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  Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? Joe Domack <jdomack@example.org> - 2015-02-16 01:18 +0000
    Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? Big_Al <Big_al@invalid.com> - 2015-02-15 20:33 -0500
      Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? "David E. Ross" <nobody@nowhere.invalid> - 2015-02-15 20:22 -0800
        Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? Paul in Houston TX <Paul@Houston.Texas> - 2015-02-15 22:31 -0600
          Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? Joe Domack <jdomack@example.org> - 2015-02-16 07:02 +0000
            Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-02-16 06:03 -0500
          Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-02-16 09:58 +0100
        Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? Joe Domack <jdomack@example.org> - 2015-02-16 07:00 +0000
        Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2015-02-16 14:02 -0600
          Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? Joe Domack <jdomack@example.org> - 2015-02-16 21:29 +0000
      Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? Joe Domack <jdomack@example.org> - 2015-02-16 06:57 +0000
      Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public   vpn servers? Mike Barnes <mikebarnes333@gmail.com> - 2015-02-16 07:51 +0000
        Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public   vpn servers? Joe Domack <jdomack@example.org> - 2015-02-16 07:53 +0000
    Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? Paul in Houston TX <Paul@Houston.Texas> - 2015-02-15 20:30 -0600
      Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? Joe Domack <jdomack@example.org> - 2015-02-16 07:06 +0000
        Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? Paul in Houston TX <Paul@Houston.Texas> - 2015-02-16 01:24 -0600
          Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? Joe Domack <jdomack@example.org> - 2015-02-16 07:35 +0000
            Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2015-02-16 13:54 -0600
              Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? Joe Domack <jdomack@example.org> - 2015-02-16 21:42 +0000
                Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? Tom Roche <tom_roche@pobox.com> - 2015-03-10 09:45 -0700
      Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? richard <noreply@example.com> - 2015-02-16 13:49 -0500
        Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? Joe Domack <jdomack@example.org> - 2015-02-16 21:48 +0000
          Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? richard <noreply@example.com> - 2015-02-16 23:40 -0500
    Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2015-02-16 04:00 +0000
    Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-02-16 05:58 +0000
      Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? Joe Domack <jdomack@example.org> - 2015-02-16 07:10 +0000
      Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? Joe Domack <jdomack@example.org> - 2015-02-16 08:04 +0000
        Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2015-02-16 10:22 +0200
          Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? Joe Domack <jdomack@example.org> - 2015-02-16 15:30 +0000
            Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-02-16 16:45 +0100
              Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? Joe Domack <jdomack@example.org> - 2015-02-16 15:56 +0000
                Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-02-16 17:07 +0100
    Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? Stormin' Norman <norman@schwarzkopf.invalid> - 2015-02-16 15:07 +0000
    Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? "BillyRay0808 USA VP 2016" <postsmaster@mynews.gateway.pace.com> - 2015-02-17 13:10 -0600
    Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers? Joe Domack <jdomack@example.org> - 2015-02-19 04:35 +0000

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#3239 — Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers?

My IP address is static, and has been for the past five years.

I just want a rotating IP address so that all the web sites I visit, 
and all the NNTP servers I use, and all the SMTP/POP/IMAP servers I 
I use, and all the FTP servers I upload or download from, and
all the P2P clients I download or upload from, etc., wouldn't all 
have the same IP address to correlate all these actions to.

Of course, I could *change ISPs daily* (if that were feasible), 
but my ISP choices are severely limited so, it's not a feasible
option to change ISPs (like the NetZero free ISP used to do).

But, I'm NOT a Linux guru; so maybe there is a way???

To that end, I ask the basic question:

 Is there any other way to get a different IP address (at least
 daily or weekly) other than to use a series of public VPN servers?

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#3240

Joe Domack wrote on 2/15/2015 8:18 PM:
> My IP address is static, and has been for the past five years.
> 
> I just want a rotating IP address so that all the web sites I visit, 
> and all the NNTP servers I use, and all the SMTP/POP/IMAP servers I 
> I use, and all the FTP servers I upload or download from, and
> all the P2P clients I download or upload from, etc., wouldn't all 
> have the same IP address to correlate all these actions to.
> 
> Of course, I could *change ISPs daily* (if that were feasible), 
> but my ISP choices are severely limited so, it's not a feasible
> option to change ISPs (like the NetZero free ISP used to do).
> 
> But, I'm NOT a Linux guru; so maybe there is a way???
> 
> To that end, I ask the basic question:
> 
>  Is there any other way to get a different IP address (at least
>  daily or weekly) other than to use a series of public VPN servers?
> 
You're going to VPN into another machine so you can connect out to the internet just to change IPs?
That sounds a bit harsh.

Who is your ISP?   I'm surprised that any ISP gives you a static IP.  Verizon and Comcast around here don't.  You have
to pay to get static here.

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#3242

On 2/15/2015 5:33 PM, Big_Al wrote:
> Joe Domack wrote on 2/15/2015 8:18 PM:
>> My IP address is static, and has been for the past five years.
>>
>> I just want a rotating IP address so that all the web sites I visit, 
>> and all the NNTP servers I use, and all the SMTP/POP/IMAP servers I 
>> I use, and all the FTP servers I upload or download from, and
>> all the P2P clients I download or upload from, etc., wouldn't all 
>> have the same IP address to correlate all these actions to.
>>
>> Of course, I could *change ISPs daily* (if that were feasible), 
>> but my ISP choices are severely limited so, it's not a feasible
>> option to change ISPs (like the NetZero free ISP used to do).
>>
>> But, I'm NOT a Linux guru; so maybe there is a way???
>>
>> To that end, I ask the basic question:
>>
>>  Is there any other way to get a different IP address (at least
>>  daily or weekly) other than to use a series of public VPN servers?
>>
> You're going to VPN into another machine so you can connect out to the internet just to change IPs?
> That sounds a bit harsh.
> 
> Who is your ISP?   I'm surprised that any ISP gives you a static IP.  Verizon and Comcast around here don't.  You have
> to pay to get static here.
> 

Time Warner's RoadRunner gives subscribers static IP addresses.  I tried
all sorts of way to change my IP address, but none of them worked.  Time
Warner was somewhat uncooperative, so a gave up the attempt.

Then, I went away for four days, during which I turned off the surge
suppressor for my PC, monitor, and printer and disconnected (no off
switch) the surge suppressor for my router and cable modem.  When I
returned and restored power to my system, lo and behold I had a new IP
address.

-- 
David E. Ross

The Crimea is Putin's Sudetenland.
The Ukraine will be Putin's Czechoslovakia.
See <http://www.rossde.com/editorials/edtl_PutinUkraine.html>.

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#3244

David E. Ross wrote:
> On 2/15/2015 5:33 PM, Big_Al wrote:
>> Joe Domack wrote on 2/15/2015 8:18 PM:
>>> My IP address is static, and has been for the past five years.
>>>
>>> I just want a rotating IP address so that all the web sites I visit, 
>>> and all the NNTP servers I use, and all the SMTP/POP/IMAP servers I 
>>> I use, and all the FTP servers I upload or download from, and
>>> all the P2P clients I download or upload from, etc., wouldn't all 
>>> have the same IP address to correlate all these actions to.
>>>
>>> Of course, I could *change ISPs daily* (if that were feasible), 
>>> but my ISP choices are severely limited so, it's not a feasible
>>> option to change ISPs (like the NetZero free ISP used to do).
>>>
>>> But, I'm NOT a Linux guru; so maybe there is a way???
>>>
>>> To that end, I ask the basic question:
>>>
>>>  Is there any other way to get a different IP address (at least
>>>  daily or weekly) other than to use a series of public VPN servers?
>>>
>> You're going to VPN into another machine so you can connect out to the internet just to change IPs?
>> That sounds a bit harsh.
>>
>> Who is your ISP?   I'm surprised that any ISP gives you a static IP.  Verizon and Comcast around here don't.  You have
>> to pay to get static here.
>>
> 
> Time Warner's RoadRunner gives subscribers static IP addresses.  I tried
> all sorts of way to change my IP address, but none of them worked.  Time
> Warner was somewhat uncooperative, so a gave up the attempt.
> 
> Then, I went away for four days, during which I turned off the surge
> suppressor for my PC, monitor, and printer and disconnected (no off
> switch) the surge suppressor for my router and cable modem.  When I
> returned and restored power to my system, lo and behold I had a new IP
> address.

When I had Roadrunner, years ago, it had dynamic addressing.
On a dynamic system an available address will be assigned to
first come, first serve.
So if your address is no longer used by you it will be reassigned.
I don't know what the time lag is... maybe a day or so for the
isp to determine that your old address is available.

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#3248

On Sun, 15 Feb 2015 22:31:15 -0600, Paul in Houston TX wrote:

> I don't know what the time lag is... maybe a day or so for the
> isp to determine that your old address is available.

I could shut off the electricity to my home for a year and I'd
still have the same public IP address when I booted back up 
simply because it's saved into the settings of the WISP transceiver 
on the roof.

Each homeowner gets their own IP address. That's how they do it
here in the boonies, where there is no cable nor DSL.

So, any talk of leases and dynamic IP addresses won't apply to 
this thread.

I have to find another way to change my IP address.

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#3258

Joe Domack wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Sun, 15 Feb 2015 22:31:15 -0600, Paul in Houston TX wrote:
>
>> I don't know what the time lag is... maybe a day or so for the
>> isp to determine that your old address is available.
>
> I could shut off the electricity to my home for a year and I'd
> still have the same public IP address when I booted back up 
> simply because it's saved into the settings of the WISP transceiver 
> on the roof.
>
> Each homeowner gets their own IP address. That's how they do it
> here in the boonies, where there is no cable nor DSL.
>
> So, any talk of leases and dynamic IP addresses won't apply to 
> this thread.
>
> I have to find another way to change my IP address.

   http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-linux-renew-dhcp-client-ip-address/

-- 
There is a 20% chance of tomorrow.

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#3257

On 16/02/15 05:31, Paul in Houston TX wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 2/15/2015 5:33 PM, Big_Al wrote:
>>> Joe Domack wrote on 2/15/2015 8:18 PM:
>>>> My IP address is static, and has been for the past five years.
>>>>
>>>> I just want a rotating IP address so that all the web sites I visit,
>>>> and all the NNTP servers I use, and all the SMTP/POP/IMAP servers I
>>>> I use, and all the FTP servers I upload or download from, and
>>>> all the P2P clients I download or upload from, etc., wouldn't all
>>>> have the same IP address to correlate all these actions to.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, I could *change ISPs daily* (if that were feasible), but
>>>> my ISP choices are severely limited so, it's not a feasible
>>>> option to change ISPs (like the NetZero free ISP used to do).
>>>>
>>>> But, I'm NOT a Linux guru; so maybe there is a way???
>>>>
>>>> To that end, I ask the basic question:
>>>>
>>>>  Is there any other way to get a different IP address (at least
>>>>  daily or weekly) other than to use a series of public VPN servers?
>>>>
>>> You're going to VPN into another machine so you can connect out to
>>> the internet just to change IPs?
>>> That sounds a bit harsh.
>>>
>>> Who is your ISP?   I'm surprised that any ISP gives you a static IP. 
>>> Verizon and Comcast around here don't.  You have
>>> to pay to get static here.
>>>
>>
>> Time Warner's RoadRunner gives subscribers static IP addresses.  I tried
>> all sorts of way to change my IP address, but none of them worked.  Time
>> Warner was somewhat uncooperative, so a gave up the attempt.
>>
>> Then, I went away for four days, during which I turned off the surge
>> suppressor for my PC, monitor, and printer and disconnected (no off
>> switch) the surge suppressor for my router and cable modem.  When I
>> returned and restored power to my system, lo and behold I had a new IP
>> address.
> 
> When I had Roadrunner, years ago, it had dynamic addressing.
> On a dynamic system an available address will be assigned to
> first come, first serve.
> So if your address is no longer used by you it will be reassigned.
> I don't know what the time lag is... maybe a day or so for the
> isp to determine that your old address is available.

That's a common arrangement, as it is standard setup for a DHCP server
(the same thing happens with most LAN DHCP servers).

If you need a new IP on such a system, you can disconnect, change your
MAC address, then acquire a new IP.  But if you do this often, you are
going to /really/ annoy your provider, as they run out of spare addresses.

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#3247

On Sun, 15 Feb 2015 20:22:06 -0800, David E. Ross wrote:

> When I returned and restored power to my system, lo and behold I had a new IP
> address.

This is a WISP setup. My rooftop radio is equivalent to your modem.

I don't know if you can log into your modem to see the settings, but, 
I can log into the radio on the roof, and I can easily see that the IP 
address is hard coded.

I might be able to change it, but, that would screw around with my 
WISP so that's not a viable option.

That's why I use a public vpn server to change my IP address.

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#3266

On Sun, 15 Feb 2015 20:22:06 -0800, "David E. Ross" <nobody@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:

>Time Warner's RoadRunner gives subscribers static IP addresses.  I tried
>all sorts of way to change my IP address, but none of them worked.  Time
>Warner was somewhat uncooperative, so a gave up the attempt.

In every service area that I'm aware, (certainly not all of them), TWC gives
out dynamic IP addresses. They use standard DHCP, so halfway through the
lease period the lease is silently extended for another full period. If you
want a new IP, simply change the MAC address on the WAN-facing device. 

>Then, I went away for four days, during which I turned off the surge
>suppressor for my PC, monitor, and printer and disconnected (no off
>switch) the surge suppressor for my router and cable modem.  When I
>returned and restored power to my system, lo and behold I had a new IP
>address.

Not surprising. Your DHCP lease expired, your IP address was tossed back
into the available pool, and someone else took it. Turning your equipment
off is the slow way to get a new IP. Changing your WAN MAC is the fast way.

Note that this applies to the cable providers like Comcast and TWC. The OP's
WISP is apparently not handing out dynamic IP's so it doesn't apply to him.

-- 

Char Jackson

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#3268

On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 14:02:11 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:

> Note that this applies to the cable providers like Comcast and TWC. The OP's
> WISP is apparently not handing out dynamic IP's so it doesn't apply to him.

Right. 

My rooftop radio, which has a setting for the IP address, does hand my 
home broadband router a static IP address which is one off from its own
static IP address.

The home broadband router, on the other hand, hands out (via WiFi and 
Ethernet cable) private addresses of the form (192.168.1.xxx), and these
change at will.

But, none of them will affect the static IP address of the radio itself, 
which has to be the one that my WISP assigned to me, or he'll get upset.

I'm *sure* I can "steal" a static IP address assigned to one of my 
neighbors, or, even an unused one from my WISP's pool, but, again, 
this is a small operation with only about 100 customers in toto, so, 
he'd know what is going on in seconds (and I wouldn't do that anyway).

So, I'm left with finding a clever way to change my IP address, given
that it's static in the first place. 

Tor works only for the http protocol AFAIK. I saw that others said TOR
works for NNTP but I have *never* been able to get that to work, despite
having tried multiple times. The problem is detailed because the client
nntp news reader has to interface to Tor which isn't a web client at
this point.

So, if anyone here actually has gotten Tor to work with NNTP, especially
on Linux (where I am on most of the time), a step-by-step explanation
of how to accomplish that would be immensely helpful and appreciated.

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#3246

On Sun, 15 Feb 2015 20:33:13 -0500, Big_Al wrote:

> Who is your ISP?   
> I'm surprised that any ISP gives you a static IP.

Mine does.
It's a small operation.
I'm in the boonies. 
No cable. No DSL. Just WISP or satellite.

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#3253 — Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers?

Big_Al wrote:
> I'm surprised that any ISP gives you a static IP.

FWIW I've had two ISPs in my lifetime and they've both given me fixed 
(and I mean FIXED: notified to me in writing at the time I opened the 
account) IP addresses. No choice. No charge.

-- 
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England

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#3254 — Re: Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than public vpn servers?

On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 07:51:06 +0000, Mike Barnes wrote:

> No choice. No charge.

Same with me. It's no choice. No charge.
If I want to change the IP address, I can choose a different ISP, or, 
figure out a way.

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#3241

Joe Domack wrote:
> My IP address is static, and has been for the past five years.
> 
> I just want a rotating IP address so that all the web sites I visit, 
> and all the NNTP servers I use, and all the SMTP/POP/IMAP servers I 
> I use, and all the FTP servers I upload or download from, and
> all the P2P clients I download or upload from, etc., wouldn't all 
> have the same IP address to correlate all these actions to.
> 
> Of course, I could *change ISPs daily* (if that were feasible), 
> but my ISP choices are severely limited so, it's not a feasible
> option to change ISPs (like the NetZero free ISP used to do).
> 
> But, I'm NOT a Linux guru; so maybe there is a way???
> 
> To that end, I ask the basic question:
> 
>  Is there any other way to get a different IP address (at least
>  daily or weekly) other than to use a series of public VPN servers?

Turn off your internet connection devices for a day and see.
Might want to reset them, too.

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#3249

On Sun, 15 Feb 2015 20:30:15 -0600, Paul in Houston TX wrote:

> Turn off your internet connection devices for a day and see.
> Might want to reset them, too.

Look. In another home, in another county, I had both DSL and 
cable and I know what you're talking about. The lease is a day
or two or three on those things. Sometimes the lease is five
minutes. I know all about that.

But, out here in the boonies, we have WISP. Our WISP gives every
home its own IP address. It's the way it is. Each and every 
rooftop transceiver (equivalent, in theory, to your modem), has
the IP address he has assigned to it, encoded into the setup.

I know this. I can see this since I can log into the radio 
myself and see it. It isn't going to change if I shut the power
down for fifty years. 

Of course, I could log into the radio and change it, but that
has two problems. One, it will not be taken lightly by my WISP, 
and, two, there are only so many I can choose from, since the
WISP bought a block of addresses, and I'd have to guess which 
he bought (or ask him). 

A public vpn server is easier, or, if you know of another way
to change a static IP address for all ports, let me know.

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#3251

Joe Domack wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Feb 2015 20:30:15 -0600, Paul in Houston TX wrote:
> 
>> Turn off your internet connection devices for a day and see.
>> Might want to reset them, too.
> 
> Look. In another home, in another county, I had both DSL and 
> cable and I know what you're talking about. The lease is a day
> or two or three on those things. Sometimes the lease is five
> minutes. I know all about that.
> 
> But, out here in the boonies, we have WISP. Our WISP gives every
> home its own IP address. It's the way it is. Each and every 
> rooftop transceiver (equivalent, in theory, to your modem), has
> the IP address he has assigned to it, encoded into the setup.
> 
> I know this. I can see this since I can log into the radio 
> myself and see it. It isn't going to change if I shut the power
> down for fifty years. 
> 
> Of course, I could log into the radio and change it, but that
> has two problems. One, it will not be taken lightly by my WISP, 
> and, two, there are only so many I can choose from, since the
> WISP bought a block of addresses, and I'd have to guess which 
> he bought (or ask him). 
> 
> A public vpn server is easier, or, if you know of another way
> to change a static IP address for all ports, let me know.

It would have been good to state WISP from the beginning.
The ip address cannot be changed by you.

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#3252

On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 01:24:35 -0600, Paul in Houston TX wrote:

> It would have been good to state WISP from the beginning.
> The ip address cannot be changed by you.

I apologize as I thought it was obvious when, in my first sentence
when I said clearly that the IP address was static and that it 
hadn't changed in five years.

Heck, we've had power outages out here lasting days on end, and, 
if it was as easy to change the IP address as powering down the
equipment for a day or two, I'd be ecstatic.

But, as I said in the very first sentence. My public IP address
is static. It isn't going to change unless I change it somehow.

Here's a picture of my radio on the lower left pointing
through the trees five miles away to the WISP transceiver.

You guys with cable and DSL are lucky in that you don't have
to learn how to get your WiFi from miles away over the air
via line of sight or way up in the sky via satellite.
       http://i58.tinypic.com/ea1lph.jpg

I'm just surprised that I came up with the only viable method
of changing the IP address. Surely there must be other ways.

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#3265

On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 07:35:55 +0000 (UTC), Joe Domack <jdomack@example.org>
wrote:

>On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 01:24:35 -0600, Paul in Houston TX wrote:
>
>> It would have been good to state WISP from the beginning.
>> The ip address cannot be changed by you.
>
>I apologize as I thought it was obvious when,

There was nothing obvious there, or at least nothing obvious that you
thought was obvious.

>in my first sentence
>when I said clearly that the IP address was static

99% of the people who claim to have a static IP are wrong. What they really
mean, even if they don't know it, is that they have a dynamically assigned
IP that just happens to be silently renewed on a continuing basis. In those
cases, they still have a dynamically assigned IP that just happens to not
change very often, if ever. You might be in the 1% who actually have a
static IP, but there was no reason for anyone to automatically accept that
from your first sentence. That's why a little more detail about your WISP
setup would have helped in the beginning.

>and that it hadn't changed in five years.

See above. The fact that it hasn't changed in 5 years is not an indicator of
whether it's static or dynamic.

>I'm just surprised that I came up with the only viable method
>of changing the IP address. Surely there must be other ways.

You probably know yourself better than we do. I guess what you're saying is
that you're usually wrong and that you tend to rely on others to correct
you, which is fine. I'm actually happy when someone (accidentally?) gets it
mostly right on their own. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then.
The thing to do now is to bask in the glory, then move on to the next
challenge. Maybe you can string together a couple of wins. You know, maybe
get a streak going. You never know.

-- 

Char Jackson

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On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 13:54:26 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:

> There was nothing obvious there, or at least nothing obvious that you
> thought was obvious.

I tried to explain things in the OP, but I can't change pre-conceived
perceptions. So, I apologize for the initial confusion where good people
thought that merely changing a MAC address or by powering things
down for the duration of a lease period could possibly have any effect
on a truly static IP address.

Of course, I do know, as do you, that *most* people don't have a truly
static IP address; so, I certainly understand the initial confusion, 
despite my attempt to allay it from the start.

Luckily I didn't have to explain the difference between a public VPN
service and a roll-your-own VPN server, which often is another pre-
conceived notion that many people have the moment they hear the acronym
"vpn" (since come can't conceive of a public vpn service being useful).

> 99% of the people who claim to have a static IP are wrong. 

I know. I know. If I hadn't set up my own rooftop radio, I would wonder
myself if I just was "handed" the same IP address, year in and year out.

So, I'm *not* decrying the confusion. I am just defending that I *tried*
to allay the confusion; but, it naturally took a bit of explanation until
you well meaning folks *believed* that I have a static IP address.

Certainly the WISP "could" NAT the addresses on his side of the network;
but he doesn't. He only has about 100 customers (probably less), so, this
isn't anything like what you see with AT&T or Verizon or Time Warner or
whomever most of you use.

Remember, we have no cable whatsoever. No DSL is possible (we're tends of
thousands of feet from the nearest station, I forget how many, but, when
I call in for DSL, the sales people won't even sell it to me).

> You might be in the 1% who actually have a
> static IP, but there was no reason for anyone to automatically accept that
> from your first sentence. That's why a little more detail about your WISP
> setup would have helped in the beginning.

I apologize for the confusion. The WISP itself doesn't really matter. 
It's the *choice* of the WISP that matters, which is that he bought a block
of about 100 static IP addresses, and he assigns one to each.

In fact, I once asked him why he doesn't just NAT all of us to one IP
address, and he said, in very technical terms, something to the effect
of his routers would have to handle the load instead of ours (he insists
on EVERY person maintaining a home router as part of his deal with us), 
and, he said the DMM act drives him crazy when he has to figure out 
which IP address is downloading "50 Shades of Grey". 

It's much easier, for him, to have each of us on a static IP address, 
he said, as he's a one-man operation 24/7, and it's not easy being 
all those things at once.

> You probably know yourself better than we do. I guess what you're saying is
> that you're usually wrong and that you tend to rely on others to correct
> you, which is fine.

I actually get my best ideas from you folks. Or from the net itself.
Problem is that this problem, of changing an IP address, if you google it, 
will drive you nuts with all the wrong answers, some of which were 
covered here.

Even the "right" answers, center on rolling your own VPN solution, which
works if you're at a coffee shop and you don't want the IP address of the 
coffee shop, but, which won't disassociate you from your home because
that roll-your-own VPN server is likely *at* your home!

Hey! That's an idea! 

Is there a roll-your-own VPN server capability where you "borrow" or 
lease a rotating set of servers stashed anywhere else but at your home?

Does such a server-access service exist for low (very low) cost?

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Joe Domack Mon, 16 Feb 2015 21:42:32 +0000 (UTC) [1]
> Is there a roll-your-own VPN server capability where you "borrow" or 
> lease a rotating set of servers stashed anywhere else but at your home?
> Does such a server-access service exist for low (very low) cost?

Is 10 $/month low enough? If so,

1. lease a 1GB linode[2]
2. put an OpenVPN server on the linode
3. put an OpenVPN client on any client devices

You'll get a single linode, but you can periodically [stop using a particular linode, start using another], which *should*[3] get you a new IP#. Note that the overhead of setting up OpenVPN on a linode is pretty low both in effort (see my wiki[4] and associated code) and time, so whacking one linode and setting up another seems fairly painless. FWIW,

* I am just a linode user.
* I have no other financial tie to linode.com
* If anyone knows of similar, cheaper providers of Linux hosts, please lemme know.

HTH, Tom Roche <Tom_Roche@pobox.com>

[1]: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.os.linux.networking/iBDEeeJJj5k/lioFM70JousJ
[2]: https://www.linode.com/pricing
[3]: I have not verified this claim, but my impression is, each linode gets its own IPv4 and IPv6 IP#.
[4]: https://bitbucket.org/tlroche/linode_jumpbox_config/wiki/OpenVPN_install

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