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| Started by | aminer <aminer@toto.net> |
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| First post | 2014-01-23 18:58 -0800 |
| Last post | 2014-01-23 20:49 -0800 |
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Intelligence... aminer <aminer@toto.net> - 2014-01-23 18:58 -0800
Re: Intelligence... Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.invalid> - 2014-01-24 01:07 +0100
Re: Intelligence... aminer <aminer@toto.net> - 2014-01-23 19:48 -0800
Re: Intelligence... Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.invalid> - 2014-01-24 01:55 +0100
Re: Intelligence... aminer <aminer@toto.net> - 2014-01-23 20:10 -0800
Re: Intelligence... Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-01-24 02:16 +0100
Re: Intelligence... aminer <aminer@toto.net> - 2014-01-23 20:24 -0800
Re: Intelligence... Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-01-24 02:33 +0100
Re: Intelligence... aminer <aminer@toto.net> - 2014-01-23 20:49 -0800
| From | aminer <aminer@toto.net> |
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| Date | 2014-01-23 18:58 -0800 |
| Subject | Intelligence... |
| Message-ID | <lbsa9a$f5a$1@news.albasani.net> |
Hello all, I was reading and reading again my algorithm of my scalable RWLock, and i have discovered what is intelligence and what is to be smart.. if you look at my algorithm here: http://pages.videotron.com/aminer/rwlock1.html you will notice that this algorithm consists of different parts that you have to assemble to make this scalable RWLock algorithm, and the action and it's speed to assemble those parts constitutes what we call intelligence , so i think a man that is smart is only a machine that is faster and that finds the parts of the algorithm faster and that assemble the final algorithm from those parts faster. So i think intelligence and also conscience is in fact a faster machine with some data in it that organizes data in a form that is smart, but how life have evolved in a more intelligent and smart form as to be human ? i think it is just a long and dumb process, so to create intelligence and conscience we have first to be inspired by the laws of our mother nature and to create a more faster machines. Thank you, Amine Moulay Ramdane.
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| From | Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-01-24 01:07 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <lbsar8$1nr$3@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #2046 |
On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 18:58:02 -0800 aminer <aminer@toto.net> wrote: > > Hello all, > > > So i think intelligence and also conscience is in fact a faster > machine with some data in it that organizes data in a form that is > smart, but how life have evolved in a more intelligent and smart form > as to be human ? i think it is just a long and dumb process, so to > create intelligence and conscience we have first to be inspired by > the laws of our mother nature and to create a more faster machines. In 1987 my math professor showed us proof that algorithm for making algorithms does not exists... -- Click OK to continue...
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| From | aminer <aminer@toto.net> |
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| Date | 2014-01-23 19:48 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <lbsd7h$jqk$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #2047 |
On 1/23/2014 4:07 PM, Melzzzzz wrote: > On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 18:58:02 -0800 > aminer <aminer@toto.net> wrote: > >> >> Hello all, >> >> >> So i think intelligence and also conscience is in fact a faster >> machine with some data in it that organizes data in a form that is >> smart, but how life have evolved in a more intelligent and smart form >> as to be human ? i think it is just a long and dumb process, so to >> create intelligence and conscience we have first to be inspired by >> the laws of our mother nature and to create a more faster machines. > > In 1987 my math professor showed us proof that algorithm for making > algorithms does not exists... > So if this proof exists that means that i have forgot something, that means that the thing that gives human intelligence is not an algorithm. Amine Moulay Ramdane.
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| From | Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-01-24 01:55 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <lbsdmr$1nr$5@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #2048 |
On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 19:48:19 -0800 aminer <aminer@toto.net> wrote: > On 1/23/2014 4:07 PM, Melzzzzz wrote: > > On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 18:58:02 -0800 > > aminer <aminer@toto.net> wrote: > > > >> > >> Hello all, > >> > >> > >> So i think intelligence and also conscience is in fact a faster > >> machine with some data in it that organizes data in a form that is > >> smart, but how life have evolved in a more intelligent and smart > >> form as to be human ? i think it is just a long and dumb process, > >> so to create intelligence and conscience we have first to be > >> inspired by the laws of our mother nature and to create a more > >> faster machines. > > > > In 1987 my math professor showed us proof that algorithm for making > > algorithms does not exists... > > > > > So if this proof exists that means that i have forgot something, > that means that the thing that gives human intelligence is not > an algorithm. > > > We are analog, slow computers, that can make algorithms. -- Click OK to continue...
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| From | aminer <aminer@toto.net> |
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| Date | 2014-01-23 20:10 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <lbsegg$lsl$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #2049 |
On 1/23/2014 4:55 PM, Melzzzzz wrote: > On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 19:48:19 -0800 > aminer <aminer@toto.net> wrote: > >> On 1/23/2014 4:07 PM, Melzzzzz wrote: >>> On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 18:58:02 -0800 >>> aminer <aminer@toto.net> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hello all, >>>> >>>> >>>> So i think intelligence and also conscience is in fact a faster >>>> machine with some data in it that organizes data in a form that is >>>> smart, but how life have evolved in a more intelligent and smart >>>> form as to be human ? i think it is just a long and dumb process, >>>> so to create intelligence and conscience we have first to be >>>> inspired by the laws of our mother nature and to create a more >>>> faster machines. >>> >>> In 1987 my math professor showed us proof that algorithm for making >>> algorithms does not exists... >>> >> >> >> So if this proof exists that means that i have forgot something, >> that means that the thing that gives human intelligence is not >> an algorithm. >> >> >> > We are analog, slow computers, that can make algorithms. > Even if this proof exist, we can still have algorithms that create a finite number of algorithms and creates more specialized algorithms. That's what we are doing with machines and computers, and that also brings hope to humanity. Amine Moulay Ramdane.
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| From | Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-24 02:16 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <lbseub$2mk$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #2050 |
On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 20:10:10 -0800 aminer <aminer@toto.net> wrote: > On 1/23/2014 4:55 PM, Melzzzzz wrote: > > On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 19:48:19 -0800 > > aminer <aminer@toto.net> wrote: > > > >> On 1/23/2014 4:07 PM, Melzzzzz wrote: > >>> On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 18:58:02 -0800 > >>> aminer <aminer@toto.net> wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> Hello all, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> So i think intelligence and also conscience is in fact a faster > >>>> machine with some data in it that organizes data in a form that > >>>> is smart, but how life have evolved in a more intelligent and > >>>> smart form as to be human ? i think it is just a long and dumb > >>>> process, so to create intelligence and conscience we have first > >>>> to be inspired by the laws of our mother nature and to create a > >>>> more faster machines. > >>> > >>> In 1987 my math professor showed us proof that algorithm for > >>> making algorithms does not exists... > >>> > >> > >> > >> So if this proof exists that means that i have forgot something, > >> that means that the thing that gives human intelligence is not > >> an algorithm. > >> > >> > >> > > We are analog, slow computers, that can make algorithms. > > > > > Even if this proof exist, we can still have algorithms that > create a finite number of algorithms and creates more > specialized algorithms. That's what we are doing with machines and > computers, and that also brings hope to humanity. > > What I want to say is that we are not digital computers. We are not driven by algorithm...although we can simulate digital computer but badly... -- Click OK to continue...
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| From | aminer <aminer@toto.net> |
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| Date | 2014-01-23 20:24 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <lbsfaj$3lm$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #2051 |
On 1/23/2014 5:16 PM, Melzzzzz wrote: > On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 20:10:10 -0800 > aminer <aminer@toto.net> wrote: > >> On 1/23/2014 4:55 PM, Melzzzzz wrote: >>> On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 19:48:19 -0800 >>> aminer <aminer@toto.net> wrote: >>> >>>> On 1/23/2014 4:07 PM, Melzzzzz wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 18:58:02 -0800 >>>>> aminer <aminer@toto.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> So i think intelligence and also conscience is in fact a faster >>>>>> machine with some data in it that organizes data in a form that >>>>>> is smart, but how life have evolved in a more intelligent and >>>>>> smart form as to be human ? i think it is just a long and dumb >>>>>> process, so to create intelligence and conscience we have first >>>>>> to be inspired by the laws of our mother nature and to create a >>>>>> more faster machines. >>>>> >>>>> In 1987 my math professor showed us proof that algorithm for >>>>> making algorithms does not exists... >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> So if this proof exists that means that i have forgot something, >>>> that means that the thing that gives human intelligence is not >>>> an algorithm. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> We are analog, slow computers, that can make algorithms. >>> >> >> >> Even if this proof exist, we can still have algorithms that >> create a finite number of algorithms and creates more >> specialized algorithms. That's what we are doing with machines and >> computers, and that also brings hope to humanity. >> >> > > What I want to say is that we are not digital computers. We are > not driven by algorithm...although we can simulate digital > computer but badly... > > And what i mean is that computers and machines are becoming faster and more powerfull than human at doing different things , and even though this proof exists , algorithms inside machines and computers can still create a finite number of algorithms , and all that brings hope to humanity.. Amine Moulay Ramdane.
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| From | Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-24 02:33 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <lbsfsq$2mk$2@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #2052 |
On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 20:24:05 -0800 aminer <aminer@toto.net> wrote: > On 1/23/2014 5:16 PM, Melzzzzz wrote: > > On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 20:10:10 -0800 > > aminer <aminer@toto.net> wrote: > > > >> On 1/23/2014 4:55 PM, Melzzzzz wrote: > >>> On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 19:48:19 -0800 > >>> aminer <aminer@toto.net> wrote: > >>> > >>>> On 1/23/2014 4:07 PM, Melzzzzz wrote: > >>>>> On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 18:58:02 -0800 > >>>>> aminer <aminer@toto.net> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Hello all, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> So i think intelligence and also conscience is in fact a faster > >>>>>> machine with some data in it that organizes data in a form that > >>>>>> is smart, but how life have evolved in a more intelligent and > >>>>>> smart form as to be human ? i think it is just a long and dumb > >>>>>> process, so to create intelligence and conscience we have first > >>>>>> to be inspired by the laws of our mother nature and to create a > >>>>>> more faster machines. > >>>>> > >>>>> In 1987 my math professor showed us proof that algorithm for > >>>>> making algorithms does not exists... > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> So if this proof exists that means that i have forgot something, > >>>> that means that the thing that gives human intelligence is not > >>>> an algorithm. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> We are analog, slow computers, that can make algorithms. > >>> > >> > >> > >> Even if this proof exist, we can still have algorithms that > >> create a finite number of algorithms and creates more > >> specialized algorithms. That's what we are doing with machines and > >> computers, and that also brings hope to humanity. > >> > >> > > > > What I want to say is that we are not digital computers. We are > > not driven by algorithm...although we can simulate digital > > computer but badly... > > > > > > > > And what i mean is that computers and machines are becoming faster > and more powerfull than human at doing different things , and even > though this proof exists , algorithms inside machines and computers > can still create a finite number of algorithms , and all that brings > hope to humanity.. Problem is that algorithm can't create algorithm... So digital machines can only function within own algorithm... -- Click OK to continue...
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| From | aminer <aminer@toto.net> |
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| Date | 2014-01-23 20:49 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <52E1F0C3.2020407@toto.net> |
| In reply to | #2053 |
On 1/23/2014 5:33 PM, Melzzzzz wrote: > On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 20:24:05 -0800 > aminer <aminer@toto.net> wrote: > >> On 1/23/2014 5:16 PM, Melzzzzz wrote: >>> On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 20:10:10 -0800 >>> aminer <aminer@toto.net> wrote: >>> >>>> On 1/23/2014 4:55 PM, Melzzzzz wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 19:48:19 -0800 >>>>> aminer <aminer@toto.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 1/23/2014 4:07 PM, Melzzzzz wrote: >>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 18:58:02 -0800 >>>>>>> aminer <aminer@toto.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So i think intelligence and also conscience is in fact a faster >>>>>>>> machine with some data in it that organizes data in a form that >>>>>>>> is smart, but how life have evolved in a more intelligent and >>>>>>>> smart form as to be human ? i think it is just a long and dumb >>>>>>>> process, so to create intelligence and conscience we have first >>>>>>>> to be inspired by the laws of our mother nature and to create a >>>>>>>> more faster machines. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In 1987 my math professor showed us proof that algorithm for >>>>>>> making algorithms does not exists... >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> So if this proof exists that means that i have forgot something, >>>>>> that means that the thing that gives human intelligence is not >>>>>> an algorithm. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> We are analog, slow computers, that can make algorithms. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Even if this proof exist, we can still have algorithms that >>>> create a finite number of algorithms and creates more >>>> specialized algorithms. That's what we are doing with machines and >>>> computers, and that also brings hope to humanity. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> What I want to say is that we are not digital computers. We are >>> not driven by algorithm...although we can simulate digital >>> computer but badly... >>> >>> >> >> >> >> And what i mean is that computers and machines are becoming faster >> and more powerfull than human at doing different things , and even >> though this proof exists , algorithms inside machines and computers >> can still create a finite number of algorithms , and all that brings >> hope to humanity.. > > Problem is that algorithm can't create algorithm... > So digital machines can only function within own algorithm... > I don't agree with you Melzzz, i give you an example: if the program that you create contains two algorithms for example, this program will reexecute those algorithms, it is as if the bigger algorithms that is you computer program recreates those algorithms every time it reexecutes those algorithms, the computer program is not creating those algorithms from nothing, but it is as if it is recreating those algorithms from bits and bytes and codes every time it's reexecuting the algorithms. Amine Moulay Ramdane.
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