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  Where does sendmail fetch the <mailText> from? no.top.post@gmail.com - 2011-09-02 07:48 +0000
    Re: Where does sendmail fetch the <mailText> from? Greg Russell <me@invalid.com> - 2011-09-02 19:38 +0000
    Re: Where does sendmail fetch the <mailText> from? Chris Davies <chris-usenet@roaima.co.uk> - 2011-09-03 21:27 +0100
      Re: Where does sendmail fetch the <mailText> from? "NoHtmlMailsPlease" <UsePlainText@dog.edu> - 2011-09-11 12:21 +0200
        Re: Where does sendmail fetch the <mailText> from? Chris Davies <chris-usenet@roaima.co.uk> - 2011-09-12 09:33 +0100
          Re: Where does sendmail fetch the <mailText> from? "NoHtmlMailsPlease" <UsePlainText@dog.edu> - 2011-09-15 07:08 +0200
            Re: Where does sendmail fetch the <mailText> from? Joe Zeff <the.guy.with.the.sideburns@lasfs.info> - 2011-09-15 17:58 +0000
              Re (2): Where does sendmail fetch the <mailText> from? no.top.post@gmail.com - 2011-09-19 09:12 +0000
                Re: Re (2): Where does sendmail fetch the <mailText> from? Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2011-09-19 09:48 +0000
                Re: Re (2): Where does sendmail fetch the <mailText> from? Joe Zeff <the.guy.with.the.sideburns@lasfs.info> - 2011-09-19 15:28 +0000
                  Re: Re (2): Where does sendmail fetch the <mailText> from? ibuprofin@painkiller.example.tld.invalid (Moe Trin) - 2011-09-20 14:35 -0500
                    Re: Re (2): Where does sendmail fetch the <mailText> from? Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> - 2011-09-20 22:39 +0200
                      Re: Re (2): Where does sendmail fetch the <mailText> from? Joe Zeff <the.guy.with.the.sideburns@lasfs.info> - 2011-09-20 21:50 +0000
                      Re: Re (2): Where does sendmail fetch the <mailText> from? Joe Zeff <the.guy.with.the.sideburns@lasfs.info> - 2011-09-20 21:54 +0000
                        Re: Re (2): Where does sendmail fetch the <mailText> from? Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> - 2011-09-21 00:19 +0200
                          Re: Re (2): Where does sendmail fetch the <mailText> from? Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2011-09-24 14:01 +0000
                            Re: Re (2): Where does sendmail fetch the <mailText> from? Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> - 2011-09-24 16:13 +0200
                      Re: Re (2): Where does sendmail fetch the <mailText> from? Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> - 2011-09-20 19:10 -0700
                        Re: Re (2): Where does sendmail fetch the <mailText> from? Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> - 2011-09-21 09:42 +0200
                          Re: Re (2): Where does sendmail fetch the <mailText> from? Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> - 2011-09-21 08:03 -0700
                      Re: Re (2): Where does sendmail fetch the <mailText> from? ibuprofin@painkiller.example.tld.invalid (Moe Trin) - 2011-09-21 22:11 -0500
                    Re: Re (2): Where does sendmail fetch the <mailText> from? Joe Zeff <the.guy.with.the.sideburns@lasfs.info> - 2011-09-20 21:45 +0000
            Re: Where does sendmail fetch the <mailText> from? ska <skg@mail.inf.fh-brs.de> - 2011-09-19 00:46 -0700

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#543 — Where does sendmail fetch the <mailText> from?

The docos for my prefered front-end mentions 'MailQ'.
`man mailq` indicates that that is a link to sendmail.
The source-code of the front-end says:
"/usr/lib/sendmail -oi -t < /tmp/Mailer.Send"

`man sendmail` says:
-ox value Set option x to the specified value. 
This form uses single character names only. 
The short names are not described in this manual page; 
see the Sendmail Installation and Operation Guide for details. 
-i Ignore dots alone on lines by themselves in incoming messages. 
This should be set if you are reading data from a file. 
-t Read message for recipients. To:, Cc:, and Bcc: lines will 
be scanned for recipient addresses. The Bcc: line will be 
deleted before transmission.

Apparently the font-end was supposed to 
`put the outgoing mail to /tmp/Mailer.Send`
before calling `sendmail`.

I need to test/bebug the front-end and sendmail separately.

Q. how can I feed a <mailMesg> to sendmail to be sent ?

What's the minimal format besides fields:
"To: ","Cc: ", "Bcc: ", 'Subject: "  & body terminated with dot-line?

How can I test/debug using the 'loop'/127.0.0.1 to avoid dialup
costs?

== TIA

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#547

On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 07:48:37 +0000, no.top.post wrote:

...
> Q. how can I feed a <mailMesg> to sendmail to be sent ?
...
> How can I test/debug using the 'loop'/127.0.0.1 to avoid dialup costs?

You can copy-n-paste the following line:

   echo -e "To: $USER\nSubject: test\n\nHere it is.\n" | sendmail -t

then examine as root the /var/log/maillog entries for the transaction, 
and use any arbitrary client as $USER to check the mailbox, such as 
"mail" or "mailx".

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#549

no.top.post@gmail.com wrote:
> The docos for my prefered front-end mentions 'MailQ'.
> `man mailq` indicates that that is a link to sendmail.

The mailq command lists the contents of the mail queue. (That's email
that has not yet been delivered.)


> The source-code of the front-end says:
> "/usr/lib/sendmail -oi -t < /tmp/Mailer.Send"

That queues a message contained in "/tmp/Mailer.Send" to the mail
subsystem (whether or not that subsystem is implemented by the application
called "sendmail"; you'll find that /usr/lib/sendmail always exists). The
submission program is expected to scan the message headers for To, Cc,
Bcc lines to work out where to deliver the message.


> Apparently the font-end was supposed to `put the outgoing mail to
> /tmp/Mailer.Send` before calling `sendmail`.

Looks like it, yes.


> I need to test/bebug the front-end and sendmail separately.

You could (temporarily) replace /usr/lib/sendmail with a simple script
that captures date/time, command line arguments, and stdin, to a file. You
can then see what was going to be passed to the mail subsystem.

    #!/bin/sh
    exec 1>>/tmp/my-sendmail.log
    echo "Date:" `date`
    echo "Args ($#): $*"
    echo "STDIN:"
    sed 's/^/| /'
    echo
    exit 0


> Q. how can I feed a <mailMesg> to sendmail to be sent ?

Another poster has given you a one-liner to try this. You can also try this:

    uptime | mail -s 'TEST MESSAGE' -v $USER


> What's the minimal format besides fields:
> "To: ","Cc: ", "Bcc: ", 'Subject: "  & body terminated with dot-line?

    From: Me
    To: You

    some message goes here

In your context you do not need the trailing dot; EOF is sufficient.


> How can I test/debug using the 'loop'/127.0.0.1 to avoid dialup
> costs?

Unless you (or someone) has configured your mail subsystem as a satellite
node, you can email any local account just "as is", with an @{domain}
bit after the username.

Chris

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#568

"Chris Davies" <chris-usenet@roaima.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:37faj8xsrv.ln2@news.roaima.co.uk...
> no.top.post@gmail.com wrote:
>> The docos for my prefered front-end mentions 'MailQ'.
>> `man mailq` indicates that that is a link to sendmail.
>
> The mailq command lists the contents of the mail queue. (That's email
> that has not yet been delivered.)
>
>
>> The source-code of the front-end says:
>> "/usr/lib/sendmail -oi -t < /tmp/Mailer.Send"
>
> That queues a message contained in "/tmp/Mailer.Send" to the mail
> subsystem (whether or not that subsystem is implemented by the application
> called "sendmail"; you'll find that /usr/lib/sendmail always exists). The
> submission program is expected to scan the message headers for To, Cc,
> Bcc lines to work out where to deliver the message.
>
>
>> Apparently the font-end was supposed to `put the outgoing mail to
>> /tmp/Mailer.Send` before calling `sendmail`.
>
> Looks like it, yes.
>
>
>> I need to test/bebug the front-end and sendmail separately.
>
> You could (temporarily) replace /usr/lib/sendmail with a simple script
> that captures date/time, command line arguments, and stdin, to a file. You
> can then see what was going to be passed to the mail subsystem.
>
>    #!/bin/sh
>    exec 1>>/tmp/my-sendmail.log
>    echo "Date:" `date`
>    echo "Args ($#): $*"
>    echo "STDIN:"
>    sed 's/^/| /'
>    echo
>    exit 0
>
>
>> Q. how can I feed a <mailMesg> to sendmail to be sent ?
>
> Another poster has given you a one-liner to try this. You can also try 
> this:
>
>    uptime | mail -s 'TEST MESSAGE' -v $USER
>
>
>> What's the minimal format besides fields:
>> "To: ","Cc: ", "Bcc: ", 'Subject: "  & body terminated with dot-line?
>
>    From: Me
>    To: You
>
>    some message goes here
>
> In your context you do not need the trailing dot; EOF is sufficient.
>
>
>> How can I test/debug using the 'loop'/127.0.0.1 to avoid dialup
>> costs?
>
> Unless you (or someone) has configured your mail subsystem as a satellite
> node, you can email any local account just "as is", with an @{domain}
> bit after the username.
>
> Chris --------------
Thanks, that all tests OK.
But my <front end> can't <pipe to sendmail>.
It can only read & write *nix files. But a pipe IS a file ?
So, I'll just let it write to a file and then have a script to
<pipe the-file to sendmail>.

So it seems that I can get my <From: To: Subject: body>
to sendmail. Now I need sendmail to forward the mail to my
ISP, and get past the TXAuthenticate protocol.

Obviously sendmail needs to know/have-access-to my:
SMTP server
UserID
Password
? what else ?

On an earlier linux version these were set up.
Now I can't see how/where to set them.

I've always used a dial-up with specific SEND-MAIL-NOW, and
not <mail gets sent automatically in the background> and once
when I had:
    cat JapWME | sendmail -t  -f easlab@absamail.co.za
it repeatedly sent an email.
I don't know why that happened, and I don't want it to
happen again.
Perhaps that line was uncommented in the script, which did
my online-tasks; so it re-sent each time the script was run?

Obviously sendmail keeps an <outbox>  and it removes the
item once it gets an <accepted signal>  from the SMTP ?

Right now, I haven't got access to my dialup & am using a crappy
M$+wireless-modem. But I want all the parts setup for when I get
access to dialup again.

Does this look right? :-
-> tail /var/log/maillog == ...
Sep 11 09:37:33 localhost sendmail[16782]:
 p8B7bXKn016782: to=root, ctladdr=root (0/0), delay
...dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: Connection refused by [127.0.0.1]

Why is "Connection refused by [127.0.0.1]" ?
Is that relevant to sendmail-relaying-to-my-ISP ?

The confusing aspect, is that apparently, sendmail will store
the post, and automatically send, when it gets access to ppp.

I prefer to have CONTROL: to say 'NOW send that mail',
via ppp -> serial-port -> modem.

== TIA
 

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#575

NoHtmlMailsPlease <UsePlainText@dog.edu> wrote:
> Obviously sendmail needs to know/have-access-to my:
> SMTP server
> UserID
> Password
> ? what else ?

> On an earlier linux version these were set up.
> Now I can't see how/where to set them.

This depends entirely on the type of mail subsystem you're using. (Just
because /usr/lib/sendmail exists doesn't mean that you're running
sendmail.)


> Does this look right? :-
> -> tail /var/log/maillog == ...
> Sep 11 09:37:33 localhost sendmail[16782]:
> p8B7bXKn016782: to=root, ctladdr=root (0/0), delay
> ...dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: Connection refused by [127.0.0.1]

This suggests to me that your mail subsystem isn't set up to recognise
that it is itself, which in turn suggests that it's probably not
configured at all.

We need to know the flavour of GNU/Linux you're running (what
distribution) and what mail subsystem you've got installed. (One way of
determining this is to check if /usr/lib/sendmail is a symbolic link,
and if so where it ends up.)


> The confusing aspect, is that apparently, sendmail will store
> the post, and automatically send, when it gets access to ppp.

You can either have dial-on-demand triggered by the attempted delivery,
or have delivery-on-connection triggered by the link coming up. Your
choice.

Chris

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#585

"Chris Davies" <chris-usenet@roaima.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:dos0k8xtan.ln2@news.roaima.co.uk...
> NoHtmlMailsPlease <UsePlainText@dog.edu> wrote:
>> Obviously sendmail needs to know/have-access-to my:
>> SMTP server
>> UserID
>> Password
>> ? what else ?
>
>> On an earlier linux version these were set up.
>> Now I can't see how/where to set them.
>
> This depends entirely on the type of mail subsystem you're using. (Just
> because /usr/lib/sendmail exists doesn't mean that you're running
> sendmail.)
>
>> Does this look right? :-
>> -> tail /var/log/maillog == ...
>> Sep 11 09:37:33 localhost sendmail[16782]:
>> p8B7bXKn016782: to=root, ctladdr=root (0/0), delay
>> ...dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: Connection refused by [127.0.0.1]
>
> This suggests to me that your mail subsystem isn't set up to recognise
> that it is itself, which in turn suggests that it's probably not
> configured at all.
>
> We need to know the flavour of GNU/Linux you're running (what
> distribution) and what mail subsystem you've got installed. (One way of
> determining this is to check if /usr/lib/sendmail is a symbolic link,
> and if so where it ends up.)
>
I'm not limited to ONE linux. Nor is sendmail restricted to one fork.
Right now, I switched back from Slak13 to FC1.
`pstree` indicates that, sendmail is running; and the link-chain leads 
there.

>> The confusing aspect, is that apparently, sendmail will store
>> the post, and automatically send, when it gets access to ppp.
>
> You can either have dial-on-demand triggered by the attempted delivery,
> or have delivery-on-connection triggered by the link coming up. Your
> choice.
>
I want to send after *I* decide to dial/connect and *I* decide to 'post 
mail'.

==TIA
> Chris 

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#588

On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 07:08:35 +0200, NoHtmlMailsPlease wrote:

> Right now, I switched back from Slak13 to FC1.

You do realize, don't you, that every version of Fedora Core is long past 
EOL and is badly obsolete?  The current version is Fedora 15 (Note the 
lack of the word "Core," removed after version 6.)  You really should 
upgrade to a more current version if your hardware's up to it; if not, I'd 
suggest a recent version of CentOS.  This will not only get you access to 
current security patches it will install a recent version of sendmail 
which might be exactly what you need.

-- 
Joe Zeff -- The Guy With The Sideburns:
http://www.zeff.us http://www.lasfs.info
The free market works, but just not always the way you
want it to.

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#610 — Re (2): Where does sendmail fetch the <mailText> from?

In article <4e723cd1$0$26447$a8266bb1@newsreader.readnews.com>, Joe Zeff <the.guy.with.the.sideburns@lasfs.info> wrote: 

> On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 07:08:35 +0200, NoHtmlMailsPlease wrote:
> 
> > Right now, I switched back from Slak13 to FC1.
> 
> You do realize, don't you, that every version of Fedora Core is long past 
> EOL and is badly obsolete?  The current version is Fedora 15 (Note the 
> lack of the word "Core," removed after version 6.)  You really should 
> upgrade to a more current version if your hardware's up to it; if not, I'd 
> suggest a recent version of CentOS.  This will not only get you access to 
> current security patches it will install a recent version of sendmail 
> which might be exactly what you need.
> -- 

Without any consideration of PeeCeeness, let me record history:

In199?, several years after I had B.Sc'ed with 1 major in Compt Sc,
and was happy with Win3.1, my ISP told that I'd have to "upgrade"
to W95, I said "screw you" and turned to ETHO which then already
had a text interface FAR superior to anything you have ever 
experienced.

And I installed Slak3.
At that time RH6.2 was the hotest thing under the sun and 
all the kiddies  told "that would remove all out-of-date
problems".

Skip Mandrake9, FC1, Deb-Lenny, Slak13, Caldera ..etc.

C.a. 2000's I started noticing strange concepts that the kiddies were
using, like "repairing your credit", and I watched the global 
economic crisis unfolding, because the kiddies had lost what 
was common sense 4 generations ago.

I've been asking myself:
what happened to all the clowns who said "get RH6.2, to solve all
problems": have they died, or are they just peddling different shit
 now?
 
My prefered linux installation is my Mandrake9 for complex reasons,
which I'm not using now only because krnl 2.4 doesn't seem to handle 
USBstik. IE 2 stages  BACKWARDS from DebLenny or Slak13 is better!
 
Changing conditions, cause me to lose access to a landline during
 the week, so I had to buy a NEW netbook to drive a wireless-modem.
 
 This NEWER Win7 is a disaster compared to Forte-Agent of 199?
 under Win3.1.
 
 You kiddies need to wake up and realise that NEW STUFF doesn't
 always solve the problem.
 Or perhaps you're a trainee sales clerk?
 
 BTW, I can give a concrete analysis of why the newest M$ is
 less productive than 199? ForteAgent, and question what is your 
 objective definition of "is badly obsolete".
 

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#611 — Re: Re (2): Where does sendmail fetch the <mailText> from?

["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.networking.]
On Mon, 2011-09-19, no.top.post@gmail.com wrote:
> In article <4e723cd1$0$26447$a8266bb1@newsreader.readnews.com>, Joe Zeff <the.guy.with.the.sideburns@lasfs.info> wrote: 
>
>> On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 07:08:35 +0200, NoHtmlMailsPlease wrote:
>> 
>> > Right now, I switched back from Slak13 to FC1.
>> 
>> You do realize, don't you, that every version of Fedora Core is long past 
>> EOL and is badly obsolete?  The current version is Fedora 15 (Note the 
>> lack of the word "Core," removed after version 6.)  You really should 
>> upgrade to a more current version if your hardware's up to it; if not, I'd 
>> suggest a recent version of CentOS.  This will not only get you access to 
>> current security patches it will install a recent version of sendmail 
>> which might be exactly what you need.
>> -- 
>
> Without any consideration of PeeCeeness, let me record history:

[snip]

>  You kiddies need to wake up and realise that NEW STUFF doesn't
>  always solve the problem.
>  Or perhaps you're a trainee sales clerk?

That's a rude response to a piece of friendly advice. *plonk*

/Jorgen

-- 
  // Jorgen Grahn <grahn@  Oo  o.   .     .
\X/     snipabacken.se>   O  o   .

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#612 — Re: Re (2): Where does sendmail fetch the <mailText> from?

On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 09:12:09 +0000, no.top.post wrote:

>  You kiddies need to wake up and realise that NEW STUFF doesn't always
>  solve the problem.
>  Or perhaps you're a trainee sales clerk?

The first computer I ever programmed was an IBM 1620 Mod 2, with 20,000 
digits of core memory, programmed by using an IBM 029 to punch the numeric 
program onto punched cards.  Now that we're done with the DSW, do you want 
help, or do you want to wank?  Your choice.

-- 
Joe Zeff -- The Guy With The Sideburns:
http://www.zeff.us http://www.lasfs.info
Complaining about the wait times doesn't make them shorter.

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#615 — Re: Re (2): Where does sendmail fetch the <mailText> from?

On 19 Sep 2011, in the Usenet newsgroups comp.os.linux.networking and
comp.mail.sendmail, in article
<4e775fa2$0$26298$a8266bb1@newsreader.readnews.com>, Joe Zeff wrote:

>no.top.post wrote:

>>  You kiddies need to wake up and realise that NEW STUFF doesn't
>>  always solve the problem.
>>  Or perhaps you're a trainee sales clerk?

>The first computer I ever programmed was an IBM 1620 Mod 2, with
>20,000 digits of core memory, programmed by using an IBM 029 to
>punch the numeric program onto punched cards.

Ah, so you didn't start until solid-state and digital became standard.
Some of us pre-date that.  Joe, you're responding to a nym-shifting
troll.  There is nothing the troll will post that is worth reading,
never mind responding to.

>Now that we're done with the DSW, do you want help, or do you want to
>wank?  Your choice.

No, the troll wants victims - fix your news reader, adding the troll
to the kill file.  Also, you don't need poultry to post here, and you
really ought to fix that.

        Old guy

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#616 — Re: Re (2): Where does sendmail fetch the <mailText> from?

On Tuesday 20 September 2011 21:35 in comp.os.linux.networking, somebody
identifying as Moe Trin wrote...

> On 19 Sep 2011, in the Usenet newsgroups comp.os.linux.networking and
> comp.mail.sendmail, in article
> <4e775fa2$0$26298$a8266bb1@newsreader.readnews.com>, Joe Zeff wrote:
> 
>> no.top.post wrote:
>> 
>>>  You kiddies need to wake up and realise that NEW STUFF doesn't
>>>  always solve the problem.
>>>  Or perhaps you're a trainee sales clerk?
>> 
>> The first computer I ever programmed was an IBM 1620 Mod 2, with
>> 20,000 digits of core memory, programmed by using an IBM 029 to
>> punch the numeric program onto punched cards.
> 
> Ah, so you didn't start until solid-state and digital became standard.
> Some of us pre-date that.  Joe, you're responding to a nym-shifting
> troll.  There is nothing the troll will post that is worth reading,
> never mind responding to.

In his defense, I've never seen him nymshift - in fact, I've known him
to go by this pseudonym for many years already - nor would I consider
him a troll.

He *does* on the other hand have serious social issues and the concepts
of gratitude and respect towards those that attempt to help him are
completely alien to him.

>> Now that we're done with the DSW, do you want help, or do you want to
>> wank?  Your choice.
> 
> No, the troll wants victims - fix your news reader, adding the troll
> to the kill file.

He's been in mine for a while already, and across all groups he and I
have in common.

> Also, you don't need poultry to post here, and you really ought to fix
> that. 

Now *that* one is over my head. ;-)

-- 
Aragorn
(registered GNU/Linux user #223157)

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#618 — Re: Re (2): Where does sendmail fetch the <mailText> from?

On Tue, 20 Sep 2011 22:39:04 +0200, Aragorn wrote:

> He *does* on the other hand have serious social issues and the concepts
> of gratitude and respect towards those that attempt to help him are
> completely alien to him.

Back when I did tech support for a living, I had to put up with lusing 
gits like him.  Now, when I'm only offering advice because I feel like it, 
I have a choice.  I don't ask for gratitude or respect, but I do insist on 
basic good manners, and he's forfeited any chance he might ever have had 
of getting any more help from me.

-- 
Joe Zeff -- The Guy With The Sideburns:
http://www.zeff.us http://www.lasfs.info
"Always code as though the person who ends up 
maintaining it will be a violent psychopath who knows where you live."

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#619 — Re: Re (2): Where does sendmail fetch the <mailText> from?

On Tue, 20 Sep 2011 22:39:04 +0200, Aragorn wrote:

> Now *that* one is over my head. ;-)

I would explain, but as a denizen of The Scary Devil Monastery for well 
over a decade, explanations of such things are forbidden.  I will, 
however, give one of the few permissible hints: check the headers on this 
post.

-- 
Joe Zeff -- The Guy With The Sideburns:
http://www.zeff.us http://www.lasfs.info
Sometimes, if you wanted to go to the ball,
you had to be your own fairy godmother.

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#620 — Re: Re (2): Where does sendmail fetch the <mailText> from?

On Tuesday 20 September 2011 23:54 in comp.os.linux.networking, somebody
identifying as Joe Zeff wrote...

> On Tue, 20 Sep 2011 22:39:04 +0200, Aragorn wrote:
> 
>> Now *that* one is over my head. ;-)
> 
> I would explain, but as a denizen of The Scary Devil Monastery for
> well over a decade, explanations of such things are forbidden.  I
> will, however, give one of the few permissible hints: check the
> headers on this post.

Alas...  Still over my head, I'm afraid. :-/  

I see nothing that refers to poultry.  Might be some US American
cultural reference, and I'm not an American.  Just guessing, really.

-- 
Aragorn
(registered GNU/Linux user #223157)

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#638 — Re: Re (2): Where does sendmail fetch the <mailText> from?

On 2011-09-20, Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> wrote:
>
> Alas...  Still over my head, I'm afraid. :-/  

Over mine, too.  Well, the approved header must be the hint: LART

Liason for Altruistic Re-educational Therapy

which is poultry (poetry?) for:

Loser Attitude Readjustment Tool

Well, I don't get it either, but he must be a BOFH.

> I see nothing that refers to poultry.  Might be some US American
> cultural reference, and I'm not an American.  Just guessing, really.
>

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#639 — Re: Re (2): Where does sendmail fetch the <mailText> from?

On Saturday 24 September 2011 16:01 in comp.os.linux.networking,
somebody identifying as Curt wrote...

> On 2011-09-20, Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> Alas...  Still over my head, I'm afraid. :-/
> 
> Over mine, too.  Well, the approved header must be the hint: LART
> 
> Liason for Altruistic Re-educational Therapy
> 
> which is poultry (poetry?) for:
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Interesting substitution, and like I said, something like that would
indeed have completely over the heads of us non-Americans, except in
those cases where the substitution enters mainstream usage, but that is
(to my knowledge) not the case for "poultry" or "poetry".

> Loser Attitude Readjustment Tool

Heard of that, yes. ;-)

> Well, I don't get it either, [...

Well, it seems like you've nailed it nevertheless.  It all starts making
sense now. ;-)

> ...] but he must be a BOFH. 

That /is/ possible.  Maybe his real name is Simon. ;-)

-- 
Aragorn
(registered GNU/Linux user #223157)

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#621 — Re: Re (2): Where does sendmail fetch the <mailText> from?

On 2011-09-20, Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> wrote:
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> In his defense, I've never seen him nymshift - in fact, I've known him
> to go by this pseudonym for many years already - nor would I consider
> him a troll.

no.top.post is either a troll or too stupid to post to usenet.  Given
his successful posting to usenet I can only assume the former.

--keith



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#622 — Re: Re (2): Where does sendmail fetch the <mailText> from?

On Wednesday 21 September 2011 04:10 in comp.os.linux.networking,
somebody identifying as Keith Keller wrote...

> On 2011-09-20, Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> In his defense, I've never seen him nymshift - in fact, I've known
>> him to go by this pseudonym for many years already - nor would I
>> consider him a troll.
> 
> no.top.post is either a troll or too stupid to post to usenet.

Well, given how he often comes across as someone who wants other people
to do his homework assignments - even though I think that he might be
in an older age category - while at the same time he seems set on
invective about the efforts of those who try to help him, I simply
think that he's just one of those absolute jerks you come across every
now and then.

> Given his successful posting to usenet I can only assume the former.

Not really that successful anymore, given how many people killfile him
with every new thread he posts.  His audience has by now severely
thinned out.  

With his ill manners, he's digging his own Usenet grave.  In my personal
opinion, it won't be all too long anymore before nobody replies to him
still. ;-)

Your mileage may of course vary. ;-)

-- 
Aragorn
(registered GNU/Linux user #223157)

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#623 — Re: Re (2): Where does sendmail fetch the <mailText> from?

On 2011-09-21, Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> wrote:
> On Wednesday 21 September 2011 04:10 in comp.os.linux.networking,
> somebody identifying as Keith Keller wrote...
>
>> Given his successful posting to usenet I can only assume the former.
>
> Not really that successful anymore, given how many people killfile him
> with every new thread he posts.

"Successful" in this context means "able to have a post accepted by his
NNTP server", no more.  ;-)

--keith



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