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Configuring thunderbird for gmail (others?) pop3 - security concerns

Started byPaulo da Silva <p_s_d_a_s_i_l_v_a_ns@netcabo.pt>
First post2018-12-18 22:15 +0000
Last post2018-12-22 08:50 +0100
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  Configuring thunderbird for gmail (others?) pop3 - security concerns Paulo da Silva <p_s_d_a_s_i_l_v_a_ns@netcabo.pt> - 2018-12-18 22:15 +0000
    Re: Configuring thunderbird for gmail (others?) pop3 - security concerns "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2018-12-18 23:20 +0100
      Re: Configuring thunderbird for gmail (others?) pop3 - security concerns Paulo da Silva <p_s_d_a_s_i_l_v_a_ns@netcabo.pt> - 2018-12-19 17:47 +0000
    Re: Configuring thunderbird for gmail (others?) pop3 - security concerns Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2018-12-18 15:44 -0700
    Re: Configuring thunderbird for gmail (others?) pop3 - security concerns "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-12-19 04:52 +0100
      Re: Configuring thunderbird for gmail (others?) pop3 - security concerns David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-12-19 09:22 +0100
        Re: Configuring thunderbird for gmail (others?) pop3 - security concerns "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-12-19 12:10 +0100
      Re: Configuring thunderbird for gmail (others?) pop3 - security concerns Paulo da Silva <p_s_d_a_s_i_l_v_a_ns@netcabo.pt> - 2018-12-19 17:58 +0000
        Re: Configuring thunderbird for gmail (others?) pop3 - security concerns Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2018-12-19 12:35 -0600
        Re: Configuring thunderbird for gmail (others?) pop3 - security concerns "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-12-19 22:47 +0100
        Re: Configuring thunderbird for gmail (others?) pop3 - security concerns Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2018-12-19 16:52 -0700
          Re: Configuring thunderbird for gmail (others?) pop3 - security concerns "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-12-20 04:23 +0100
            Re: Configuring thunderbird for gmail (others?) pop3 - security concerns Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2018-12-19 20:34 -0700
    Re: Configuring thunderbird for gmail (others?) pop3 - security concerns Paulo da Silva <p_s_d_a_s_i_l_v_a_ns@netcabo.pt> - 2018-12-19 18:05 +0000
      Re: Configuring thunderbird for gmail (others?) pop3 - security concerns "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-12-19 22:51 +0100
    Re: Configuring thunderbird for gmail (others?) pop3 - security concerns Paulo da Silva <p_s_d_a_s_i_l_v_a_ns@netcabo.pt> - 2018-12-20 16:49 +0000
      Re: Configuring thunderbird for gmail (others?) pop3 - security concerns "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-12-20 19:20 +0100
      Re: Configuring thunderbird for gmail (others?) pop3 - security concerns Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2018-12-20 21:28 -0700
        Re: Configuring thunderbird for gmail (others?) pop3 - security concerns "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-12-21 09:58 +0100
          Re: Configuring thunderbird for gmail (others?) pop3 - security concerns Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2018-12-21 10:16 -0700
            Re: Configuring thunderbird for gmail (others?) pop3 - security concerns "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2018-12-21 19:17 +0100
              Re: Configuring thunderbird for gmail (others?) pop3 - security concerns Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2018-12-21 12:14 -0700
                Re: Configuring thunderbird for gmail (others?) pop3 - security concerns "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2018-12-22 08:55 +0100
                  Re: Configuring thunderbird for gmail (others?) pop3 - security concerns Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2018-12-22 16:17 -0700
                    Re: Configuring thunderbird for gmail (others?) pop3 - security concerns Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2018-12-22 23:28 -0500
                      Re: Configuring thunderbird for gmail (others?) pop3 - security concerns Robert Nichols <SEE_SIGNATURE@localhost.localdomain.invalid> - 2018-12-23 07:50 -0600
                      Re: Configuring thunderbird for gmail (others?) pop3 - security concerns Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2018-12-23 08:39 -0600
              Re: Configuring thunderbird for gmail (others?) pop3 - security concerns "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-12-22 00:05 +0100
                Re: Configuring thunderbird for gmail (others?) pop3 - security concerns Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2018-12-21 18:28 -0700
                  Re: Configuring thunderbird for gmail (others?) pop3 - security concerns "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-12-22 04:24 +0100
                Re: Configuring thunderbird for gmail (others?) pop3 - security concerns "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2018-12-22 08:50 +0100

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#4286

From"J.O. Aho" <user@example.net>
Date2018-12-21 19:17 +0100
Message-ID<g84p1lFjj9qU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#4285
On 12/21/18 6:16 PM, Grant Taylor wrote:
> On 12/21/18 1:58 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> Not exactly. Thunderbird keeps a local copy in the cache. But this is
>> different from the structure that Thunderbird calls "Local Folders",
>> which is totally different from the cache copy. What you delete in the
>> "Local Folders" is totally independent of the server and viceversa.
> 
> I was speaking about the IMAP account, not the Local Folders account.
> 
> I have virtually zero use for Local Folders and have routinely hidden it
> from view if not completely removed it.
> 
> When you delete a message from the IMAP account, it is deleted from the
> server.  (Presuming communications are functioning properly.)

As far as I can remember Thunderbird do not support auto compact, so the
deleted message is only marked for deletion until you either run the
compact on the mail directory or exit thunderbird.

You can for example connect with alpine and see the mail with a D
marking showing the mail is marked for deletion.

-- 

 //Aho

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#4287

FromGrant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net>
Date2018-12-21 12:14 -0700
Message-ID<pvje2q$o10$1@tncsrv09.home.tnetconsulting.net>
In reply to#4286
On 12/21/18 11:17 AM, J.O. Aho wrote:
> As far as I can remember Thunderbird do not support auto compact, so 
> the deleted message is only marked for deletion until you either run 
> the compact on the mail directory or exit thunderbird.

I've routinely had Thunderbird prompt if I want a folder to be compacted 
because it will save enough space to be worth prompting / doing.

> You can for example connect with alpine and see the mail with a D marking 
> showing the mail is marked for deletion.

I believe that's dependent on the type of mailbox backing the IMAP 
server or store that Thunderbird is using.



-- 
Grant. . . .
unix || die

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#4292

From"J.O. Aho" <user@example.net>
Date2018-12-22 08:55 +0100
Message-ID<g868vvFt95tU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#4287
On 12/21/18 8:14 PM, Grant Taylor wrote:
> On 12/21/18 11:17 AM, J.O. Aho wrote:
>> As far as I can remember Thunderbird do not support auto compact, so
>> the deleted message is only marked for deletion until you either run
>> the compact on the mail directory or exit thunderbird.
> 
> I've routinely had Thunderbird prompt if I want a folder to be compacted
> because it will save enough space to be worth prompting / doing.
> 
>> You can for example connect with alpine and see the mail with a D
>> marking showing the mail is marked for deletion.
> 
> I believe that's dependent on the type of mailbox backing the IMAP
> server or store that Thunderbird is using.

Not that sure about this, as I believe this is part of the IMAP standard
and it's the client which has to see to that the mail is deleted.

There was an auto-compact plugin for thunderbird, but not sure if it's
still supported.

-- 

 //Aho

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#4293

FromGrant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net>
Date2018-12-22 16:17 -0700
Message-ID<pvmgmj$ga6$1@tncsrv09.home.tnetconsulting.net>
In reply to#4292
On 12/22/18 12:55 AM, J.O. Aho wrote:
> Not that sure about this, as I believe this is part of the IMAP standard 
> and it's the client which has to see to that the mail is deleted.

Depending on the local cache type, Thunderbird marks messages as deleted 
when it's deleting messages from the IMAP server.  But it doesn't 
actually delete them from the local cache to save space.

It will occasionally realize that there are enough messages marked for 
deletion that it's worth compacting the file.  When it does, it will 
prompt and ask if you want it to do so or not.



-- 
Grant. . . .
unix || die

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#4294

FromPaul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Date2018-12-22 23:28 -0500
Message-ID<pvn2tn$gnt$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#4293
Grant Taylor wrote:
> On 12/22/18 12:55 AM, J.O. Aho wrote:
>> Not that sure about this, as I believe this is part of the IMAP 
>> standard and it's the client which has to see to that the mail is 
>> deleted.
> 
> Depending on the local cache type, Thunderbird marks messages as deleted 
> when it's deleting messages from the IMAP server.  But it doesn't 
> actually delete them from the local cache to save space.
> 
> It will occasionally realize that there are enough messages marked for 
> deletion that it's worth compacting the file.  When it does, it will 
> prompt and ask if you want it to do so or not.
> 

Modern Thunderbird is overly aggressive at compaction,
and will pester the daylights out of you. Some much older
versions weren't nearly as bad for this behavior.

    Paul

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#4295

FromRobert Nichols <SEE_SIGNATURE@localhost.localdomain.invalid>
Date2018-12-23 07:50 -0600
Message-ID<pvo3qe$rqf$1@omega-3g.local>
In reply to#4294
On 12/22/18 10:28 PM, Paul wrote:
> Grant Taylor wrote:
>> On 12/22/18 12:55 AM, J.O. Aho wrote:
>>> Not that sure about this, as I believe this is part of the IMAP standard and it's the client which has to see to that the mail is deleted.
>>
>> Depending on the local cache type, Thunderbird marks messages as deleted when it's deleting messages from the IMAP server.  But it doesn't actually delete them from the local cache to save space.
>>
>> It will occasionally realize that there are enough messages marked for deletion that it's worth compacting the file.  When it does, it will prompt and ask if you want it to do so or not.
>>
> 
> Modern Thunderbird is overly aggressive at compaction,
> and will pester the daylights out of you. Some much older
> versions weren't nearly as bad for this behavior.

Under: edit -> Preferences -> Advanced
        Change "Compact all folders when it will save over {nn} MB in total".
        Or, uncheck that feature and rely on occasional manual compaction.

-- 
Bob Nichols         AT comcast.net I am "RNichols42"

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#4296

FromBit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com>
Date2018-12-23 08:39 -0600
Message-ID<slrnq1v7hs.teh.BitTwister@wb.home.test>
In reply to#4294
On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 23:28:40 -0500, Paul wrote:
> Grant Taylor wrote:
>> On 12/22/18 12:55 AM, J.O. Aho wrote:
>>> Not that sure about this, as I believe this is part of the IMAP 
>>> standard and it's the client which has to see to that the mail is 
>>> deleted.
>> 
>> Depending on the local cache type, Thunderbird marks messages as deleted 
>> when it's deleting messages from the IMAP server.  But it doesn't 
>> actually delete them from the local cache to save space.
>> 
>> It will occasionally realize that there are enough messages marked for 
>> deletion that it's worth compacting the file.  When it does, it will 
>> prompt and ask if you want it to do so or not.
>> 
>
> Modern Thunderbird is overly aggressive at compaction,
> and will pester the daylights out of you. Some much older
> versions weren't nearly as bad for this behavior.

Hmm, I get an ask yes/no prompt on compaction and have not seen the
popup since.

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#4288

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2018-12-22 00:05 +0100
Message-ID<b680ff-nq1.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#4286
On 21/12/2018 19.17, J.O. Aho wrote:
> On 12/21/18 6:16 PM, Grant Taylor wrote:
>> On 12/21/18 1:58 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> Not exactly. Thunderbird keeps a local copy in the cache. But this is
>>> different from the structure that Thunderbird calls "Local Folders",
>>> which is totally different from the cache copy. What you delete in the
>>> "Local Folders" is totally independent of the server and viceversa.
>>
>> I was speaking about the IMAP account, not the Local Folders account.
>>
>> I have virtually zero use for Local Folders and have routinely hidden it
>> from view if not completely removed it.

But the OP wants local storage.

>>
>> When you delete a message from the IMAP account, it is deleted from the
>> server.  (Presuming communications are functioning properly.)
> 
> As far as I can remember Thunderbird do not support auto compact, so the
> deleted message is only marked for deletion until you either run the
> compact on the mail directory or exit thunderbird.
> 
> You can for example connect with alpine and see the mail with a D
> marking showing the mail is marked for deletion.
> 

That's on local folders. On Imap folders it is up to the server.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#4289

FromGrant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net>
Date2018-12-21 18:28 -0700
Message-ID<pvk418$uu0$1@tncsrv09.home.tnetconsulting.net>
In reply to#4288
On 12/21/18 4:05 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> That's on local folders. On Imap folders it is up to the server.

Thunderbird will cache IMAP contents locally.  That's independent of the 
Local Folders account.



-- 
Grant. . . .
unix || die

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#4290

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2018-12-22 04:24 +0100
Message-ID<rcn0ff-ruf.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#4289
On 22/12/2018 02.28, Grant Taylor wrote:
> On 12/21/18 4:05 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> That's on local folders. On Imap folders it is up to the server.
> 
> Thunderbird will cache IMAP contents locally.  That's independent of the
> Local Folders account.

Yes. But again, what Aho said re deleting, compacting, and Alpine, does
not apply to the IMAP folders cached locally.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#4291

From"J.O. Aho" <user@example.net>
Date2018-12-22 08:50 +0100
Message-ID<g868mbFt6l5U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#4288
On 12/22/18 12:05 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 21/12/2018 19.17, J.O. Aho wrote:
>> On 12/21/18 6:16 PM, Grant Taylor wrote:
>>> On 12/21/18 1:58 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> Not exactly. Thunderbird keeps a local copy in the cache. But this is
>>>> different from the structure that Thunderbird calls "Local Folders",
>>>> which is totally different from the cache copy. What you delete in the
>>>> "Local Folders" is totally independent of the server and viceversa.
>>>
>>> I was speaking about the IMAP account, not the Local Folders account.
>>>
>>> I have virtually zero use for Local Folders and have routinely hidden it
>>> from view if not completely removed it.
> 
> But the OP wants local storage.

Wasn't talking about OP, but about IMAP.

-- 

 //Aho

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