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| Started by | "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> |
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| First post | 2016-04-27 15:40 -0400 |
| Last post | 2016-04-27 19:53 +0000 |
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virtual vpns and XP "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2016-04-27 15:40 -0400
Re: virtual vpns and XP "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2016-04-27 15:41 -0400
Re: virtual vpns and XP William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2016-04-27 19:59 +0000
Re: virtual vpns "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2016-04-27 16:20 -0400
Re: virtual vpns William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2016-04-27 21:48 +0000
Re: virtual vpns "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2016-04-28 13:56 -0400
Re: virtual vpns William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2016-04-28 18:39 +0000
Re: virtual vpns "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2016-04-28 14:00 -0400
Re: virtual vpns William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2016-04-28 18:41 +0000
Re: virtual vpns Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2016-04-28 21:18 +0200
Re: virtual vpns "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-04-28 20:56 +0200
Re: virtual vpns and XP William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2016-04-27 19:53 +0000
| From | "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-04-27 15:40 -0400 |
| Subject | virtual vpns and XP |
| Message-ID | <nfr4c7$uif$1@dont-email.me> |
Does anyone use or know anything about VPNs? There sisan interesting website at www.vpngate.net that allows virtual vpn access for anonymous networking. It's supposesd to be better than proxy servers. Mostly web proxy servers are what people use. And sometimes don't change their DNS servers to public ones like google for secure browsing.
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| From | "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-04-27 15:41 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <nfr4ev$urr$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #3719 |
"Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> wrote in message
news:nfr4c7$uif$1@dont-email.me...
> Does anyone use or know anything about VPNs? There sisan interesting
> website at www.vpngate.net that allows virtual vpn access for anonymous
> networking. It's supposesd to be better than proxy servers. Mostly web
> proxy servers are what people use. And sometimes don't change their DNS
> servers to public ones like google for secure browsing.
Sorry that shouldn't be XP but linux. I guess I'm asking about the
website. Has anyone used it and found it good for use?
Bill
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| From | William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> |
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| Date | 2016-04-27 19:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nfr5nk$20o$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #3720 |
On 2016-04-27, Bill Cunningham <nospam@nspam.invalid> wrote: > > "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> wrote in message > news:nfr4c7$uif$1@dont-email.me... >> Does anyone use or know anything about VPNs? There sisan interesting >> website at www.vpngate.net that allows virtual vpn access for anonymous >> networking. It's supposesd to be better than proxy servers. Mostly web >> proxy servers are what people use. And sometimes don't change their DNS >> servers to public ones like google for secure browsing. > > Sorry that shouldn't be XP but linux. I guess I'm asking about the > website. Has anyone used it and found it good for use? The problem always is how much do you trust them, and what basis do you have for tristing them. For example they could be run by say NSA or the equivalent in China/russia/.... > > Bill > >
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| From | "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-04-27 16:20 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: virtual vpns |
| Message-ID | <nfr6ng$8cb$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #3722 |
"William Unruh" <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote in message
news:nfr5nk$20o$2@dont-email.me...
> The problem always is how much do you trust them, and what basis do you
> have for tristing them. For example they could be run by say NSA or the
> equivalent in China/russia/....
Yeah I see what you mean. My fedora has openvpn. I would like to use
L2TP which is more secure than openvpn. Trust is the major issue. Would TOR
be the better thing to go with. I'm not up to anything it's just that I
think I have a right to not be watched. And have frames and payload
examined.
Bill
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| From | William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> |
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| Date | 2016-04-27 21:48 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: virtual vpns |
| Message-ID | <nfrc2g$sgl$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #3723 |
On 2016-04-27, Bill Cunningham <nospam@nspam.invalid> wrote: > > "William Unruh" <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote in message > news:nfr5nk$20o$2@dont-email.me... > >> The problem always is how much do you trust them, and what basis do you >> have for tristing them. For example they could be run by say NSA or the >> equivalent in China/russia/.... > > Yeah I see what you mean. My fedora has openvpn. I would like to use > L2TP which is more secure than openvpn. Trust is the major issue. Would TOR > be the better thing to go with. I'm not up to anything it's just that I > think I have a right to not be watched. And have frames and payload > examined. Agreed. Tor is blocked by a lot of places. Why do you claim that l2tp is more secure than openvpn? It just provides the tunnel-- no security. To see a contrary view http://www.howtogeek.com/211329/which-is-the-best-vpn-protocol-pptp-vs.-openvpn-vs.-l2tpipsec-vs.-sstp/ Of course they could just be NSA flacks, so you should really use PTPP:-) On your side, your ISP knows that you are sending traffic to the vpn. It does not know what. The VPN provider knows everything since they decrypt the traffic on their end and know what the traffic is between you and the other end. They also know what the link is between your address and the remote address you are connecting to ( unless you then go through yet another vpn). The problem is not the travelling out of your machine to the vpn server, but in that vpn server. But that is always the problem. > > Bill > > >
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| From | "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-04-28 13:56 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: virtual vpns |
| Message-ID | <nftimi$5ro$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #3724 |
"William Unruh" <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote in message
news:nfrc2g$sgl$1@dont-email.me...
> On 2016-04-27, Bill Cunningham <nospam@nspam.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> "William Unruh" <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote in message
>> news:nfr5nk$20o$2@dont-email.me...
>>
>>> The problem always is how much do you trust them, and what basis do you
>>> have for tristing them. For example they could be run by say NSA or the
>>> equivalent in China/russia/....
>>
>> Yeah I see what you mean. My fedora has openvpn. I would like to use
>> L2TP which is more secure than openvpn. Trust is the major issue. Would
>> TOR
>> be the better thing to go with. I'm not up to anything it's just that I
>> think I have a right to not be watched. And have frames and payload
>> examined.
>
> Agreed.
> Tor is blocked by a lot of places.
> Why do you claim that l2tp is more secure than openvpn? It just provides
> the tunnel-- no security.
> To see a contrary view
> http://www.howtogeek.com/211329/which-is-the-best-vpn-protocol-pptp-vs.-openvpn-vs.-l2tpipsec-vs.-sstp/
>
> Of course they could just be NSA flacks, so you should really use
> PTPP:-)
You mean point to point tunneling protocol? With linux? I thought MS
owned that.
> On your side, your ISP knows that you are sending traffic to the vpn. It
> does not know what. The VPN provider knows everything since they decrypt
> the traffic on their end and know what the traffic is between you and
> the other end. They also know what the link is between your address and
> the remote address you are connecting to ( unless you then go through
> yet another vpn).
And one VPN slows me enough. So changing resolvers to google resolvers
won't help ? My ISP will know I am not using their DNS servers. But there
other end...I wouldn't think they could find my ISP's DNS servers.
> The problem is not the travelling out of your machine to the vpn server,
> but in that vpn server. But that is always the problem.
Tor scatters stuff more I believe. But's slow too sometimes. IDK if it
changes VPNs or poxies every few seconds or not. But they have an encryption
protocol. A tunnel that goes up and down...IDK.
Bill
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| From | William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> |
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| Date | 2016-04-28 18:39 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: virtual vpns |
| Message-ID | <nftldh$e96$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #3725 |
On 2016-04-28, Bill Cunningham <nospam@nspam.invalid> wrote: > > "William Unruh" <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote in message > news:nfrc2g$sgl$1@dont-email.me... >> On 2016-04-27, Bill Cunningham <nospam@nspam.invalid> wrote: >>> >>> "William Unruh" <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote in message >>> news:nfr5nk$20o$2@dont-email.me... >>> >>>> The problem always is how much do you trust them, and what basis do you >>>> have for tristing them. For example they could be run by say NSA or the >>>> equivalent in China/russia/.... >>> >>> Yeah I see what you mean. My fedora has openvpn. I would like to use >>> L2TP which is more secure than openvpn. Trust is the major issue. Would >>> TOR >>> be the better thing to go with. I'm not up to anything it's just that I >>> think I have a right to not be watched. And have frames and payload >>> examined. >> >> Agreed. >> Tor is blocked by a lot of places. >> Why do you claim that l2tp is more secure than openvpn? It just provides >> the tunnel-- no security. >> To see a contrary view >> http://www.howtogeek.com/211329/which-is-the-best-vpn-protocol-pptp-vs.-openvpn-vs.-l2tpipsec-vs.-sstp/ >> >> Of course they could just be NSA flacks, so you should really use >> PTPP:-) > > You mean point to point tunneling protocol? With linux? I thought MS > owned that. That was a sarcastic statement. PTPP was the very weakest of the protocols they discussed. my sarcasm was that since they said it was the very weakest, if they are NSA flaks, maybe it is actually the strongest. I do not believe that at all. I tend to believe openvpn is strong enough, and according to them, stronger than p2p/ipsec But I have no expertise to evaluate. And anyway, with openvpn, the problem as I point out is the trust in the vpn server, not in the strength of the tunnel. > >> On your side, your ISP knows that you are sending traffic to the vpn. It >> does not know what. The VPN provider knows everything since they decrypt >> the traffic on their end and know what the traffic is between you and >> the other end. They also know what the link is between your address and >> the remote address you are connecting to ( unless you then go through >> yet another vpn). > > And one VPN slows me enough. So changing resolvers to google resolvers > won't help ? My ISP will know I am not using their DNS servers. But there > other end...I wouldn't think they could find my ISP's DNS servers. But they do not know whether you are not using their resolver because you are not using any resolver, or because you are using the vpn. They do know that you hooked up to the vpn-- you used their resolver to do that, and they can see that traffic is going to the vpn-- the traffice, encrypted still goes through them. And it is easy enough to figure out that the remote end actually is a vpn server. > >> The problem is not the travelling out of your machine to the vpn server, >> but in that vpn server. But that is always the problem. > > Tor scatters stuff more I believe. But's slow too sometimes. IDK if it > changes VPNs or poxies every few seconds or not. But they have an encryption > protocol. A tunnel that goes up and down...IDK. But a lot of places do accept Tor traffic, and anyway, there is still the problem of the tor server. It still sees the unencrypted traffic. Note that openvpn DOES use encryption. So none of the traffic along the pipeline can be read, except the fact that there is traffic. . > > Bill > >
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| From | "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-04-28 14:00 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: virtual vpns |
| Message-ID | <nftisi$6ik$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #3724 |
"William Unruh" <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote in message news:nfrc2g$sgl$1@dont-email.me... > On 2016-04-27, Bill Cunningham <nospam@nspam.invalid> wrote: >> >> "William Unruh" <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote in message >> news:nfr5nk$20o$2@dont-email.me... Another thing I don't trust is that selinux. I don't know what it's for, to help security or something. When I saw NSA I disabled it for good.
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| From | William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> |
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| Date | 2016-04-28 18:41 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: virtual vpns |
| Message-ID | <nftlg3$e96$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #3726 |
On 2016-04-28, Bill Cunningham <nospam@nspam.invalid> wrote: > > "William Unruh" <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote in message > news:nfrc2g$sgl$1@dont-email.me... >> On 2016-04-27, Bill Cunningham <nospam@nspam.invalid> wrote: >>> >>> "William Unruh" <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote in message >>> news:nfr5nk$20o$2@dont-email.me... > > Another thing I don't trust is that selinux. I don't know what it's for, to > help security or something. When I saw NSA I disabled it for good. One of the NSA mandates is to protect comminications of US companies/citizens/etc. And selinux is open source, so it could be audited to see if there are any backdoors. I do not know if they have been. > >
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| From | Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-04-28 21:18 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: virtual vpns |
| Message-ID | <nftnfp$o7s$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #3728 |
On Thursday 28 Apr 2016 20:41, William Unruh conveyed the following to
comp.os.linux.networking...
> On 2016-04-28, Bill Cunningham <nospam@nspam.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> "William Unruh" <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote in message
>> news:nfrc2g$sgl$1@dont-email.me...
>>> On 2016-04-27, Bill Cunningham <nospam@nspam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "William Unruh" <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote in message
>>>> news:nfr5nk$20o$2@dont-email.me...
>>
>> Another thing I don't trust is that selinux. I don't know what it's
>> for, to help security or something. When I saw NSA I disabled it for
>> good.
>
> One of the NSA mandates is to protect comminications of US
> companies/citizens/etc. And selinux is open source, so it could be
> audited to see if there are any backdoors. I do not know if they have
> been.
Linus has vetted the code. It does not contain any backdoors, but he
did confirm that the NSA have asked him to put a backdoor in the kernel
(and that he has refused to do so).
--
= Aragorn =
http://www.linuxcounter.net - registrant #223157
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> |
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| Date | 2016-04-28 20:56 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: virtual vpns |
| Message-ID | <cv2avc-bir.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #3726 |
On 2016-04-28 20:00, Bill Cunningham wrote: > "William Unruh" <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote in message > news:nfrc2g$sgl$1@dont-email.me... >> On 2016-04-27, Bill Cunningham <nospam@nspam.invalid> wrote: >>> >>> "William Unruh" <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote in message >>> news:nfr5nk$20o$2@dont-email.me... > > Another thing I don't trust is that selinux. I don't know what it's for, to > help security or something. When I saw NSA I disabled it for good. Then you should read it up, because it is nothing related to what you think. Start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security-Enhanced_Linux -- Cheers, Carlos. --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news@netfront.net ---
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| From | William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> |
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| Date | 2016-04-27 19:53 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nfr5ar$20o$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #3719 |
On 2016-04-27, Bill Cunningham <nospam@nspam.invalid> wrote: > Does anyone use or know anything about VPNs? There sisan interesting > website at www.vpngate.net that allows virtual vpn access for anonymous > networking. It's supposesd to be better than proxy servers. Mostly web proxy > servers are what people use. And sometimes don't change their DNS servers to > public ones like google for secure browsing. I think you need to be more specific about your questions. Also, XP is not a Linux system, so help with XP and vpns would probably be better from other newsgroups. Lots of people use VPNs. > >
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