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  Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? Joe Domack <jdomack@example.org> - 2015-02-16 01:18 +0000
    Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? Big_Al <Big_al@invalid.com> - 2015-02-15 20:33 -0500
      Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? "David E. Ross" <nobody@nowhere.invalid> - 2015-02-15 20:22 -0800
        Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? Paul in Houston TX <Paul@Houston.Texas> - 2015-02-15 22:31 -0600
          Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? Joe Domack <jdomack@example.org> - 2015-02-16 07:02 +0000
            Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-02-16 06:03 -0500
          Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-02-16 09:58 +0100
        Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? Joe Domack <jdomack@example.org> - 2015-02-16 07:00 +0000
        Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2015-02-16 14:02 -0600
          Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? Joe Domack <jdomack@example.org> - 2015-02-16 21:29 +0000
      Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? Joe Domack <jdomack@example.org> - 2015-02-16 06:57 +0000
      Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public   vpn servers? Mike Barnes <mikebarnes333@gmail.com> - 2015-02-16 07:51 +0000
        Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public   vpn servers? Joe Domack <jdomack@example.org> - 2015-02-16 07:53 +0000
    Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? Paul in Houston TX <Paul@Houston.Texas> - 2015-02-15 20:30 -0600
      Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? Joe Domack <jdomack@example.org> - 2015-02-16 07:06 +0000
        Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? Paul in Houston TX <Paul@Houston.Texas> - 2015-02-16 01:24 -0600
          Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? Joe Domack <jdomack@example.org> - 2015-02-16 07:35 +0000
            Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2015-02-16 13:54 -0600
              Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? Joe Domack <jdomack@example.org> - 2015-02-16 21:42 +0000
                Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? Tom Roche <tom_roche@pobox.com> - 2015-03-10 09:45 -0700
      Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? richard <noreply@example.com> - 2015-02-16 13:49 -0500
        Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? Joe Domack <jdomack@example.org> - 2015-02-16 21:48 +0000
          Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? richard <noreply@example.com> - 2015-02-16 23:40 -0500
    Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2015-02-16 04:00 +0000
    Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-02-16 05:58 +0000
      Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? Joe Domack <jdomack@example.org> - 2015-02-16 07:10 +0000
      Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? Joe Domack <jdomack@example.org> - 2015-02-16 08:04 +0000
        Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2015-02-16 10:22 +0200
          Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? Joe Domack <jdomack@example.org> - 2015-02-16 15:30 +0000
            Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-02-16 16:45 +0100
              Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? Joe Domack <jdomack@example.org> - 2015-02-16 15:56 +0000
                Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-02-16 17:07 +0100
    Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? Stormin' Norman <norman@schwarzkopf.invalid> - 2015-02-16 15:07 +0000
    Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? "BillyRay0808 USA VP 2016" <postsmaster@mynews.gateway.pace.com> - 2015-02-17 13:10 -0600
    Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? Joe Domack <jdomack@example.org> - 2015-02-19 04:35 +0000

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#3264

On Sun, 15 Feb 2015 20:30:15 -0600, Paul in Houston TX wrote:

> Joe Domack wrote:
>> My IP address is static, and has been for the past five years.
>> 
>> I just want a rotating IP address so that all the web sites I visit, 
>> and all the NNTP servers I use, and all the SMTP/POP/IMAP servers I 
>> I use, and all the FTP servers I upload or download from, and
>> all the P2P clients I download or upload from, etc., wouldn't all 
>> have the same IP address to correlate all these actions to.
>> 
>> Of course, I could *change ISPs daily* (if that were feasible), 
>> but my ISP choices are severely limited so, it's not a feasible
>> option to change ISPs (like the NetZero free ISP used to do).
>> 
>> But, I'm NOT a Linux guru; so maybe there is a way???
>> 
>> To that end, I ask the basic question:
>> 
>>  Is there any other way to get a different IP address (at least
>>  daily or weekly) other than to use a series of public VPN servers?
> 
> Turn off your internet connection devices for a day and see.
> Might want to reset them, too.

Why not ask the owner of the system if they can rotate ths ip's every few
days?

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#3270

On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 13:49:26 -0500, richard wrote:

> Why not ask the owner of the system if they can rotate ths ip's every few
> days?

That is a *perfectly valid* question, and one that I *have* explored.
He is a small WISP. He has fewer than 100 customers, and, he explained to 
me once, a key reason for the static IP addresses is that it allows him
two things.

Mind you, by the way, he *loves* talking technical, so, he inundates me
with jargon every time I talk to him (which is maybe once every six months
when the wind blows down an antenna or something) - so this is only what
I "got" out of his technical-nerd conversation.

But, I remember three things distinctly:

1. He said it doesn't cost all that much, and, 
2. He said it offloads his routers, which makes his network faster, and, 
3. He said the record companies drive him crazy with automated requests
to tell people to stop downloading copyright-protected movies.

He said, without a static IP address and a home router, it drives him 
nuts (he has zero support personnel) because he has to find who it is
and then send them the nastigram or whatever it is that he sends them.

BTW, the free public VPN server must get the same notice when folks use
P2P. Has anyone ever experienced that? Do these free public VPN services
actually bother to send the notice to the people using their service?

All they know is your IP address (unless of course, they look into your
email and other content).

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#3271

On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 21:48:39 +0000 (UTC), Joe Domack wrote:

> On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 13:49:26 -0500, richard wrote:
> 
>> Why not ask the owner of the system if they can rotate ths ip's every few
>> days?
> 
> That is a *perfectly valid* question, and one that I *have* explored.
> He is a small WISP. He has fewer than 100 customers, and, he explained to 
> me once, a key reason for the static IP addresses is that it allows him
> two things.
> 
> Mind you, by the way, he *loves* talking technical, so, he inundates me
> with jargon every time I talk to him (which is maybe once every six months
> when the wind blows down an antenna or something) - so this is only what
> I "got" out of his technical-nerd conversation.
> 
> But, I remember three things distinctly:
> 
> 1. He said it doesn't cost all that much, and, 
> 2. He said it offloads his routers, which makes his network faster, and, 
> 3. He said the record companies drive him crazy with automated requests
> to tell people to stop downloading copyright-protected movies.
> 
> He said, without a static IP address and a home router, it drives him 
> nuts (he has zero support personnel) because he has to find who it is
> and then send them the nastigram or whatever it is that he sends them.
> 
> BTW, the free public VPN server must get the same notice when folks use
> P2P. Has anyone ever experienced that? Do these free public VPN services
> actually bother to send the notice to the people using their service?
> 
> All they know is your IP address (unless of course, they look into your
> email and other content).

The only way they can legally enforce the copyright laws is by knwoing that
IP's home address. They can only get that with a court order.And then, by
law, only the true copyright holder can enforce the law. Not some
organization like the RIAA.

While the RIAA loves to clamp down, they should go after the websites that
allow the downloads. On my music website I have the proper licenses to act
as a broadcaster, but make it so the music can't be downloaded directly.
Hell, I can find dozens of coprighted moveis and hundreds of tv shows on
youtube without any problems.

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#3243

On 2015-02-16, Joe Domack <jdomack@example.org> wrote:
> My IP address is static, and has been for the past five years.
>
> I just want a rotating IP address so that all the web sites I visit, 
> and all the NNTP servers I use, and all the SMTP/POP/IMAP servers I 
> I use, and all the FTP servers I upload or download from, and
> all the P2P clients I download or upload from, etc., wouldn't all 
> have the same IP address to correlate all these actions to.
>
> Of course, I could *change ISPs daily* (if that were feasible), 
> but my ISP choices are severely limited so, it's not a feasible
> option to change ISPs (like the NetZero free ISP used to do).
>
> But, I'm NOT a Linux guru; so maybe there is a way???
>
> To that end, I ask the basic question:
>
>  Is there any other way to get a different IP address (at least
>  daily or weekly) other than to use a series of public VPN servers?

Nothing has changed in the last six weeks

the answer is the smae, and the cross-post is not appreciated.

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#3245

On 2015-02-16, Joe Domack <jdomack@example.org> wrote:
> My IP address is static, and has been for the past five years.
>
> I just want a rotating IP address so that all the web sites I visit, 
> and all the NNTP servers I use, and all the SMTP/POP/IMAP servers I 
> I use, and all the FTP servers I upload or download from, and
> all the P2P clients I download or upload from, etc., wouldn't all 
> have the same IP address to correlate all these actions to.
>
> Of course, I could *change ISPs daily* (if that were feasible), 
> but my ISP choices are severely limited so, it's not a feasible
> option to change ISPs (like the NetZero free ISP used to do).
>
> But, I'm NOT a Linux guru; so maybe there is a way???
>
> To that end, I ask the basic question:
>
>  Is there any other way to get a different IP address (at least
>  daily or weekly) other than to use a series of public VPN servers?

Short answer is no. Medium is -- well if your isp does dhcp and really
switches your IP (many do not) then maybe but of course that would all
have your ISPs address, and your ISPs records would be able to connect
them to you. And your ISP could also connect your going to the public
VPN site. (Of course since you seem to be developing a full blown case
of paranoia, how do you know that those public VPN sites are not run by
the CIA/FBI/NSA/KGB/CISIS/GHCQ/.... and they can watch all of your
traffic going by. 

Remember the purposes of addresses is to get packets to you. 
The best way to stay secret is to stop "all the web sites I visit, 
 and all the NNTP servers I use, and all the SMTP/POP/IMAP servers I 
 I use, and all the FTP servers I upload or download from, and
 all the P2P clients I download or upload from, etc.,"

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#3250

On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 05:58:22 +0000, William Unruh wrote:

> Short answer is no.

I'm surprised that I came up with the only viable answer, on my own, 
as you guys know far more about networking than I do.

But, if using a public vpn server is the *only* way to change the 
IP address (short of making a deal with the WISP to constantly change 
it for me, which is really not going to happen), then, that's what it
is.

I'm just surprised that I came up with the only viable answer, 
since there almost always is a better way than the way that first
comes to mind.

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#3255

On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 05:58:22 +0000, William Unruh wrote:

> The best way to stay secret is to stop "all the web sites I visit,

I'm not gonna disagree with you that the best way to stay secret
is to turn off the computer, and rip down my WISP WiFi antenna.
 http://i58.tinypic.com/ea1lph.jpg

But, there must be a more graceful way to change IP addresses 
than to have to choose from a half dozen or more public VPN 
services.

One way I know of, but it's immoral, is to glom off any of my 
neighbors who don't use high encryption on their home broadband
routers, but that's not something I would ever do.

Likewise, I can travel to a coffeeshop or library, which works, 
but, that's a bit of effort for privacy (and it has its own
inherencies to it, such as the inevitable cameras and the 
fact you're now doing something in a public place, so you're
even less protected than you were at home).

Since our WiFi radios can connect at 2.4 GHz or 5 GHz with
radios 15 miles away, I could also aim my dish at an unsuspecting
transceiver but, even if I were to skip the moral implications, 
I'd still need to figure out how to connect to their network, 
as usually there are authentication issues like being on the 
same subnet even if there is no login/password challenge.

Of course, since my radio is the powerful one, and currently 
I'm connected to an even more powerful radio than mine is, 
the problem is that I'd be connecting to a far weaker radio
in this case.

Since I'd be connecting to a far weaker radio (e.g., it might 
be someone's puny home broadband router two or three miles away), 
the antenna is all that really matters, and the receiver sensitivity, 
both of which are pretty good in my case (and I can get better).

But, glomming onto someone else's unprotected broadband router
isn't my way, so, I'm trying to change my IP address, from home, 
a legitimate way.

The *only* way I can think of (besides changing ISPs every few 
weeks or so) is to switch to public vpn servers.

But, I can't be such a genius that I figure out, on the first 
pass, the only way something as common as wanting to change your
IP address is.

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#3256

On 16.2.15 10:04, Joe Domack wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 05:58:22 +0000, William Unruh wrote:
>
>> The best way to stay secret is to stop "all the web sites I visit,
>
> I'm not gonna disagree with you that the best way to stay secret
> is to turn off the computer, and rip down my WISP WiFi antenna.
>   http://i58.tinypic.com/ea1lph.jpg
>
> But, there must be a more graceful way to change IP addresses
> than to have to choose from a half dozen or more public VPN
> services.
>
> One way I know of, but it's immoral, is to glom off any of my
> neighbors who don't use high encryption on their home broadband
> routers, but that's not something I would ever do.
>
> Likewise, I can travel to a coffeeshop or library, which works,
> but, that's a bit of effort for privacy (and it has its own
> inherencies to it, such as the inevitable cameras and the
> fact you're now doing something in a public place, so you're
> even less protected than you were at home).
>
> Since our WiFi radios can connect at 2.4 GHz or 5 GHz with
> radios 15 miles away, I could also aim my dish at an unsuspecting
> transceiver but, even if I were to skip the moral implications,
> I'd still need to figure out how to connect to their network,
> as usually there are authentication issues like being on the
> same subnet even if there is no login/password challenge.
>
> Of course, since my radio is the powerful one, and currently
> I'm connected to an even more powerful radio than mine is,
> the problem is that I'd be connecting to a far weaker radio
> in this case.
>
> Since I'd be connecting to a far weaker radio (e.g., it might
> be someone's puny home broadband router two or three miles away),
> the antenna is all that really matters, and the receiver sensitivity,
> both of which are pretty good in my case (and I can get better).
>
> But, glomming onto someone else's unprotected broadband router
> isn't my way, so, I'm trying to change my IP address, from home,
> a legitimate way.
>
> The *only* way I can think of (besides changing ISPs every few
> weeks or so) is to switch to public vpn servers.
>
> But, I can't be such a genius that I figure out, on the first
> pass, the only way something as common as wanting to change your
> IP address is.
>


Have you thought about the Tor network?

-- 

-TV

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#3260

On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 10:22:43 +0200, Tauno Voipio wrote:

> Have you thought about the Tor network?

AFAIK, Tor is designed only for the http protocol.

I tried, at times, to get TOR to work with other protocols, such as 
nntp, ftp, ptp, smtp, pop3, etc., but I never could figure out all
the settings (socks5 stuff involved).

If someone here has figured that out, that would work perfectly, 
but, it's complicated as hell, last I tried (and failed).

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#3261

On 16/02/15 16:30, Joe Domack wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 10:22:43 +0200, Tauno Voipio wrote:
> 
>> Have you thought about the Tor network?
> 
> AFAIK, Tor is designed only for the http protocol.
> 
> I tried, at times, to get TOR to work with other protocols, such as 
> nntp, ftp, ptp, smtp, pop3, etc., but I never could figure out all
> the settings (socks5 stuff involved).
> 
> If someone here has figured that out, that would work perfectly, 
> but, it's complicated as hell, last I tried (and failed).
> 

Tor handles any port, and it's not difficult to use (though it's a long
time ago since I tried it).  But of course you might have trouble
accessing some services using it - your ISP's SMTP server, for example,
might only accept connections from your normal IP address.

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#3262

On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 16:45:28 +0100, David Brown wrote:

> Tor handles any port, and it's not difficult to use (though it's a long
> time ago since I tried it).  

Your statement that Tor handles any port is probably true, but, I
have tried to get Tor to work with NNTP and it's miserable and 
fraught with failure.

If you find it easy to use for other ports, then you either have a
wonderful DIY that I will ask you for, or, you're a far better 
informed person than anyone else on this ng because I doubt
anyone on this entire ng has ever successfully set up Tor with nntp.

If they have, then I will try right now, and I will ask real questions
of them, because, in my humble experience, it will fail every time
as there is no good setup DIY for Windows or Linux that I know of
that actually works (last I tried, the socks5 stuff killed me).

> you might have trouble accessing some services using it - your ISP's 
> SMTP server, for example, might only accept connections from your 
> normal IP address.

Trust me, I know all about the "trouble" changing an IP address 
causes Gmail, for example.

Gmail in Thunderbird has a horrid time accepting *any* changes to 
the IP address. Constantly it locks me out, and asks for verification
details. I have set Gmail to *not* ask for all those details, but, it
still does, even without using Tor (but using a public VPN server).

With Tor and using the horrid Gmail web interface, it's just worse, 
because Gmail doesn't like Tor nodes for the same reason it doesn't
like public vpn servers, only far far worse.

Many web sites will block Tor nodes automatically (as they also block
public vpn server sites automatically). 

So, yes, I know all about trouble changing the IP address.

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#3263

On 16/02/15 16:56, Joe Domack wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 16:45:28 +0100, David Brown wrote:
> 
>> Tor handles any port, and it's not difficult to use (though it's a long
>> time ago since I tried it).  
> 
> Your statement that Tor handles any port is probably true, but, I
> have tried to get Tor to work with NNTP and it's miserable and 
> fraught with failure.
> 
> If you find it easy to use for other ports, then you either have a
> wonderful DIY that I will ask you for, or, you're a far better 
> informed person than anyone else on this ng because I doubt
> anyone on this entire ng has ever successfully set up Tor with nntp.
> 
> If they have, then I will try right now, and I will ask real questions
> of them, because, in my humble experience, it will fail every time
> as there is no good setup DIY for Windows or Linux that I know of
> that actually works (last I tried, the socks5 stuff killed me).
> 

First, it's a long time since I used TOR - and I didn't use it very
much.  Secondly, I can't think why it would be important to use it for
NNTP.  I can understand HTTP, DNS, Bittorrent, perhaps email, and
several other services one might want to keep anonymous.  But I don't
get why you would want NNTP to be secret.

What /is/ certain is that if you want to keep yourself and your accesses
secret, drop Windows.  Even with Linux, you should be a little careful
about your choice of distro (avoid Ubuntu, for example).  And you should
probably then install VirtualBox (or KVM) and run your secret machine
within the virtual machine, making sure that all traffic from the
virtual machine is routed through the Tor interface on the host.

>> you might have trouble accessing some services using it - your ISP's 
>> SMTP server, for example, might only accept connections from your 
>> normal IP address.
> 
> Trust me, I know all about the "trouble" changing an IP address 
> causes Gmail, for example.
> 
> Gmail in Thunderbird has a horrid time accepting *any* changes to 
> the IP address. Constantly it locks me out, and asks for verification
> details. I have set Gmail to *not* ask for all those details, but, it
> still does, even without using Tor (but using a public VPN server).

What is the point in trying to access gmail - a service run by Google,
who like to track everything - from a hidden IP?  What are you actually
trying to achieve here?  At best, you might be able to hide your use of
gmail from your ISP.

If you were using some secure and anonymising email server for
whistleblowing, I could understand you - but gmail?

> 
> With Tor and using the horrid Gmail web interface, it's just worse, 
> because Gmail doesn't like Tor nodes for the same reason it doesn't
> like public vpn servers, only far far worse.
> 
> Many web sites will block Tor nodes automatically (as they also block
> public vpn server sites automatically). 
> 
> So, yes, I know all about trouble changing the IP address.
> 

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#3259

On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 01:18:36 +0000 (UTC), Joe Domack <jdomack@example.org>
wrote:

>My IP address is static, and has been for the past five years.
>
>I just want a rotating IP address so that all the web sites I visit, 
>and all the NNTP servers I use, and all the SMTP/POP/IMAP servers I 
>I use, and all the FTP servers I upload or download from, and
>all the P2P clients I download or upload from, etc., wouldn't all 
>have the same IP address to correlate all these actions to.
>
>Of course, I could *change ISPs daily* (if that were feasible), 
>but my ISP choices are severely limited so, it's not a feasible
>option to change ISPs (like the NetZero free ISP used to do).
>
>But, I'm NOT a Linux guru; so maybe there is a way???
>
>To that end, I ask the basic question:
>
> Is there any other way to get a different IP address (at least
> daily or weekly) other than to use a series of public VPN servers?

Do you have an objection to using TOR?

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#3274

"Joe Domack" <jdomack@example.org> wrote in message 
news:mbrghb$9cj$1@news.mixmin.net...
> My IP address is static, and has been for the past five years.
>
> I just want a rotating IP address so that all the web sites I visit,
> and all the NNTP servers I use, and all the SMTP/POP/IMAP servers I
> I use, and all the FTP servers I upload or download from, and
> all the P2P clients I download or upload from, etc., wouldn't all
> have the same IP address to correlate all these actions to.
> Of course, I could *change ISPs daily* (if that were feasible),
> but my ISP choices are severely limited so, it's not a feasible
> option to change ISPs (like the NetZero free ISP used to do).
> But, I'm NOT a Linux guru; so maybe there is a way???
> To that end, I ask the basic question:
> Is there any other way to get a different IP address (at least
> daily or weekly) other than to use a series of public VPN servers?
>

        Configure
 The Internet  Router
  Not The Computer

*change different ISPs address daily*
     Home Land be Looking at you 

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#3275

On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 11:16:14 -0500, al wrote:

> Is the free version of "HOLA" of any help?
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hola_%28VPN%29

First question is what the heck is HOLA...

So, reading that referenced wiki article ... I find ...huh ?  wha...?

HOLA seems to be a shared VPN where your computer is part of the VPN network?
Hmmmmmmmmm... what does that mean? Reading on ... 

So, after reading about it, HOLA seems to be a shared-VPN where you, and
ten thousand of your best friends, decide to share your IP addresses.

So, I guess, if I participate, "my" IP address will be used, at times, 
while I'll be using any of my 10,000 best friends' IP addresses at times.

Is that how it works?

One problem, of course, is that it appears to only be for the HTTP protocol, 
so, if I understand it correctly, it's a substitute for TOR, but, not 
for VPN (which handles all ports).

Do I have the gist of HOLA correct?bb

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