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Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?

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  Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2021-08-30 18:22 -0500
    Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2021-08-31 00:14 +0000
    Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-31 04:39 +0100
      Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2021-08-31 15:19 +0200
        Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-31 14:34 +0100
          Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2021-08-31 16:16 +0200
            Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-31 15:47 +0100
              Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2021-08-31 18:54 +0200
                Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-31 17:59 +0100
                Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-09-01 04:21 +0000
    Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2021-08-31 10:59 +0200
      Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-31 10:46 +0100
        Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-31 10:50 +0100
          Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-31 10:57 +0100
        Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2021-09-01 11:09 +0200
          Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-01 10:42 +0100
            Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-09-01 13:47 +0200
    Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-08-31 06:04 -0400
    Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2021-09-14 22:42 -0400

#4403 — Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?

From	ant@zimage.comANT (Ant)
Date	2021-08-30 18:22 -0500
Subject	Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?
Message-ID	<m9Sdna3loJ6g9bD8nZ2dnUU7-e1QAAAA@earthlink.com>

I'll be mainly doing basic stuff like web browsing, e-mails, newsgroups,
downloads, listening to audio, watching videos, simple SSH2 server, etc.
I currently run updated Debian Jessie v8's KDE which is fine but it
doesn't get updates for years so it's time to move on for a clean/new
Linux installation. Will getting Bullseye v11 be OK?

Setup details:

Intel Core 2 Q8200 (quad-core; default clock speeds; Socket 775 LGA;
Yorkfield) with a Scythe Andy Master 120mm CPU cooler (SCASM-1000),
Antec Sonata Proto mid tower ATX case, MSI P43 NEO3-F (MSI-7514)
motherboard (latest BIOS), two 1 GB of Crucial RAM (Samsung DDR2 800
(PC2-6400; 400 MHz), EVGA NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT PCIE video card (512 MB
of VRAM), onboard RealTek RTL8168C(P)/8111C(P) PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet
and Intel High Digital Audio (HDA), 600 watts Sea Sonic S12 PSU, ASUS TV
Tuner Card 880 NTSC (cx23880), Pioneer CD/DVD Burner Black SATA Model
DVR-218LBK LabelFlash Support, 3.5" floppy disk drive, Corsair Force
Series F115 Solid-State Disk (SSD) (115 GB; CSSD-F115GB2-BRKT-A), two
internal 3.5" SATA hard disk drives (HDDs) [Seagate ST3320620AS 320 GB
and Western Digital Purple Surveillance 2 TB (6 Gbs; 50 MB cache; WDC
WD20PURX-64P6ZY0)], Sabrent USB2+memory card reader front panel, and an
Intel InBusiness 10/100 (82559) NIC (not connected). Running 64-bit
Debian (Linux; oldoldstable v8/Jessie; kernel v3.16... x86_64) and
updated 64-bit Windows 7 HPE SP1 (installed on 10/22/2016).

Connected to an old (Y2K) Belkin Omni Cube (2-port; PS/2 and VGA) KVM to
share a 23.6" 16:9 1920x1080 pixels ASUS VS247H-P monitor (LED; 2 ms,
9/2014, etc.), a Dell 104-key PS/2 keyboard, and a three-buttons PS/2
optical Logitech mouse.

Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
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#4404

From	Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid>
Date	2021-08-31 00:14 +0000
Message-ID	<20210830201218@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to	#4403

On 2021-08-30, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> I'll be mainly doing basic stuff like web browsing, e-mails, newsgroups,
> downloads, listening to audio, watching videos, simple SSH2 server, etc.
> I currently run updated Debian Jessie v8's KDE which is fine but it
> doesn't get updates for years so it's time to move on for a clean/new
> Linux installation. Will getting Bullseye v11 be OK?

I'm running Lubuntu 18.04 on a 2004-vintage Centrino laptop, and Debian 11
with LXDE on an Asus Eee netbook from 2009. These are 32-bit 2GB systems
with small SSDs installed. They're not speed demons but work fine. Don't
expect to play HD video but SD works OK. (Though maybe with your video
card you'll have better results.) I expect you'll do all right running
Debian 11 on your setup. Some additional memory wouldn't be a bad idea.

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#4405

From	The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date	2021-08-31 04:39 +0100
Message-ID	<sgk8a0$k0b$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#4403

On 31/08/2021 00:22, Ant wrote:
> I'll be mainly doing basic stuff like web browsing, e-mails, newsgroups,
> downloads, listening to audio, watching videos, simple SSH2 server, etc.
> I currently run updated Debian Jessie v8's KDE which is fine but it
> doesn't get updates for years so it's time to move on for a clean/new
> Linux installation. Will getting Bullseye v11 be OK?
Try Linux Mint Mate
Verty good multimedia support. Not as dumbed as Cinnamon
-- 
"In our post-modern world, climate science is not powerful because it is 
true: it is true because it is powerful."

Lucas Bergkamp

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#4411

From	Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
Date	2021-08-31 15:19 +0200
Message-ID	<sgla8u$ng9$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#4405

Am 31.08.21 um 05:39 schrieb The Natural Philosopher:
> On 31/08/2021 00:22, Ant wrote:
>> I'll be mainly doing basic stuff like web browsing, e-mails, newsgroups,
>> downloads, listening to audio, watching videos, simple SSH2 server, etc.
>> I currently run updated Debian Jessie v8's KDE which is fine but it
>> doesn't get updates for years so it's time to move on for a clean/new
>> Linux installation. Will getting Bullseye v11 be OK?
> Try Linux Mint Mate
> Verty good multimedia support. Not as dumbed as Cinnamon

https://linuxmint.com/edition.php?id=290

Xfce should be even lighter on the system. Also good multimedia-support.


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De gustibus non est disputandum

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#4412

From	The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date	2021-08-31 14:34 +0100
Message-ID	<sglb53$rk$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#4411

On 31/08/2021 14:19, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 31.08.21 um 05:39 schrieb The Natural Philosopher:
>> On 31/08/2021 00:22, Ant wrote:
>>> I'll be mainly doing basic stuff like web browsing, e-mails, newsgroups,
>>> downloads, listening to audio, watching videos, simple SSH2 server, etc.
>>> I currently run updated Debian Jessie v8's KDE which is fine but it
>>> doesn't get updates for years so it's time to move on for a clean/new
>>> Linux installation. Will getting Bullseye v11 be OK?
>> Try Linux Mint Mate
>> Verty good multimedia support. Not as dumbed as Cinnamon
> 
> https://linuxmint.com/edition.php?id=290
> 
> Xfce should be even lighter on the system. Also good multimedia-support.
> 
> 
Agreed, but if he can add some RAM. I feel Mate is a better "User 
Experience"

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#4413

From	Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
Date	2021-08-31 16:16 +0200
Message-ID	<sgldkp$b31$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#4412

Am 31.08.21 um 15:34 schrieb The Natural Philosopher:
> On 31/08/2021 14:19, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>> https://linuxmint.com/edition.php?id=290
>>
>> Xfce should be even lighter on the system. Also good multimedia-support.
>>
>>
> Agreed, but if he can add some RAM. I feel Mate is a better "User 
> Experience"

Really? I think that is a matter of taste. I always worked with Cinnamon
on rather powerful machines. That is as good as a Mac OS-machine. This
posting is written on a MacBook Air with a Cinnamon installed as sole OS.

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#4414

From	The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date	2021-08-31 15:47 +0100
Message-ID	<sglfdk$v0v$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#4413

On 31/08/2021 15:16, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 31.08.21 um 15:34 schrieb The Natural Philosopher:
>> On 31/08/2021 14:19, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>> https://linuxmint.com/edition.php?id=290
>>>
>>> Xfce should be even lighter on the system. Also good multimedia-support.
>>>
>>>
>> Agreed, but if he can add some RAM. I feel Mate is a better "User
>> Experience"
> 
> Really? I think that is a matter of taste. I always worked with Cinnamon
> on rather powerful machines. That is as good as a Mac OS-machine.

In my book that is not really an upward step from Windows ;-)



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  – Ludwig von Mises

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#4415

From	Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
Date	2021-08-31 18:54 +0200
Message-ID	<sglmra$iev$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#4414

Am 31.08.21 um 16:47 schrieb The Natural Philosopher:
> On 31/08/2021 15:16, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>> Really? I think that is a matter of taste. I always worked with Cinnamon
>> on rather powerful machines. That is as good as a Mac OS-machine.
> 
> In my book that is not really an upward step from Windows ;-)

*Really*?!
Everything is an improvement over Windows 1X, IMHO.
MacOS is more sophisticated as far as the look is concerned but it is a
digital prison.

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#4416

From	The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date	2021-08-31 17:59 +0100
Message-ID	<sgln5d$n3f$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#4415

On 31/08/2021 17:54, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 31.08.21 um 16:47 schrieb The Natural Philosopher:
>> On 31/08/2021 15:16, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>> Really? I think that is a matter of taste. I always worked with Cinnamon
>>> on rather powerful machines. That is as good as a Mac OS-machine.
>>
>> In my book that is not really an upward step from Windows ;-)
> 
> *Really*?!
> Everything is an improvement over Windows 1X, IMHO.
> MacOS is more sophisticated as far as the look is concerned but it is a
> digital prison.
> 
> 
In a nutshell yes. My desktop is set up with a MAC look, but that's all


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#4417

From	Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date	2021-09-01 04:21 +0000
Message-ID	<sgmv3c1jto@news1.newsguy.com>
In reply to	#4415

On 2021-08-31, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:

> Am 31.08.21 um 16:47 schrieb The Natural Philosopher:
>
>> On 31/08/2021 15:16, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>
>>> Really? I think that is a matter of taste. I always worked with Cinnamon
>>> on rather powerful machines. That is as good as a Mac OS-machine.
>> 
>> In my book that is not really an upward step from Windows ;-)
>
> *Really*?!
> Everything is an improvement over Windows 1X, IMHO.
> MacOS is more sophisticated as far as the look is concerned but it is a
> digital prison.

On the rare occasions that I use my wife's Mac, I feel that
I'm not so much using it as it is using me.  See my .sig...

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#4406

From	Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us>
Date	2021-08-31 10:59 +0200
Message-ID	<sgkr1e$f8l$1@news1.tnib.de>
In reply to	#4403

[Please don't crosspost this wildly in the future, and at least set a
Followup-To: header]

ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
>Intel Core 2 Q8200 (quad-core; default clock speeds; Socket 775 LGA;
>Yorkfield) with a Scythe Andy Master 120mm CPU cooler (SCASM-1000),
>Antec Sonata Proto mid tower ATX case, MSI P43 NEO3-F (MSI-7514)
>motherboard (latest BIOS), two 1 GB of Crucial RAM (Samsung DDR2 800
>(PC2-6400; 400 MHz),EVGA NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT PCIE video card (512 MB
>of VRAM),

Do yourself the favor and upgrade your RAM to 8 GB, if the board
allows that. Be careful not to exceed the remaining value of the
entire machine doing so. And expect that the nVidia driver will not
support the old graphics card any more.

Consider ditching the entire machine and replacing it with a more
recent, probably used, box.

Greetings
Marc
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#4407

From	The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date	2021-08-31 10:46 +0100
Message-ID	<sgktpo$578$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#4406

On 31/08/2021 09:59, Marc Haber wrote:

 >And expect that the nVidia driver will not
 >support the old graphics card any more.

> Consider ditching the entire machine and replacing it with a more
> recent, probably used, box.

Nvidia support very old legacy hardware with up to date linux drivers.

295.49  is the driver that will be needed. It is likely that at least 
Ubuntu/Mint will have that in the repository and suggest its 
installation at install time

4GB RAM is enough for a basic modern distro.

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For in reason, all government without the consent of the governed is the 
very definition of slavery.

Jonathan Swift

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#4408

From	The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date	2021-08-31 10:50 +0100
Message-ID	<sgku1s$578$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#4407

On 31/08/2021 10:46, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 31/08/2021 09:59, Marc Haber wrote:
> 
>  >And expect that the nVidia driver will not
>  >support the old graphics card any more.
> 
>> Consider ditching the entire machine and replacing it with a more
>> recent, probably used, box.
> 
> 
> Nvidia support very old legacy hardware with up to date linux drivers.
> 
> 295.49  is the driver that will be needed. It is likely that at least 
> Ubuntu/Mint will have that in the repository and suggest its 
> installation at install time
> 
Sorry - that's semi obsolete 340.108 is the latest one - last updated 2019

I've used that one on a very old laptop, before it died...its OK.

-- 
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But Marxism is the crack cocaine.

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#4409

From	The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date	2021-08-31 10:57 +0100
Message-ID	<sgkuf5$8i9$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#4408

On 31/08/2021 10:50, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 31/08/2021 10:46, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 31/08/2021 09:59, Marc Haber wrote:
>>
>>  >And expect that the nVidia driver will not
>>  >support the old graphics card any more.
>>
>>> Consider ditching the entire machine and replacing it with a more
>>> recent, probably used, box.
>>
>>
>> Nvidia support very old legacy hardware with up to date linux drivers.
>>
>> 295.49  is the driver that will be needed. It is likely that at least 
>> Ubuntu/Mint will have that in the repository and suggest its 
>> installation at install time
>>
> Sorry - that's semi obsolete 340.108 is the latest one - last updated 2019
> 
> I've used that one on a very old laptop, before it died...its OK.
> 
It is currently in use on a machine here -part of Linux Mint 20 distro. 
and installed automatically.

But the generic Linux nouveau driver is adequate, if slower

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#4418

From	Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us>
Date	2021-09-01 11:09 +0200
Message-ID	<sgng0l$btf$1@news1.tnib.de>
In reply to	#4407

The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>Nvidia support very old legacy hardware with up to date linux drivers.

If so, this has changed in the last five years. My last nVidia
graphics card was removed from the machine and replaced with AMD since
the nVidia legacy driver suddenly stopped supporting it.

This has never happened to me before or afterwards with other vendors.
Avoid nVidia at all costs.

Greetings
Marc
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#4419

From	The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date	2021-09-01 10:42 +0100
Message-ID	<sgnhtk$dij$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#4418

On 01/09/2021 10:09, Marc Haber wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> Nvidia support very old legacy hardware with up to date linux drivers.
> 
> If so, this has changed in the last five years. My last nVidia
> graphics card was removed from the machine and replaced with AMD since
> the nVidia legacy driver suddenly stopped supporting it.
> 
> This has never happened to me before or afterwards with other vendors.
> Avoid nVidia at all costs.
> 
> Greetings
> Marc
> 
I have never found an Nvidia card that didn't have a driver that worked 
with it, and their Linux support is massively better than any other 
manufacturer

Buy Nvidia whenever possible for Linux.


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a car with the cramped public exposure of  an airplane.”

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#4420

From	"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date	2021-09-01 13:47 +0200
Message-ID	<fs540ixub1.ln2@minas-tirith.valinor>
In reply to	#4419

On 01/09/2021 11.42, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 01/09/2021 10:09, Marc Haber wrote:
>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> Nvidia support very old legacy hardware with up to date linux drivers.
>>
>> If so, this has changed in the last five years. My last nVidia
>> graphics card was removed from the machine and replaced with AMD since
>> the nVidia legacy driver suddenly stopped supporting it.
>>
>> This has never happened to me before or afterwards with other vendors.
>> Avoid nVidia at all costs.

> I have never found an Nvidia card that didn't have a driver that worked
> with it, and their Linux support is massively better than any other
> manufacturer
> 
> Buy Nvidia whenever possible for Linux.

I had to do the same as Marc, as my NVidia card stopped being supported
by the proprietary driver, and I changed to AMD too.

Native Linux support for Nvidia cards is limited, there is no 3d, and
limited hardware acceleration (with the open driver).

With AMD, I don't need any proprietary driver to get games running.

So, avoid Nvidia at all costs. Ask (or google) Linus Torvalds what he
thinks of Nvidia.

As to not happening before, yes, it did, with ATI cards long ago. A
decade or two, before it joined with AMD and they opened things.

-- 
Cheers,
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#4410

From	Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net>
Date	2021-08-31 06:04 -0400
Message-ID	<87a6kyudyy.fsf@usenet.ankman.de>
In reply to	#4403

On Mon, 30 Aug 2021 18:22:37 -0500, Ant wrote:
>
> Setup details:
>
> Intel Core 2 Q8200 (quad-core; default clock speeds; Socket 775 LGA;
> Yorkfield) with a Scythe Andy Master 120mm CPU cooler (SCASM-1000),
> Antec Sonata Proto mid tower ATX case, MSI P43 NEO3-F (MSI-7514)
> motherboard (latest BIOS), two 1 GB of Crucial RAM (Samsung DDR2 800
> (PC2-6400; 400 MHz), EVGA NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT PCIE video card (512 MB
> of VRAM), onboard RealTek RTL8168C(P)/8111C(P) PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet
> and Intel High Digital Audio (HDA), 600 watts Sea Sonic S12 PSU, ASUS TV
> Tuner Card 880 NTSC (cx23880), Pioneer CD/DVD Burner Black SATA Model
> DVR-218LBK LabelFlash Support, 3.5" floppy disk drive, Corsair Force
> Series F115 Solid-State Disk (SSD) (115 GB; CSSD-F115GB2-BRKT-A), two
> internal 3.5" SATA hard disk drives (HDDs) [Seagate ST3320620AS 320 GB
> and Western Digital Purple Surveillance 2 TB (6 Gbs; 50 MB cache; WDC
> WD20PURX-64P6ZY0)], Sabrent USB2+memory card reader front panel, and an
> Intel InBusiness 10/100 (82559) NIC (not connected). Running 64-bit
> Debian (Linux; oldoldstable v8/Jessie; kernel v3.16... x86_64) and
> updated 64-bit Windows 7 HPE SP1 (installed on 10/22/2016).

I wish I had your specs. My notebook is "only" nine years old, but with a
Duo-Core CPU. Board has 4 GB RAM, running 32-Bit (PAE) Debian. The Gnome
GUI runs fine - *if* not too many apps are running at the same time.

Also have RealTek chips for network (Ethernet and WIFI) built in.

F'up2 comp.os.linux.misc (I don't read the other groups).
-- 
Andreas

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#4421

From	TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business>
Date	2021-09-14 22:42 -0400
Message-ID	<shrmjh$771$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#4403

On 8/30/21 19:22, Ant wrote:
> I'll be mainly doing basic stuff like web browsing, e-mails, newsgroups,
> downloads, listening to audio, watching videos, simple SSH2 server, etc.
> I currently run updated Debian Jessie v8's KDE which is fine but it
> doesn't get updates for years so it's time to move on for a clean/new
> Linux installation. Will getting Bullseye v11 be OK?
> 
> Setup details:
> 
> Intel Core 2 Q8200 (quad-core; default clock speeds; Socket 775 LGA;
> Yorkfield) with a Scythe Andy Master 120mm CPU cooler (SCASM-1000),
> Antec Sonata Proto mid tower ATX case, MSI P43 NEO3-F (MSI-7514)
> motherboard (latest BIOS), two 1 GB of Crucial RAM (Samsung DDR2 800
> (PC2-6400; 400 MHz), EVGA NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT PCIE video card (512 MB
> of VRAM), onboard RealTek RTL8168C(P)/8111C(P) PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet
> and Intel High Digital Audio (HDA), 600 watts Sea Sonic S12 PSU, ASUS TV
> Tuner Card 880 NTSC (cx23880), Pioneer CD/DVD Burner Black SATA Model
> DVR-218LBK LabelFlash Support, 3.5" floppy disk drive, Corsair Force
> Series F115 Solid-State Disk (SSD) (115 GB; CSSD-F115GB2-BRKT-A), two
> internal 3.5" SATA hard disk drives (HDDs) [Seagate ST3320620AS 320 GB
> and Western Digital Purple Surveillance 2 TB (6 Gbs; 50 MB cache; WDC
> WD20PURX-64P6ZY0)], Sabrent USB2+memory card reader front panel, and an
> Intel InBusiness 10/100 (82559) NIC (not connected). Running 64-bit
> Debian (Linux; oldoldstable v8/Jessie; kernel v3.16... x86_64) and
> updated 64-bit Windows 7 HPE SP1 (installed on 10/22/2016).
> 
> Connected to an old (Y2K) Belkin Omni Cube (2-port; PS/2 and VGA) KVM to
> share a 23.6" 16:9 1920x1080 pixels ASUS VS247H-P monitor (LED; 2 ms,
> 9/2014, etc.), a Dell 104-key PS/2 keyboard, and a three-buttons PS/2
> optical Logitech mouse.

Hello, Ant.

I can't answer your question, because I have zero experience with 
Debian. I use Mageia Linux, and have since its inception a decade ago, 
and I can say that your hardware would work just fine with Mageia 8.

I would, however, echo some of the advice you've been given here to get 
the best you can out of Mageia. You should add some RAM - bring it up to 
4GB at least, and 8 would be better. With just 2GB you are likely to be 
using swap if you try to do more than one thing at a time, and that will 
hurt performance, even with an ssd.

I'd also replace the Nvidia card with one from AMD, because Nvidia has 
become notorious for not supporting their older cards with proprietary 
drivers. While your current card may work OK with the open source 
nouveau driver, it also may not. I dumped my last Nvidia card two years 
ago because of this. The open source AMD drivers are much more capable 
in my experience.

Ebay is an excellent place to look for lightly used older hardware 
upgrades - it is where most of my hardware has come from.

I have a PC, on loan to my brother, with a 13 year old Intel DQ45CB 
motherboard, a Core 2 Duo E8400 processor, 8GB of RAM, AMD HD 8570 
video, and an ssd drive. He connects to the Internet with an Atheros 
AR9485 PCIe card. He is running Mageia 8 Linux with the Plasma DE, with 
no troubles at all. The video card uses the AMDGPU driver, but actually, 
for anything he's likely to do the onboard Intel graphics would be 
perfectly adequate.

I also have an 18 year old Dell Inspiron 5100 that is successfully 
running Mageia 8 Linux. It has a 32-bit P4 processor, 2GB of RAM (the 
max for the hardware), downright ancient Radeon RV200 graphics, and an 
old Atheros wifi card. It is running 32-bit Mageia Xfce, currently using 
the 5.10.62 kernel. It's definitely no speed demon, but it works.

TJ

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