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| Started by | "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2018-03-20 19:53 +0800 |
| Last post | 2018-03-24 05:12 +0200 |
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Self-driving Uber kills Arizona woman in first fatal crash involving pedestrian "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2018-03-20 19:53 +0800
Re: Self-driving Uber kills Arizona woman in first fatal crash involving pedestrian Unsteadyken <unsteadyken@gmail.com> - 2018-03-20 13:20 +0000
Re: Self-driving Uber kills Arizona woman in first fatal crash involving pedestrian Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2018-03-20 13:47 +0000
Re: Self-driving Uber kills Arizona woman in first fatal crash involving pedestrian "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2018-03-20 22:24 +0800
Re: Self-driving Uber kills Arizona woman in first fatal crash involving pedestrian Big Al <Big_Al@invalid.com> - 2018-03-20 10:26 -0400
Re: Self-driving Uber kills Arizona woman in first fatal crash involving pedestrian Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-03-20 11:24 -0400
Re: Self-driving Uber kills Arizona woman in first fatal crash involving pedestrian "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2018-03-20 23:48 +0800
Re: Self-driving Uber kills Arizona woman in first fatal crash involving pedestrian Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-03-20 15:41 -0400
Re: Self-driving Uber kills Arizona woman in first fatal crash involving pedestrian scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-03-20 19:47 +0000
Re: Self-driving Uber kills Arizona woman in first fatal crash involving pedestrian Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-03-20 09:51 -0700
Re: Self-driving Uber kills Arizona woman in first fatal crash involving pedestrian "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-03-20 19:10 +0000
Re: Self-driving Uber kills Arizona woman in first fatal crash involving pedestrian Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-03-20 15:46 -0400
Re: Self-driving Uber kills Arizona woman in first fatal crash involving pedestrian Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-03-21 09:56 -0700
Re: Self-driving Uber kills Arizona woman in first fatal crash involving pedestrian Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-03-21 13:24 -0400
Re: Self-driving Uber kills Arizona woman in first fatal crash involving pedestrian Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-03-21 16:17 -0700
Re: Self-driving Uber kills Arizona woman in first fatal crash involving pedestrian Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-03-21 19:49 -0400
Re: Self-driving Uber kills Arizona woman in first fatal crash involving pedestrian Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-03-22 11:52 -0700
Re: Self-driving Uber kills Arizona woman in first fatal crash involving pedestrian Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-03-22 22:05 -0400
Re: Self-driving Uber kills Arizona woman in first fatal crash involving pedestrian Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-03-21 10:21 -0700
Re: Self-driving Uber kills Arizona woman in first fatal crash involving pedestrian gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-03-21 21:39 +0000
Re: Self-driving Uber kills Arizona woman in first fatal crash involving pedestrian Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-03-21 20:13 -0400
Re: Self-driving Uber kills Arizona woman in first fatal crash involving pedestrian Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-23 18:06 +0000
Re: Self-driving Uber kills Arizona woman in first fatal crash involving pedestrian Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2018-03-24 05:12 +0200
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| From | Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> |
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| Date | 2018-03-21 20:13 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <9zCsC.33902$177.4533@fx41.iad> |
| In reply to | #8526 |
On 2018-03-21 17:39, Kenny McCormack wrote: > In article <lnsh8tpcnl.fsf@kst-u.example.com>, > Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> wrote: >> "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> writes: >> [...] >>> Self-driving Uber >> [...] >> >> If you want to discuss this, please drop all the irrelevant newsgroups, >> particularly comp.lang.c. Don't feed the troll. > > How/why would I want to do that, assuming both of the following are true: > > 1) I want to discuss this. > > 2) CLC is the only relevant (I trust it is clear what I mean by > relevant) newsgroup that I follow/monitor/post-to. > > Really, Kiks, you need to think these things through. The fact that a lot of people still believe that one can program AI should be enough IMO to make the topic relevant to comp.programming. You can write a program to play a game, but you can't program it to play better than a human. To do that you'd not only have to play better than a human, but understand howcome you can play better. However, you can program a neural net to play lots of go games against itself, and learn from them. That's how the Go-AI (sorry, I forget the details of who/what/when/where/why) was able to beat the best human Go players. You can program an AI to always win or draw a game with a completely defined winning strategy, such as for tic-tac-toe or nim. There's no such strategy for Chess or Go. Nor for driving a car. However, I have no doubt that driver-AIs can be trained to handle novel situations at least as well as the best humans can. How soon? That I won't even try to estimate. But even the best human drivers will vary in their ability to handle any given novel situation. So my claim is rather vague. OTOH, driver-assisting tech will I think become better and better, so that drivers will come to rely on it. That will deskill drivers. Eg, I've lost my ability to maintain constant speed since I started using cruise control. Before that, I could keep the car within +/- 2km/hr uphill and down. -- Wolf K kirkwood40.blogspot.com "The next conference for the time travel design team will be held two weeks ago."
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| From | Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-23 18:06 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p93fnq$1n6$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #8494 |
Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote: > On 20/3/2018 01:05, Scott Lurndal wrote: >> >> Garbage in, garbage out. >> > > Self-driving Uber kills Arizona woman in first fatal crash involving > pedestrian > > <https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/mar/19/uber-self-driving-car-kills-woman-arizona-tempe> What has this, you vile mother-fucking syphilitic cunt, got to do with any of comp.lang.c, comp.programming, alt.comp.freeware, alt.conspiracy, alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.windows7.general? > >
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| From | Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> |
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| Date | 2018-03-24 05:12 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <sdgbbdp0se55f2mgso7r3h3e809snp29js@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #8494 |
On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 19:53:13 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote: >On 20/3/2018 01:05, Scott Lurndal wrote: >> >> Garbage in, garbage out. >> > >Self-driving Uber kills Arizona woman in first fatal crash involving >pedestrian Was it running Windows 7? -- Steve Hayes http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm http://khanya.wordpress.com
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