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Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly

Started byMok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de>
First post2015-09-01 13:09 +0200
Last post2015-09-02 02:22 -0500
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  Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> - 2015-09-01 13:09 +0200
    Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2015-09-01 14:23 +0000
      Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> - 2015-09-01 20:00 +0200
        Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2015-09-01 18:43 +0000
          Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> - 2015-09-02 10:48 +0200
            Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2015-09-02 13:00 +0000
              Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> - 2015-09-02 22:50 +0200
                Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2015-09-02 21:31 +0000
                  Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> - 2015-09-02 23:46 +0200
                    Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2015-09-02 21:58 +0000
                      Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> - 2015-09-03 00:13 +0200
                        Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2015-09-03 00:32 +0000
                          Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> - 2015-09-03 02:47 +0200
                Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-02 16:52 -0500
                  Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> - 2015-09-03 00:03 +0200
                    Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-02 17:18 -0500
                      Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> - 2015-09-03 00:28 +0200
                        Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-02 17:52 -0500
                          Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly bartekltg <bartek@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 01:04 +0200
                            Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-02 18:29 -0500
                          Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> - 2015-09-03 01:04 +0200
                            Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-02 18:25 -0500
                              Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> - 2015-09-03 01:33 +0200
                                Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-02 18:53 -0500
                                  Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> - 2015-09-03 02:16 +0200
                                    Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> - 2015-09-03 02:18 +0200
                                    Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly bartekltg <bartek@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 02:33 +0200
                                      Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> - 2015-09-03 02:42 +0200
                                        Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly bartekltg <bartek@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 02:55 +0200
                                          Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> - 2015-09-03 03:03 +0200
                                            Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly bartekltg <bartek@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 03:14 +0200
                                              Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> - 2015-09-03 03:17 +0200
                                                Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly bartekltg <bartek@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 03:30 +0200
                                                  Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> - 2015-09-03 03:36 +0200
                                                    Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly bartekltg <bartek@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 04:13 +0200
                                                      Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> - 2015-09-03 04:19 +0200
                                                        Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly bartekltg <bartek@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 04:32 +0200
                                    Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-02 22:51 -0500
                                      Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> - 2015-09-03 16:51 +0200
                                        Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-03 10:49 -0500
                                          Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> - 2015-09-04 19:47 +0200
                                            Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-04 13:42 -0500
                                              Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> - 2015-09-04 21:50 +0200
                                                Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2015-09-04 20:33 +0000
                                                  Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> - 2015-09-04 23:45 +0200
                                                    Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly bartekltg <bartek@gmail.com> - 2015-09-05 01:24 +0200
                                                Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-07 00:50 -0500
                                                  Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> - 2015-09-07 14:14 +0200
                                                    Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly bartekltg <bartek@gmail.com> - 2015-09-07 15:57 +0200
                                                    Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-07 12:19 -0500
                                                      Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> - 2015-09-08 23:47 +0200
                                                        Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly bartekltg <bartek@gmail.com> - 2015-09-09 02:28 +0200
                                            Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2015-09-04 20:23 +0000
                                            Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly bartekltg <bartek@gmail.com> - 2015-09-05 00:55 +0200
                                              Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly "Chris M. Thomasson" <nospam@nospam.nospam> - 2015-09-04 17:11 -0700
                                                Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly bartekltg <bartek@gmail.com> - 2015-09-05 02:31 +0200
                                                  Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly "Chris M. Thomasson" <nospam@nospam.nospam> - 2015-09-04 20:15 -0700
                    Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly bartekltg <bartek@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 00:35 +0200
                      Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly bartekltg <bartek@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 00:42 +0200
                      Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> - 2015-09-03 00:46 +0200
                        Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly bartekltg <bartek@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 00:54 +0200
                          Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> - 2015-09-03 01:11 +0200
                            Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly bartekltg <bartek@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 01:21 +0200
                              Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> - 2015-09-03 01:28 +0200
                                Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly bartekltg <bartek@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 02:01 +0200
                                  Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> - 2015-09-03 02:22 +0200
                                    Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly bartekltg <bartek@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 02:51 +0200
                                      Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> - 2015-09-03 02:57 +0200
                                        Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly bartekltg <bartek@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 03:08 +0200
                                          Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> - 2015-09-03 03:31 +0200
                                            Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly bartekltg <bartek@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 03:45 +0200
                                              Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> - 2015-09-03 03:54 +0200
                                                Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly bartekltg <bartek@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 04:18 +0200
                                                  Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> - 2015-09-03 04:24 +0200
                                                    Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2015-09-03 07:23 +0200
            Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-02 16:14 -0500
              Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> - 2015-09-02 23:23 +0200
                Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2015-09-02 21:33 +0000
                  Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> - 2015-09-02 23:54 +0200
            Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly bartekltg <bartek@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 23:22 +0200
              Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> - 2015-09-02 23:32 +0200
                Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly bartekltg <bartek@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 00:22 +0200
    Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly "Chris M. Thomasson" <nospam@nospam.nospam> - 2015-09-01 13:23 -0700
      Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> - 2015-09-02 11:04 +0200
    Re: Researches in quantum computing seem to progress only extremely slowly Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-02 02:22 -0500

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#5733

FromMok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de>
Date2015-09-02 23:32 +0200
Message-ID<ms7pu2$n9h$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#5730
Am 02.09.2015 um 23:22 schrieb bartekltg:
> On 02.09.2015 10:48, Mok-Kong Shen wrote:
>>
>> In my code PROVABLEPRIME
>> (http://s13.zetaboards.com/Crypto/topic/7234475/1/) there is no seed
>> to be input by the user at all. When the Python session starts, the
>> system employs the current time to seed its built-in PRNG. So each
>> time one uses the code to e.g. generate RSA keys, one gets a different
>> pair by chance.
>
> This is not safe.
> For cryptography use
> random.SystemRandom
> or
> os.urandom(n)
> in python;
> std::random_device from <random>
> in c++

Actually I mentioned in my software how the user could simply modify
the code to employ Python's random.SystemRandom(). On the other hand,
the entropy issue is currently yet being discussed, see my post of
22:50.

M. K. Shen

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#5742

Frombartekltg <bartek@gmail.com>
Date2015-09-03 00:22 +0200
Message-ID<ms7srv$h8d$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#5733
On 02.09.2015 23:32, Mok-Kong Shen wrote:
> Am 02.09.2015 um 23:22 schrieb bartekltg:
>> On 02.09.2015 10:48, Mok-Kong Shen wrote:
>>>
>>> In my code PROVABLEPRIME
>>> (http://s13.zetaboards.com/Crypto/topic/7234475/1/) there is no seed
>>> to be input by the user at all. When the Python session starts, the
>>> system employs the current time to seed its built-in PRNG. So each
>>> time one uses the code to e.g. generate RSA keys, one gets a different
>>> pair by chance.
>>
>> This is not safe.
>> For cryptography use
>> random.SystemRandom
>> or
>> os.urandom(n)
>> in python;
>> std::random_device from <random>
>> in c++
>
> Actually I mentioned in my software how the user could simply modify
> the code to employ Python's random.SystemRandom(). On the other hand,
> the entropy issue is currently yet being discussed, see my post of
> 22:50.

You cant think about this not as entropy (dealing with entropy in
information theory can be hard
http://www.statslab.cam.ac.uk/biid2013/slides/EntropyZoo.pdf ;-))
but how many resources I have to invest to decode your cipher.

Your program generate two primes p,q someone (A) can use to
cryptography.
Lets say the seed have 128bits. This is 3.4*10^38 different
combination. A lot.
If the seed is generated based only on time, and I (B) know
that A send his message yeasterday, 10:30 pm I can assume
he generated the code between 8 pm and 10:30pm.

Seed is based on time in seconds? Miliseconds? microseconds?
2.5 hourr times 3600 seconds in hours times 10^6 us in seconds
is 9 000 000 000 us. Only 9 bilions of different seeds, 9 billions
of different p,q from your program.

I just need your program and chende the seed to my function,
witch generate all seed for this time interwal. I'm pretty sure
the code of it is open source.

So I can decode the message in no time.


But your are lucky:

https://docs.python.org/2/library/random.html#random.seed
random.seed([x])
Initialize the basic random number generator. Optional argument x can be 
any hashable object. If x is omitted or None, current system time is 
used; current system time is also used to initialize the generator when 
the module is first imported. ***If randomness sources are provided by 
the operating system, they are used instead of the system time (see the 
os.urandom() function for details on availability).***

bartekltg




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#5689

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <nospam@nospam.nospam>
Date2015-09-01 13:23 -0700
Message-ID<ms51fc$vtf$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#5683
> "Mok-Kong Shen"  wrote in message news:ms4114$nal$2@news.albasani.net...


> http://www.theplatform.net/2015/07/22/google-sees-long-expensive-road-ahead-for-quantum-computing/

> The article doesn't seem to be much more optimistic than reports on
> other well-known currently running big projects of physics, e.g.
> nuclear fusion.

AFAICT, the following project has some promise:

http://www.dwavesys.com 

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#5706

FromMok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de>
Date2015-09-02 11:04 +0200
Message-ID<ms6e3f$82v$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#5689
Am 01.09.2015 um 22:23 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson:
>> "Mok-Kong Shen"  wrote in message news:ms4114$nal$2@news.albasani.net...
>
>
>> http://www.theplatform.net/2015/07/22/google-sees-long-expensive-road-ahead-for-quantum-computing/
>>
>
>> The article doesn't seem to be much more optimistic than reports on
>> other well-known currently running big projects of physics, e.g.
>> nuclear fusion.
>
> AFAICT, the following project has some promise:
>
> http://www.dwavesys.com

Google has a machine from D-Wave. The mention of it in the given
link isn't very clear (positive? negative?) in my understanding.

M. K. Shen

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#5703

FromRobert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com>
Date2015-09-02 02:22 -0500
Message-ID<jf8duadsqe3q7vjmead6gsid569gir8kfh@4ax.com>
In reply to#5683
On Tue, 1 Sep 2015 13:09:25 +0200, Mok-Kong Shen
<mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> wrote:

>
>http://www.theplatform.net/2015/07/22/google-sees-long-expensive-road-ahead-for-quantum-computing/
>
>The article doesn't seem to be much more optimistic than reports on
>other well-known currently running big projects of physics, e.g.
>nuclear fusion.
>
>This means that there is in the foreseeable future no danger of the
>currently used asymmetric encryption schemes being broken by quantum
>computers and one could consequently concentrate one's efforts in
>attempting to improve the practical security of these schemes, e.g.
>in authentication of the public keys and in prevention of eventually
>possible backdoors being implanted in the software or hardware involved.


Even if significant progress in quantum computing does occur, a number
of public key algorithms, for example the lattice-based schemes, are
known not to be vulnerable to quantum computing (or at least not any
more than to conventional computing).

As for private key algorithms, most of those will not be hit worse
than halving their effective key length by quantum algorithms, so
AES-256 should be fine (although it would be no stronger than AES-128
is now).

IOW, should quantum computing actually become practical, cryptographic
implementations will need some updates, but it will hardly be the end
of the world.  Especially since we'll likely have considerable advance
notice as quantum machines start to grow large enough to be
meaningful.

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