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  Jobs' theft and recovery RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-16 16:59 -0700
    Re: Jobs' theft and recovery nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-16 17:04 -0700
      Re: Jobs' theft and recovery RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-16 18:58 -0700
        Re: Jobs' theft and recovery J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2012-08-16 22:31 -0400
        Re: Jobs' theft and recovery nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-16 19:53 -0700
        Re: Jobs' theft and recovery Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-16 20:07 -0700
          Re: Jobs' theft and recovery nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-16 21:39 -0700
            Re: Jobs' theft and recovery Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2012-08-17 01:25 -0400
              Re: Jobs' theft and recovery Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-17 08:15 -0700
              Re: Jobs' theft and recovery nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-17 08:50 -0700

#2070 — Jobs' theft and recovery

Steve Jobs' house was burglarized, July 17.  The thief made off
with a big haul, incuding Apple products.

Apparently, he was caught after he activated his iTunes
account, from his house, with his new iMac (brilliant! and
further confirmation of my theory that prisons aren't full of
criminals, they're full of imbeciles) (I have a file full of such
incidents) (watch the police blotter in your local newspaper,
it's hilarious)

How did they trace it?  The report said it was through his IP
address, but his assigned IP address - through Comcast
or whatever - must be different than Jobs' home connection.
Was it some hidden tracking software, or does each Mac
contain a unique ID?

I know little about computer security or hacking, I'm trying
to edjicate myself -

--
Rich

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#2071

In article
<7acf52e2-f7be-4f59-8816-ca4a31d40600@kg10g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Steve Jobs' house was burglarized, July 17.  The thief made off
> with a big haul, incuding Apple products.
> 
> Apparently, he was caught after he activated his iTunes
> account, from his house, with his new iMac (brilliant! and
> further confirmation of my theory that prisons aren't full of
> criminals, they're full of imbeciles) (I have a file full of such
> incidents) (watch the police blotter in your local newspaper,
> it's hilarious)
> 
> How did they trace it?  The report said it was through his IP
> address, but his assigned IP address - through Comcast
> or whatever - must be different than Jobs' home connection.
> Was it some hidden tracking software, or does each Mac
> contain a unique ID?

macs have a unique serial number and 1 or more unique mac addresses.
actually, all computers do.

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#2072

On Aug 16, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> > Steve Jobs' house was burglarized, July 17.  The thief made off
> > with a big haul, incuding Apple products.
>
> > Apparently, he was caught after he activated his iTunes
> > account, from his house, with his new iMac
>
> > How did they trace it?  The report said it was through his IP
> > address, but his assigned IP address - through Comcast
> > or whatever - must be different than Jobs' home connection.
> > Was it some hidden tracking software, or does each Mac
> > contain a unique ID?
>
> macs have a unique serial number and 1 or more unique
> mac addresses.  actually, all computers do.

So, they recognized his computer's ID number when
he logged into iTunes?  And then located hin through
the IP address?

Would this happen with any iMac, any theft, or was it a
special effort for this celebrity case?

--
Rich

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#2073

On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 21:58:45 -0400, RichD wrote
(in article 
<01b433d4-0bc9-4720-85df-d2d1e114bbf2@f4g2000pbq.googlegroups.com>):

> On Aug 16, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>> Steve Jobs' house was burglarized, July 17.  The thief made off
>>> with a big haul, incuding Apple products.
>> 
>>> Apparently, he was caught after he activated his iTunes
>>> account, from his house, with his new iMac
>> 
>>> How did they trace it?  The report said it was through his IP
>>> address, but his assigned IP address - through Comcast
>>> or whatever - must be different than Jobs' home connection.
>>> Was it some hidden tracking software, or does each Mac
>>> contain a unique ID?
>> 
>> macs have a unique serial number and 1 or more unique
>> mac addresses.  actually, all computers do.
> 
> So, they recognized his computer's ID number when
> he logged into iTunes?  And then located hin through
> the IP address?
> 
> Would this happen with any iMac, any theft, or was it a
> special effort for this celebrity case?

If 'Find My Mac' is turned on _before_ the theft, it is trivial to locate the 
computer to an accuracy of approximately 10 meters. If 'Find My Mac' is not 
turned on, then when System Update makes a check with Apple's computers it 
will notify them that it's checking in, using the MAC address in the network 
card and the serial number of the Mac. Both the MAC address and the serial 
number are unique. If Apple has been notified that the device is stolen, the 
MAC address and serial number will be flagged, and the IP address from which 
the connection was made will be noted, and from that a physical location may 
be determined, depending on how smart the thief is. Other items which call 
home periodically include many Apple, Google, Microsoft, and Adobe products, 
all of which report serial numbers, MAC addresses, and IP addresses. Again, a 
physical location can quickly be determined. In addition, if the device in 
question has something like Laptop Lojac installed then there will be an 
active search for it as soon as it is reported stolen. If the thief knows 
about 'Find My Mac' and turns it off in time, and if he turns off System 
Update or if he never connects to the Internet, then there might be a slight 
problem finding him.

No, it's not a special effort. A local man found his stolen iPad thanks to 
the use of some of the above items; he had less than stellar co-operation 
from the cops, though. 
<http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/region_c_palm_beach_county/lake_worth/lake-
worth-man-uses-cloud-to-find-stolen-ipad> I'm fairly sure that the cops moved 
a _lot_ faster in the case of the stuff stolen from Jobs.

-- 
email to oshea dot j dot j at gmail dot com.

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#2074

In article
<01b433d4-0bc9-4720-85df-d2d1e114bbf2@f4g2000pbq.googlegroups.com>,
RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > > Steve Jobs' house was burglarized, July 17.  The thief made off
> > > with a big haul, incuding Apple products.
> >
> > > Apparently, he was caught after he activated his iTunes
> > > account, from his house, with his new iMac
> >
> > > How did they trace it?  The report said it was through his IP
> > > address, but his assigned IP address - through Comcast
> > > or whatever - must be different than Jobs' home connection.
> > > Was it some hidden tracking software, or does each Mac
> > > contain a unique ID?
> >
> > macs have a unique serial number and 1 or more unique
> > mac addresses.  actually, all computers do.
> 
> So, they recognized his computer's ID number when
> he logged into iTunes?  And then located hin through
> the IP address?

basically, yea.

read the gory details here:
<http://081512-news-redacted-pages.s3.amazonaws.com/081512-NEWS-redacted-
pages.pdf>

> Would this happen with any iMac, any theft, or was it a
> special effort for this celebrity case?

that no doubt helped.

somehow, i doubt if you or i called apple and asked them to be on the
lookout for a stolen imac or macbook or whatever connecting to the
itunes store, that they'd be watching all that closely.

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#2075

In article 
<01b433d4-0bc9-4720-85df-d2d1e114bbf2@f4g2000pbq.googlegroups.com>,
 RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> wrote:

> So, they recognized his computer's ID number when he logged into iTunes? 
>  And then located hin through the IP address?
> 
> Would this happen with any iMac, any theft, or was it a special effort 
> for this celebrity case?

My guess is that they used the "Find my iPhone/iPad/Mac" technology.

-- 
Tea Party Patriots is to Patriotism as 
People's Democratic Republic is to Democracy.

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#2076

In article <michelle-8FA32E.20070916082012@news.eternal-september.org>,
Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> > So, they recognized his computer's ID number when he logged into iTunes? 
> >  And then located hin through the IP address?
> > 
> > Would this happen with any iMac, any theft, or was it a special effort 
> > for this celebrity case?
> 
> My guess is that they used the "Find my iPhone/iPad/Mac" technology.

you'd guess wrong. the police report states that apple saw an ipad and
imac belonging to steve jobs connecting to apple, and using the ip
address, the cops tracked him down.

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#2077

On 8/17/12 12:39 AM, nospam wrote:
> In article <michelle-8FA32E.20070916082012@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>
>>> So, they recognized his computer's ID number when he logged into iTunes?
>>>   And then located hin through the IP address?
>>>
>>> Would this happen with any iMac, any theft, or was it a special effort
>>> for this celebrity case?
>>
>> My guess is that they used the "Find my iPhone/iPad/Mac" technology.
>
> you'd guess wrong. the police report states that apple saw an ipad and
> imac belonging to steve jobs connecting to apple, and using the ip
> address, the cops tracked him down.
>

Because police are renowned for knowing about technology, so everything 
in the press release has to be true.

Take it from somebody who worked for a Sheriff's department for two 
years; cops know absolutely nothing about computers, cellphones, new 
cars, and even fax machines confuse them.

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#2078

In article <k0kkkp$lcl$1@dont-email.me>,
 Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> wrote:

> Take it from somebody who worked for a Sheriff's department for two 
> years; cops know absolutely nothing about computers, cellphones, new 
> cars, and even fax machines confuse them.

I doubt that that's true any more.  I attended my city's Citizens Police 
Academy last year, and the PD for this rather small suburb (population 
240,000) has its own crime lab, which has very knowledgeable forensic 
computer personnel.

-- 
Tea Party Patriots is to Patriotism as 
People's Democratic Republic is to Democracy.

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#2079

In article <k0kkkp$lcl$1@dont-email.me>, Justin
<justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> wrote:

> >>> So, they recognized his computer's ID number when he logged into iTunes?
> >>>   And then located hin through the IP address?
> >>>
> >>> Would this happen with any iMac, any theft, or was it a special effort
> >>> for this celebrity case?
> >>
> >> My guess is that they used the "Find my iPhone/iPad/Mac" technology.
> >
> > you'd guess wrong. the police report states that apple saw an ipad and
> > imac belonging to steve jobs connecting to apple, and using the ip
> > address, the cops tracked him down.
> 
> Because police are renowned for knowing about technology, so everything 
> in the press release has to be true.

it wasn't a press release. it was the actual police report.

> Take it from somebody who worked for a Sheriff's department for two 
> years; cops know absolutely nothing about computers, cellphones, new 
> cars, and even fax machines confuse them.

the police who were investigating included a team *specifically* for
high tech crimes, so yes they *did* know about computers.

<http://www.reacttf.org/>

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