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  Modifying a file cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2011-06-19 13:52 +0100
    Re: Modifying a file Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2011-06-19 16:12 +0200
      Re: Modifying a file Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-06-19 18:11 +0200
        Re: Modifying a file Alan Wrigley <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> - 2011-06-19 17:57 +0100
        Re: Modifying a file Matthew Phillips <spam2011m@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-06-19 18:53 +0100
          Re: Modifying a file Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-06-19 23:08 +0200
          Re: Modifying a file "Ste (news)" <steve@revi11.plus.com> - 2011-06-26 21:01 +0100
        Re: Modifying a file Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2011-06-20 00:04 +0100
      Re: Modifying a file cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2011-06-20 10:54 +0100
        Re: Modifying a file Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2011-06-20 23:01 +0200
    Re: Modifying a file Nick Roberts <tigger@orpheusinternet.co.uk> - 2011-06-19 16:39 +0100
      Re: Modifying a file cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2011-06-20 11:28 +0100
        Re: Modifying a file Nick Roberts <tigger@orpheusinternet.co.uk> - 2011-06-20 20:40 +0100
          Re: Modifying a file Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-06-21 07:05 +0200
            Re: Modifying a file cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2011-06-21 10:53 +0100
              Re: Modifying a file Nick Roberts <tigger@orpheusinternet.co.uk> - 2011-06-21 20:03 +0100
                Re: Modifying a file Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-06-22 19:27 +0200
                  Re: Modifying a file Alan Adams <alan@adamshome.org.uk> - 2011-06-22 22:33 +0100
                    Re: Modifying a file Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-06-23 17:50 +0200
                      Re: Modifying a file jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2011-07-04 13:00 -0700
    Re: Modifying a file JussiJ <jussij@zeusedit.com> - 2011-06-20 18:55 -0700

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#452 — Modifying a file

Hi
Am trying out the assembler '!ASM' is there a way of Globally changing
the beginning of a line ie add a colon to the end of the label?
*******
label

to

label:
*******

with !Zap or another program.

Thanks
-- 
Colin Ferris Cornwall UK

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#453

In message <4390cbe551.cferris@cferris.freeuk.com>
          cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid wrote:

> Hi
> Am trying out the assembler '!ASM' is there a way of Globally changing
> the beginning of a line ie add a colon to the end of the label?
> *******
> label

> to

> label:
> *******

> with !Zap or another program.

There are loads of ways of doing this, e.g., via the command line 
using perl or awk. In the desktop just use the regular expression 
syntax in your preferred editor.

In Zap, for instance, you can add a colon to every word (consisting of 
letters, numbers, underscore and bar characters) on its own at the 
start of a line with nothing else on that line using the following:

Search:\<\{\[a-zA-Z0-9_|]\[a-zA-Z0-9_|]\*\}\n
Replace:&1:\n

-- 
Martin
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Martin Wuerthner         MW Software      http://www.mw-software.com/
        RISC OS Software for Design, Printing and Publishing
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#455

On 19/06/2011 16:12, Martin Wuerthner wrote:

> Search:\<\{\[a-zA-Z0-9_|]\[a-zA-Z0-9_|]\*\}\n
> Replace:&1:\n

Ah, the good ol' days.

Why can't I find an editor that capable under Windows? Even the 
facilities offered by !Edit blow away most of the editors I've seen in 
IDEs and such, where "\n" and "\t" are about as good as it gets. Kinda 
wish I had !Zap.exe someplace... ;-)


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#456

Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On 19/06/2011 16:12, Martin Wuerthner wrote:
> 
> > Search:\<\{\[a-zA-Z0-9_|]\[a-zA-Z0-9_|]\*\}\n
> > Replace:&1:\n
> 
> Ah, the good ol' days.
> 
> Why can't I find an editor that capable under Windows?

TextPad will do regular expressions.

Alan

-- 
RISC OS - you know it makes cents

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#457

In message <4dfe1fac$0$14699$ba4acef3@reader.news.orange.fr>
 on 19 Jun 2011 Rick Murray  wrote:

> On 19/06/2011 16:12, Martin Wuerthner wrote:
> 
> > Search:\<\{\[a-zA-Z0-9_|]\[a-zA-Z0-9_|]\*\}\n
> > Replace:&1:\n
> 
> Ah, the good ol' days.
> 
> Why can't I find an editor that capable under Windows?

Because you haven't looked very far?

The open source editor NotePad++ is pretty good, though I do wish it had a
way of displaying the file in hex and ASCII.  Even so, it's way better than
!Edit.  On Linux I prefer Kate or Emacs.

-- 
Matthew Phillips
Durham

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#458

On 19/06/2011 19:53, Matthew Phillips wrote:

> The open source editor NotePad++ is pretty good,

Sweet. I like.


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#491

In article <aa2ce7e551.Matthew@sinenomine.freeserve.co.uk>,
   Matthew Phillips <spam2011m@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> The open source editor NotePad++ is pretty good, though I do wish it had a
> way of displaying the file in hex and ASCII.

That'd be UltraEdit then. IIRC, not free software though.

Ta,

Steve

-- 
Steve Revill @ Home
Note: All opinions expressed herein are my own.

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#460

Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
 
> Why can't I find an editor that capable under Windows? 

You're not looking hard enough?  There's lots of "programmer's editors"
around.

-- 
Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own.

Email sent to my from-address will be deleted. Instead, please reply
to newsreplyaaa@wingsandbeaks.org.uk replacing "aaa" by "284".  

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#463

In message <16efd2e551.martin@bach.planiverse.com>
          Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> wrote:

> In message <4390cbe551.cferris@cferris.freeuk.com>
>           cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid wrote:
> 
> > Hi
> > Am trying out the assembler '!ASM' is there a way of Globally changing
[snip]
> 
> Search:\<\{\[a-zA-Z0-9_|]\[a-zA-Z0-9_|]\*\}\n
> Replace:&1:\n
> 

Thanks Martin - by changing the \n at the ends to \[] it gets the
others with something else on the line.

And with a litle work - you can use it to change OS_Exit to "OS_Exit".
Handy :-)

[] = space

By the way is there a simple way to exit a short prog ie about 6 lines
have used OS_Exit which !DeskDebug seems to handle but !DDT locks up.

Thanks for your help
Bye
-- 
Colin Ferris Cornwall UK

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#472

In message <d5223fe651.cferris@cferris.freeuk.com>
          cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid wrote:

> By the way is there a simple way to exit a short prog ie about 6 lines
> have used OS_Exit which !DeskDebug seems to handle but !DDT locks up.

That depends on how the program is run. As far as Absolute programs 
are concerned OS_Exit is the standard way to leave them and DDT 
certainly copes with that. So, if DDT locks up, something else must 
have gone wrong.

-- 
Martin
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Martin Wuerthner         MW Software      http://www.mw-software.com/
        RISC OS Software for Design, Printing and Publishing
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#454

In message <4390cbe551.cferris@cferris.freeuk.com>
       cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid wrote:

> Hi
> Am trying out the assembler '!ASM' is there a way of Globally changing
> the beginning of a line ie add a colon to the end of the label?
> *******
> label
> 
> to
> 
> label:
> *******
> 

If this is my ASM, then from v5.01 there is a command line qualifier
(-pragma z1) that will make ASM follow ObjAsm syntax for labels (i.e.
labels must start in column 1, and are not terminated by a colon).

This should make it easier for you to try it out without having to
change all the source code (it doesn't accept ObjAsm macro syntax,
though).

-- 
Nick Roberts           tigger @ orpheusinternet.co.uk           

Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which
can be adequately explained by stupidity.

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#464

In message <53e5dae551.tigger@bc63.orpheusinternet.co.uk>
          Nick Roberts <tigger@orpheusinternet.co.uk> wrote:

> In message <4390cbe551.cferris@cferris.freeuk.com>
>        cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid wrote:
> 
[snip]

> 
> This should make it easier for you to try it out without having to
> change all the source code (it doesn't accept ObjAsm macro syntax,
> though).
> 

Thanks for replying -)

I found by adding that command at the end of the filename in the Source
icon of !ASM worked - nice to have a button though.

Nice being able to use the likes of "OS_Exit" without having to have
then defined at the beginning of the file.

Tried it with a smallish prog 1.5Mb - 14Mins about 800 errors :-(

didn't like ADRL for one.

Would be very handy for short progs - but it would be nice if one could
just drag the source file to the IconBar and then save a !Runable file
to the RAM disc - linking done for you.

Was there a different !Link prog - that would save out 'Binary' file as
FF8 'Absolute' or 'DebImage' - ready for Debugging?

Being able to use pre-made MACRO's stored in ROM apps would be handy -
no need for extra lines in the beginning of the source file.

label: SIG

Would be nice as standard - for adding a procedure name.

 
Thanks for your prog

Bye
-- 
Colin Ferris Cornwall UK

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#471

In message <623842e651.cferris@cferris.freeuk.com>
       cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid wrote:

> In message <53e5dae551.tigger@bc63.orpheusinternet.co.uk>
>           Nick Roberts <tigger@orpheusinternet.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > In message <4390cbe551.cferris@cferris.freeuk.com>
> >        cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid wrote:
> > 
> [snip]
> 
> > 
> > This should make it easier for you to try it out without having to
> > change all the source code (it doesn't accept ObjAsm macro syntax,
> > though).
> > 
> 
> Thanks for replying -)
> 
> I found by adding that command at the end of the filename in the Source
> icon of !ASM worked - nice to have a button though.

It's on the menu on the FrontEnd tool (i.e. !ASM) - enter "z1" into the
"Pragma" writable menu item.

> Nice being able to use the likes of "OS_Exit" without having to have
> then defined at the beginning of the file.

I thought about supporting SWI names, but finally decided against it (for
no particularly good reason, I think...). Whenever I'm using ASM, I
tend to have all the SWIsI'm interested in defined in another file that
I then INCLUDE.

> Tried it with a smallish prog 1.5Mb - 14Mins about 800 errors :-(

1.5MB of source code in a single file isn't what I'd call smallish, but
YMMV.

> didn't like ADRL for one.

ADRL is on the list of things to look at, if/whenI get round to doing
more work on ASM (which will probably happen when I get my ARMini).

> Would be very handy for short progs - but it would be nice if one
> could just drag the source file to the IconBar and then save a
> !Runable file to the RAM disc - linking done for you.
> 
> Was there a different !Link prog - that would save out 'Binary' file as
> FF8 'Absolute' or 'DebImage' - ready for Debugging?

It was always intended to use the standard Acorn linker for this.
Again, I though of providing a switch to output an absolute or a
Utility, but unfortuntely it's quite a lot of work (I didn't see the
need until about V3, but which time the fundamental program
architecture meant that retro-fitting it wouldn't be easy).

> Being able to use pre-made MACRO's stored in ROM apps would be handy -

Sorry, I don't follow this. What are you trying to do?

> no need for extra lines in the beginning of the source file.
> 
> label: SIG
> 
> Would be nice as standard - for adding a procedure name.

I'm can't recall whether it's in the documentation or not, but a macro
I commonly use is:

          MACRO  EXTERNAL,funcname
          DCSZ   @funcname
          ALIGN
          DCD    ((( size(@funcname) >> 2) + 1) << 2) + &ff000000
          EXPORT funcname
funcname: ENDM

which look pretty gross, but allows me to use, for example:

          EXTERNAL   plotcell

to create a standard C-type function name block that is recognised by
DDT, etc.
-- 
Nick Roberts           tigger @ orpheusinternet.co.uk           

Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which
can be adequately explained by stupidity.

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#477

On 20/06/2011 21:40, Nick Roberts wrote:

> I thought about supporting SWI names, but finally decided against it (for
> no particularly good reason, I think...).

Be nice to have it as an option, so long as the desired module is loaded 
to allow name-to-number translation.


>> Tried it with a smallish prog 1.5Mb - 14Mins about 800 errors :-(
> 1.5MB of source code in a single file isn't what I'd call smallish, but
> YMMV.

Indeed, isn't the *entire* WindowManager smaller than that? ;-)

14 minutes - I make that around 110KiB/minute. Doesn't that seem a 
little slow?


> ADRL is on the list of things to look at,

It doesn't support ADRL?!? I could have sworn it did... maybe I used the 
LDR-from-a-local-pointer-word thingy instead?


> It was always intended to use the standard Acorn linker for this.
> Again, I though of providing a switch to output an absolute or a
> Utility, but unfortuntely it's quite a lot of work

This behaviour is not unusual - I had to jump through hoops to write my 
"smallest possible ARM ELF file" because the GCC assembler absolutely 
*would* *not* output anything without wrapping it in an ELF body. I 
didn't see a way to generate a raw binary file. In the end I settled for 
hacking off the rubbish with a hex editor. So if your assembler doesn't 
output Absolute files by itself, this isn't a surprise.


> need until about V3, but which time the fundamental program
> architecture meant that retro-fitting it wouldn't be easy).

Something else to consider is the issue of generating a valid executable 
from multiple source files. It isn't the assembler's job to sort out 
that sort of mess.


> to create a standard C-type function name block that is recognised by
> DDT, etc.

Useful, thanks.


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#480

In message <4e0026af$0$14652$ba4acef3@reader.news.orange.fr>
          Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On 20/06/2011 21:40, Nick Roberts wrote:
> 
> > I thought about supporting SWI names, but finally decided against it
> > (for no particularly good reason, I think...).
> 
[snip]

ASM V 5.04 Mar 2004 (Nick Roberts

Errm - It seems to work with "OS_Exit" etc here - very handy.

> >> Tried it with a smallish prog 1.5Mb - 14Mins about 800 errors :-(
> > 1.5MB of source code in a single file isn't what I'd call smallish,
> > but YMMV.
> 

PD4 is just under 10Mb text file - some other files are bigger.

Seems to multi-task - but it seems way slower than ObjAsm :-(

Perhaps a Faster IDE interface would help & more RAM - 64Mbytes here.

Might be interesting to compare times with the Iyonix!


> 14 minutes - I make that around 110KiB/minute. Doesn't that seem a 
> little slow?
> 
> 
> > ADRL is on the list of things to look at,
> 
> It doesn't support ADRL?!? I could have sworn it did... maybe I used
> the  LDR-from-a-local-pointer-word thingy instead?
> 

It talks about ADRL in the help file - Perhaps a MACRO could be made up
to handle this.

From help file 
(New pseudo-op 'MVL', and 'L' variant of ADR (i.e.ADRL))

> > It was always intended to use the standard Acorn linker for this.
> > Again, I though of providing a switch to output an absolute or a
> > Utility, but unfortuntely it's quite a lot of work
> 

Seem to think there was another linker prog 'DRLinker'?

Seems a pity the front end of Acorns linker '!Link' can't be modified to
give an option to output the 'Binary' option as FF8 or 'DebImage'
instead of just 'Data'.

I see that ASM is written in 'C' - a 486 version :-|

Bye 
-- 
Colin Ferris Cornwall UK

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#485

In message <5ddcc2e651.cferris@cferris.freeuk.com>
       cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid wrote:

> In message <4e0026af$0$14652$ba4acef3@reader.news.orange.fr>
>           Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > On 20/06/2011 21:40, Nick Roberts wrote:
> > 
> > > I thought about supporting SWI names, but finally decided against it
> > > (for no particularly good reason, I think...).
> > 
> [snip]
> 
> ASM V 5.04 Mar 2004 (Nick Roberts
> 
> Errm - It seems to work with "OS_Exit" etc here - very handy.

Oops. I did indeed end up putting it in, but it's so long ago I'd
forgotten...

> > >> Tried it with a smallish prog 1.5Mb - 14Mins about 800 errors :-(
> > > 1.5MB of source code in a single file isn't what I'd call smallish,
> > > but YMMV.
> > 
> 
> PD4 is just under 10Mb text file - some other files are bigger.
> 
> Seems to multi-task - but it seems way slower than ObjAsm :-(
> 
> Perhaps a Faster IDE interface would help & more RAM - 64Mbytes here.
> 
> Might be interesting to compare times with the Iyonix!
> 
> 
> > 14 minutes - I make that around 110KiB/minute. Doesn't that seem a 
> > little slow?
> > 
> > 
> > > ADRL is on the list of things to look at,
> > 
> > It doesn't support ADRL?!? I could have sworn it did... maybe I used
> > the  LDR-from-a-local-pointer-word thingy instead?
> > 
> 
> It talks about ADRL in the help file - Perhaps a MACRO could be made up
> to handle this.
> 
> From help file 
> (New pseudo-op 'MVL', and 'L' variant of ADR (i.e.ADRL))

Another one of those embarrassing moments....

This is (somewhat) forgiveable, as I had a disc crash and lost the
latest version of the help file(s). Luckily, I had a backup of all the
source code, but not the documentation.

> > > It was always intended to use the standard Acorn linker for this.
> > > Again, I though of providing a switch to output an absolute or a
> > > Utility, but unfortuntely it's quite a lot of work
> > 
> 
> Seem to think there was another linker prog 'DRLinker'?

Never used it, I'm afraid.

> I see that ASM is written in 'C' - a 486 version :-|

C is God's Own Computer Language, just as VMS is God's Own OS.

-- 
Nick Roberts           tigger @ orpheusinternet.co.uk           

Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which
can be adequately explained by stupidity.

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#487

On 21/06/2011 21:03, Nick Roberts wrote:

>> I see that ASM is written in 'C' - a 486 version :-|
> C is God's Own Computer Language, just as VMS is God's Own OS.

Batten down the hatches!


Best wishes,

Rick.

PS: What sort of sick God would think that a construct like:
       v = **a[&x].p->f++;
     deserves to be represented in actual code?
     Take a look at: http://www.thc.org/root/phun/unmaintain.html
     ;-)

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#488

In message <4e0225e5$0$30746$ba4acef3@reader.news.orange.fr>
          Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On 21/06/2011 21:03, Nick Roberts wrote:

>>> I see that ASM is written in 'C' - a 486 version :-|
>> C is God's Own Computer Language, just as VMS is God's Own OS.

> Batten down the hatches!

I disagree. DCL is God's Own Computer Language, just as VMS is God's 
Own OS.


> Best wishes,

> Rick.

> PS: What sort of sick God would think that a construct like:
>        v = **a[&x].p->f++;
>      deserves to be represented in actual code?
>      Take a look at: http://www.thc.org/root/phun/unmaintain.html
>      ;-)


-- 
Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire
alan@adamshome.org.uk
http://www.nckc.org.uk/

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#489

On 22/06/2011 23:33, Alan Adams wrote:

>>> C is God's Own Computer Language, just as VMS is God's Own OS.
> I disagree. DCL is God's Own Computer Language, just as VMS is God's
> Own OS.

MOS 1.2 is God's Own OS. :-P


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#499

Rick Murray wrote:
> MOS 1.2 is God's Own OS. :-P

It says OS 1.20 here ;)

JGH

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