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Intelligence...

Started byaminer <aminer@toto.net>
First post2014-01-23 18:58 -0800
Last post2014-01-23 20:49 -0800
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  Intelligence... aminer <aminer@toto.net> - 2014-01-23 18:58 -0800
    Re: Intelligence... Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.invalid> - 2014-01-24 01:07 +0100
      Re: Intelligence... aminer <aminer@toto.net> - 2014-01-23 19:48 -0800
        Re: Intelligence... Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.invalid> - 2014-01-24 01:55 +0100
          Re: Intelligence... aminer <aminer@toto.net> - 2014-01-23 20:10 -0800
            Re: Intelligence... Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-01-24 02:16 +0100
              Re: Intelligence... aminer <aminer@toto.net> - 2014-01-23 20:24 -0800
                Re: Intelligence... Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-01-24 02:33 +0100
                  Re: Intelligence... aminer <aminer@toto.net> - 2014-01-23 20:49 -0800

#2046 — Intelligence...

Fromaminer <aminer@toto.net>
Date2014-01-23 18:58 -0800
SubjectIntelligence...
Message-ID<lbsa9a$f5a$1@news.albasani.net>
Hello all,


I was reading and reading again my algorithm of  my scalable RWLock,
and i have discovered what is intelligence and what is to be smart..
if you look at my algorithm here: 
http://pages.videotron.com/aminer/rwlock1.html

you will notice that this algorithm  consists of different parts
that you have to assemble to make this scalable RWLock algorithm, and 
the action and it's speed to assemble those parts constitutes what we 
call intelligence , so i think a man that is smart is only a machine 
that is faster and that finds the parts of the algorithm faster and that 
assemble the final algorithm from those parts faster.


So i think intelligence and also conscience is in fact a faster machine 
with some data in it that organizes data in a form that is smart, but 
how life have evolved in a more intelligent and smart form as to be 
human ? i think it is just a long and dumb process, so to create 
intelligence and conscience we have first to be inspired by the laws of 
our mother nature and to create a more faster machines.



Thank you,
Amine Moulay Ramdane.










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#2047

FromMelzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.invalid>
Date2014-01-24 01:07 +0100
Message-ID<lbsar8$1nr$3@solani.org>
In reply to#2046
On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 18:58:02 -0800
aminer <aminer@toto.net> wrote:

> 
> Hello all,
> 
> 
> So i think intelligence and also conscience is in fact a faster
> machine with some data in it that organizes data in a form that is
> smart, but how life have evolved in a more intelligent and smart form
> as to be human ? i think it is just a long and dumb process, so to
> create intelligence and conscience we have first to be inspired by
> the laws of our mother nature and to create a more faster machines.

In 1987 my math professor showed us proof that algorithm for making
algorithms does not exists...



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#2048

Fromaminer <aminer@toto.net>
Date2014-01-23 19:48 -0800
Message-ID<lbsd7h$jqk$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#2047
On 1/23/2014 4:07 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 18:58:02 -0800
> aminer <aminer@toto.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>>
>> So i think intelligence and also conscience is in fact a faster
>> machine with some data in it that organizes data in a form that is
>> smart, but how life have evolved in a more intelligent and smart form
>> as to be human ? i think it is just a long and dumb process, so to
>> create intelligence and conscience we have first to be inspired by
>> the laws of our mother nature and to create a more faster machines.
>
> In 1987 my math professor showed us proof that algorithm for making
> algorithms does not exists...
>


So if this proof exists that means that i have forgot something,
that means that the thing that gives human intelligence is not
an algorithm.



Amine Moulay Ramdane.







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#2049

FromMelzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.invalid>
Date2014-01-24 01:55 +0100
Message-ID<lbsdmr$1nr$5@solani.org>
In reply to#2048
On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 19:48:19 -0800
aminer <aminer@toto.net> wrote:

> On 1/23/2014 4:07 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
> > On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 18:58:02 -0800
> > aminer <aminer@toto.net> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Hello all,
> >>
> >>
> >> So i think intelligence and also conscience is in fact a faster
> >> machine with some data in it that organizes data in a form that is
> >> smart, but how life have evolved in a more intelligent and smart
> >> form as to be human ? i think it is just a long and dumb process,
> >> so to create intelligence and conscience we have first to be
> >> inspired by the laws of our mother nature and to create a more
> >> faster machines.
> >
> > In 1987 my math professor showed us proof that algorithm for making
> > algorithms does not exists...
> >
> 
> 
> So if this proof exists that means that i have forgot something,
> that means that the thing that gives human intelligence is not
> an algorithm.
> 
> 
> 
We are analog, slow computers, that can make algorithms. 


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#2050

Fromaminer <aminer@toto.net>
Date2014-01-23 20:10 -0800
Message-ID<lbsegg$lsl$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#2049
On 1/23/2014 4:55 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 19:48:19 -0800
> aminer <aminer@toto.net> wrote:
>
>> On 1/23/2014 4:07 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
>>> On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 18:58:02 -0800
>>> aminer <aminer@toto.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So i think intelligence and also conscience is in fact a faster
>>>> machine with some data in it that organizes data in a form that is
>>>> smart, but how life have evolved in a more intelligent and smart
>>>> form as to be human ? i think it is just a long and dumb process,
>>>> so to create intelligence and conscience we have first to be
>>>> inspired by the laws of our mother nature and to create a more
>>>> faster machines.
>>>
>>> In 1987 my math professor showed us proof that algorithm for making
>>> algorithms does not exists...
>>>
>>
>>
>> So if this proof exists that means that i have forgot something,
>> that means that the thing that gives human intelligence is not
>> an algorithm.
>>
>>
>>
> We are analog, slow computers, that can make algorithms.
>


Even if this proof exist, we can still have algorithms that
create a finite number of algorithms and creates more
specialized algorithms. That's what we are doing with machines and 
computers, and that also brings hope to humanity.



Amine Moulay Ramdane.






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#2051

FromMelzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com>
Date2014-01-24 02:16 +0100
Message-ID<lbseub$2mk$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#2050
On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 20:10:10 -0800
aminer <aminer@toto.net> wrote:

> On 1/23/2014 4:55 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
> > On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 19:48:19 -0800
> > aminer <aminer@toto.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On 1/23/2014 4:07 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 18:58:02 -0800
> >>> aminer <aminer@toto.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hello all,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> So i think intelligence and also conscience is in fact a faster
> >>>> machine with some data in it that organizes data in a form that
> >>>> is smart, but how life have evolved in a more intelligent and
> >>>> smart form as to be human ? i think it is just a long and dumb
> >>>> process, so to create intelligence and conscience we have first
> >>>> to be inspired by the laws of our mother nature and to create a
> >>>> more faster machines.
> >>>
> >>> In 1987 my math professor showed us proof that algorithm for
> >>> making algorithms does not exists...
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> So if this proof exists that means that i have forgot something,
> >> that means that the thing that gives human intelligence is not
> >> an algorithm.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > We are analog, slow computers, that can make algorithms.
> >
> 
> 
> Even if this proof exist, we can still have algorithms that
> create a finite number of algorithms and creates more
> specialized algorithms. That's what we are doing with machines and 
> computers, and that also brings hope to humanity.
> 
> 

What I want to say is that we are not digital computers. We are
not driven by algorithm...although we can simulate digital
computer but badly...


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#2052

Fromaminer <aminer@toto.net>
Date2014-01-23 20:24 -0800
Message-ID<lbsfaj$3lm$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#2051
On 1/23/2014 5:16 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 20:10:10 -0800
> aminer <aminer@toto.net> wrote:
>
>> On 1/23/2014 4:55 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
>>> On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 19:48:19 -0800
>>> aminer <aminer@toto.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/23/2014 4:07 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 18:58:02 -0800
>>>>> aminer <aminer@toto.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So i think intelligence and also conscience is in fact a faster
>>>>>> machine with some data in it that organizes data in a form that
>>>>>> is smart, but how life have evolved in a more intelligent and
>>>>>> smart form as to be human ? i think it is just a long and dumb
>>>>>> process, so to create intelligence and conscience we have first
>>>>>> to be inspired by the laws of our mother nature and to create a
>>>>>> more faster machines.
>>>>>
>>>>> In 1987 my math professor showed us proof that algorithm for
>>>>> making algorithms does not exists...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So if this proof exists that means that i have forgot something,
>>>> that means that the thing that gives human intelligence is not
>>>> an algorithm.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> We are analog, slow computers, that can make algorithms.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Even if this proof exist, we can still have algorithms that
>> create a finite number of algorithms and creates more
>> specialized algorithms. That's what we are doing with machines and
>> computers, and that also brings hope to humanity.
>>
>>
>
> What I want to say is that we are not digital computers. We are
> not driven by algorithm...although we can simulate digital
> computer but badly...
>
>



And what i mean is that computers and machines are becoming faster and 
more powerfull than human at doing different things , and even though
this proof exists , algorithms inside machines and computers can still
create a finite number of algorithms , and all that brings hope
to humanity..



Amine Moulay Ramdane.





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#2053

FromMelzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com>
Date2014-01-24 02:33 +0100
Message-ID<lbsfsq$2mk$2@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#2052
On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 20:24:05 -0800
aminer <aminer@toto.net> wrote:

> On 1/23/2014 5:16 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
> > On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 20:10:10 -0800
> > aminer <aminer@toto.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On 1/23/2014 4:55 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 19:48:19 -0800
> >>> aminer <aminer@toto.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 1/23/2014 4:07 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
> >>>>> On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 18:58:02 -0800
> >>>>> aminer <aminer@toto.net> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hello all,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So i think intelligence and also conscience is in fact a faster
> >>>>>> machine with some data in it that organizes data in a form that
> >>>>>> is smart, but how life have evolved in a more intelligent and
> >>>>>> smart form as to be human ? i think it is just a long and dumb
> >>>>>> process, so to create intelligence and conscience we have first
> >>>>>> to be inspired by the laws of our mother nature and to create a
> >>>>>> more faster machines.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In 1987 my math professor showed us proof that algorithm for
> >>>>> making algorithms does not exists...
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> So if this proof exists that means that i have forgot something,
> >>>> that means that the thing that gives human intelligence is not
> >>>> an algorithm.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> We are analog, slow computers, that can make algorithms.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> Even if this proof exist, we can still have algorithms that
> >> create a finite number of algorithms and creates more
> >> specialized algorithms. That's what we are doing with machines and
> >> computers, and that also brings hope to humanity.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > What I want to say is that we are not digital computers. We are
> > not driven by algorithm...although we can simulate digital
> > computer but badly...
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> And what i mean is that computers and machines are becoming faster
> and more powerfull than human at doing different things , and even
> though this proof exists , algorithms inside machines and computers
> can still create a finite number of algorithms , and all that brings
> hope to humanity..

Problem is that algorithm can't create algorithm...
So digital machines can only function within own algorithm...




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#2054

Fromaminer <aminer@toto.net>
Date2014-01-23 20:49 -0800
Message-ID<52E1F0C3.2020407@toto.net>
In reply to#2053
On 1/23/2014 5:33 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 20:24:05 -0800
> aminer <aminer@toto.net> wrote:
>
>> On 1/23/2014 5:16 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
>>> On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 20:10:10 -0800
>>> aminer <aminer@toto.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/23/2014 4:55 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 19:48:19 -0800
>>>>> aminer <aminer@toto.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/23/2014 4:07 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 18:58:02 -0800
>>>>>>> aminer <aminer@toto.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So i think intelligence and also conscience is in fact a faster
>>>>>>>> machine with some data in it that organizes data in a form that
>>>>>>>> is smart, but how life have evolved in a more intelligent and
>>>>>>>> smart form as to be human ? i think it is just a long and dumb
>>>>>>>> process, so to create intelligence and conscience we have first
>>>>>>>> to be inspired by the laws of our mother nature and to create a
>>>>>>>> more faster machines.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In 1987 my math professor showed us proof that algorithm for
>>>>>>> making algorithms does not exists...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So if this proof exists that means that i have forgot something,
>>>>>> that means that the thing that gives human intelligence is not
>>>>>> an algorithm.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> We are analog, slow computers, that can make algorithms.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Even if this proof exist, we can still have algorithms that
>>>> create a finite number of algorithms and creates more
>>>> specialized algorithms. That's what we are doing with machines and
>>>> computers, and that also brings hope to humanity.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> What I want to say is that we are not digital computers. We are
>>> not driven by algorithm...although we can simulate digital
>>> computer but badly...
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> And what i mean is that computers and machines are becoming faster
>> and more powerfull than human at doing different things , and even
>> though this proof exists , algorithms inside machines and computers
>> can still create a finite number of algorithms , and all that brings
>> hope to humanity..
>
> Problem is that algorithm can't create algorithm...
> So digital machines can only function within own algorithm...
>

I don't agree with you Melzzz, i give you an example: if the program 
that you create contains two algorithms for example, this program
will reexecute those algorithms, it is as if the bigger algorithms that 
is you computer program recreates those algorithms every time it 
reexecutes those algorithms, the computer program is not creating those 
algorithms from nothing, but it is as if it is recreating those 
algorithms from bits and bytes and codes every time it's reexecuting the 
algorithms.


Amine Moulay Ramdane.















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