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#1772

D Finnigan wrote:
> ozkfest wrote:
>> On Saturday, June 6, 2015 at 6:38:39 AM UTC+10, D Finnigan wrote:
>>> Please let me know of any factual errors or important omissions. Thanks.
>> 
>> :The latest version is 3.0b3, released on July 26, 2006.
>> 
>>
>> Regards,
>> Andrew
> 
> Thanks, I will update the article as soon as I can.
>

...And it's updated! Thanks again for taking the time to review it.

-- 
]DF$
The Marina IP stack for Apple II--
http://marina.a2hq.com/

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