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  Digital switchover Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> - 2026-05-10 23:35 +0100
    Re: Digital switchover Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2026-05-11 07:32 +0100
      Re: Digital switchover Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> - 2026-05-11 11:48 +0100
        Re: Digital switchover Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> - 2026-05-11 16:17 +0100
          Re: Digital switchover Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> - 2026-05-11 16:38 +0100
            Re: Digital switchover Martin <News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk> - 2026-05-11 16:49 +0100
              Re: Digital switchover Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> - 2026-05-11 20:36 +0100
                Re: Digital switchover Martin <News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk> - 2026-05-11 22:24 +0100
                  Re: Digital switchover Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> - 2026-05-12 09:37 +0100
                  Digital switchover Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> - 2026-05-13 16:09 +0100
                Re: Digital switchover Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-05-21 21:22 +0100
                  Re: Digital switchover Martin <News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk> - 2026-05-21 22:00 +0100
                    Re: Digital switchover Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-05-22 00:10 +0100
                    Re: Digital switchover Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> - 2026-05-25 20:11 +0100
                      Re: Digital switchover Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2026-05-25 21:00 +0000
                        Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-25 22:11 +0100
                        Re: Digital switchover David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> - 2026-05-25 22:24 +0100
                      Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-25 22:16 +0100
                        Re: Digital switchover Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> - 2026-05-26 10:15 +0100
                          Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-26 12:11 +0100
                            Digital switchover Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> - 2026-05-27 11:20 +0100
                              Re: Digital switchover Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> - 2026-06-16 09:02 +0100
                                Re: Digital switchover Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> - 2026-06-16 09:49 +0100
                                  Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-06-17 12:56 +0100
                                    Re: Digital switchover Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> - 2026-06-18 06:05 +0100
                                Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-06-16 09:30 +0100
                      Re: Digital switchover Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> - 2026-05-25 23:20 +0100
                        Re: Digital switchover Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> - 2026-05-26 01:00 +0100
                          Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-26 08:38 +0100
                            Re: Digital switchover Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> - 2026-05-26 18:32 +0100
                        Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-26 08:37 +0100
                          Re: Digital switchover Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> - 2026-05-26 16:02 +0100
            Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-11 18:06 +0100
        Re: Digital switchover Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2026-05-11 22:26 +0100
      Re: Digital switchover Adrian Crafer <acrafer@orpheusmail.co.uk> - 2026-05-11 11:00 +0000
    Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-11 13:12 +0100
      Re: Digital switchover Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2026-05-11 14:17 +0100
        Re: Digital switchover Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2026-05-11 14:21 +0100
          Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-11 14:35 +0100
      Re: Digital switchover Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> - 2026-05-11 15:12 +0100
        Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-11 18:00 +0100
          Re: Digital switchover Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> - 2026-05-12 10:18 +0100
            Re: Digital switchover Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2026-05-12 19:14 +0100
      Re: Digital switchover Martin <News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk> - 2026-05-11 16:23 +0100
        Re: Digital switchover Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> - 2026-05-12 09:46 +0100
          Re: Digital switchover Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2026-05-12 10:15 +0100
            Re: Digital switchover Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2026-05-12 10:28 +0100
            Re: Digital switchover Martin <News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk> - 2026-05-12 10:42 +0100
              Re: Digital switchover Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> - 2026-05-12 13:26 +0100
            Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-12 11:37 +0100
              Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-12 12:30 +0100
                Re: Digital switchover Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2026-05-12 13:12 +0100
                Re: Digital switchover Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> - 2026-05-12 13:27 +0100
                Re: Digital switchover Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> - 2026-05-13 12:59 +0100
                  Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-13 15:03 +0100
                    Re: Digital switchover Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> - 2026-05-14 17:13 +0100
                      Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-14 18:04 +0100
                        Re: Digital switchover Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> - 2026-05-15 21:54 +0100
              Re: Digital switchover Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2026-05-12 19:24 +0100
                Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-12 20:33 +0100
                  Re: Digital switchover Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2026-05-12 21:38 +0100
          Re: Digital switchover Martin <News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk> - 2026-05-12 10:27 +0100
          Re: Digital switchover Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2026-05-12 19:18 +0100
            Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-12 20:42 +0100
    Re: Digital switchover druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2026-05-11 14:32 +0100
      Re: Digital switchover Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2026-05-12 11:08 +0100
        Re: Digital switchover Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> - 2026-05-12 13:29 +0100
          Re: Digital switchover Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2026-05-12 14:29 +0100
            Re: Digital switchover Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> - 2026-05-13 00:05 +0100
              Re: Digital switchover Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2026-05-13 10:48 +0100
                Re: Digital switchover Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> - 2026-05-13 12:58 +0100

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#5279 — Digital switchover

Hi,

The time is looming it seem. I have no idea when the cut off point is for
us here in Portsmouth (I think we're well down the list) but my provider
PlusNet is not going to do voip phone, only broadband.

I want to keep my landline.

To that end, they have offered to move me over to EE at a very reasonable
rate. EE is another provider in that group with BT. 

EE apparently will give you a free adapter to put your phone anywhere in
the house, not just plugged in to the router.
I'm hoping that adapter or another will allow me to keep the 4 phones I
currently have wired around the house.
My wife next door can do that with virgin so presumably it's possible.

I suspect EE will want to put their router as near as possible to the
front door where their cable will come in. That's a nuisance 'cause my
current router is in the back top bedroom which I use as an office. The
signal currently goes easily all round the premises.

I have a Pi 4 and a RiscPC sans wi-fi so they are cabled to the router.
I'm certainly not putting them by the front door.

If PlusNet let me keep their router I'm hoping I can set it up as an
access point and keep my kit upstairs wired to that.

Observations, experiences etc re any of the above gratefully received.

I'll copy this to the LiveTech list as well to spread the net wider.

Regards,

-- 
Chris Newman

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#5280

In article <5cd7009a73mec@npost.uk>,
   Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> wrote:
> Hi,

> The time is looming it seem. I have no idea when the cut off point is for
> us here in Portsmouth (I think we're well down the list) but my provider
> PlusNet is not going to do voip phone, only broadband.

> I want to keep my landline.[Snippy]

Chris,
Here in Bournemouth, we also don't have a date...

My problem is similar to yours, in that the entry point is at the front of
the house, and our office with all the equipment is at the back of the
house, and to hopefully sort that out... 
I've installed a Cat5e cable through the loft (In a conduit) from the
front entry point to the office.

I still have to terminate each end of the cable, but being busy ATM with
other matters, that'll have to wait.  :-)

(Fitting plugs on network cables is always a PITA)

This is the latest info I have...

"BT has extended its deadline for shutting down the traditional analogue
copper-wire phone network (PSTN) across the UK to January 31, 2027"

Dave

-- 

Dave Triffid

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#5281

In article <5cd72c4cb9dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk>
wrote:
> In article <5cd7009a73mec@npost.uk>, Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> wrote:
> > Hi,

> > The time is looming it seem. I have no idea when the cut off point is
> > for us here in Portsmouth (I think we're well down the list) but my
> > provider PlusNet is not going to do voip phone, only broadband.

> > I want to keep my landline.[Snippy]

> Chris, Here in Bournemouth, we also don't have a date...

> My problem is similar to yours, in that the entry point is at the front
> of the house, and our office with all the equipment is at the back of
> the house, and to hopefully sort that out... I've installed a Cat5e
> cable through the loft (In a conduit) from the front entry point to the
> office.

Does the entryoint then have a big router into which you've plugged the
CAT cable?

> I still have to terminate each end of the cable, but being busy ATM
> with other matters, that'll have to wait.  :-)

> (Fitting plugs on network cables is always a PITA)

> This is the latest info I have...

> "BT has extended its deadline for shutting down the traditional
> analogue copper-wire phone network (PSTN) across the UK to January 31,
> 2027"

> Dave

-- 
Chris Newman

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#5289

In article <5cd743ba15mec@npost.uk>,
   Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> wrote:
> In article <5cd72c4cb9dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk>
> wrote:

[Snip]

> Does the entrypoint then have a big router into which you've plugged the
> CAT cable?

[Snip]

No, the main router is in the office.

"When" the BT kit is installed at the front of the house, the CAT 5e cable
will connect to their kit and also connect to the router in the office at
the back of the house.

Dave

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#5291

In article <5cd75c5829dnews@triffid.co.uk>,
   Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <5cd743ba15mec@npost.uk>,
>    Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> wrote:
> > In article <5cd72c4cb9dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk>
> > wrote:

> [Snip]

> > Does the entrypoint then have a big router into which you've plugged
> > the CAT cable?

> [Snip]

> No, the main router is in the office.

> "When" the BT kit is installed at the front of the house, the CAT 5e
> cable will connect to their kit and also connect to the router in the
> office at the back of the house.

> Dave

Mmnnn!
Just thought of a question myself.

I guess I'll lose two Router sockets at the changeover, one for the Cat5e
input and a second one for the new phone connection.

Is that the case?

Thanks
Dave

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#5292

In article <5cd75e3dc2dnews@triffid.co.uk>,
   Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> I guess I'll lose two Router sockets at the changeover, one for the
> Cat5e input and a second one for the new phone connection.

Depends.
If your router has a dedicated WAN ethernet port, then you will not
lose a LAN ethernet port for the incoming cable. But many routers
have a port that is used for the WAN, or a LAN connection otherwise,
so you would lose an LAN port.

If your router has a working and supported phone socket, then it will
not need a LAN port. However, some routers (notably Plusnet ones)
have a phone socket but it is NOT working as it is not supported by
the firmware! If you are using a separate ATA, or phone system that
incluses one, then you WILL lose an ethernet LAN port.

If you run out of ethernet ports for your LAN, then you can get
switches that are 1 LAN in, 4 (or more) out. I got mine for under £20
a few years ago.

-- 
Martin Avison 
Note that unfortunately this email address will become invalid
without notice if (when) any spam is received. 

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#5295

In article <5cd75f4273News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
   Martin <News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <5cd75e3dc2dnews@triffid.co.uk>,
>    Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> > I guess I'll lose two Router sockets at the changeover, one for the
> > Cat5e input and a second one for the new phone connection.

> Depends.
> If your router has a dedicated WAN ethernet port, then you will not
> lose a LAN ethernet port for the incoming cable. But many routers
> have a port that is used for the WAN, or a LAN connection otherwise,
> so you would lose an LAN port.

> If your router has a working and supported phone socket, then it will
> not need a LAN port. However, some routers (notably Plusnet ones)
> have a phone socket but it is NOT working as it is not supported by
> the firmware! If you are using a separate ATA, or phone system that
> incluses one, then you WILL lose an ethernet LAN port.

My router is a Draytek Vigor 2765ac
It has 4 Lan ports and one DSL port that's connected to the house phone
line.

> If you run out of ethernet ports for your LAN, then you can get
> switches that are 1 LAN in, 4 (or more) out. I got mine for under £20
> a few years ago.

Yes, I have a TP-Link 8 port switch box connected to the router that
handles most of the other house networking.

I'll have to wait and see. :-/

Thanks for the info.  :-)
Dave

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#5296

In article <5cd7740494dnews@triffid.co.uk>,
   Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <5cd75f4273News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
>    Martin <News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <5cd75e3dc2dnews@triffid.co.uk>,
> >    Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> > > I guess I'll lose two Router sockets at the changeover, one for
> > > the Cat5e input and a second one for the new phone connection.

> > Depends. If your router has a dedicated WAN ethernet port, then
> > you will not lose a LAN ethernet port for the incoming cable. But
> > many routers have a port that is used for the WAN, or a LAN
> > connection otherwise, so you would lose an LAN port.

> > If your router has a working and supported phone socket, then it
> > will not need a LAN port. However, some routers (notably Plusnet
> > ones) have a phone socket but it is NOT working as it is not
> > supported by the firmware! If you are using a separate ATA, or
> > phone system that incluses one, then you WILL lose an ethernet
> > LAN port.

> My router is a Draytek Vigor 2765ac It has 4 Lan ports and one DSL
> port that's connected to the house phone line.

One of those 'LAN' ports is actually a WAN/LAN port. With FTTP it
will be used as a WAN port for the ethernet connectoin from the ONT,
so iyou will effectively lose one LAN port. Note also that the router
will need some slight reconfiguration which disables the DSL port and
modem.

> > If you run out of ethernet ports for your LAN, then you can get
> > switches that are 1 LAN in, 4 (or more) out. I got mine for under
> > £20 a few years ago.

> Yes, I have a TP-Link 8 port switch box connected to the router that
> handles most of the other house networking.

If you have one spare ethernet port for the ONT connection, and
possibly another for an ATA connection, you should be ok - perhaps
with a bit of reorganisation.

-- 
Martin Avison 
Note that unfortunately this email address will become invalid
without notice if (when) any spam is received. 

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#5298

In article <5cd77de9c9News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
   Martin <News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <5cd7740494dnews@triffid.co.uk>,
>    Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

[Snip]

> > My router is a Draytek Vigor 2765ac It has 4 Lan ports and one DSL
> > port that's connected to the house phone line.

> One of those 'LAN' ports is actually a WAN/LAN port. With FTTP it
> will be used as a WAN port for the ethernet connectoin from the ONT,
> so iyou will effectively lose one LAN port. Note also that the router
> will need some slight reconfiguration which disables the DSL port and
> modem.

That's good news... Now you've reminded me, I vaguely remember Richard
(Brown) mentioning Port one as being used for that when the changeover
comes, but I'd forgotten.  :-(

Reconfiguration... to disable the DSL port and Modem... Ooer!

Back in the days with previous routers I was au-fait with with their
setting so I was able to adjust them as required.

But with this new Router... I'm gonna have to do some swotting.  :-)

> > > If you run out of ethernet ports for your LAN, then you can get
> > > switches that are 1 LAN in, 4 (or more) out. I got mine for under
> > > £20 a few years ago.

> > Yes, I have a TP-Link 8 port switch box connected to the router that
> > handles most of the other house networking.

> If you have one spare ethernet port for the ONT connection, and
> possibly another for an ATA connection, you should be ok - perhaps
> with a bit of reorganisation.

Yes, I can move one of the lesser used computers off the Router port onto
the switch box which recently had a port freed up when a NAS was removed
from the LAN. (It died and will not be replaced).

Thanks again for the info, appreciated.

Dave

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#5324

In article <5cd77de9c9News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
   Martin <News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:

> One of those 'LAN' ports is actually a WAN/LAN port. With FTTP it
> will be used as a WAN port for the ethernet connectoin from the ONT,
> so iyou will effectively lose one LAN port. Note also that the router
> will need some slight reconfiguration which disables the DSL port and
> modem.

[Snip]

> If you have one spare ethernet port for the ONT connection, and
> possibly another for an ATA connection, you should be ok - perhaps
> with a bit of reorganisation.

A couple of years ago I did lot of looking up stuff about the changeover.
So I'm re-visiting...

The Broad band connection from the ONT to the router is (Here) now quite 
straightforward, and ready to go (Just have to terminate the cable both
ends.
Obviously I'll need to swot up on the router settings required.


The phone system is another ball game... A nightmare I've just been
re-visiting...  :-/

And to be honest, I'm just confused by most of what I've read...

So can I please get some advice on what I perceive?

Simplest answer seems to be get a VOIP phone at the changeover time
that'll be connected to a router port?

However, at the moment I have a BT 6500 base station with couple of
handsets which works okay all over the house, and even into my workshop in
the back garden. (It has its own power socket)

Would it still function if I connected it to an ATA that would obviously
be connected to a router port?

I'm assuming, when the changeover happens our existing BT phone account
would become defunct whatever method used, so  we would still need a new
VOIP account?

BT or third party for the VOIP account?

Thanks
Dave


Nb: I also read something about, disconnecting the old external line in
the old BT Master socket, and plugging the existing house line into the
ATA?

??
Dave

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#5333

Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <5cd75f4273News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
>    Martin <News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <5cd75e3dc2dnews@triffid.co.uk>,
> >    Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> > > I guess I'll lose two Router sockets at the changeover, one for the
> > > Cat5e input and a second one for the new phone connection.
> 
> > Depends.
> > If your router has a dedicated WAN ethernet port, then you will not
> > lose a LAN ethernet port for the incoming cable. But many routers
> > have a port that is used for the WAN, or a LAN connection otherwise,
> > so you would lose an LAN port.
> 
> > If your router has a working and supported phone socket, then it will
> > not need a LAN port. However, some routers (notably Plusnet ones)
> > have a phone socket but it is NOT working as it is not supported by
> > the firmware! If you are using a separate ATA, or phone system that
> > incluses one, then you WILL lose an ethernet LAN port.
> 
> My router is a Draytek Vigor 2765ac
> It has 4 Lan ports and one DSL port that's connected to the house phone
> line.

One important thing to know is that most consumer ISPs (can't speak for
Orpheus) won't let you use their 'digital voice' service with your own
router.  Either you have to use their router, or you can't use their
landline service.  In theory you can use your own phone->ethernet box (the
ATA) with a phone socket, but most won't tell you the necessary login
details to do it.

So either you stick with your ISP and their router, or you move your phone
service to someone more enlightened and have a separate ATA.  I ported my
landline number years ago to Andrews and Arnold, and I pay £1.80 per month
'line rental' then for calls it's 1.5p/min to landlines and 4p/min to
mobiles.  Since I don't make many calls this works out cheaper than paying
my ISP for a phone package.

Theo

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#5334

In article <7Qv*AP9GA@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>,
   Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <5cd75f4273News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
> >    Martin <News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:
> > > In article <5cd75e3dc2dnews@triffid.co.uk>,
> > >    Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > I guess I'll lose two Router sockets at the changeover, one
> > > > for the Cat5e input and a second one for the new phone
> > > > connection.
> > 
> > > Depends. If your router has a dedicated WAN ethernet port, then
> > > you will not lose a LAN ethernet port for the incoming cable.
> > > But many routers have a port that is used for the WAN, or a LAN
> > > connection otherwise, so you would lose an LAN port.
> > 
> > > If your router has a working and supported phone socket, then
> > > it will not need a LAN port. However, some routers (notably
> > > Plusnet ones) have a phone socket but it is NOT working as it
> > > is not supported by the firmware! If you are using a separate
> > > ATA, or phone system that incluses one, then you WILL lose an
> > > ethernet LAN port.
> > 
> > My router is a Draytek Vigor 2765ac It has 4 Lan ports and one
> > DSL port that's connected to the house phone line.

> One important thing to know is that most consumer ISPs (can't speak
> for Orpheus) won't let you use their 'digital voice' service with
> your own router.  Either you have to use their router, or you can't
> use their landline service.  In theory you can use your own
> phone->ethernet box (the ATA) with a phone socket, but most won't
> tell you the necessary login details to do it.

I think that appplies to BT (and therefore EE) routers and their
'digital voice' but are there any others?  AFAIK this because they
are not using standard VIOP, but their own version of it which is
incompatible with standards based systems.  Nicely helps to lock
users in to their services.

An ATA should be able to be plugged in to any router and work with a
standard VOIP service ... unless the router is locked to block such
things.

> So either you stick with your ISP and their router, or you move
> your phone service to someone more enlightened and have a separate
> ATA.  I ported my landline number years ago to Andrews and Arnold,
> and I pay £1.80 per month 'line rental' then for calls it's
> 1.5p/min to landlines and 4p/min to mobiles.  Since I don't make
> many calls this works out cheaper than paying my ISP for a phone
> package.

I intend to use my FritzBox router, connected to Plusnet, and use
Andrews and Arnold like you.

-- 
Martin Avison 
Note that unfortunately this email address will become invalid
without notice if (when) any spam is received. 

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#5335

Martin <News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <7Qv*AP9GA@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>,
>    Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> 
> > One important thing to know is that most consumer ISPs (can't speak
> > for Orpheus) won't let you use their 'digital voice' service with
> > your own router.  Either you have to use their router, or you can't
> > use their landline service.  In theory you can use your own
> > phone->ethernet box (the ATA) with a phone socket, but most won't
> > tell you the necessary login details to do it.
> 
> I think that appplies to BT (and therefore EE) routers and their
> 'digital voice' but are there any others?  AFAIK this because they
> are not using standard VIOP, but their own version of it which is
> incompatible with standards based systems.  Nicely helps to lock
> users in to their services.

I think it's all the big ISPs.  Ones that are clued up like Orpheus, Zen or
IDNet may let you get the credentials.  It seems that a lot of ISPs rent the
VOIP service from Openreach instead of rolling their own and OR don't like
end users getting the SIP login details to configure their own SIP hardware,
even though the OR service is just regular SIP under the bonnet.  Maybe it's
part of the contract the ISPs have with OR to not disclose the login
details.

I know at least Sky and Vodafone don't let you have credentials.  It was
possible to hack them out of the system by talking to their provisioning
server pretending to be the Sky router, but that's very unsupported.

> An ATA should be able to be plugged in to any router and work with a
> standard VOIP service ... unless the router is locked to block such
> things.

Yes, but in most cases that means you have to divorce your number away from
your ISP.  In many cases that's not a bad thing. It becomes a standalone
service that you can pick your provider for, rather than being bundled -
much like people no longer getting their email from their ISP.  But it does
make it more complicated, especially for those who want to keep things
simple like they were before.

Theo

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#5336

In article <5cdca2222eNews04@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
   Martin <News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:
[Snip]
> I think that appplies to BT (and therefore EE) routers and their
> 'digital voice' but are there any others?  AFAIK this because they
> are not using standard VIOP, but their own version of it which is
> incompatible with standards based systems.  Nicely helps to lock
> users in to their services.

> An ATA should be able to be plugged in to any router and work with a
> standard VOIP service ... unless the router is locked to block such
> things.

[Snip]

Theo and Martin wrote notes about this stuff... Of which I only understand
a little... Aaaarrgh!

1) So if I read this correctly, unless I have the BT Hub router, I can't
have a phone service through my own "Draytek Vigor 2765ac" router?

2) As I do not want to use a BT Hub I would need to get a seperate VOIP
third party account?

Thanks for the advice.  :-)
Dave



BTW. Yes Orpheus Internet does have a VOIP service available...

> As Theo wrote:
> But it does
> make it more complicated, especially for those who want to keep things
> simple like they were before.

Indeed, why does it have to be so damn complicated...
D.

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#5337

In article <5cdea7798ednews@triffid.co.uk>,
   Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> Theo and Martin wrote notes about this stuff... Of which I only
> understand a little... Aaaarrgh!

> 1) So if I read this correctly, unless I have the BT Hub router, I can't
> have a phone service through my own "Draytek Vigor 2765ac" router?

> 2) As I do not want to use a BT Hub I would need to get a seperate VOIP
> third party account?

I've been thinking hard about this, and considering how many calls I use
my landline for these days. The answer is - virtually all the calls on my
landline are incoming from telemarketing companies. If I want to make a
call, I invariably use my mobile. So why bother having one at all.

-- 
Stuart Winsor

Tools With A Mission
sending tools across the world
http://www.twam.co.uk/

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#5339

In message <5cdeb0d633Spambin@argonet.co.uk>
          Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <5cdea7798ednews@triffid.co.uk>,
>    Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
>> Theo and Martin wrote notes about this stuff... Of which I only
>> understand a little... Aaaarrgh!

>> 1) So if I read this correctly, unless I have the BT Hub router, I can't
>> have a phone service through my own "Draytek Vigor 2765ac" router?

>> 2) As I do not want to use a BT Hub I would need to get a seperate VOIP
>> third party account?

> I've been thinking hard about this, and considering how many calls I use
> my landline for these days. The answer is - virtually all the calls on my
> landline are incoming from telemarketing companies. If I want to make a
> call, I invariably use my mobile. So why bother having one at all.

When I changed to Full Fibre with PlusNet, I decided to get rid of the 
landline as I was primarily getting 'spam callers'. It was cheaper to use 
my included 'free' minutes with my mobile!

I will probably cover this next week in my talk in the next WROCC meeting.

-- 
Chris Hughes

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#5340

In message <5cdeb0d633Spambin@argonet.co.uk>
          Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <5cdea7798ednews@triffid.co.uk>,
>   Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> > Theo and Martin wrote notes about this stuff... Of which I only
> > understand a little... Aaaarrgh!
> 
> > 1) So if I read this correctly, unless I have the BT Hub router, I can't
> > have a phone service through my own "Draytek Vigor 2765ac" router?
> 
> > 2) As I do not want to use a BT Hub I would need to get a seperate VOIP
> > third party account?
> 
> I've been thinking hard about this, and considering how many calls I use my
> landline for these days. The answer is - virtually all the calls on my
> landline are incoming from telemarketing companies. If I want to make a
> call, I invariably use my mobile. So why bother having one at all.

My wife and I made the same decision, for the same reasons, last year.

David

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#5338

In message <5cdea7798ednews@triffid.co.uk>
          Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <5cdca2222eNews04@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
>    Martin <News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:
> [Snip]
>> I think that appplies to BT (and therefore EE) routers and their
>> 'digital voice' but are there any others?  AFAIK this because they
>> are not using standard VIOP, but their own version of it which is
>> incompatible with standards based systems.  Nicely helps to lock
>> users in to their services.

>> An ATA should be able to be plugged in to any router and work with a
>> standard VOIP service ... unless the router is locked to block such
>> things.

> [Snip]

> Theo and Martin wrote notes about this stuff... Of which I only understand
> a little... Aaaarrgh!

> 1) So if I read this correctly, unless I have the BT Hub router, I can't
> have a phone service through my own "Draytek Vigor 2765ac" router?

Not completely correct.

> 2) As I do not want to use a BT Hub I would need to get a seperate VOIP
> third party account?

Maybe. But it would probably be cheaper and you would have more freedom

> Thanks for the advice.  :-)
> Dave

> BTW. Yes Orpheus Internet does have a VOIP service available...

So you know who to go to then!

I am hopefully covering this next week on Wednesday evening in my WROCC 
talk.




-- 
Chris Hughes

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#5345

In article <06e3b2de5c.chris@mytardis>,
   Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <5cdea7798ednews@triffid.co.uk>
>           Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

[Snip]

> > BTW. Yes Orpheus Internet does have a VOIP service available...

> So you know who to go to then!

Indeed!

> I am hopefully covering this next week on Wednesday evening in my WROCC 
> talk.


Unfortunately Wakefield is (As the crow files) 205 miles North from where
I hang out on the South coast...  :-)

By following the roads 350 to 390 miles.  :-/

Dave

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#5346

In message <5cdef4c6a6dnews@triffid.co.uk>
          Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <06e3b2de5c.chris@mytardis>,
>    Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <5cdea7798ednews@triffid.co.uk>
>>           Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> [Snip]

>>> BTW. Yes Orpheus Internet does have a VOIP service available...

>> So you know who to go to then!

> Indeed!

>> I am hopefully covering this next week on Wednesday evening in my WROCC
>> talk.


> Unfortunately Wakefield is (As the crow files) 205 miles North from where
> I hang out on the South coast...  :-)

> By following the roads 350 to 390 miles.  :-/

Well you could watch on Zoom Live as we do not have any physical meetings 
anymore ever since Covid. The meetings are all recorded and on YouTube.

See our YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@wrocc-riscos




-- 
Chris Hughes

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