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| Started by | lawrencedo99@gmail.com |
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| First post | 2016-06-09 20:37 -0700 |
| Last post | 2016-07-02 20:05 +0000 |
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VMS Features I Wish Linux Had lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-09 20:37 -0700
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net_work> - 2016-06-10 08:17 -0500
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2016-06-10 17:04 +0200
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had osuvman50@gmail.com - 2016-06-10 08:34 -0700
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-10 12:12 -0400
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Jan-Erik Soderholm <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com> - 2016-06-10 20:28 +0200
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2016-06-10 18:32 +0000
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Jan-Erik Soderholm <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com> - 2016-06-10 20:44 +0200
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-10 15:35 -0400
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2016-06-11 09:07 +0200
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-11 10:52 -0400
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Jan-Erik Soderholm <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com> - 2016-06-11 16:59 +0200
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2016-06-12 11:12 +0200
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Jan-Erik Soderholm <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com> - 2016-06-12 12:32 +0200
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had johnwallace4@yahoo.co.uk - 2016-06-12 04:50 -0700
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2016-06-12 14:12 +0200
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Jan-Erik Soderholm <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com> - 2016-06-12 14:47 +0200
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2016-06-12 17:14 +0200
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Hans Vlems <hvlems@freenet.de> - 2016-06-12 09:40 -0700
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had "Robert A. Brooks" <FIRST.LAST@vmssoftware.com> - 2016-06-12 16:06 -0400
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had abrsvc <dansabrservices@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-12 13:19 -0700
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-12 16:32 -0400
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had helbig@asclothestro.multivax.de (Phillip Helbig (undress to reply)) - 2016-06-12 20:19 +0000
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Hans Vlems <hvlems@freenet.de> - 2016-06-12 14:20 -0700
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Jan-Erik Soderholm <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com> - 2016-06-12 21:03 +0200
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2016-06-12 21:11 +0200
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Jan-Erik Soderholm <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com> - 2016-06-12 21:16 +0200
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2016-06-12 21:27 +0200
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-13 14:00 -0400
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Jan-Erik Soderholm <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com> - 2016-06-13 21:35 +0200
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2016-06-14 11:28 -0400
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Bill Gunshannon <bill.gunshannon@gmail.com> - 2016-06-16 10:31 -0400
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG - 2016-06-16 14:47 +0000
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Bill Gunshannon <bill.gunshannon@gmail.com> - 2016-06-16 12:19 -0400
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG - 2016-06-16 16:44 +0000
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2016-06-16 18:23 +0000
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG - 2016-06-16 21:26 +0000
VMS and Sweden, was: Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2016-06-14 19:33 +0000
Re: VMS and Sweden, was: Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Jan-Erik Soderholm <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com> - 2016-06-14 23:36 +0200
Re: VMS and Sweden, was: Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2016-06-16 18:18 +0000
Microsoft buys LinkedIn, Was: Re: VMS and Sweden Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-06-19 12:39 +0200
Re: Microsoft buys LinkedIn, Was: Re: VMS and Sweden Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2016-06-19 13:51 +0000
Re: Microsoft buys LinkedIn, Was: Re: VMS and Sweden Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-06-19 19:43 +0200
Re: Microsoft buys LinkedIn, Was: Re: VMS and Sweden Bill Gunshannon <bill.gunshannon@gmail.com> - 2016-06-19 15:53 -0400
Re: Microsoft buys LinkedIn, Was: Re: VMS and Sweden lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-19 22:44 -0700
Re: Microsoft buys LinkedIn, Was: Re: VMS and Sweden Bill Gunshannon <bill.gunshannon@gmail.com> - 2016-06-20 13:21 -0400
Re: Microsoft buys LinkedIn, Was: Re: VMS and Sweden lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-21 07:02 -0700
Re: Microsoft buys LinkedIn, Was: Re: VMS and Sweden VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG - 2016-06-20 11:25 +0000
Re: Microsoft buys LinkedIn, Was: Re: VMS and Sweden Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-06-19 22:02 +0200
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had koehler@eisner.nospam.decuserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2016-06-13 16:53 -0400
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-12 13:34 -0700
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-13 13:54 -0400
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-12 13:32 -0700
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-13 13:07 +0000
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-13 14:06 -0400
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-13 13:48 -0400
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-13 13:41 -0700
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had John Reagan <xyzzy1959@gmail.com> - 2016-06-13 13:47 -0700
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-13 22:34 +0000
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-13 20:22 -0400
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-14 04:26 +0000
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.mac.com> - 2016-06-14 18:59 -0500
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-14 21:11 -0400
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-15 02:32 -0700
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Henry Crun <mike@rechtman.com> - 2016-06-12 16:54 +0300
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG - 2016-06-12 15:52 +0000
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Henry Crun <mike@rechtman.com> - 2016-06-12 20:42 +0300
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG - 2016-06-12 19:35 +0000
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-13 14:10 -0400
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-13 13:43 -0400
Filename completion, was: Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2016-06-10 18:29 +0000
Re: Filename completion, was: Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-06-10 22:14 +0200
Re: Filename completion, was: Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Jan-Erik Soderholm <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com> - 2016-06-11 00:06 +0200
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG - 2016-06-10 20:05 +0000
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2016-06-11 09:12 +0200
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Joukj <joukj@hrem.nano.tudelft.nl> - 2016-06-13 09:37 +0200
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2016-06-13 09:56 +0200
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG - 2016-06-13 10:53 +0000
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Bill Gunshannon <bill.gunshannon@gmail.com> - 2016-06-11 09:33 -0400
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-11 10:53 -0400
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2016-06-11 15:27 +0000
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-06-12 03:15 +0000
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2016-06-12 11:19 +0200
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had helbig@asclothestro.multivax.de (Phillip Helbig (undress to reply)) - 2016-06-12 18:55 +0000
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had koehler@eisner.nospam.decuserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2016-06-13 08:59 -0400
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2016-06-13 15:55 +0200
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG - 2016-06-13 19:36 +0000
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-13 13:46 -0700
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG - 2016-06-13 21:20 +0000
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-13 17:27 -0700
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had johnwallace4@yahoo.co.uk - 2016-06-13 23:55 -0700
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-14 00:12 -0700
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had koehler@eisner.nospam.decuserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2016-06-14 09:36 -0400
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG - 2016-06-14 10:32 +0000
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2016-06-14 11:24 +0200
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG - 2016-06-14 10:42 +0000
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2016-06-14 20:12 +0200
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had koehler@eisner.nospam.decuserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2016-06-14 09:32 -0400
Re: Parsers (was Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had) Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-14 10:58 -0400
Re: Parsers (was Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had) VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG - 2016-06-14 15:25 +0000
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2016-06-14 11:22 +0200
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG - 2016-06-14 10:35 +0000
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2016-06-14 20:16 +0200
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG - 2016-06-14 20:37 +0000
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-14 18:27 -0400
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2016-06-15 11:24 +0200
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG - 2016-06-15 11:57 +0000
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2016-06-15 14:39 +0200
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-15 08:58 -0400
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2016-06-15 15:30 +0200
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG - 2016-06-15 14:35 +0000
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2016-06-15 19:29 +0200
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> - 2016-06-15 13:26 -0500
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2016-06-16 11:18 +0200
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG - 2016-06-16 09:57 +0000
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2016-06-16 13:58 +0200
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> - 2016-06-16 15:20 -0500
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2016-06-21 17:17 +0200
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2016-06-15 11:21 +0200
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-06-19 12:59 +0200
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG - 2016-06-15 11:53 +0000
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had koehler@eisner.nospam.decuserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2016-06-13 16:51 -0400
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2016-06-14 11:28 +0200
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG - 2016-06-14 10:47 +0000
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2016-06-14 20:17 +0200
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG - 2016-06-14 20:55 +0000
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2016-06-15 11:31 +0200
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-14 18:29 -0400
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had johnwallace4@yahoo.co.uk - 2016-06-14 04:14 -0700
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG - 2016-06-14 11:25 +0000
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2016-06-14 20:21 +0200
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had koehler@eisner.nospam.decuserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2016-06-14 09:44 -0400
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2016-06-14 20:22 +0200
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2016-06-14 19:23 +0000
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2016-06-15 11:34 +0200
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had johnwallace4@yahoo.co.uk - 2016-06-15 03:17 -0700
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2016-06-15 13:04 +0200
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-06-19 05:34 +0200
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-18 21:45 -0700
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2016-06-16 18:31 +0000
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-15 02:36 -0700
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Hans Vlems <hvlems@freenet.de> - 2016-06-15 11:53 -0700
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG - 2016-06-15 19:10 +0000
Terminals, was: Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2016-06-16 18:45 +0000
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2016-06-16 18:33 +0000
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-30 02:15 -0700
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Steven Schweda <sms.antinode@gmail.com> - 2016-06-30 03:58 -0700
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had hb <end.of@inter.net> - 2016-06-30 14:25 +0200
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-30 11:29 -0400
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-30 15:29 -0700
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had "Kerry Main" <kemain.nospam@gmail.com> - 2016-06-30 20:59 -0400
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-07-01 11:21 -0400
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had "Kerry Main" <kemain.nospam@gmail.com> - 2016-07-01 12:41 -0400
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-07-01 14:39 -0400
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-07-01 15:13 -0700
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had "Kerry Main" <kemain.nospam@gmail.com> - 2016-07-01 21:31 -0400
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-07-02 16:33 -0400
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had "Kerry Main" <kemain.nospam@gmail.com> - 2016-07-02 16:57 -0400
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-07-02 17:34 -0400
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had helbig@asclothestro.multivax.de (Phillip Helbig (undress to reply)) - 2016-07-03 06:40 +0000
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-07-03 00:09 -0700
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had "Kerry Main" <kemain.nospam@gmail.com> - 2016-07-03 08:12 -0400
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG - 2016-07-03 12:35 +0000
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-07-03 10:50 +0200
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2016-07-03 11:05 +0000
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG - 2016-07-03 12:29 +0000
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2016-07-03 11:44 +0000
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had johnwallace4@yahoo.co.uk - 2016-07-03 06:59 -0700
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2016-07-03 15:58 +0000
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-07-03 14:38 -0700
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.mac.com> - 2016-07-03 17:53 -0500
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-07-03 16:19 -0700
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.mac.com> - 2016-07-03 21:03 -0500
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-07-03 21:11 -0700
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had johnwallace4@yahoo.co.uk - 2016-07-04 05:48 -0700
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-07-04 16:55 -0700
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-07-03 14:33 -0700
Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG - 2016-07-02 20:05 +0000
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| From | Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-14 04:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.5.1465878467.13355.info-vax_info-vax.com@info-vax.com> |
| In reply to | #58334 |
> -----Original Message----- > From: Info-vax [mailto:info-vax-bounces@info-vax.com] On Behalf Of > Stephen Hoffman via Info-vax > Sent: 13-Jun-16 8:23 PM > To: info-vax@info-vax.com > Cc: Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> > Subject: Re: [New Info-vax] VMS Features I Wish Linux Had > > On 2016-06-13 22:34:16 +0000, Kerry Main said: > > > "Henry Ford looked at problems people actually had, and came up with > > new solutions that people couldn’t articulate or conceive of." > > > > > > > > Or in other words - "blue oceans vs red oceans" > > > > Ayup. Though it does appear that DVCS is an area that you cannot > articulate nor conceive of. Or that you prefer to disbelieve the > usefulness of the tools. Given that OpenVMS isn't particularly good > at accessing a DVCS — yes, jgit or the Python Hg bits — unfamiliarity > with these tools and these approaches is not a huge surprise, though. > Windows (Visual Studio) and macOS (Xcode) both integrate with git, so > that's a little more natural for developers working with those tools on > those platforms, and there are command-line and other GUI tools > available. I don't know off-hand if eCube NXTware or the old Netbeans > bits for OpenVMS integrate with git. > Knowing what our requirements are, and a fair bit of research, a DVCS just does not seem like a good match for us. We shall see - things might change. Re: NXTware Remote is a multi-platform (Windows, Linux, MAC) eclipse based GUI editor for OpenVMS code that integrates with SVN, CMS (not sure what others). Available gui language Eclipse plug-in editors include COB, Java, FOR (77, 90, 95, 2003, 2008), BAS, PAS, C/C++, Lua, Erlang, Python, JavaScript, Perl, Ada) Integrates with DECset products as well (MMS, CMS LSE etc) http://www.ecubesystems.com/products/nxtware-remote.html Also integrates with Jenkins on OpenVMS: (have not looked at this fully, but looks promising) http://www.slideshare.net/ecubemarketing/why-nxtware-remote-for-jenkins May 2016 news: http://www.prweb.com/releases/2016/05/prweb13418603.htm Regards, Kerry Main Kerry dot main at starkgaming dot com
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| From | "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.mac.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-14 18:59 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <njq5p1$6t9$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #58334 |
On 6/13/16 7:22 PM, Stephen Hoffman wrote: > Given that OpenVMS isn't particularly good at > accessing a DVCS — yes, jgit or the Python Hg bits — unfamiliarity with > these tools and these approaches is not a huge surprise, though. Have you tried VSI's vgit? The features it has do seem to work, but I found it difficult to do without features of the full git that I'm used to. For example, without "git show" and "git log" I felt rather blind.
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| From | Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-06-14 21:11 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <njqa06$its$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #58383 |
On 2016-06-14 23:59:28 +0000, Craig A. Berry said: > On 6/13/16 7:22 PM, Stephen Hoffman wrote: >> Given that OpenVMS isn't particularly good at accessing a DVCS — yes, >> jgit or the Python Hg bits — unfamiliarity with these tools and these >> approaches is not a huge surprise, though. > > Have you tried VSI's vgit? Nope. Haven't. I usually use git tools on another platform with a file share, or regress to VCS-era hackery and copy the files around manually or other such ugliness. Or use Hg. Different projects use different approaches, depending on who's running the particular project. -- Pure Personal Opinion | HoffmanLabs LLC
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| From | lawrencedo99@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2016-06-15 02:32 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <b6a20aff-aba0-492a-864e-cfa89fa24e14@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #58327 |
On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 8:47:56 AM UTC+12, John Reagan wrote: > On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 4:41:52 PM UTC-4, lawren...@gmail.com wrote: > >> It was Henry Ford who said, if he had asked his customers what they wanted, >> they would have replied, “a faster horse”. > > http://www.helloerik.com/no-one-said-they-wanted-faster-horses-they-wanted-less-horseshit Let the record show it was not me who tried to associate VMS with “horseshit”. ;)
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| From | Henry Crun <mike@rechtman.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-12 16:54 +0300 |
| Message-ID | <75603d-p32.ln1@Ubuntu.mike-r.com> |
| In reply to | #58230 |
On 12/06/16 12:12, Johnny Billquist wrote:
> On 2016-06-11 16:52, David Froble wrote:
>> Johnny Billquist wrote:
>>> On 2016-06-10 18:12, David Froble wrote:
>>>> John E. Malmberg wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> One issue with the VMS terminal line editing is because it is handled
>>>>> in the driver, it does not have access to the filesystem to allow it
>>>>> to do filename completion.
>>>>
>>>> Not asking this just to be some smartass, even though that's what I am.
>>>>
>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>> What is the relative value of such a feature? Sure, developers might
>>>> make use of it. But end users of the applications may not even have a
>>>> clue what a file is, and really, that's who the systems are for.
>>>>
>>>> Just like the many discussions on command line recall, what's the real
>>>> value?
>>>
>>> Well, for those people, even the commandline itself is unknown, so of
>>> course any additional features in this area are wasted.
>>>
>>> It's like asking what the additional value is of binoculars, if we're
>>> talking about blind people. Of course the answer is "none". But is
>>> that target group relevant in the discussion?
>>>
>>> Johnny
>>>
>>
>> If we're talking about where VSI should spend their limited development
>> money, then yes, it's very relevant.
>
> So the question you are posing is if VSI should do any work on the command line
> interface, because a lot of people are not using the command line interface at
> all? Fair enough. That is a valid question.
> Anyone know how many VMS users who do not use the command line interface?
>
> Johnny
>
Data point:
Nine VMS instances (running on five Charon HW)
Approx 400 users
Of whom five have DCL access (Of those five three are hell-desk support, with
limited access)
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| From | VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG |
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| Date | 2016-06-12 15:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <00B0A829.531DADC3@SendSpamHere.ORG> |
| In reply to | #58236 |
In article <75603d-p32.ln1@Ubuntu.mike-r.com>, Henry Crun <mike@rechtman.com> writes: >On 12/06/16 12:12, Johnny Billquist wrote: >> On 2016-06-11 16:52, David Froble wrote: >>> Johnny Billquist wrote: >>>> On 2016-06-10 18:12, David Froble wrote: >>>>> John E. Malmberg wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> One issue with the VMS terminal line editing is because it is handled >>>>>> in the driver, it does not have access to the filesystem to allow it >>>>>> to do filename completion. >>>>> >>>>> Not asking this just to be some smartass, even though that's what I am. >>>>> >>>>> :-) >>>>> >>>>> What is the relative value of such a feature? Sure, developers might >>>>> make use of it. But end users of the applications may not even have a >>>>> clue what a file is, and really, that's who the systems are for. >>>>> >>>>> Just like the many discussions on command line recall, what's the real >>>>> value? >>>> >>>> Well, for those people, even the commandline itself is unknown, so of >>>> course any additional features in this area are wasted. >>>> >>>> It's like asking what the additional value is of binoculars, if we're >>>> talking about blind people. Of course the answer is "none". But is >>>> that target group relevant in the discussion? >>>> >>>> Johnny >>>> >>> >>> If we're talking about where VSI should spend their limited development >>> money, then yes, it's very relevant. >> >> So the question you are posing is if VSI should do any work on the command line >> interface, because a lot of people are not using the command line interface at >> all? Fair enough. That is a valid question. >> Anyone know how many VMS users who do not use the command line interface? >> >> Johnny >> >Data point: >Nine VMS instances (running on five Charon HW) >Approx 400 users >Of whom five have DCL access (Of those five three are hell-desk support, with >limited access) So, hell runs on VMS? Probably because hell can't afford downtime with all of those lawyers and politicians headed that way! -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
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| From | Henry Crun <mike@rechtman.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-12 20:42 +0300 |
| Message-ID | <pgj03d-25n.ln1@Ubuntu.mike-r.com> |
| In reply to | #58240 |
On 12/06/16 18:52, VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
> In article <75603d-p32.ln1@Ubuntu.mike-r.com>, Henry Crun <mike@rechtman.com> writes:
>> On 12/06/16 12:12, Johnny Billquist wrote:
>>> On 2016-06-11 16:52, David Froble wrote:
>>>> Johnny Billquist wrote:
>>>>> On 2016-06-10 18:12, David Froble wrote:
>>>>>> John E. Malmberg wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One issue with the VMS terminal line editing is because it is handled
>>>>>>> in the driver, it does not have access to the filesystem to allow it
>>>>>>> to do filename completion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not asking this just to be some smartass, even though that's what I am.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is the relative value of such a feature? Sure, developers might
>>>>>> make use of it. But end users of the applications may not even have a
>>>>>> clue what a file is, and really, that's who the systems are for.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just like the many discussions on command line recall, what's the real
>>>>>> value?
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, for those people, even the commandline itself is unknown, so of
>>>>> course any additional features in this area are wasted.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's like asking what the additional value is of binoculars, if we're
>>>>> talking about blind people. Of course the answer is "none". But is
>>>>> that target group relevant in the discussion?
>>>>>
>>>>> Johnny
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If we're talking about where VSI should spend their limited development
>>>> money, then yes, it's very relevant.
>>>
>>> So the question you are posing is if VSI should do any work on the command line
>>> interface, because a lot of people are not using the command line interface at
>>> all? Fair enough. That is a valid question.
>>> Anyone know how many VMS users who do not use the command line interface?
>>>
>>> Johnny
>>>
>> Data point:
>> Nine VMS instances (running on five Charon HW)
>> Approx 400 users
>> Of whom five have DCL access (Of those five three are hell-desk support, with
>> limited access)
>
> So, hell runs on VMS? Probably because hell can't afford downtime with all
> of those lawyers and politicians headed that way!
>
See: http://alpha.mike-r.com/jargon/H/hell-desk.html
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| From | VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG |
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| Date | 2016-06-12 19:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <00B0A848.92E416C6@SendSpamHere.ORG> |
| In reply to | #58247 |
In article <pgj03d-25n.ln1@Ubuntu.mike-r.com>, Henry Crun <mike@rechtman.com> writes: >On 12/06/16 18:52, VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> In article <75603d-p32.ln1@Ubuntu.mike-r.com>, Henry Crun <mike@rechtman.com> writes: >>> On 12/06/16 12:12, Johnny Billquist wrote: >>>> On 2016-06-11 16:52, David Froble wrote: >>>>> Johnny Billquist wrote: >>>>>> On 2016-06-10 18:12, David Froble wrote: >>>>>>> John E. Malmberg wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> One issue with the VMS terminal line editing is because it is handled >>>>>>>> in the driver, it does not have access to the filesystem to allow it >>>>>>>> to do filename completion. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Not asking this just to be some smartass, even though that's what I am. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What is the relative value of such a feature? Sure, developers might >>>>>>> make use of it. But end users of the applications may not even have a >>>>>>> clue what a file is, and really, that's who the systems are for. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just like the many discussions on command line recall, what's the real >>>>>>> value? >>>>>> >>>>>> Well, for those people, even the commandline itself is unknown, so of >>>>>> course any additional features in this area are wasted. >>>>>> >>>>>> It's like asking what the additional value is of binoculars, if we're >>>>>> talking about blind people. Of course the answer is "none". But is >>>>>> that target group relevant in the discussion? >>>>>> >>>>>> Johnny >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If we're talking about where VSI should spend their limited development >>>>> money, then yes, it's very relevant. >>>> >>>> So the question you are posing is if VSI should do any work on the command line >>>> interface, because a lot of people are not using the command line interface at >>>> all? Fair enough. That is a valid question. >>>> Anyone know how many VMS users who do not use the command line interface? >>>> >>>> Johnny >>>> >>> Data point: >>> Nine VMS instances (running on five Charon HW) >>> Approx 400 users >>> Of whom five have DCL access (Of those five three are hell-desk support, with >>> limited access) >> >> So, hell runs on VMS? Probably because hell can't afford downtime with all >> of those lawyers and politicians headed that way! >> > >See: http://alpha.mike-r.com/jargon/H/hell-desk.html Having to explain a joke takes all the humor out of it. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
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| From | David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-13 14:10 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <njmstq$sqb$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #58240 |
VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > So, hell runs on VMS? Probably because hell can't afford downtime with all > of those lawyers and politicians headed that way! Sometimes you lighten my day and bring a smile to my face, and sometimes ROTFLMAF
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| From | David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-13 13:43 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <njmrcn$ks0$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #58230 |
Johnny Billquist wrote: > On 2016-06-11 16:52, David Froble wrote: >> Johnny Billquist wrote: >>> On 2016-06-10 18:12, David Froble wrote: >>>> John E. Malmberg wrote: >>>> >>>>> One issue with the VMS terminal line editing is because it is handled >>>>> in the driver, it does not have access to the filesystem to allow it >>>>> to do filename completion. >>>> >>>> Not asking this just to be some smartass, even though that's what I am. >>>> >>>> :-) >>>> >>>> What is the relative value of such a feature? Sure, developers might >>>> make use of it. But end users of the applications may not even have a >>>> clue what a file is, and really, that's who the systems are for. >>>> >>>> Just like the many discussions on command line recall, what's the real >>>> value? >>> >>> Well, for those people, even the commandline itself is unknown, so of >>> course any additional features in this area are wasted. >>> >>> It's like asking what the additional value is of binoculars, if we're >>> talking about blind people. Of course the answer is "none". But is >>> that target group relevant in the discussion? >>> >>> Johnny >>> >> >> If we're talking about where VSI should spend their limited development >> money, then yes, it's very relevant. > > So the question you are posing is if VSI should do any work on the > command line interface, because a lot of people are not using the > command line interface at all? Fair enough. That is a valid question. > Anyone know how many VMS users who do not use the command line interface? > > Johnny > Even if users do use the CLI, it still works as is, doesn't need some of the "wish list". So it's not an either / or thing. I'm going to suggest that most VMS users run applications, not DCL ....
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| From | Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> |
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| Date | 2016-06-10 18:29 +0000 |
| Subject | Filename completion, was: Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had |
| Message-ID | <njf0us$ive$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #58159 |
On 2016-06-10, John E. Malmberg <wb8tyw@qsl.net_work> wrote: > > One issue with the VMS terminal line editing is because it is handled in > the driver, it does not have access to the filesystem to allow it to do > filename completion. > That's easy enough to fix with some enhancements. Assume you want to emulate the bash tab completion model which is the most elegant way I've come across so far. One suggestion (which would have to be turned on by the caller (ie: the shell/CLI) as required): Make the Tab an input termination character and pass back to the caller the fact that Tab was pressed _and_ the position in the input line it was pressed at. This position is basically a one-dimensional cursor. The shell/CLI calls a lib$expand_filenames with the line and cursor position within the line. It fills in whatever unique characters it can, modifies the cursor position in the line as required and passes back to the caller a list of matching filenames so the caller can display them to the user. The shell/CLI then issues a new read to VMS with the modified line and cursor position within the line and the user then carries on typing. For this to work properly, the VMS terminal driver needs the ability to edit across lines, including the ability to move back up a line on the screen so that when there's only one matching filename the visual effect is that the full filename is inserted and any text to the right of the line cursor is scrolled to the right, including across any line boundaries as required. Don't forget that you may type in a command line (or recall it) and then go and change a filename within the middle of the command line. The above scheme handles that and gives you terminal driver editing _and_ filename completion. Simon. -- Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP Microsoft: Bringing you 1980s technology to a 21st century world
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| From | Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> |
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| Date | 2016-06-10 22:14 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Filename completion, was: Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had |
| Message-ID | <5mjr2d-5042.ln1@news.chingola.ch> |
| In reply to | #58175 |
On 2016-06-10, Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> wrote: > On 2016-06-10, John E. Malmberg <wb8tyw@qsl.net_work> wrote: >> >> One issue with the VMS terminal line editing is because it is handled in >> the driver, it does not have access to the filesystem to allow it to do >> filename completion. >> > > That's easy enough to fix with some enhancements. Assume you want to > emulate the bash tab completion model which is the most elegant way > I've come across so far. One suggestion (which would have to be turned > on by the caller (ie: the shell/CLI) as required): > > Make the Tab an input termination character and pass back to the caller > the fact that Tab was pressed _and_ the position in the input line it > was pressed at. This position is basically a one-dimensional cursor. > > The shell/CLI calls a lib$expand_filenames with the line and cursor > position within the line. It fills in whatever unique characters it > can, modifies the cursor position in the line as required and passes > back to the caller a list of matching filenames so the caller can > display them to the user. > > The shell/CLI then issues a new read to VMS with the modified line and > cursor position within the line and the user then carries on typing. > > For this to work properly, the VMS terminal driver needs the ability > to edit across lines, including the ability to move back up a line on > the screen so that when there's only one matching filename the visual > effect is that the full filename is inserted and any text to the right > of the line cursor is scrolled to the right, including across any line > boundaries as required. > > Don't forget that you may type in a command line (or recall it) and > then go and change a filename within the middle of the command line. > The above scheme handles that and gives you terminal driver editing > _and_ filename completion. > In addition to your well thought out reply... UUIDs are also a candidate for command completion: <https://marclop.svbtle.com/smartos#vmadmd_2> "Most commands operate on VMs by UUID. In SmartOS, there are included bash tab-completion rules so that you can tab-complete UUIDs rather than having to type them out for every command." Demo: # vmadm list UUID TYPE RAM STATE ALIAS 8ae7996e-1f9b-49ee-b0af-1650b2ecdd6f OS 256 running datasets1 6bca0a13-b994-4946-bcf0-477da87396fc OS 512 running pysci ... # vmadm stop 8a<TAB> autocompletes to give: # vmadm stop 8ae7996e-1f9b-49ee-b0af-1650b2ecdd6f It's invaluable when working on a physical console without copy and paste functionality. -- There are two hard things in computer science, and they are cache invalidation, naming, and off-by-one errors.
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| From | Jan-Erik Soderholm <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-11 00:06 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Filename completion, was: Re: VMS Features I Wish Linux Had |
| Message-ID | <njfdl3$79n$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #58182 |
Den 2016-06-10 kl. 22:14, skrev Paul Sture: > On 2016-06-10, > Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> wrote: >> On 2016-06-10, John E. Malmberg <wb8tyw@qsl.net_work> wrote: >>> >>> One issue with the VMS terminal line editing is because it is handled in >>> the driver, it does not have access to the filesystem to allow it to do >>> filename completion. >>> >> >> That's easy enough to fix with some enhancements. Assume you want to >> emulate the bash tab completion model which is the most elegant way >> I've come across so far. One suggestion (which would have to be turned >> on by the caller (ie: the shell/CLI) as required): >> >> Make the Tab an input termination character and pass back to the caller >> the fact that Tab was pressed _and_ the position in the input line it >> was pressed at. This position is basically a one-dimensional cursor. >> >> The shell/CLI calls a lib$expand_filenames with the line and cursor >> position within the line. It fills in whatever unique characters it >> can, modifies the cursor position in the line as required and passes >> back to the caller a list of matching filenames so the caller can >> display them to the user. >> >> The shell/CLI then issues a new read to VMS with the modified line and >> cursor position within the line and the user then carries on typing. >> >> For this to work properly, the VMS terminal driver needs the ability >> to edit across lines, including the ability to move back up a line on >> the screen so that when there's only one matching filename the visual >> effect is that the full filename is inserted and any text to the right >> of the line cursor is scrolled to the right, including across any line >> boundaries as required. >> >> Don't forget that you may type in a command line (or recall it) and >> then go and change a filename within the middle of the command line. >> The above scheme handles that and gives you terminal driver editing >> _and_ filename completion. >> > > In addition to your well thought out reply... > > UUIDs are also a candidate for command completion: > > <https://marclop.svbtle.com/smartos#vmadmd_2> > > "Most commands operate on VMs by UUID. In SmartOS, there are included > bash tab-completion rules so that you can tab-complete UUIDs rather than > having to type them out for every command." > > Demo: > > # vmadm list > UUID TYPE RAM STATE ALIAS > 8ae7996e-1f9b-49ee-b0af-1650b2ecdd6f OS 256 running datasets1 > 6bca0a13-b994-4946-bcf0-477da87396fc OS 512 running pysci > ... > > > # vmadm stop 8a<TAB> > > autocompletes to give: > > # vmadm stop 8ae7996e-1f9b-49ee-b0af-1650b2ecdd6f > > It's invaluable when working on a physical console without copy > and paste functionality. > What kind of console is/was that? LA120? Why would one *not* use a console through a terminal emulator of some kind *today*? In PuTTY it is just a double-click + right-click and the UUID is copied into the command line. Same with filenames, it is very easy to point to a filename and get it into the command line.
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| From | VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG |
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| Date | 2016-06-10 20:05 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <00B0A6BA.6ADCF678@SendSpamHere.ORG> |
| In reply to | #58159 |
In article <njeel9$fq3$1@dont-email.me>, "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net_work> writes:
>{...snip...}
>
>One issue with the VMS terminal line editing is because it is handled in
>the driver, it does not have access to the filesystem to allow it to do
>filename completion.
Where would one use filename completion? I'd contend only when a command is
entered interactively. Put it in the CLI! DCL maintains commands that have
been entered, so editing of commands can/should be handled there too. These
arguments that such features can or could never appear in VMS because of the
terminal driver are bullshit.
--
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I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
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| From | Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> |
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| Date | 2016-06-11 09:12 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <njgdk3$gun$2@Iltempo.Update.UU.SE> |
| In reply to | #58181 |
On 2016-06-10 22:05, VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
> In article <njeel9$fq3$1@dont-email.me>, "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net_work> writes:
>> {...snip...}
>>
>> One issue with the VMS terminal line editing is because it is handled in
>> the driver, it does not have access to the filesystem to allow it to do
>> filename completion.
>
> Where would one use filename completion? I'd contend only when a command is
> entered interactively. Put it in the CLI! DCL maintains commands that have
> been entered, so editing of commands can/should be handled there too. These
> arguments that such features can or could never appear in VMS because of the
> terminal driver are bullshit.
The fact that it already have existed in VMS should be proof enough that
it can be done (has everyone forgotten DCLCOMPLETE?)
Johnny
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| From | Joukj <joukj@hrem.nano.tudelft.nl> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-06-13 09:37 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <njlnr2$1sq3$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #58197 |
Johnny Billquist wrote:
> On 2016-06-10 22:05, VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
>> In article <njeel9$fq3$1@dont-email.me>, "John E. Malmberg"
>> <wb8tyw@qsl.net_work> writes:
>>> {...snip...}
>>>
>>> One issue with the VMS terminal line editing is because it is handled in
>>> the driver, it does not have access to the filesystem to allow it to do
>>> filename completion.
>>
>> Where would one use filename completion? I'd contend only when a
>> command is
>> entered interactively. Put it in the CLI! DCL maintains commands
>> that have
>> been entered, so editing of commands can/should be handled there too.
>> These
>> arguments that such features can or could never appear in VMS because
>> of the
>> terminal driver are bullshit.
>
> The fact that it already have existed in VMS should be proof enough that
> it can be done (has everyone forgotten DCLCOMPLETE?)
>
That package is VAX-only and was never ported to ALpha.
Jouk
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| From | Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> |
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| Date | 2016-06-13 09:56 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <njlouj$kqr$1@Iltempo.Update.UU.SE> |
| In reply to | #58278 |
On 2016-06-13 09:37, Joukj wrote:
> Johnny Billquist wrote:
>> On 2016-06-10 22:05, VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
>>> In article <njeel9$fq3$1@dont-email.me>, "John E. Malmberg"
>>> <wb8tyw@qsl.net_work> writes:
>>>> {...snip...}
>>>>
>>>> One issue with the VMS terminal line editing is because it is
>>>> handled in
>>>> the driver, it does not have access to the filesystem to allow it to do
>>>> filename completion.
>>>
>>> Where would one use filename completion? I'd contend only when a
>>> command is
>>> entered interactively. Put it in the CLI! DCL maintains commands
>>> that have
>>> been entered, so editing of commands can/should be handled there
>>> too. These
>>> arguments that such features can or could never appear in VMS because
>>> of the
>>> terminal driver are bullshit.
>>
>> The fact that it already have existed in VMS should be proof enough
>> that it can be done (has everyone forgotten DCLCOMPLETE?)
>>
> That package is VAX-only and was never ported to ALpha.
Yes. But that don't change the fact that it proves that it could (can)
be done.
Johnny
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|| on a psychedelic trip
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| From | VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG |
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| Date | 2016-06-13 10:53 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <00B0A8C8.D16B1BE9@SendSpamHere.ORG> |
| In reply to | #58278 |
In article <njlnr2$1sq3$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Joukj <joukj@hrem.nano.tudelft.nl> writes:
>Johnny Billquist wrote:
>> On 2016-06-10 22:05, VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
>>> In article <njeel9$fq3$1@dont-email.me>, "John E. Malmberg"
>>> <wb8tyw@qsl.net_work> writes:
>>>> {...snip...}
>>>>
>>>> One issue with the VMS terminal line editing is because it is handled in
>>>> the driver, it does not have access to the filesystem to allow it to do
>>>> filename completion.
>>>
>>> Where would one use filename completion? I'd contend only when a
>>> command is
>>> entered interactively. Put it in the CLI! DCL maintains commands
>>> that have
>>> been entered, so editing of commands can/should be handled there too.
>>> These
>>> arguments that such features can or could never appear in VMS because
>>> of the
>>> terminal driver are bullshit.
>>
>> The fact that it already have existed in VMS should be proof enough that
>> it can be done (has everyone forgotten DCLCOMPLETE?)
>>
>That package is VAX-only and was never ported to ALpha.
I remember it. I never used it but I do remember it. If this is something
somebody wants, that somebody can port it.
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| From | Bill Gunshannon <bill.gunshannon@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-06-11 09:33 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ds2i8sF19luU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #58159 |
On 6/10/16 9:17 AM, John E. Malmberg wrote: > On 6/9/2016 10:37 PM, lawrencedo99@gmail.com wrote: >> >> The other one is the terminal driver. My first impression of Unix >> was what a crap terminal driver it had, that echoes everything as > > soon as it’s typed. Seems like no other system has seen fit to > > emulate the thoughtful VMS feature of not echoing anything until > > it is actually being recognized as input to a program. > > Which can let text not intended to be echoed like passwords leak to the > terminal output. > Unix (and thus Linux) has built in method that prevents things like passwords from echoing. Once again people pointing out non-existant weaknesses in Unix. I wish people would take the time to actually learn about it before trying to criticize it. bill
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| From | David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-11 10:53 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <njh8lv$2f2$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #58205 |
Bill Gunshannon wrote: > On 6/10/16 9:17 AM, John E. Malmberg wrote: >> On 6/9/2016 10:37 PM, lawrencedo99@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> The other one is the terminal driver. My first impression of Unix >>> was what a crap terminal driver it had, that echoes everything as >> > soon as it’s typed. Seems like no other system has seen fit to >> > emulate the thoughtful VMS feature of not echoing anything until >> > it is actually being recognized as input to a program. >> >> Which can let text not intended to be echoed like passwords leak to the >> terminal output. >> > > Unix (and thus Linux) has built in method that prevents things like > passwords from echoing. > > Once again people pointing out non-existant weaknesses in Unix. I > wish people would take the time to actually learn about it before > trying to criticize it. > > bill > > Sure! Assign me a job I don't want .... :-)
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