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  The Asian Advantage rami18 <coco@coco.com> - 2017-07-20 13:16 -0400
    Re: The Asian Advantage Mark Storkamp <mstorkamp@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-20 12:32 -0500
      Re: The Asian Advantage Ed Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-22 19:58 -0700
    Re: The Asian Advantage Ed Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-22 19:54 -0700

#7930 — The Asian Advantage

Hello...


Read this:

The Asian Advantage:

"Richard Nisbett, a professor of psychology who has written an excellent 
book about intelligence, cites a study that followed a pool of 
Chinese-American children and a pool of white children into adulthood. 
The two groups started out with the same scores on I.Q. tests, but in 
the end 55 percent of the Asian-Americans entered high-status 
occupations, compared with one-third of the whites. To succeed as a 
manager, whites needed an I.Q. of 100, while Chinese-Americans needed an 
I.Q. of only 93.

So the Asian advantage, Nisbett argues, isn’t intellectual firepower as 
such, but how it is harnessed.

Some disagree, but I’m pretty sure that one factor is East Asia’s long 
Confucian emphasis on education. Likewise, a focus on education also 
helps explain the success of Jews, who are said to have had universal 
male literacy 1,700 years before any other group."


Read more here:

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/11/opinion/sunday/the-asian-advantage.html



Thank you,
Amine Moulay Ramdane.

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#7931

In article <okqoad$len$9@dont-email.me>, rami18 <coco@coco.com> wrote:

> Hello...
> 
> 
> Read this:
> 
> The Asian Advantage:
> 
> "Richard Nisbett, a professor of psychology who has written an excellent 
> book about intelligence, cites a study that followed a pool of 
> Chinese-American children and a pool of white children into adulthood. 
> The two groups started out with the same scores on I.Q. tests, but in 
> the end 55 percent of the Asian-Americans entered high-status 
> occupations, compared with one-third of the whites. To succeed as a 
> manager, whites needed an I.Q. of 100, while Chinese-Americans needed an 
> I.Q. of only 93.
> 
> So the Asian advantage, Nisbett argues, isn’t intellectual firepower as 
> such, but how it is harnessed.

Or quotas.

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#7935

On Thursday, July 20, 2017 at 1:32:43 PM UTC-4, Mark Storkamp wrote:
> In article <okqoad$len$9@dont-email.me>, rami18 <coco@coco.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hello...
[]
> > 
> > So the Asian advantage, Nisbett argues, isn’t intellectual firepower as 
> > such, but how it is harnessed.
> 
> Or quotas.

Sorry, Mark, but that's BS.

Are you just afraid of competing, let's say in a bigger league?

Enjoy,
  ed

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#7934

On Thursday, July 20, 2017 at 1:16:47 PM UTC-4, rami18 wrote:
> Hello...
> 
> 
> Read this:
> 
> The Asian Advantage:
> 
> "Richard Nisbett, a professor of psychology who has written an excellent 
> book about intelligence, cites a study that followed a pool of 
> Chinese-American children and a pool of white children into adulthood. 
> The two groups started out with the same scores on I.Q. tests, but in 
> the end 55 percent of the Asian-Americans entered high-status 
> occupations, compared with one-third of the whites. To succeed as a 
> manager, whites needed an I.Q. of 100, while Chinese-Americans needed an 
> I.Q. of only 93.
> 
> So the Asian advantage, Nisbett argues, isn’t intellectual firepower as 
> such, but how it is harnessed.
> 
> Some disagree, but I’m pretty sure that one factor is East Asia’s long 
> Confucian emphasis on education. Likewise, a focus on education also 
> helps explain the success of Jews, who are said to have had universal 
> male literacy 1,700 years before any other group."
> 
> 
> Read more here:
> 
> https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/11/opinion/sunday/the-asian-advantage.html
> 

Not really a topic for a programming group, but here are
a couple thoughts:

Is that difference in IQ statistically significant?
It is known that there are cultural biases in IQ tests.

Also, I would not call it "Asian Advantage" since the
study was specifically of Chinese-American children.
There are many other asian countries and cultures.

Lastly, based on experience, immigrants from China are
a very selective pool. China is loosening its emigration
rules, but essentially mainly the best of the best
make it to the USA. Intelligence, motivation, driven
parents, and yes an educational culture all contribute
to the success of these children.

This seems to be in the context of why don't Blacks
have similar success. For Chinese-American children
the author, Nicholas Kristof, points to this:
"Some disagree, but I’m pretty sure that one factor
 is East Asia’s long Confucian emphasis on education."
[again he confuses Chinese with other Asian cultures]

Same paragraph continues:
"Likewise, a focus on education also helps explain the
 success of Jews, who are said to have had universal
 male literacy 1,700 years before any other group."

Since this article is apparently in the context of
racial inequality in America, lets consider black culture.
In the American continent, Black culture began with
a slave culture for about 200 years. Then for another
100 years or so was the "Jim Crow" culture. Even after
the civil rights advances of the 1960's, a part of white
culture continues to denigrate blacks. So in that context,
do you really expect black Americans to succeed at the
same rates as new immigrants?

Amine, I am not sure of your motivations for posting this
article. I hope it was just to add posting fodder to an old
(maybe dying) newsgroup. (You did get my response.)

So unless you can show some reason this fits into
comp.programming, I am hoping this thread dies soon.

Ed

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