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Microsoft - leap day Fail!

Started bySteve Dover <sw0rdf1sh@att.net>
First post2012-03-04 15:57 -0600
Last post2012-03-17 00:44 +0000
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  Microsoft - leap day Fail! Steve Dover <sw0rdf1sh@att.net> - 2012-03-04 15:57 -0600
    Re: Microsoft - leap day Fail! docdwarf@panix.com () - 2012-03-04 22:14 +0000
      Re: Microsoft - leap day Fail! Steve Dover <sw0rdf1sh@att.net> - 2012-03-12 14:33 -0500
        Re: Microsoft - leap day Fail! docdwarf@panix.com () - 2012-03-13 01:32 +0000
          Re: Microsoft - leap day Fail! Dr J R Stockton <reply1211@merlyn.demon.co.uk.not.invalid> - 2012-03-14 21:29 +0000
            Re: Microsoft - leap day Fail! docdwarf@panix.com () - 2012-03-15 01:07 +0000
              Re: Microsoft - leap day Fail! Dr J R Stockton <reply1211@merlyn.demon.co.uk.not.invalid> - 2012-03-16 20:15 +0000
                Re: Microsoft - leap day Fail! docdwarf@panix.com () - 2012-03-17 00:44 +0000

#44 — Microsoft - leap day Fail!

FromSteve Dover <sw0rdf1sh@att.net>
Date2012-03-04 15:57 -0600
SubjectMicrosoft - leap day Fail!
Message-ID<jj0oo5$8r6$1@news.albasani.net>
<http://www.wired.com/cloudline/2012/02/leap-day-azure-outage/>

Unreal.  Here we are 12 years post y2k, and Microsoft
manages to screw up something so simple that a 5th grader
would have no problem dealing with.

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#45

Fromdocdwarf@panix.com ()
Date2012-03-04 22:14 +0000
Message-ID<jj0pfr$q9e$1@reader1.panix.com>
In reply to#44
In article <jj0oo5$8r6$1@news.albasani.net>,
Steve Dover  <sw0rdf1sh@att.net> wrote:
><http://www.wired.com/cloudline/2012/02/leap-day-azure-outage/>
>
>Unreal.  Here we are 12 years post y2k, and Microsoft
>manages to screw up something so simple that a 5th grader
>would have no problem dealing with.

But... it happened in The Cloud.  Everything's supposed to be there 
nowadays, or so I'm told.

DD

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#46

FromSteve Dover <sw0rdf1sh@att.net>
Date2012-03-12 14:33 -0500
Message-ID<jjlj80$ddq$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#45
docdwarf@panix.com wrote:
> In article <jj0oo5$8r6$1@news.albasani.net>,
> Steve Dover  <sw0rdf1sh@att.net> wrote:
>> <http://www.wired.com/cloudline/2012/02/leap-day-azure-outage/>
>>
>> Unreal.  Here we are 12 years post y2k, and Microsoft
>> manages to screw up something so simple that a 5th grader
>> would have no problem dealing with.
> 
> But... it happened in The Cloud.  Everything's supposed to be there 
> nowadays, or so I'm told.
> 
> DD
> 

The word on the screwup:

To add one year to a date,
you just bump the year up by 1.

So, one year from 2012-02-29 is 2013-02-29.

NOT!

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#47

Fromdocdwarf@panix.com ()
Date2012-03-13 01:32 +0000
Message-ID<jjm846$di1$1@reader1.panix.com>
In reply to#46
In article <jjlj80$ddq$1@news.albasani.net>,
Steve Dover  <sw0rdf1sh@att.net> wrote:
>docdwarf@panix.com wrote:
>> In article <jj0oo5$8r6$1@news.albasani.net>,
>> Steve Dover  <sw0rdf1sh@att.net> wrote:
>>> <http://www.wired.com/cloudline/2012/02/leap-day-azure-outage/>
>>>
>>> Unreal.  Here we are 12 years post y2k, and Microsoft
>>> manages to screw up something so simple that a 5th grader
>>> would have no problem dealing with.
>> 
>> But... it happened in The Cloud.  Everything's supposed to be there 
>> nowadays, or so I'm told.
>
>The word on the screwup:
>
>To add one year to a date,
>you just bump the year up by 1.
>
>So, one year from 2012-02-29 is 2013-02-29.
>
>NOT!

Hmmmmmm... reminds me of a time, long ago, when I was working on an 
application and a Corner Office Idiot wanted a look-ahead to six months 
from the day the program was running.

'How long are six months?', I asked.

'What are you talking about?  All ya gotta do is convert the month to a 
number and add six', he sneered.

'That might work for January through June... but what's six months from 
August?', I replied.

He made a face... and I just looked at him.  The guy sitting to his right 
worked his fingers and said 'February'.

'Good!', I encouraged, '... and what's six months from August 29th?'

DD

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#48

FromDr J R Stockton <reply1211@merlyn.demon.co.uk.not.invalid>
Date2012-03-14 21:29 +0000
Message-ID<Nhv8BBNn2QYPFwEN@invalid.uk.co.demon.merlyn.invalid>
In reply to#47
In comp.software.year-2000 message <jjm846$di1$1@reader1.panix.com>,
Tue, 13 Mar 2012 01:32:54, docdwarf@panix.com posted:

>Hmmmmmm... reminds me of a time, long ago, when I was working on an
>application and a Corner Office Idiot wanted a look-ahead to six months
>from the day the program was running.
>
>'How long are six months?', I asked.
>
>'What are you talking about?  All ya gotta do is convert the month to a
>number and add six', he sneered.
>
>'That might work for January through June... but what's six months from
>August?', I replied.


Those might work for you; but over here March has 31 days and September
only 30; likewise May & November (and Oct-Apr).

It's (doubly, I think) worse in Israel.

-- 
 (c) John Stockton, nr London, UK.    ?@merlyn.demon.co.uk     Turnpike v6.05.
 Website  <http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/> - w. FAQish topics, links, acronyms
 PAS EXE etc. : <http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/programs/> - see in 00index.htm
 Dates - miscdate.htm estrdate.htm js-dates.htm pas-time.htm critdate.htm etc.

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#49

Fromdocdwarf@panix.com ()
Date2012-03-15 01:07 +0000
Message-ID<jjrfcp$njt$1@reader1.panix.com>
In reply to#48
In article <Nhv8BBNn2QYPFwEN@invalid.uk.co.demon.merlyn.invalid>,
Dr J R Stockton  <reply1211@merlyn.demon.co.uk.not.invalid> wrote:
>In comp.software.year-2000 message <jjm846$di1$1@reader1.panix.com>,
>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 01:32:54, docdwarf@panix.com posted:

[snip]

>>'How long are six months?', I asked.
>>
>>'What are you talking about?  All ya gotta do is convert the month to a
>>number and add six', he sneered.
>>
>>'That might work for January through June... but what's six months from
>>August?', I replied.
>
>
>Those might work for you; but over here March has 31 days and September
>only 30; likewise May & November (and Oct-Apr).

Were one to have the patience to read the entire posting before responding 
one might, possibly, have seen the possibility of unequal month-length 
addressed.

>
>It's (doubly, I think) worse in Israel.

I believe the calendar used in Israel is a variation of the Babylonian 
one, down to the name of the intercalary month inserted seven times every 
nineteen years.

My beliefs, of course, have changed over the years due to something called 
'learning the facts of the matter'.

DD

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#50

FromDr J R Stockton <reply1211@merlyn.demon.co.uk.not.invalid>
Date2012-03-16 20:15 +0000
Message-ID<PYLsPkN295YPFw23@invalid.uk.co.demon.merlyn.invalid>
In reply to#49
In comp.software.year-2000 message <jjrfcp$njt$1@reader1.panix.com>,
Thu, 15 Mar 2012 01:07:37, docdwarf@panix.com posted:

>In article <Nhv8BBNn2QYPFwEN@invalid.uk.co.demon.merlyn.invalid>,
>Dr J R Stockton  <reply1211@merlyn.demon.co.uk.not.invalid> wrote:
>>In comp.software.year-2000 message <jjm846$di1$1@reader1.panix.com>,
>>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 01:32:54, docdwarf@panix.com posted:
>
>[snip]
>
>>>'How long are six months?', I asked.
>>>
>>>'What are you talking about?  All ya gotta do is convert the month to a
>>>number and add six', he sneered.
>>>
>>>'That might work for January through June... but what's six months from
>>>August?', I replied.
>>
>>
>>Those might work for you; but over here March has 31 days and September
>>only 30; likewise May & November (and Oct-Apr).
>
>Were one to have the patience to read the entire posting before responding
>one might, possibly, have seen the possibility of unequal month-length
>addressed.

That comment addresses your "might work" starting months, January to
June; no more.  I thought it unnecessary to acknowledge that you are not
invariably wrong.

-- 
 (c) John Stockton, nr London, UK.    ?@merlyn.demon.co.uk     Turnpike v6.05.
 Website  <http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/> - w. FAQish topics, links, acronyms
 PAS EXE etc. : <http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/programs/> - see in 00index.htm
 Dates - miscdate.htm estrdate.htm js-dates.htm pas-time.htm critdate.htm etc.

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#51

Fromdocdwarf@panix.com ()
Date2012-03-17 00:44 +0000
Message-ID<jk0mpf$6qs$1@reader1.panix.com>
In reply to#50
In article <PYLsPkN295YPFw23@invalid.uk.co.demon.merlyn.invalid>,
Dr J R Stockton  <reply1211@merlyn.demon.co.uk.not.invalid> wrote:
>In comp.software.year-2000 message <jjrfcp$njt$1@reader1.panix.com>,
>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 01:07:37, docdwarf@panix.com posted:
>
>>In article <Nhv8BBNn2QYPFwEN@invalid.uk.co.demon.merlyn.invalid>,
>>Dr J R Stockton  <reply1211@merlyn.demon.co.uk.not.invalid> wrote:
>>>In comp.software.year-2000 message <jjm846$di1$1@reader1.panix.com>,
>>>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 01:32:54, docdwarf@panix.com posted:
>>
>>[snip]
>>
>>>>'How long are six months?', I asked.
>>>>
>>>>'What are you talking about?  All ya gotta do is convert the month to a
>>>>number and add six', he sneered.
>>>>
>>>>'That might work for January through June... but what's six months from
>>>>August?', I replied.
>>>
>>>
>>>Those might work for you; but over here March has 31 days and September
>>>only 30; likewise May & November (and Oct-Apr).
>>
>>Were one to have the patience to read the entire posting before responding
>>one might, possibly, have seen the possibility of unequal month-length
>>addressed.
>
>That comment addresses your "might work" starting months, January to
>June; no more.

The situation as given might not allow for so clear a cleaving, Dr 
Stockton, as 'January to June' was mentioned in the first half of a 
sentence which contained a slightly deeper case as demonstrated by August.

(It is not uncommon to use a didactic mechanism which begins with simpler 
problems and progresses to the more complex.

>I thought it unnecessary to acknowledge that you are not
>invariably wrong.

Were that to have been done, Dr Stockton, it might have been seen as being 
worth double... nay, triple the amount of renumeration which we'd 
previously agreed on.

DD

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