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Self-driving Uber kills Arizona woman in first fatal crash involving pedestrian

Started by"Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com>
First post2018-03-20 19:53 +0800
Last post2018-03-24 05:12 +0200
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  Self-driving Uber kills Arizona woman in first fatal crash involving pedestrian "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2018-03-20 19:53 +0800
    Re: Self-driving Uber kills Arizona woman in first fatal crash involving   pedestrian Unsteadyken <unsteadyken@gmail.com> - 2018-03-20 13:20 +0000
      Re: Self-driving Uber kills Arizona woman in first fatal crash involving pedestrian Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2018-03-20 13:47 +0000
      Re: Self-driving Uber kills Arizona woman in first fatal crash involving pedestrian "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2018-03-20 22:24 +0800
      Re: Self-driving Uber kills Arizona woman in first fatal crash involving pedestrian Big Al <Big_Al@invalid.com> - 2018-03-20 10:26 -0400
      Re: Self-driving Uber kills Arizona woman in first fatal crash involving pedestrian Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-03-20 11:24 -0400
        Re: Self-driving Uber kills Arizona woman in first fatal crash involving pedestrian "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2018-03-20 23:48 +0800
          Re: Self-driving Uber kills Arizona woman in first fatal crash involving pedestrian Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-03-20 15:41 -0400
            Re: Self-driving Uber kills Arizona woman in first fatal crash involving pedestrian scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-03-20 19:47 +0000
      Re: Self-driving Uber kills Arizona woman in first fatal crash involving   pedestrian Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-03-20 09:51 -0700
        Re: Self-driving Uber kills Arizona woman in first fatal crash involving   pedestrian "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-03-20 19:10 +0000
        Re: Self-driving Uber kills Arizona woman in first fatal crash involving pedestrian Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-03-20 15:46 -0400
          Re: Self-driving Uber kills Arizona woman in first fatal crash involving pedestrian Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-03-21 09:56 -0700
            Re: Self-driving Uber kills Arizona woman in first fatal crash involving pedestrian Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-03-21 13:24 -0400
              Re: Self-driving Uber kills Arizona woman in first fatal crash involving pedestrian Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-03-21 16:17 -0700
                Re: Self-driving Uber kills Arizona woman in first fatal crash involving pedestrian Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-03-21 19:49 -0400
                  Re: Self-driving Uber kills Arizona woman in first fatal crash involving pedestrian Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-03-22 11:52 -0700
                    Re: Self-driving Uber kills Arizona woman in first fatal crash involving pedestrian Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-03-22 22:05 -0400
    Re: Self-driving Uber kills Arizona woman in first fatal crash involving pedestrian Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-03-21 10:21 -0700
      Re: Self-driving Uber kills Arizona woman in first fatal crash involving pedestrian gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-03-21 21:39 +0000
        Re: Self-driving Uber kills Arizona woman in first fatal crash involving pedestrian Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-03-21 20:13 -0400
    Re: Self-driving Uber kills Arizona woman in first fatal crash involving pedestrian Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-23 18:06 +0000
    Re: Self-driving Uber kills Arizona woman in first fatal crash involving pedestrian Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2018-03-24 05:12 +0200

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#8530

FromWolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca>
Date2018-03-21 20:13 -0400
Message-ID<9zCsC.33902$177.4533@fx41.iad>
In reply to#8526
On 2018-03-21 17:39, Kenny McCormack wrote:
> In article <lnsh8tpcnl.fsf@kst-u.example.com>,
> Keith Thompson  <kst-u@mib.org> wrote:
>> "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> writes:
>> [...]
>>> Self-driving Uber
>> [...]
>>
>> If you want to discuss this, please drop all the irrelevant newsgroups,
>> particularly comp.lang.c.  Don't feed the troll.
> 
> How/why would I want to do that, assuming both of the following are true:
> 
>      1) I want to discuss this.
> 
>      2) CLC is the only relevant (I trust it is clear what I mean by
> 	relevant) newsgroup that I follow/monitor/post-to.
> 
> Really, Kiks, you need to think these things through.

The fact that a lot of people still believe that one can program AI 
should be enough IMO to make the topic relevant to comp.programming.

You can write a program to play a game, but you can't program it to play 
better than a human. To do that you'd not only have to play better than 
a human, but understand howcome you can play better. However, you can 
program a neural net to play lots of go games against itself, and learn 
from them. That's how the Go-AI (sorry, I forget the details of 
who/what/when/where/why) was able to beat the best human Go players.

You can program an AI to always win or draw a game with a completely 
defined winning strategy, such as for tic-tac-toe or nim. There's no 
such strategy for Chess or Go. Nor for driving a car.

However, I have no doubt that driver-AIs can be trained to handle novel 
situations at least as well as the best humans can. How soon? That I 
won't even try to estimate. But even the best human drivers will vary in 
their ability to handle any given novel situation. So my claim is rather 
vague.

OTOH, driver-assisting tech will I think become better and better, so 
that drivers will come to rely on it. That will deskill drivers. Eg, 
I've lost my ability to maintain constant speed since I started using 
cruise control. Before that, I could keep the car within +/- 2km/hr 
uphill and down.

-- 
Wolf K
kirkwood40.blogspot.com
"The next conference for the time travel design team will be held two 
weeks ago."

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#8542

FromPeter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com>
Date2018-03-23 18:06 +0000
Message-ID<p93fnq$1n6$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#8494
Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
> On 20/3/2018 01:05, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>
>> Garbage in, garbage out.
>>
> 
> Self-driving Uber kills Arizona woman in first fatal crash involving 
> pedestrian
> 
> <https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/mar/19/uber-self-driving-car-kills-woman-arizona-tempe> 

What has this, you vile mother-fucking syphilitic cunt, got to do with 
any of comp.lang.c, comp.programming, alt.comp.freeware, alt.conspiracy, 
alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.windows7.general?

> 
> 

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#8547

FromSteve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net>
Date2018-03-24 05:12 +0200
Message-ID<sdgbbdp0se55f2mgso7r3h3e809snp29js@4ax.com>
In reply to#8494
On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 19:53:13 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang"
<toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 20/3/2018 01:05, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>
>> Garbage in, garbage out.
>>
>
>Self-driving Uber kills Arizona woman in first fatal crash involving 
>pedestrian

Was it running Windows 7?


-- 
Steve Hayes
http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
http://khanya.wordpress.com

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