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  snownews: HOW2 access cache ? no.top.post@gmail.com - 2012-05-24 12:46 +0000
    Re: snownews: HOW2 access cache ? Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2012-05-24 16:27 +0000
      Re (2): snownews: HOW2 access cache ? no.top.post@gmail.com - 2012-05-25 16:51 +0000
        Re: Re (2): snownews: HOW2 access cache ? Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2012-05-26 16:22 +0000
          Re (3): snownews: HOW2 access cache ? no.top.post@gmail.com - 2012-05-27 06:09 +0000
            Re: Re (3): snownews: HOW2 access cache ? Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2012-05-27 18:48 +0000
              Re (4): snownews: HOW2 access cache ? no.top.post@gmail.com - 2012-05-31 08:07 +0000
              Re (4): snownews: HOW2 access cache ? no.top.post@gmail.com - 2012-05-31 09:12 +0000
                Re: Re (4): snownews: HOW2 access cache ? Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2012-05-31 13:32 +0000
                  Re (5): snownews: HOW2 access cache ? no.top.post@gmail.com - 2012-06-02 17:25 +0000
                    Re: Re (5): snownews: HOW2 access cache ? Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2012-06-03 14:24 +0000
                  Re (5): snownews: HOW2 access cache ? no.top.post@gmail.com - 2012-06-03 11:07 +0000
                    Re: Re (5): snownews: HOW2 access cache ? Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2012-06-03 14:07 +0000
                      Re (6): snownews: HOW2 access cache ? no.top.post@gmail.com - 2012-06-03 17:40 +0000
                        Re: Re (6): snownews: HOW2 access cache ? Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2012-06-04 20:03 +0000
      Re (2): snownews: HOW2 access cache ? no.top.post@gmail.com - 2012-05-25 16:51 +0000

#1394 — snownews: HOW2 access cache ?

On advice from this forum I've started using `snownews`.
It's minimal interface is nice.
But I can't see how to continue with the already selected feeds, after I reboot.

Although there IS a cache file, with the feeeds that I had previously selected,
the menu only shows <add new feed> and no <show subscribed feeds>.

Obviously, you need to be able to continue with the feeds and article-headers
previously down-loaded.
  
Googling showed the bellow re 'newsbeuter'; which introduces the notion of
<how to use the cache>. 

> From version 0.4 on, newsbeuter contains support for Snownews extensions.
>  -c <cachefile>  use <cachefile> as cache file    <--- *!
>  -I <file>       import list of read articles from <file>


== TIA

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#1396

On 2012-05-24, no.top.post@gmail.com <no.top.post@gmail.com> wrote:
> On advice from this forum I've started using `snownews`.
> It's minimal interface is nice.
> But I can't see how to continue with the already selected feeds, after I reboot.
>
> Although there IS a cache file, with the feeeds that I had previously selected,
> the menu only shows <add new feed> and no <show subscribed feeds>.
>
> Obviously, you need to be able to continue with the feeds and article-headers
> previously down-loaded.

When you run snownews, you should see a list of subscribed feeds.  To
refresh all feeds, hit R; for help, hit h.  There are screenshots here
<https://kiza.kcore.de/software/snownews/screenshot>.

> Googling showed the bellow re 'newsbeuter'; which introduces the notion of
> <how to use the cache>. 
>
>> From version 0.4 on, newsbeuter contains support for Snownews extensions.
>>  -c <cachefile>  use <cachefile> as cache file    <--- *!
>>  -I <file>       import list of read articles from <file>
>
>
> == TIA

The instructions for some other piece of software aren't likely to help  ;))

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#1404 — Re (2): snownews: HOW2 access cache ?

In article <slrnjrsoc4.q3.catwheezel@ID-107770.user.individual.net>, Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> wrote: 

> On 2012-05-24, no.top.post@gmail.com <no.top.post@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On advice from this forum I've started using `snownews`.
> > It's minimal interface is nice.
> > But I can't see how to continue with the already selected feeds, after I reboot.
> >
> > Although there IS a cache file, with the feeeds that I had previously selected,
> > the menu only shows <add new feed> and no <show subscribed feeds>.
> >
> > Obviously, you need to be able to continue with the feeds and article-headers
> > previously down-loaded.
> 
> When you run snownews, you should see a list of subscribed feeds.  To
> refresh all feeds, hit R; for help, hit h.  

Is it unrealistic to hope to use it a bit like a newsreader:
1. to be able to d/l the header list of a URL once-only & cache it.
2. to be able to d/l the articles corresponding to headers once-only & cache them.

When I've got one blog 'open for replying', I want to have time to compose
a serious text, and not just do-a-twitter-kiddie.  So I'd want to be able to open
others, at the same time. But `snowman` allows only 1 pid=<snowman>.

Can you get around this; perhaps one per user ?

== TIA.

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#1414 — Re: Re (2): snownews: HOW2 access cache ?

On 2012-05-25, no.top.post@gmail.com <no.top.post@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <slrnjrsoc4.q3.catwheezel@ID-107770.user.individual.net>,
> Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> wrote: 
>> On 2012-05-24, no.top.post@gmail.com <no.top.post@gmail.com> wrote:

[...]

>> When you run snownews, you should see a list of subscribed feeds.  To
>> refresh all feeds, hit R; for help, hit h.  
>
> Is it unrealistic to hope to use it a bit like a newsreader:
> 1. to be able to d/l the header list of a URL once-only & cache it.
> 2. to be able to d/l the articles corresponding to headers once-only &
> cache them.
>
> When I've got one blog 'open for replying', I want to have time to compose
> a serious text, and not just do-a-twitter-kiddie.  So I'd want to be
> able to open others, at the same time. But `snowman` allows only 1
> pid=<snowman>.
>
> Can you get around this; perhaps one per user ?
>
> == TIA.

I'm not sure what your problem is; if you're looking at a web page
you're no longer using Snownews - you're using a web browser.  Snownews
is perfectly happy to tell your browser to start a new window or tab to
open another web page, so you can have as many web pages open at once as
you like (or your system allows).  

Those browser tabs or windows will remain open until you specifically
close each one, or kill all browser instances.  If you're having
difficulty with switching between browser windows or between the browser
and Snownews, then you should look at your browser settings or your
underlying system set-up.

If you're using a Linux or Unix console without a GUI, consider the
utility called "Screen", which allows multiple independent sessions (for
the same user) within the one console; that will allow you to switch
easily between a multitude of applications or different instances of the
same application.  

If you're using Snownews' default browser, "Lynx", consider using
"Elinks" instead (which supports tabs), or one of the graphical browsers
if you have a GUI.

A completely different approach, which might suit you very well, is to
use the <http://gwene.org/> service to provide a 'feed' you can
subscribe to using your usenet client.

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--  Whiskers 
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#1417 — Re (3): snownews: HOW2 access cache ?

In article <slrnjs20ri.qj.catwheezel@ID-107770.user.individual.net>, Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> wrote: 

> On 2012-05-25, no.top.post@gmail.com <no.top.post@gmail.com> wrote:
> > In article <slrnjrsoc4.q3.catwheezel@ID-107770.user.individual.net>,
> > Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> wrote: 
> >> On 2012-05-24, no.top.post@gmail.com <no.top.post@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> >> When you run snownews, you should see a list of subscribed feeds.  To
> >> refresh all feeds, hit R; for help, hit h.  
> >
> > Is it unrealistic to hope to use it a bit like a newsreader:
> > 1. to be able to d/l the header list of a URL once-only & cache it.
> > 2. to be able to d/l the articles corresponding to headers once-only &
> > cache them.
> >
> > When I've got one blog 'open for replying', I want to have time to compose
> > a serious text, and not just do-a-twitter-kiddie.  So I'd want to be
> > able to open others, at the same time. But `snowman` allows only 1
> > pid=<snowman>.
> >
> > Can you get around this; perhaps one per user ?
> >
> > == TIA.
> 
> I'm not sure what your problem is; if you're looking at a web page
> you're no longer using Snownews - you're using a web browser.  
I'm using snownews on your recommendation.
Do YOU know how to use it without the limitations of 'a browser'?

> Snownews
> is perfectly happy to tell your browser to start a new window or tab to
> open another web page, so you can have as many web pages open at once as
> you like (or your system allows).  
> 
> Those browser tabs or windows will remain open until you specifically
> close each one, or kill all browser instances.  If you're having
> difficulty with switching between browser windows or between the browser
> and Snownews, then you should look at your browser settings or your
> underlying system set-up.
> 
> If you're using a Linux or Unix console without a GUI, consider the
> utility called "Screen", which allows multiple independent sessions (for
> the same user) within the one console; that will allow you to switch
> easily between a multitude of applications or different instances of the
> same application.  
> 
> If you're using Snownews' default browser, "Lynx", consider using
> "Elinks" instead (which supports tabs), or one of the graphical browsers
> if you have a GUI.
> 
OK, I've only got elinks on an old partition/installation,
and <set browser used> to `chroot /mnt/p14 /usr/bin/elinks`,
may have problems.

A serious limitation of snownews: that you can't have multiple copies
running simultaneously,  like you can with links, lynxs ..etc.; has for me
no obvious good reason.

> A completely different approach, which might suit you very well, is to
> use the <http://gwene.org/> service to provide a 'feed' you can
> subscribe to using your usenet client.
> -- 
OK, I'm looking into that.

Thanks.

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#1421 — Re: Re (3): snownews: HOW2 access cache ?

On 2012-05-27, no.top.post@gmail.com <no.top.post@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <slrnjs20ri.qj.catwheezel@ID-107770.user.individual.net>,
> Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> wrote: 

[...]

>> I'm not sure what your problem is; if you're looking at a web page
>> you're no longer using Snownews - you're using a web browser.  
> 
> I'm using snownews on your recommendation.
> Do YOU know how to use it without the limitations of 'a browser'?

Snownews requires a web browser for display of web pages; Snownews can 
only display the "description" of the web page concerned, if there is 
one, not the page itself.

[...]

>> If you're using Snownews' default browser, "Lynx", consider using
>> "Elinks" instead (which supports tabs), or one of the graphical browsers
>> if you have a GUI.
>> 
> OK, I've only got elinks on an old partition/installation,
> and <set browser used> to `chroot /mnt/p14 /usr/bin/elinks`,
> may have problems.

If you can install Snownews, you can install elinks - or midori or 
dillo or Opera ...

> A serious limitation of snownews: that you can't have multiple copies
> running simultaneously,  like you can with links, lynxs ..etc.; has for me
> no obvious good reason.

As Snownews only lists 'current' articles and links to the web page 
where you actually read and respond using your web browser, I can't see 
why more than one instance of Snownews would serve any purpose.  But if 
you want it as a feature, by all means contact the creator/maintainer 
of the program.

>> A completely different approach, which might suit you very well, is to
>> use the <http://gwene.org/> service to provide a 'feed' you can
>> subscribe to using your usenet client.
> 
> OK, I'm looking into that.
>
> Thanks.

You'll still be using a web browser to access the web pages and 
respond.

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#1432 — Re (4): snownews: HOW2 access cache ?

In article <slrnjs4to1.2jh.catwheezel@ID-107770.user.individual.net>, Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> wrote: 

> On 2012-05-27, no.top.post@gmail.com <no.top.post@gmail.com> wrote:
> > In article <slrnjs20ri.qj.catwheezel@ID-107770.user.individual.net>,
> > Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> wrote: 
> 
> [...]
> 
> >> I'm not sure what your problem is; if you're looking at a web page
> >> you're no longer using Snownews - you're using a web browser.  
> > 
> > I'm using snownews on your recommendation.
> > Do YOU know how to use it without the limitations of 'a browser'?
> 
> Snownews requires a web browser for display of web pages; Snownews can 
> only display the "description" of the web page concerned, if there is 
> one, not the page itself.
> 
> [...]
> 
> >> If you're using Snownews' default browser, "Lynx", consider using
> >> "Elinks" instead (which supports tabs), or one of the graphical browsers
> >> if you have a GUI.
> >> 
> > OK, I've only got elinks on an old partition/installation,
> > and <set browser used> to `chroot /mnt/p14 /usr/bin/elinks`,
> > may have problems.
> 
> If you can install Snownews, you can install elinks - or midori or 
> dillo or Opera ...
> 
Yes, I can walk a thousand miles. But you sold me snownews and
now you want me to buy an extara browser before i can use snowy.

> > A serious limitation of snownews: that you can't have multiple copies
> > running simultaneously,  like you can with links, lynxs ..etc.; has for me
> > no obvious good reason.
> 
> As Snownews only lists 'current' articles and links to the web page 
> where you actually read and respond using your web browser, I can't see 
> why more than one instance of Snownews would serve any purpose.  But if 
> you want it as a feature, by all means contact the creator/maintainer 
> of the program.
> 
> >> A completely different approach, which might suit you very well, is to
> >> use the <http://gwene.org/> service to provide a 'feed' you can
> >> subscribe to using your usenet client.
> > 
> > OK, I'm looking into that.
> >
> > Thanks.
> 
> You'll still be using a web browser to access the web pages and 
> respond.
> 
> .
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> From: Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com>
> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.networking
> Subject: Re: Re (2): Pasting between different size auto-wrappers?
> Date: 27 May 2012 18:21:53 GMT
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> On 2012-05-27, no.top.post@gmail.com <no.top.post@gmail.com> wrote:
> > In article <slrnjs21lt.qj.catwheezel@ID-107770.user.individual.net>,
> > Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> wrote: 
> >> On 2012-05-25, no.top.post@gmail.com <no.top.post@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> > Pasting from a normal editor, where you have determined where the
> >> > line-breaks occur, will likely mess the appearance of your text, if
> >> > your chosen line length exceeds that of the browser. 
> >> >
> >> > AFAICS the act-of-pasting automatically places a line-break according
> >> > to the appearance of the paste-source.  So you CAN'T achieve
> >> > auto-line-wrap by avoiding pasting line-breaks.
> >> >
> >> > Do you see a solution to this problem.
> >> >
> >> > == TIA.
> >> 
> >> Use an editor that allows you to create a text file with no CR or LF 
> >> (are there any that don't allow that?).
> >
> > OK, I don't see why it took me so long to realise the imposibility
> > of a solution via ANY editor. That's why I hate these common
> > 'herd' replies of "buy yourself a dingdong like ME and you're fixed'.
> 
> Are you trying to say that you know only text editors that lack any 
> user control of 'wrapping' or 'line length' and therefore do not 
> believe my comment was meant in all seriousness?
> 
> Which editor do you use?
> 
> I don't think I've ever used a text editor that can't produce 'endless 
> lines' or 'unwrapped paragraphs'; the command or setting to make it do 
> that will of course depend on the program itself.  I use "mcedit", 
> which is part of the mc (Midnight Commander) file manager (but can be 
> launched independently).  I'm sure Vi and Emacs are equally capable, 
> and any other editor designed for writing code for computer programs; 
> it's a pretty fundamental requirement!
> 
> > I needed to realise the THEORETICAL answer that 
> > 'because gpm pastes-what-it-sees' , if I see a line-break on the 
> > screen, gpm will paste that.
> 
> Perhaps you should try copy/paste without the mouse.  With mcedit, I'd 
> have to 'save' the file to disc and then use the browser to open it, 
> and use then Ctrl-c and Ctrl-v (or Shift-Insert).
> 
> > Also I forgot that this is also a M$ forum, and their pasting isn't
> > YGWYS.
> >
> > == Thanks.
> 
> I wouldn't have thought of comp.os.linux.networking as having much to 
> do with Microsoft!
> 
> -- 
> -- ^^^^^^^^^^
> --  Whiskers 
> -- ~~~~~~~~~~
> .

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#1435 — Re (4): snownews: HOW2 access cache ?

In article <slrnjs4to1.2jh.catwheezel@ID-107770.user.individual.net>, Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> wrote: 

> On 2012-05-27, no.top.post@gmail.com <no.top.post@gmail.com> wrote:
> > In article <slrnjs20ri.qj.catwheezel@ID-107770.user.individual.net>,
> > Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> wrote: 
> 
> [...]
> 
> >> I'm not sure what your problem is; if you're looking at a web page
> >> you're no longer using Snownews - you're using a web browser.  
> > 
> > I'm using snownews on your recommendation.
> > Do YOU know how to use it without the limitations of 'a browser'?
> 
> Snownews requires a web browser for display of web pages; Snownews can 
> only display the "description" of the web page concerned, if there is 
> one, not the page itself.
> 
> [...]
> 
> >> If you're using Snownews' default browser, "Lynx", consider using
> >> "Elinks" instead (which supports tabs), or one of the graphical browsers
> >> if you have a GUI.
> >> 
> > OK, I've only got elinks on an old partition/installation,
> > and <set browser used> to `chroot /mnt/p14 /usr/bin/elinks`,
> > may have problems.
> 
> If you can install Snownews, you can install elinks - or midori or 
> dillo or Opera ...
> 
Yes, I can walk a thousand miles. But you sold me snownews and
now you want me to buy an extra browser before i can use snowy.

> > A serious limitation of snownews: that you can't have multiple copies
> > running simultaneously,  like you can with links, lynxs ..etc.; has for me
> > no obvious good reason.
> 
> As Snownews only lists 'current' articles and links to the web page 
> where you actually read and respond using your web browser, I can't see 
> why more than one instance of Snownews would serve any purpose.  But if 
> you want it as a feature, by all means contact the creator/maintainer 
> of the program.
> 
Well, I don't know the mechanism behind RSS, like I do with USEnet,
which has a RFC spec.
The main absurdity of blogs is that you've got to d/l the full train
of comments to see if there's a reply to your question.
And as I previously explained, if you're not a superficial twittering kiddie,
you will often want to keep a pending reply open for a day or 2 while
your thinking/researching. So then the whole mechanism is tied up,
and you can't read other blogs/articles.

> You'll still be using a web browser to access the web pages and 
> respond.
> 
I changed the <default browser> from lynx to links, which I see has a
<open new window>, but I'm getting bad results.
<open new window> just opens another consol, which I can do any time.
If it opened another snownews that would be good.
But of course links is a descendant of snownews, so it can't open
 another ancestor process.
 Besides snownews doesn't allow a second snownews to run.
 And when I tried to create an extra user, for perhps snowy to
 run a second copy, that was another can-o-worms.

http is a curse!

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#1442 — Re: Re (4): snownews: HOW2 access cache ?

On 2012-05-31, no.top.post@gmail.com <no.top.post@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <slrnjs4to1.2jh.catwheezel@ID-107770.user.individual.net>,
> Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> wrote: 
>
>> On 2012-05-27, no.top.post@gmail.com <no.top.post@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > In article <slrnjs20ri.qj.catwheezel@ID-107770.user.individual.net>,
>> > Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> wrote: 

[...]

>> > OK, I've only got elinks on an old partition/installation,
>> > and <set browser used> to `chroot /mnt/p14 /usr/bin/elinks`,
>> > may have problems.
>> 
>> If you can install Snownews, you can install elinks - or midori or 
>> dillo or Opera ...
>> 
> Yes, I can walk a thousand miles. But you sold me snownews and
> now you want me to buy an extra browser before i can use snowy.

The software is free.  I really have no interest in what browser you 
use to read and respond to the articles you find using Snownews.  I'm 
trying to help you find a satisfactory way of achieving what you want, 
based on the gradually revealed description of that objective.

>> > A serious limitation of snownews: that you can't have multiple copies
>> > running simultaneously,  like you can with links, lynxs ..etc.; has for me
>> > no obvious good reason.
>> 
>> As Snownews only lists 'current' articles and links to the web page 
>> where you actually read and respond using your web browser, I can't see 
>> why more than one instance of Snownews would serve any purpose.  But if 
>> you want it as a feature, by all means contact the creator/maintainer 
>> of the program.
>> 
> Well, I don't know the mechanism behind RSS, like I do with USEnet,
> which has a RFC spec.
> The main absurdity of blogs is that you've got to d/l the full train
> of comments to see if there's a reply to your question.
> And as I previously explained, if you're not a superficial twittering kiddie,
> you will often want to keep a pending reply open for a day or 2 while
> your thinking/researching. So then the whole mechanism is tied up,
> and you can't read other blogs/articles.
>
>> You'll still be using a web browser to access the web pages and 
>> respond.
>> 
> I changed the <default browser> from lynx to links, which I see has a
> <open new window>, but I'm getting bad results.
> <open new window> just opens another consol, which I can do any time.
> If it opened another snownews that would be good.
> But of course links is a descendant of snownews, so it can't open
>  another ancestor process.
>  Besides snownews doesn't allow a second snownews to run.
>  And when I tried to create an extra user, for perhps snowy to
>  run a second copy, that was another can-o-worms.
>
> http is a curse!
>

You do not need to have two or more instances of Snownews; one is 
enough to give you the URLs of the articles you want to read, and 
possibly respond to; the reading and responding is done using a web 
browser, NOT Snownews.  You can have as many browser 'windows' or 
'tabs' open as you like, and once Snownews has sent the URL to the 
browser then Snownews takes no further part in your interaction with 
the web site.  Leave the browser showing the window or tab just opened, 
go back to Snownews, find another article you want to read, have 
Snownews tell the browser to open that (hit the o key) and you'll have 
two URLs open in the browser.  You can add those web pages to your 
browser's bookmarks (or speed-dial or whatever) so that you can close 
the browser and return to those pages later - without using Snownews to 
get there for the second and subsequent visits.

Check the man pages or 'help' for the browser to make sure you are 
using the correct syntax in the launch command you have set in 
Snownews; if you are in a GUI and want to launch a new instance of the 
browser in a new instance of your terminal emulator, you need to get 
the syntax of the xterm or whatever command correct too, so that 
Snownews will open the terminal emulator and then have the terminal 
emulator run the command to launch the browser with the chosen URL.

-- 
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--  Whiskers 
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#1453 — Re (5): snownews: HOW2 access cache ?

In article <slrnjsesol.p6.catwheezel@ID-107770.user.individual.net>, Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> wrote: 

> On 2012-05-31, no.top.post@gmail.com <no.top.post@gmail.com> wrote:
> > In article <slrnjs4to1.2jh.catwheezel@ID-107770.user.individual.net>,
> 
> You do not need to have two or more instances of Snownews; one is 
> enough to give you the URLs of the articles you want to read, and 
> possibly respond to; the reading and responding is done using a web 
> browser, NOT Snownews.  You can have as many browser 'windows' or 
> 'tabs' open as you like, and once Snownews has sent the URL to the 
> browser then Snownews takes no further part in your interaction with 
> the web site.  Leave the browser showing the window or tab just opened, 
> go back to Snownews, find another article you want to read, have 
> Snownews tell the browser to open that (hit the o key) and you'll have 
> two URLs open in the browser.  You can add those web pages to your 
> browser's bookmarks (or speed-dial or whatever) so that you can close 
> the browser and return to those pages later - without using Snownews to 
> get there for the second and subsequent visits.
> 
> Check the man pages or 'help' for the browser to make sure you are 
> using the correct syntax in the launch command you have set in 
> Snownews; if you are in a GUI and want to launch a new instance of the 
> browser in a new instance of your terminal emulator, you need to get 
> the syntax of the xterm or whatever command correct too, so that 
> Snownews will open the terminal emulator and then have the terminal 
> emulator run the command to launch the browser with the chosen URL.
> -- 
Well if I've got to <configure it> how to use lynx/links then it's disapointing.

Now that I've got  a mental model of what it can do, I've adapted it to my
existing highly optimised system:

Snowy can show 
 = a list of feeds/[newsgroups]
 === a list of recent articles for each feed [headers]
 ===== and a line of text [more than USEnet]
 
 And at some stage, it shows the URL of 'the article [with its 
      list of comments]'.  Which I can paste to my file:
      snowysURLs.
      
 And a line in the existing when-on-line script:
   G12  snowysURLs  snowysAccumulation
 fetches everything in the background.
 
 Because `G12` means get-using-2-args:
via `lynx -dump...` each URL in snowysURLs
and append it to snowysAccumulation
and write the URL first: as a header;
and write a separating line: "<><><><><>"

What we need also is a procedure, where eg. curl
can fetch only the guts of a http, where eg. even 
universities and BBC's articles consists of an initial,
always repeated into/advertising crap, before any
material of value is given. 

The tricky part is <bypassing the crap> and still 
'syncronising the <brackets>' to get an html-parseble text.

== Chris Glur.

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#1456 — Re: Re (5): snownews: HOW2 access cache ?

On 2012-06-02, no.top.post@gmail.com <no.top.post@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <slrnjsesol.p6.catwheezel@ID-107770.user.individual.net>,
> Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> wrote: 

[...]

> Well if I've got to <configure it> how to use lynx/links then it's disapointing.
>
> Now that I've got  a mental model of what it can do, I've adapted it to my
> existing highly optimised system:

[...]

> What we need also is a procedure, where eg. curl
> can fetch only the guts of a http, where eg. even 
> universities and BBC's articles consists of an initial,
> always repeated into/advertising crap, before any
> material of value is given. 
>
> The tricky part is <bypassing the crap> and still 
> 'syncronising the <brackets>' to get an html-parseble text.
>
> == Chris Glur.

Good luck bending the WWW to your will!  Keep in mind that the "crap" 
is what pays for the free-to-use web forums; that's the price to pay for 
taking part in those things.

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--  Whiskers 
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#1454 — Re (5): snownews: HOW2 access cache ?

In article <slrnjsesol.p6.catwheezel@ID-107770.user.individual.net>, Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> wrote: 

> On 2012-05-31, no.top.post@gmail.com <no.top.post@gmail.com> wrote:
> > In article <slrnjs4to1.2jh.catwheezel@ID-107770.user.individual.net>,
> > Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> wrote: 
> 
> You do not need to have two or more instances of Snownews; one is 
> enough to give you the URLs of the articles you want to read, and 
> possibly respond to; the reading and responding is done using a web 
> browser, NOT Snownews.  You can have as many browser 'windows' or 
> 'tabs' open as you like, and once Snownews has sent the URL to the 
> browser then Snownews takes no further part in your interaction with 
> the web site.  Leave the browser showing the window or tab just opened, 
> go back to Snownews, find another article you want to read, have 
> Snownews tell the browser to open that (hit the o key) and you'll have 
> two URLs open in the browser.  You can add those web pages to your 
> browser's bookmarks (or speed-dial or whatever) so that you can close 
> the browser and return to those pages later - without using Snownews to 
> get there for the second and subsequent visits.
> 
OK, quiet accrobatic. I normally don't use bookmarks.
lynx/links as a 'fetcher in the background' is what I do.
Surfing is for kiddies: going nowhere and waiting to fall-off.

> Check the man pages or 'help' for the browser to make sure you are 
> using the correct syntax in the launch command you have set in 
> Snownews; if you are in a GUI and want to launch a new instance of the 
> browser in a new instance of your terminal emulator, you need to get 
> the syntax of the xterm or whatever command correct too, so that 
> Snownews will open the terminal emulator and then have the terminal 
> emulator run the command to launch the browser with the chosen URL.
> 
-> man snowman == ...
]The default browser is lynx, but you can change this by pressing 'B' in the main 
]menu and entering a  new default browser. 
]Or you can edit the file ~/.snownews/browser. The program replaces %s with
]       the URL when expanding the string.
-----------
-> try: /usr/bin/links %s  == fails

Since <the file> has been overwritten, I've lost the original
<configuration for lynx>.
I'm running from an xterm in X.
What does your <~/.snownews/browser> [not 'exactly' this file]
have as the single line launcher?

== TIA

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#1455 — Re: Re (5): snownews: HOW2 access cache ?

On 2012-06-03, no.top.post@gmail.com <no.top.post@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <slrnjsesol.p6.catwheezel@ID-107770.user.individual.net>,
> Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> wrote: 

[...]

> -> man snowman == ...
> ]The default browser is lynx, but you can change this by pressing 'B' in the main 
> ]menu and entering a  new default browser. 
> ]Or you can edit the file ~/.snownews/browser. The program replaces %s with
> ]       the URL when expanding the string.
> -----------
> -> try: /usr/bin/links %s  == fails

Fails how?  

Try putting single quotes around the variable - '%s'

> Since <the file> has been overwritten, I've lost the original
> <configuration for lynx>.
> I'm running from an xterm in X.
> What does your <~/.snownews/browser> [not 'exactly' this file]
> have as the single line launcher?
>
> == TIA

#v+
opera -remote openURL\(%s\)
#v-

(Not that I use Snownews at present; I'm giving Opera's own 'feed' tool 
a try).

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#1457 — Re (6): snownews: HOW2 access cache ?

In article <slrnjsmrss.sb.catwheezel@ID-107770.user.individual.net>, Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> wrote: 

> On 2012-06-03, no.top.post@gmail.com <no.top.post@gmail.com> wrote:
> > In article <slrnjsesol.p6.catwheezel@ID-107770.user.individual.net>,
> > Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> wrote: 
> 
> [...]
> 
> > -> man snowman == ...
> > ]The default browser is lynx, but you can change this by pressing 'B' in the main 
> > ]menu and entering a  new default browser. 
> > ]Or you can edit the file ~/.snownews/browser. The program replaces %s with
> > ]       the URL when expanding the string.
> > -----------
> > -> try: /usr/bin/links %s  == fails
> 
> Fails how?  

Now setting <B: default browser> back to lynx
 gets the URL-contents  - via lynx.
 
 Srangely the ~./snownews/browser  shows: 
 /usr/bin/links
 
 Perhaps it will be updated when I exit snownews.
 But I don't want to exit until I've processed the fetches.
 Like you can do with USEnet.
 
 Thanks
 

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#1458 — Re: Re (6): snownews: HOW2 access cache ?

On 2012-06-03, no.top.post@gmail.com <no.top.post@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <slrnjsmrss.sb.catwheezel@ID-107770.user.individual.net>, Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> wrote: 
>
>> On 2012-06-03, no.top.post@gmail.com <no.top.post@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > In article <slrnjsesol.p6.catwheezel@ID-107770.user.individual.net>,
>> > Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> wrote: 
>> 
>> [...]
>> 
>> > -> man snowman == ...
>> > ]The default browser is lynx, but you can change this by pressing 'B' in the main 
>> > ]menu and entering a  new default browser. 
>> > ]Or you can edit the file ~/.snownews/browser. The program replaces %s with
>> > ]       the URL when expanding the string.
>> > -----------
>> > -> try: /usr/bin/links %s  == fails
>> 
>> Fails how?  
>
> Now setting <B: default browser> back to lynx
>  gets the URL-contents  - via lynx.
>  
>  Srangely the ~./snownews/browser  shows: 
>  /usr/bin/links
>  
>  Perhaps it will be updated when I exit snownews.

I would expect that behaviour.  Programs usually load into RAM, not run 
from disc.

>  But I don't want to exit until I've processed the fetches.

Why would you need to?  Snownews is doing what you've told it to do.

>  Like you can do with USEnet.

Well, at least like you apparantly can with whatever it is you use to 
access usenet.  But you're comparing two things that have almost 
nothing in common.

-- 
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--  Whiskers 
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#1405 — Re (2): snownews: HOW2 access cache ?

In article <slrnjrsoc4.q3.catwheezel@ID-107770.user.individual.net>, Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> wrote: 

> On 2012-05-24, no.top.post@gmail.com <no.top.post@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On advice from this forum I've started using `snownews`.
> > It's minimal interface is nice.
> > But I can't see how to continue with the already selected feeds, after I reboot.
> >
> > Although there IS a cache file, with the feeeds that I had previously selected,
> > the menu only shows <add new feed> and no <show subscribed feeds>.
> >
> > Obviously, you need to be able to continue with the feeds and article-headers
> > previously down-loaded.
> 
> When you run snownews, you should see a list of subscribed feeds.  To
> refresh all feeds, hit R; for help, hit h.  

Is it unrealistic to hope to use it a bit like a newsreader:
1. to be able to d/l the header list of a URL once-only & cache it.
2. to be able to d/l the articles corresponding to headers once-only & cache them.

When I've got one blog 'open for replying', I want to have time to compose
a serious text, and not just do-a-twitter-kiddie.  So I'd want to be able to open
others, at the same time. But `snowman` allows only 1 pid=<snowman>.

Can you get around this; perhaps one per user ?

== TIA.

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