Groups | Search | Server Info | Keyboard shortcuts | Login | Register [http] [https] [nntp] [nntps]


Groups > comp.programming > #5536

Re: What happened to radtard?

Path csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!mx02.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail
From Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk>
Newsgroups comp.programming
Subject Re: What happened to radtard?
Date Fri, 31 Jul 2015 10:47:30 +0100
Organization go, ion artisan!
Lines 49
Message-ID <mpfg4k$8e6$1@dont-email.me> (permalink)
References <4758eb21-711c-4701-9cbc-d0c4f9be0dee@googlegroups.com>
Mime-Version 1.0
Content-Type text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding 7bit
Injection-Date Fri, 31 Jul 2015 09:45:56 +0000 (UTC)
Injection-Info mx02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="bbec9967c55d39f11ca29ee1f0b15ce1"; logging-data="8646"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/CeKxQSlSyyizYKZNw8yNJ6NvaJ603Oxqb20kffU38mA=="
User-Agent Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0
In-Reply-To <4758eb21-711c-4701-9cbc-d0c4f9be0dee@googlegroups.com>
Cancel-Lock sha1:Hr5cYWB3RwgPeNm+8yjuTAmyrK8=
Xref csiph.com comp.programming:5536

Show key headers only | View raw


On 31/07/15 10:26, Chad wrote:
> I haven't seen any recent postings by this e-tard. What happened? Did this foolholio finally get a job?

Let sleeping spammers lie.

In the meantime, I think I'll hijack the thread! :-)

Imagine you work for some kind of counter-intelligence agency. (Oh, that 
calls to mind some interesting comp.programming threads!) So 
"need-to-know" applies. Your boss dumps a frequency distribution on your 
desk. It consists of 256 values, sorted into ascending order. So any 
structure that the data might have had has been removed.

"What's this about, boss?" you rightly ask.

"We have a block of data. The bytes in it occur with these frequencies. 
(So if you add 'em all up, that's how big the block of data is.) Now, 
what we want you to find out is this: is it random crap, or is there a 
message in there somewhere?"

"How do you expect me to pull a message out of this lot?"

"I don't. I'm only asking you, IS THERE a message in there? If there 
isn't, we won't bother looking at it any further. But if there is... 
well, I just want to know. Is there a message, yes or no."

"Is it important?"

"Damn right. I want an answer before you go home."

So you stare at these 256 values, and... what?

What is the best way (or, at least, a reasonably reliable way) to 
determine whether the frequency distribution you've been given is the 
output of a random process?

People who know what I'm talking about are likely to suggest particular 
statistical tools (eg chi-square). Although such responses are welcome, 
a detailed explanation in English would be appreciated, especially if 
that explanation turns out to be easy to turn into C.

Translation: I've looked around on the Net for such an explanation, and 
they're all in Greek (or might as well be).

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

Back to comp.programming | Previous | Next — Previous in thread | Next in thread | Find similar | Unroll thread


Thread

What happened to radtard? Chad <cdalten@gmail.com> - 2015-07-31 02:26 -0700
  Re: What happened to radtard? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-07-31 10:47 +0100
    Re: What happened to radtard? Paul N <gw7rib@aol.com> - 2015-07-31 04:07 -0700
      Re: What happened to radtard? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-07-31 12:24 +0100
        Re: What happened to radtard? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-08-05 11:08 +0200
          Re: What happened to radtard? Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-12 14:03 -0400
        Re: What happened to radtard? Paul N <gw7rib@aol.com> - 2015-08-05 15:29 -0700
      Re: What happened to radtard? leif.roar@dimnakorr.com - 2015-08-06 03:31 -0500
  Re: What happened to radtard? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-07-31 08:10 -0700
    Re: What happened to radtard? Chad <cdalten@gmail.com> - 2015-07-31 23:05 -0700

csiph-web