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  Junk Bill Chatfield <billchatfield1@gmail.com> - 2023-12-02 06:57 -0800
    Re: Junk fadden <fadden@fadden.com> - 2023-12-02 08:21 -0800
      Re: Junk Bill Chatfield <bill_chatfield@yahoo.com> - 2023-12-12 09:58 -0500
        Re: Junk Bill Chatfield <bill_chatfield@yahoo.com> - 2023-12-12 10:02 -0500
        Re: Junk (sites used) TRS-90 <matthewmpower@gmail.com> - 2023-12-13 00:36 +0000
          Re: Junk (sites used) Bill Chatfield <bill_chatfield@yahoo.com> - 2023-12-13 00:01 -0500
    Re: Junk Hugh Hood <hughhood@earthlink.net> - 2023-12-02 13:47 -0600
      Re: Junk jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2023-12-03 18:58 +0000
        Re: Junk kelvin@pro-kegs.uucp (Kelvin Sherlock) - 2023-12-04 01:55 -0500
        Re: Junk TRS-90 <matthewmpower@gmail.com> - 2023-12-04 02:41 +0000
    Re: Junk TRS-90 <matthewmpower@gmail.com> - 2023-12-03 03:55 +0000
      Re: Junk Bill Chatfield <billchatfield1@gmail.com> - 2023-12-03 09:09 -0800
        Re: Junk TRS-90 <matthewmpower@gmail.com> - 2023-12-04 02:07 +0000
          Re: Junk Speccie <someone@somewhere.com> - 2023-12-04 08:34 +0000
            Re: Junk Bill Chatfield <billchatfield1@gmail.com> - 2023-12-04 06:32 -0800
              Re: Junk Bill Chatfield <billchatfield1@gmail.com> - 2023-12-04 06:42 -0800
              Re: Junk Oliver Schmidt <ol.sc@web.de> - 2023-12-04 23:13 +0000
                Re: Junk TRS-90 <matthewmpower@gmail.com> - 2023-12-05 01:49 +0000
                  Re: Junk Bill Chatfield <billchatfield1@gmail.com> - 2023-12-05 08:31 -0800
              Re: Junk Speccie <someone@somewhere.com> - 2023-12-05 08:12 +0000
                Re: Junk Bill Chatfield <billchatfield1@gmail.com> - 2023-12-05 08:37 -0800
                  Re: Junk Jerry Penner <jerry+a2@jpen.ca> - 2023-12-05 15:38 -0700
                    Re: Junk Bill Chatfield <billchatfield1@gmail.com> - 2023-12-07 19:23 -0800
              Re: Junk Alex Lee <alelee@mac.com> - 2023-12-06 13:15 +1100
    Re: Junk I am Rob <gids.rs@sasktel.net> - 2023-12-04 19:08 -0800
      Re: Junk Speccie <someone@somewhere.com> - 2023-12-05 08:17 +0000
        Re: Junk Bill Chatfield <bill_chatfield@yahoo.com> - 2023-12-08 00:19 -0500
          Re: Junk D Finnigan <dog_cow@macgui.com> - 2023-12-10 22:59 +0000
            Re: Junk I am Rob <gids.rs@sasktel.net> - 2023-12-10 16:27 -0800
            Re: Junk Bill Chatfield <bill_chatfield@yahoo.com> - 2023-12-10 19:43 -0500
      Re: Junk fadden <fadden@fadden.com> - 2023-12-05 07:34 -0800

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#6140 — Junk

There's a lot of spam being sent to this group now. It is unfortunate because this has been the best place for these discussions. Are people going anywhere else? I'm trying to report the spam.

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#6141

On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 6:57:14 AM UTC-8, Bill Chatfield wrote:
> There's a lot of spam being sent to this group now. It is unfortunate because this has been the best place for these discussions. Are people going anywhere else? I'm trying to report the spam.

This happens periodically.  The current bunch seems worse than usual.

https://www.reddit.com/r/apple2/ is one possibility, though it's more of a topic + response format than a threaded-discussion format.  There are facebook groups with large followings, which is useful for announcements, but the order is semi-random and half the posts are "sponsored", so it's not great for anything you might want to come back and look at later.

I'm getting hit with an "I'm not a robot" button every time I post anything, so it feels like the spam protection got turned up a notch, but isn't very effective.

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#6273

On Sat, 2 Dec 2023 08:21:26 -0800 (PST)
fadden <fadden@fadden.com> wrote:

> https://www.reddit.com/r/apple2/ is one possibility, though it's more

I don't like reddit that much either. I don't understand why it is so
popular.

Which facebook groups are you guys on? I'm on these:

Apple II Software Enthusiasts
8-Bit Programming & Engineering
BASIC Programming Language
Apple II - GameZone!
Apple II Enthusiasts
Apple IIe Enthusiasts

I don't think any of these are as good as this Usenet group. You guys
are the best! :-)

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#6274

On Tue, 12 Dec 2023 09:58:37 -0500
Bill Chatfield <bill_chatfield@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Which facebook groups are you guys on? I'm on these:

I also highly recommend the Facebook group "Redheads". Haha :-) :-) :-)

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#6276 — Re: Junk (sites used)

"Bill Chatfield" wrote:

> Which facebook groups are you guys on? I'm on these:
> 
> Apple II Software Enthusiasts
> 8-Bit Programming & Engineering
> BASIC Programming Language
> Apple II - GameZone!
> Apple II Enthusiasts
> Apple IIe Enthusiasts

I'm aware of a couple of those, and I've seen some good stuff on them. But it seems like information of Facebook isn't really searchable. My Apple II goto are CSA2 and CSA2PROGRAMMER. For one, I can read and post from my IIgs, which I really enjoy, and two, Google Groups (despite its spam) is searchable. I can later (on a modern PC) search these groups for previous entries like "How to move the @ sign?" and get back into it, sometimes years later.  I also enjoy the Apple II telnet sites. Captains Quarters is great. A few years ago I used to really get into A80SAPPLEIIBBS but unfortunately that site disappeared. It was a great site. It's always interesting to see someone from the CSA2 groups on the telnet sites. I guess my big kick comes from connecting with an Apple II, asking a question about the software I'm using, and having the author of that software reply, which I can then read on my Apple II!

So, usenet and telnet sites for me.  Social media just doesn't tick the right boxes.

Just my views, thanks for reading,

Matt 

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#6278 — Re: Junk (sites used)

On Wed, 13 Dec 2023 00:36:18 GMT
TRS-90 <matthewmpower@gmail.com> wrote:

> which I can then read on my Apple II!

Very cool!
 
> So, usenet and telnet sites for me.  Social media just doesn't tick
> the right boxes.

I'm thinking the same. It's kind of hard to actually get to the
important information on facebook because you have to keep clicking on
"show more comments" or whatever that link is. That is if you can even
find the story you're looking for.
 
> Just my views, thanks for reading,

Thanks for sharing.

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#6142

Bill,

I agree. This is the best place for these discussions.

Andy mentioned a few of the alternate places, but they certainly have 
their negatives for our type of technical topics.

What amazes me is that many of those who frequent the 'other' places 
seem completely unaware of the Apple II specific newsgroups. Or, maybe 
they are aware and just don't care for the likes of guys like me. ;-)

I'm hopeful (without cause?) that these spammers will go away like that 
last batch of spammers who were hitting us in the Italian language.

It's hard to believe that any of those spammers deliver results for 
whomever 'hires' them.




Hugh Hood

On 12/2/2023 8:57 AM, Bill Chatfield wrote:
> There's a lot of spam being sent to this group now. It is unfortunate
> because this has been the best place for these discussions. Are
> people going anywhere else? I'm trying to report the spam.

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#6166

In article <sRydncLcIs5QFPb4nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
hughhood@earthlink.net (Hugh Hood) wrote:

> What amazes me is that many of those who frequent the 'other' 
> places seem completely unaware of the Apple II specific newsgroups. 
> Or, maybe they are aware and just don't care for the likes of guys 
> like me. ;-)

The idea of stuff that isn't done in a web browser confuses many people
these days. 

> I'm hopeful (without cause?) that these spammers will go away like 
> that last batch of spammers who were hitting us in the Italian 
> language.
> 
> It's hard to believe that any of those spammers deliver results for 
> whomever 'hires' them.

I think it's an attempt to game Google's search engine by putting lots of
stuff into Google Groups. I haven't seen any of it in here (via Eternal
September) but there's loads in other groups I read via ES. 

John 

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#6169

There's some recent discussion in the eternal-september.support newsgroup
and it looks like they run spamassassin on all messages from google (and
one other server).

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#6170

> I think it's an attempt to game Google's search engine by putting lots
> of stuff into Google Groups.
> 
> John 

I agree there's some kind of difference between client access and browser access. I do not, however, have the CS backgound to understand that difference. Maybe someone with more knowledge could help with understanding? 

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#6150

> There's a lot of spam being sent to this group now. It is unfortunate
> because this has been the best place for these discussions. Are people
> going anywhere else? I'm trying to report the spam.

When I use Google Groups, I receive tons of spam in both comp.sys.apple2 groups. I started using EternalSeptember and I don't see a single one. I guess EternalSeptember pulls out the spam? AstraWeb is good too, but ES is free. I personally pay ES a couple of times year (small donation) because they provide such a great service. I remember the italian-language spam that was mentioned, and reported those to Google Groups like a zillion times. All it seemingly accomplished was leaving huge gaps in the inbox. I'm now using SNAP on an AppleIIgs and couldn't be happier with it!

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#6165

On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 10:55:26 PM UTC-5, TRS-90 wrote:
> When I use Google Groups, I receive tons of spam in both comp.sys.apple2 groups. I started using EternalSeptember and I don't see a single one. I guess EternalSeptember pulls out the spam? AstraWeb is good too, but ES is free. I personally pay ES a couple of times year (small donation) because they provide such a great service. I remember the italian-language spam that was mentioned, and reported those to Google Groups like a zillion times. All it seemingly accomplished was leaving huge gaps in the inbox. I'm now using SNAP on an AppleIIgs and couldn't be happier with it!
What is SNAP?

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#6168

"Bill Chatfield" wrote:
What is SNAP?

SNAP is a Usenet client written by Speccie (available for free on his website) that works on an Internet-enabled Apple IIgs system.

I'm using it to post this message from a IIgs. No modern PC required. 

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#6171

> "Bill Chatfield" wrote:
> What is SNAP?
>
> SNAP is a Usenet client written by Speccie (available for free on his website) that works on an Internet-enabled Apple IIgs system.

Here you are, and check out all my other goodies while you are there:

https://speccie.uk/software/snap/

By the way, many people seem to think Usenet and this group has something to do with Google. That is not the case. Usenet is the grown up version of the BBS systems that started over 40 years ago now. If you post a message to one Usenet news server, it is migrated automatically to all the other news servers on the net. Google is just one method of accessing these messages. Many of us will use news clients on a computer of their choice. On the IIgs, SNAP does that, and on the Mac, I used to use Thoth, but am now using Hogwasher.

If you do not use Google to access Usenet, then you will need to either use a free news server, or one that you are subscribed to. Currently I am using Astraweb, as of the paid for servers, they are about the cheapest one out there at the moment, have good speeds, and have been reliable for me over the years.

Cheers - Speccie

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#6185

On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 3:34:26 AM UTC-5, Speccie wrote:
> > "Bill Chatfield" wrote: 
> > What is SNAP? 
> > 
> > SNAP is a Usenet client written by Speccie (available for free on his website) that works on an Internet-enabled Apple IIgs system.
> Here you are, and check out all my other goodies while you are there: 
> 
> https://speccie.uk/software/snap/ 
> 
> By the way, many people seem to think Usenet and this group has something to do with Google. That is not the case. Usenet is the grown up version of the BBS systems that started over 40 years ago now. If you post a message to one Usenet news server, it is migrated automatically to all the other news servers on the net. Google is just one method of accessing these messages. Many of us will use news clients on a computer of their choice. On the IIgs, SNAP does that, and on the Mac, I used to use Thoth, but am now using Hogwasher. 
> 
> If you do not use Google to access Usenet, then you will need to either use a free news server, or one that you are subscribed to. Currently I am using Astraweb, as of the paid for servers, they are about the cheapest one out there at the moment, have good speeds, and have been reliable for me over the years. 
> 
> Cheers - Speccie
Thank you so much for the info. I understand what Usenet is. I was reading it in 1992. But for the longest time I have not been able to find a Usenet server other than just using Google Groups. They have all disappeared. My Apple IIgs is in a box in the basement. I have my Apple IIe setup, but I had to move it because my house guests' cats were using it to jump up on top of my china cabinet. I don't have room to set everything up. As soon as they leave, maybe I can get the IIgs out. I'll have to buy the Uthernet card for it. I have it already for the Apple IIe, but they use different firmware. I haven't used it though. Maybe it will be more useful on the IIgs.

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#6186

On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 9:32:57 AM UTC-5, Bill Chatfield wrote:
> On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 3:34:26 AM UTC-5, Speccie wrote: 
> > > "Bill Chatfield" wrote: 
> > > What is SNAP? 
> > > 
> > > SNAP is a Usenet client written by Speccie (available for free on his website) that works on an Internet-enabled Apple IIgs system. 
> > Here you are, and check out all my other goodies while you are there: 
> > 
> > https://speccie.uk/software/snap/ 
> > 
> > By the way, many people seem to think Usenet and this group has something to do with Google. That is not the case. Usenet is the grown up version of the BBS systems that started over 40 years ago now. If you post a message to one Usenet news server, it is migrated automatically to all the other news servers on the net. Google is just one method of accessing these messages. Many of us will use news clients on a computer of their choice. On the IIgs, SNAP does that, and on the Mac, I used to use Thoth, but am now using Hogwasher. 
> > 
> > If you do not use Google to access Usenet, then you will need to either use a free news server, or one that you are subscribed to. Currently I am using Astraweb, as of the paid for servers, they are about the cheapest one out there at the moment, have good speeds, and have been reliable for me over the years. 
> > 
> > Cheers - Speccie
> Thank you so much for the info. I understand what Usenet is. I was reading it in 1992. But for the longest time I have not been able to find a Usenet server other than just using Google Groups. They have all disappeared. My Apple IIgs is in a box in the basement. I have my Apple IIe setup, but I had to move it because my house guests' cats were using it to jump up on top of my china cabinet. I don't have room to set everything up. As soon as they leave, maybe I can get the IIgs out. I'll have to buy the Uthernet card for it. I have it already for the Apple IIe, but they use different firmware. I haven't used it though. Maybe it will be more useful on the IIgs.
I guess what I was thinking is that ISPs use to provide Usenet servers, but they don't anymore. I haven't had a reason to go to Usenet until my interest was again sparked for the old Apple IIs, which my wife insisted I get rid of 20 years ago and I had to buy new ones again when I decided I didn't care what she thought anymore. She's my ex now.

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#6187

Hi Bill,

> I'll have to buy the Uthernet card for it. I have it already for the
> Apple IIe, but they use different firmware. I haven't used it though.
> Maybe it will be more useful on the IIgs.

Neither the Uthernet nor the Uthernet II have any firmware at all. Both
work equally well in both a //e and a IIgs. So if you don't use your
Uthernet (II) in your //e, you can simply put it in your IIgs.

Regards,
Oliver

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#6188

> Neither the Uthernet nor the Uthernet II have any firmware at all. Both
> work equally well in both a //e and a IIgs. So if you don't use your
> Uthernet (II) in your //e, you can simply put it in your IIgs.

Yes. I have swapped Uthernet II between //e and IIgs many times before just getting another one so both are enabled. It's a very good product. I do recommend, though, if you decide to retrieve the IIgs from the basement, get yourself an accelerator if you want to go online with it. I use an AppleSqueezer, and that too is a very good product that is always being updated for better performance. Regarding being told to get rid of old stuff by a certain person and then having to re-purchase the same later on, I hear you man. I really do. 

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#6204

On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 8:49:01 PM UTC-5, TRS-90 wrote:
> > Neither the Uthernet nor the Uthernet II have any firmware at all. Both 
> > work equally well in both a //e and a IIgs. So if you don't use your 
> > Uthernet (II) in your //e, you can simply put it in your IIgs.
> Yes. I have swapped Uthernet II between //e and IIgs many times before just getting another one so both are enabled. It's a very good product. I do recommend, though, if you decide to retrieve the IIgs from the basement, get yourself an accelerator if you want to go online with it. I use an AppleSqueezer, and that too is a very good product that is always being updated for better performance. Regarding being told to get rid of old stuff by a certain person and then having to re-purchase the same later on, I hear you man. I really do.
I must have been thinking of my SD hard disk emulator about the firmware. That is good to know. I have the slots in the //e maxed out anyway. I'll look into the AppleSqueezer. Yes, I had my original //e from childhood and another one which was enhanced when I got rid of both of them. I donated them to Goodwill around 1998. I'm sure they didn't know what to do with them. Thanks for the empathy.

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#6191

Bill,

> But for the longest time I have not been able to find a Usenet server other than just using Google Groups. They have all disappeared.

There are still loads of servers out there, from the free ones that don’t do the binary groups, and the paid for ones that have all 111,000 groups. Type “news servers” into Google, and you will be flooded with results.

Of the paid for servers, the expensive but excellent Giganews is still there:

https://giganews.com

I use the cheaper Astraweb, which does not have all the frills of Giganews, but does have all the groups:

https://www.astraweb.com
Cheers - Ewen

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