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  VSE2013: How to reduce exefile-size ? ha <Henry_Albrecht@Safe-mail.net> - 2016-03-05 01:52 +0100
    Re: VSE2013: How to reduce exefile-size ? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 05:02 -0800
    Re: VSE2013: How to reduce exefile-size ? JJ <jj4public@vfemail.net> - 2016-03-06 18:04 +0700
      Re: VSE2013: How to reduce exefile-size ? ha <Henry_Albrecht@Safe-mail.net> - 2016-03-07 18:48 +0100
    Re: VSE2013: How to reduce exefile-size ? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-03-08 12:14 +0000
      Re: VSE2013: How to reduce exefile-size ? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2016-03-08 13:29 -0800
    Re: VSE2013: How to reduce exefile-size ? ha <Henry_Albrecht@Safe-mail.net> - 2016-03-09 07:51 +0100
      Re: VSE2013: How to reduce exefile-size ? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2016-03-09 13:34 -0800
        Re: VSE2013: How to reduce exefile-size ? ha <Henry_Albrecht@Safe-mail.net> - 2016-03-10 00:07 +0100
          Re: VSE2013: How to reduce exefile-size ? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2016-03-09 15:25 -0800
            Re: VSE2013: How to reduce exefile-size ? ha <Henry_Albrecht@Safe-mail.net> - 2016-03-10 01:02 +0100
              Re: VSE2013: How to reduce exefile-size ? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2016-03-10 07:47 -0800
          Re: VSE2013: How to reduce exefile-size ? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-03-09 23:25 +0000

#6295 — VSE2013: How to reduce exefile-size ?

Hi

My programming language is c and cpp.

The system is Win7 Ultimate 64 Bit.


I am working with VisualStudioExpress 2013 and OpenWatcom.


The same sourcefile results with watcom in a much more smaller exefile-size
than VSE.

Is there a sort of "strip"-option, like "-s" in the gnu-compiler, for VSE ?

I tried all things, that are available via the VSE-GUI. But without success.

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#6296

W dniu sobota, 5 marca 2016 01:52:35 UTC+1 użytkownik ha napisał:
> Hi
> 
> My programming language is c and cpp.
> 
> The system is Win7 Ultimate 64 Bit.
> 
> 
> I am working with VisualStudioExpress 2013 and OpenWatcom.
> 
> 
> The same sourcefile results with watcom in a much more smaller exefile-size
> than VSE.
> 
> Is there a sort of "strip"-option, like "-s" in the gnu-compiler, for VSE ?
> 
> I tried all things, that are available via the VSE-GUI. But without success.

for sure it is\it must be compile for size\strip debug symbols\strip some startup code - those things, im not using VS at all so i cant answer directly which switches

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#6297

On Sat, 5 Mar 2016 01:52:31 +0100, ha wrote:
> Hi
> 
> My programming language is c and cpp.
> 
> The system is Win7 Ultimate 64 Bit.
> 
> I am working with VisualStudioExpress 2013 and OpenWatcom.
> 
> The same sourcefile results with watcom in a much more smaller exefile-size
> than VSE.
> 
> Is there a sort of "strip"-option, like "-s" in the gnu-compiler, for VSE ?
> 
> I tried all things, that are available via the VSE-GUI. But without success.

If you're using a third party library, perhaps you've chosen the wrong one.
i.e. designed for an all-in-one solution library although you actually need
only a few functions/features of it.

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#6304

JJ <jj4public@vfemail.net> schrieb:


> If you're using a third party library, perhaps you've chosen the wrong one.
> i.e. designed for an all-in-one solution library although you actually need
> only a few functions/features of it.


No, I am using the default-configuration. It only links
the needed stuff.

 

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#6307

On 05/03/2016 00:52, ha wrote:
> Hi
>
> My programming language is c and cpp.
>
> The system is Win7 Ultimate 64 Bit.
>
>
> I am working with VisualStudioExpress 2013 and OpenWatcom.
>
>
> The same sourcefile results with watcom in a much more smaller exefile-size
> than VSE.

How much smaller? Some compilers can just generate smaller code than others.

> Is there a sort of "strip"-option, like "-s" in the gnu-compiler, for VSE ?
>
> I tried all things, that are available via the VSE-GUI. But without success.

Try a utility such as PEDUMP or DUMPPE to look inside the executables, 
and see what one includes that the other doesn't.

Maybe one statically includes a library, but the other only links to it 
dynamically.

-- 
Bartc

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#6308

W dniu wtorek, 8 marca 2016 13:14:58 UTC+1 użytkownik Bart napisał:
> On 05/03/2016 00:52, ha wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > My programming language is c and cpp.
> >
> > The system is Win7 Ultimate 64 Bit.
> >
> >
> > I am working with VisualStudioExpress 2013 and OpenWatcom.
> >
> >
> > The same sourcefile results with watcom in a much more smaller exefile-size
> > than VSE.
> 
> How much smaller? Some compilers can just generate smaller code than others.
> 
> > Is there a sort of "strip"-option, like "-s" in the gnu-compiler, for VSE ?
> >
> > I tried all things, that are available via the VSE-GUI. But without success.
> 
> Try a utility such as PEDUMP or DUMPPE to look inside the executables, 
> and see what one includes that the other doesn't.
> 
> Maybe one statically includes a library, but the other only links to it 
> dynamically.
> 
small halloworld exe should be afair of the size of 5kB or 10kB, stripped one (crt startup removed) more like 1KB

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#6310

Thank you all, for answering


I forgot to say, that I disabled the c-runtime-lib in VSE.

*With* the CRT the resulted filesizes are even better than the ones, created
with watcom.


But I don't want to use the CRT in every case.

So the vse-sizes are more than almost three times big as the watcom-sizes.

Maybe, by switching off the crt, VSE uses without any cleverness all possible stuff,
so that the answer from "jj" gives the hint.

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#6313

W dniu środa, 9 marca 2016 07:51:22 UTC+1 użytkownik ha napisał:
> Thank you all, for answering
> 
> 
> I forgot to say, that I disabled the c-runtime-lib in VSE.
> 
> *With* the CRT the resulted filesizes are even better than the ones, created
> with watcom.
> 
> 
> But I don't want to use the CRT in every case.
> 
> So the vse-sizes are more than almost three times big as the watcom-sizes.
> 
> Maybe, by switching off the crt, VSE uses without any cleverness all possible stuff,
> so that the answer from "jj" gives the hint.

and what are the sizes (wit and without?)
i may say your post sound a bit lunatic;
for exampel are you sure that programming without crt is so easy (im not sure but does not most of things need that?)

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#6316

fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> schrieb:


>> Maybe, by switching off the crt, VSE uses without any cleverness all possible stuff,
>> so that the answer from "jj" gives the hint.
> 
> and what are the sizes (wit and without?)
> i may say your post sound a bit lunatic;

lunatic?

> for exampel are you sure that programming without crt is so easy (im not sure but does not most of things need that?)
 
You can choose. If you switch off crt, the linker will add the needed things automatically.

I fear, you have no idea, what crt means ?  And so you say, my question is
lunatic?

on every machine, where an program which is set to "use crt" is used, you have to install that crt.

Without that, the program runs on every machine, whether it has crt installed or not.

keyword: Visual C++ Redistributable Packages für Visual Studio 2013 

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#6317

W dniu czwartek, 10 marca 2016 00:07:05 UTC+1 użytkownik ha napisał:
> fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> schrieb:
> 
> 
> >> Maybe, by switching off the crt, VSE uses without any cleverness all possible stuff,
> >> so that the answer from "jj" gives the hint.
> > 
> > and what are the sizes (wit and without?)
> > i may say your post sound a bit lunatic;
> 
> lunatic?
> 
> > for exampel are you sure that programming without crt is so easy (im not sure but does not most of things need that?)
>  
> You can choose. If you switch off crt, the linker will add the needed things automatically.
> 
> I fear, you have no idea, what crt means ?  And so you say, my question is
> lunatic?
> 
> on every machine, where an program which is set to "use crt" is used, you have to install that crt.
> 
> Without that, the program runs on every machine, whether it has crt installed or not.
> 
> keyword: Visual C++ Redistributable Packages für Visual Studio 2013

i think we both are talking of msvcrt.dll (or equivalent)
but you seem to talking about static linking of such crt
as 'disabling' crt - which (if so) is confusing and thus not 
proper i think

by switching-off/removing/disabling crt i personally mean 
removing the crt from the exe (in gcc like -nostdlib is doing 
that, c coding without that may be a bit harder (though probably not so much anyway))

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#6319

fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> schrieb:


>> keyword: Visual C++ Redistributable Packages für Visual Studio 2013
> 
> i think we both are talking of msvcrt.dll (or equivalent)
> but you seem to talking about static linking of such crt
> as 'disabling' crt - which (if so) is confusing and thus not 
> proper i think

You can create your program in two ways: 

    link with static runtime libs.
    Use either the /MT or the /MTd option to cl.exe. In this case, you will have no dependency on the msvcrt DLL, and therefore you will   
    not have to redistribute it. In Visual Studio, right click on the Project or Solution, Properties > C/C++->Code Generation->Runtime  
    library use Multithreaded and Multithreaded debug respectively. This is the easier way. The downside is that the resulting executable 
    is larger.

    link with the dynamic C Runtime library.
    You will use either the /MD or the /MDd option to cl.exe.
    In Visual Studio, right click on the Project or Solution, Properties > C/C++->Code Generation->Runtime library use Multithreaded 
    Dynamic Link and Multithreaded Dynamic Link debug respectively. This results in a smaller EXE, but the downside is that you must 
    install the required MSVCRT when installing your application.


This is from this site:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1073509/should-i-redistribute-msvcrt-dll-with-my-application

So this is, what I am talking about.


> by switching-off/removing/disabling crt i personally mean 
> removing the crt from the exe (in gcc like -nostdlib is doing 
> that, c coding without that may be a bit harder (though probably not so much anyway))


The sourcecode is the same.

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#6320

W dniu czwartek, 10 marca 2016 01:02:13 UTC+1 użytkownik ha napisał:
> fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> schrieb:
> 
> 
> >> keyword: Visual C++ Redistributable Packages für Visual Studio 2013
> > 
> > i think we both are talking of msvcrt.dll (or equivalent)
> > but you seem to talking about static linking of such crt
> > as 'disabling' crt - which (if so) is confusing and thus not 
> > proper i think
> 
> You can create your program in two ways: 
> 
>     link with static runtime libs.
>     Use either the /MT or the /MTd option to cl.exe. In this case, you will have no dependency on the msvcrt DLL, and therefore you will   
>     not have to redistribute it. In Visual Studio, right click on the Project or Solution, Properties > C/C++->Code Generation->Runtime  
>     library use Multithreaded and Multithreaded debug respectively. This is the easier way. The downside is that the resulting executable 
>     is larger.
> 
>     link with the dynamic C Runtime library.
>     You will use either the /MD or the /MDd option to cl.exe.
>     In Visual Studio, right click on the Project or Solution, Properties > C/C++->Code Generation->Runtime library use Multithreaded 
>     Dynamic Link and Multithreaded Dynamic Link debug respectively. This results in a smaller EXE, but the downside is that you must 
>     install the required MSVCRT when installing your application.
> 
> 
> This is from this site:
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1073509/should-i-redistribute-msvcrt-dll-with-my-application
> 
> So this is, what I am talking about.
> 
> 
> > by switching-off/removing/disabling crt i personally mean 
> > removing the crt from the exe (in gcc like -nostdlib is doing 
> > that, c coding without that may be a bit harder (though probably not so much anyway))
> 
> 
> The sourcecode is the same.

alrright, the source of confusion ws you used unusul/wrong naming, now its ok

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#6318

On 09/03/16 23:07, ha wrote:
> fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> schrieb:
>
>
>>> Maybe, by switching off the crt, VSE uses without any cleverness all possible stuff,
>>> so that the answer from "jj" gives the hint.
>>
>> and what are the sizes (wit and without?)
>> i may say your post sound a bit lunatic;
>
> lunatic?

Pay him no mind. There's at least one like him in every newsgroup.

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
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