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  Very rust programmer here Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> - 2019-09-01 19:26 +0100
    Re: Very rust[y] programmer here Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> - 2019-09-01 19:34 +0100
      Re: Very rust[y] programmer here J Peachey <john@jpeachey.co.uk> - 2019-09-01 20:03 +0100
        Re: Very rust[y] programmer here Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> - 2019-09-01 21:29 +0100
    Re: Very rusty programmer here Paul Oates <oatespaul@btinternet.com> - 2019-09-01 21:08 +0100
      Re: Very rusty programmer here Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> - 2019-09-01 21:21 +0100
        Re: Very rusty programmer here Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2019-09-01 23:01 +0100
          Re: Very rusty programmer here Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> - 2019-09-02 09:18 +0100
            Toolbox query was: Very rusty programmer here Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> - 2019-09-11 12:45 +0100
              Re: Toolbox query was: Very rusty programmer here News <chrisjohnson@spamcop.net> - 2019-09-11 14:08 +0100
                Re: Toolbox query was: Very rusty programmer here Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> - 2019-09-11 16:08 +0100
    Re: Very rust programmer here Kevin Wells <kev@kevsoft.co.uk> - 2019-09-01 20:12 +0100
    Re: Very rust programmer here Richard Ashbery <basura@invalid.addr.uk> - 2019-09-18 16:47 +0100
      Re: Very rust programmer here Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> - 2019-09-18 17:39 +0100
        Re: Very rust programmer here Richard Ashbery <basura@invalid.addr.uk> - 2019-09-19 16:11 +0100
          Re: Very rust programmer here Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> - 2019-09-19 16:48 +0100
            Re: Very rust programmer here Richard Ashbery <basura@invalid.addr.uk> - 2019-09-20 12:30 +0100

#5820 — Very rust programmer here

After a very long lay-off and in anticipation of more time indoors over
the coming winter I am attempting to relearn BASIC. The intention is to
use AppBasic or Dr Wimp to eventually produce something useful. Both of
these are well documented, what I am missing is some information on
keywords etc to give me a nudge. I think I once had a book by Ray Favre
but that can't be found. Any suggestions?
Thanks

-- 
_____________________________________________________________________

Brian Jordan
RISC OS 5.23 on Raspberry Pi
_____________________________________________________________________

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#5821 — Re: Very rust[y] programmer here

In article <57eccea82cbrian.jordan9@btinternet.com>,
   Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> wrote:
> After a very long lay-off and in anticipation of more time indoors over
> the coming winter I am attempting to relearn BASIC. The intention is to
> use AppBasic or Dr Wimp to eventually produce something useful. Both of
> these are well documented, what I am missing is some information on
> keywords etc to give me a nudge. I think I once had a book by Ray Favre
> but that can't be found. Any suggestions?
> Thanks

I have just found an electronic copy of "First steps in programming RISC
OS computers" by Martyn Fox on my Pi. This seems to provide most of what
I'm looking for but all otthe suggestions appreciated

-- 
_____________________________________________________________________

Brian Jordan
RISC OS 5.23 on Raspberry Pi
_____________________________________________________________________

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#5822 — Re: Very rust[y] programmer here

In message <57eccf5083brian.jordan9@btinternet.com>
          Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> wrote:

> In article <57eccea82cbrian.jordan9@btinternet.com>,
>    Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> After a very long lay-off and in anticipation of more time indoors over
>> the coming winter I am attempting to relearn BASIC. The intention is to
>> use AppBasic or Dr Wimp to eventually produce something useful. Both of
>> these are well documented, what I am missing is some information on
>> keywords etc to give me a nudge. I think I once had a book by Ray Favre
>> but that can't be found. Any suggestions?
>> Thanks

> I have just found an electronic copy of "First steps in programming RISC
> OS computers" by Martyn Fox on my Pi. This seems to provide most of what
> I'm looking for but all otthe suggestions appreciated

With Appbasic, it's best to work through the various examples in the 
package and the brief tutorial. There is no (as far as I know) other 
documentation. I usually find writing a small app using the examples as 
templates gets me going. I tend to use of r awhile then nopt program for 
long periods - by which time its difficult to remember whats what!

John

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                       |   University of Glos. Blighting Longlevens.
                       |   mailto:john@jpeachey.co.uk
_______________________|   http://www.jpeachey.co.uk

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#5825 — Re: Very rust[y] programmer here

In article <32f8d1ec57.john@user.orpheusmail.co.uk>,
   J Peachey <john@jpeachey.co.uk> wrote:

[Snip]

> With Appbasic, it's best to work through the various examples in the
> package and the brief tutorial. There is no (as far as I know) other
> documentation. I usually find writing a small app using the examples as
> templates gets me going. I tend to use of r awhile then nopt program
> for long periods - by which time its difficult to remember whats what!

Thank you that's effectively what I am doing but  also I'd like to
refresh myself on the subleties of BASIC which I learned back when I
spent a lot of time programming with my son.

-- 
_____________________________________________________________________

Brian Jordan
RISC OS 5.23 on Raspberry Pi
_____________________________________________________________________

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#5823 — Re: Very rusty programmer here

In message <57eccea82cbrian.jordan9@btinternet.com>
          Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> wrote:

> After a very long lay-off and in anticipation of more time indoors over
> the coming winter I am attempting to relearn BASIC. The intention is to
> use AppBasic or Dr Wimp to eventually produce something useful. Both of
> these are well documented, what I am missing is some information on
> keywords etc to give me a nudge. I think I once had a book by Ray Favre
> but that can't be found. Any suggestions?
> Thanks

The Ray Favre website is still going:

http://www.rayfavre.me.uk/

and the books can still be purchased.

-- 
Paul Oates
oatespaul@btinternet.com

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#5824 — Re: Very rusty programmer here

In article <15fad7ec57.Paul@oatespaul.btinternet.com>,
   Paul Oates <oatespaul@btinternet.com> wrote:



> In message <57eccea82cbrian.jordan9@btinternet.com>
>           Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> wrote:

> > After a very long lay-off and in anticipation of more time indoors
> > over the coming winter I am attempting to relearn BASIC. The
> > intention is to use AppBasic or Dr Wimp to eventually produce
> > something useful. Both of these are well documented, what I am
> > missing is some information on keywords etc to give me a nudge. I
> > think I once had a book by Ray Favre but that can't be found. Any
> > suggestions? Thanks

> The Ray Favre website is still going:

> http://www.rayfavre.me.uk/

> and the books can still be purchased.

Thank you - I wasn't aware of that.

-- 
_____________________________________________________________________

Brian Jordan
RISC OS 5.23 on Raspberry Pi
_____________________________________________________________________

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#5827 — Re: Very rusty programmer here

On 1 Sep, Brian Jordan wrote in message
    <57ecd92fd4brian.jordan9@btinternet.com>:

> In article <15fad7ec57.Paul@oatespaul.btinternet.com>,
>    Paul Oates <oatespaul@btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
> > The Ray Favre website is still going:
> 
> > http://www.rayfavre.me.uk/
> 
> > and the books can still be purchased.
> 
> Thank you - I wasn't aware of that.

There's also the official manual, which contains all of the "walkthrough"
chapters of the original, plus a full reference work on all of the keywords.

  https://www.riscosopen.org/content/sales/bbc-basic-reference

It also has the advantage of being completely up to date with modern
systems, which none of the other books mentioned are.

And it bungs some money ROOL's way, which is never a bad thing.

-- 
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England

http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/

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#5828 — Re: Very rusty programmer here

In article <mpro.px6aj106ybju101mh.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>,
   Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:

[Snip]

> There's also the official manual, which contains all of the
> "walkthrough" chapters of the original, plus a full reference work on
> all of the keywords.

>   https://www.riscosopen.org/content/sales/bbc-basic-reference

> It also has the advantage of being completely up to date with modern
> systems, which none of the other books mentioned are.

> And it bungs some money ROOL's way, which is never a bad thing.

Thanks Steve, some money bunged in that direction.

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_____________________________________________________________________

Brian Jordan
RISC OS 5.23 on Raspberry Pi
_____________________________________________________________________

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#5829 — Toolbox query was: Very rusty programmer here

In article <57ed1ac3acbrian.jordan9@btinternet.com>,
   Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> wrote:
> In article <mpro.px6aj106ybju101mh.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>,
>    Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:

[Snip]

> > And it bungs some money ROOL's way, which is never a bad thing.

> Thanks Steve, some money bunged in that direction.

The manual arrived promptly and is very helpful - I'm surprised how much
I have remembered over the last 20 or more years since I did any
programming.

I  have spent a useful few evenings with AppBasic working on a little
program which is progressing nicely. When I returned to it today I find
that I can no longer adjust the size of gadgets in the main window using
!ResEd (0.76 12 Apr 2008) as the little handles only appear briefly when
I select the gadget. This also applies to any new gadgets I try to
insert. All of this on VA.

If I import the program to this RPi where AppBasic runs (somewhat
shakily) under Aemulor I am able to perform the required edits although,
I have just noticed, this is with !ResEd (0.33 25-May-95) which has fewer
gadget options.

This is a bit frustrating and disheartening and I'd appreciate any hints
as to what I might try.

Thank you.

-- 
_____________________________________________________________________

Brian Jordan
RISC OS 5.23 on Raspberry Pi
_____________________________________________________________________

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#5830 — Re: Toolbox query was: Very rusty programmer here

In article <57f1d04ee3brian.jordan9@btinternet.com>,
   Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> wrote:
> This is a bit frustrating and disheartening and I'd appreciate any hints
> as to what I might try.

Maybe the first thing to try would be a later version of !ResEd. My
version dates from Dec 2015, and there may well be a newer version
now. The version numbers are misleading, since like much else, the
versions became very out of sync following the OS split - less said
the better.

-- 
Chris Johnson

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#5831 — Re: Toolbox query was: Very rusty programmer here

In article <57f1d7e9fachrisjohnson@spamcop.net>,
   News <chrisjohnson@spamcop.net> wrote:
> In article <57f1d04ee3brian.jordan9@btinternet.com>,
>    Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > This is a bit frustrating and disheartening and I'd appreciate any
> > hints as to what I might try.

> Maybe the first thing to try would be a later version of !ResEd. My
> version dates from Dec 2015, and there may well be a newer version
> now. The version numbers are misleading, since like much else, the
> versions became very out of sync following the OS split - less said
> the better.

Thank you, I have just found v0.59 (26-Aug-18). It works on this Pi and
am editing my templates again!

-- 
_____________________________________________________________________

Brian Jordan
RISC OS 5.23 on Raspberry Pi
_____________________________________________________________________

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#5826

In message <57eccea82cbrian.jordan9@btinternet.com>
          Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> wrote:

>After a very long lay-off and in anticipation of more time indoors over
>the coming winter I am attempting to relearn BASIC. The intention is to
>use AppBasic or Dr Wimp to eventually produce something useful. Both of
>these are well documented, what I am missing is some information on
>keywords etc to give me a nudge. I think I once had a book by Ray Favre
>but that can't be found. Any suggestions?
>Thanks
>

With DR Wimp the manual has a very good tutorial with it, so go through
that until you are ready to write you own applications.


-- 
Kev Wells
http://kevsoft.co.uk/
carpe cervisium
An 'Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool - you bet that Tommy sees!

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#5832

In article <57eccea82cbrian.jordan9@btinternet.com>, Brian Jordan
<brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> wrote:
> After a very long lay-off and in anticipation of more time indoors
> over the coming winter I am attempting to relearn BASIC. The
> intention is to use AppBasic or Dr Wimp to eventually produce
> something useful. Both of these are well documented, what I am
> missing is some information on keywords etc to give me a nudge. I
> think I once had a book by Ray Favre but that can't be found. Any
> suggestions? Thanks

I meant to send this before going on holiday but didn't.

Some good suggestions have already been made but I found of the best
releases was 55 BBC Micro Books by Chris Dewhurst and all for 13 UKP.
Although books were published many, many years ago much of the BASIC
still works on the latest RISC OS hardware. 

The information I have is that Chris has been and may still be ill.
This may put a block on getting this CD but it may be worth persuing.

http://www.dragdrop.co.uk

Richard

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#5833

In article <57f5814cfabasura@invalid.addr.uk>,
   Richard Ashbery <basura@invalid.addr.uk> wrote:
> In article <57eccea82cbrian.jordan9@btinternet.com>, Brian Jordan
> <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> wrote:

[Snip]

> I meant to send this before going on holiday but didn't.

> Some good suggestions have already been made but I found of the best
> releases was 55 BBC Micro Books by Chris Dewhurst and all for 13 UKP.
> Although books were published many, many years ago much of the BASIC
> still works on the latest RISC OS hardware. 

> The information I have is that Chris has been and may still be ill.
> This may put a block on getting this CD but it may be worth persuing.

> http://www.dragdrop.co.uk

> Richard

Thanks for the suggestion. I have sent you a personal email.
B

-- 
_____________________________________________________________________

Brian Jordan
RISC OS 5.23 on Raspberry Pi
_____________________________________________________________________

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#5834

In article <57f58610d3brian.jordan9@btinternet.com>, Brian Jordan
<brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> wrote:
> In article <57f5814cfabasura@invalid.addr.uk>, Richard Ashbery
>    <basura@invalid.addr.uk> wrote:
> > In article <57eccea82cbrian.jordan9@btinternet.com>, Brian Jordan
> > <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> wrote:

> [Snip]

> > I meant to send this before going on holiday but didn't.

> > Some good suggestions have already been made but I found one of the
> > best releases was 55 BBC Micro Books by Chris Dewhurst and all for
> > 13 UKP. Although books were published many, many years ago much of
> > the BASIC still works on the latest RISC OS hardware.

> > The information I have is that Chris has been and may still be
> > ill. This may put a block on getting this CD but it may be worth
> > persuing.

> > http://www.dragdrop.co.uk

> > Richard

> Thanks for the suggestion. I have sent you a personal email. B

Hi Brian

Not received - old email address perhaps?

Regards

Richard

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#5835

In article <57f601d809basura@invalid.addr.uk>,
   Richard Ashbery <basura@invalid.addr.uk> wrote:
> In article <57f58610d3brian.jordan9@btinternet.com>, Brian Jordan

[Snip]

> > Thanks for the suggestion. I have sent you a personal email. B

> Hi Brian

> Not received - old email address perhaps?

I wasn't sure whether the invalid.addr.uk was right so I Cc'd to the
address on the dragdrop site. No worries, it was just to comment how
helpful I had found your AppBasic primer in Archive 24/2.

Best wishes
Brian

-- 
_____________________________________________________________________

Brian Jordan
RISC OS 5.23 on Raspberry Pi
_____________________________________________________________________

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#5836

In article <57f60532eebrian.jordan9@btinternet.com>, Brian Jordan
<brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> wrote:
> In article <57f601d809basura@invalid.addr.uk>, Richard Ashbery
>    <basura@invalid.addr.uk> wrote:
> > In article <57f58610d3brian.jordan9@btinternet.com>, Brian Jordan

> [Snip]

> > > Thanks for the suggestion. I have sent you a personal email. B

> > Hi Brian

> > Not received - old email address perhaps?

> I wasn't sure whether the invalid.addr.uk was right so I Cc'd to
> the address on the dragdrop site. No worries, it was just to
> comment how helpful I had found your AppBasic primer in Archive
> 24/2.

Many thanks for your feedback - I'd almost forgotten about the article
- it was at least 3 years ago - time flies. I looked at !AppBasic many
years ago before publishing the tutorial. I also attended a Wakefield
talk by the superb programmer, Joe Taylor that but did'nt appreciate how
excellent it was. I've not done anything with it since because I wanted
to use it for graphic work for which my knowledge is lacking - I'm not a
"natural" programmer and struggled. I've since tried to learn more about
BASIC (single tasking) relating to graphics. If graphics holds your
interest then have a look at "Simple Graphic Programming in RISC OS
BASIC" ... http://www.riscosbasic.uk . The site is incomplete which
reminds me I must add more to it. Much of the material is based on Drag
'n Drop's "55 BBC Micro Books" CDROM.

Good luck with the programming.

Richard

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