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| Started by | Mike Mocha <mocha@mailexcite.com> |
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| First post | 2022-02-09 08:16 +0000 |
| Last post | 2022-02-15 09:16 -0800 |
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IPv6 Hardware Firewall Mike Mocha <mocha@mailexcite.com> - 2022-02-09 08:16 +0000
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-02-09 10:01 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2022-02-09 11:18 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Mike Scott <usenet.16@scottsonline.org.uk.invalid> - 2022-02-09 15:17 +0000
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-02-09 16:39 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2022-02-09 11:16 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2022-02-09 16:54 +0000
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2022-02-09 17:57 -0700
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-02-10 08:27 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2022-02-10 10:59 -0700
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2022-02-10 19:14 +0000
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-02-10 20:39 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2022-02-10 20:25 +0000
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2022-02-10 14:45 -0700
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2022-02-10 22:24 +0000
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2022-02-10 12:49 -0700
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2022-02-10 20:48 +0000
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2022-02-10 14:46 -0700
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2022-02-10 10:08 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2022-02-10 11:01 -0700
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2022-02-10 19:15 +0000
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2022-02-10 12:44 -0700
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-02-10 21:34 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2022-02-10 14:01 -0700
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2022-02-11 14:22 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2022-02-11 11:27 -0700
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2022-02-12 10:49 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2022-02-13 19:43 +0000
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-02-13 21:14 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2022-02-14 08:47 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2022-02-15 11:48 -0700
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-02-15 20:08 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2022-02-15 12:19 -0700
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-02-15 21:09 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2022-02-15 18:09 -0700
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2022-02-10 20:43 +0000
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2022-02-10 14:06 -0700
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2022-02-10 21:54 +0000
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2022-02-11 14:22 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-02-11 14:34 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2022-02-11 11:35 -0700
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-02-11 19:39 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2022-02-11 12:06 -0700
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2022-02-12 10:50 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2022-02-12 19:36 -0700
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-02-13 07:55 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2022-02-13 03:59 -0600
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall jrg <jeff.g.group@att.net> - 2022-02-13 14:02 -0800
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2022-02-13 18:05 -0600
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall jrg <jeff.g.group@att.net> - 2022-02-15 09:13 -0800
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2022-02-15 11:36 -0600
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall jrg <jeff.g.group@att.net> - 2022-02-15 20:32 -0800
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2022-02-15 23:39 -0500
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2022-02-13 13:52 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2022-02-15 11:50 -0700
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-02-15 20:09 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2022-02-11 11:29 -0700
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2022-02-12 10:52 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2022-02-12 19:40 -0700
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2022-02-13 13:58 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2022-02-15 11:53 -0700
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2022-02-16 09:28 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2022-02-16 13:04 -0700
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-02-16 21:17 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2022-02-17 10:59 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-02-13 14:05 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2022-02-15 11:56 -0700
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-02-15 20:11 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2022-02-15 12:17 -0700
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2022-02-16 09:29 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2022-02-16 13:08 -0700
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2022-02-17 11:00 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2022-02-10 04:08 +0000
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-02-10 08:30 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2022-02-10 10:56 -0700
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-02-10 19:49 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2022-02-10 12:13 -0700
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall meff <email@example.com> - 2022-02-11 04:07 +0000
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall "Vincent Coen" <VBCoen@gmail.com> - 2022-02-10 21:33 +0000
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2022-02-10 14:48 -0700
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall "Vincent Coen" <VBCoen@gmail.com> - 2022-02-11 01:20 +0000
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-02-11 09:35 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2022-02-11 11:45 -0700
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-02-11 20:03 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2022-02-11 12:14 -0700
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2022-02-12 00:33 +0000
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-02-12 09:27 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2022-02-12 10:54 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-02-12 11:01 +0100
OT Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall jrg <jeff.g.group@att.net> - 2022-02-12 12:06 -0800
Re: OT Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-02-12 21:39 +0100
Re: OT Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall jrg <jeff.g.group@att.net> - 2022-02-13 13:27 -0800
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2022-02-14 02:12 +0000
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2022-02-14 02:06 +0000
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall jrg <jeff.g.group@att.net> - 2022-02-15 09:14 -0800
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2022-02-10 10:10 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Mike Mocha <mocha@mailexcite.com> - 2022-02-11 07:28 +0000
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-02-11 09:41 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2022-02-12 00:38 +0000
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2022-02-13 11:49 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-02-13 13:51 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2022-02-13 14:54 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-02-13 15:31 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall jrg <jeff.g.group@att.net> - 2022-02-13 14:07 -0800
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2022-02-15 12:25 -0700
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2022-02-15 12:15 -0700
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-02-15 21:18 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2022-02-15 18:18 -0700
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-02-16 16:24 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2022-02-16 13:16 -0700
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2022-02-17 11:03 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2022-02-17 10:20 -0700
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall meff <email@example.com> - 2022-02-16 01:53 +0000
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2022-02-16 09:37 +0000
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall meff <email@example.com> - 2022-02-16 19:50 +0000
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2022-02-17 11:41 +0000
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall meff <email@example.com> - 2022-02-17 21:22 +0000
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-02-16 16:26 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2022-02-16 16:48 +0000
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-02-16 19:13 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2022-02-16 19:15 +0000
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2022-02-16 20:56 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-02-16 21:18 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2022-02-17 11:06 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2022-02-17 10:27 -0700
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2022-02-18 08:26 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-02-18 12:05 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2022-02-18 10:41 -0700
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2022-02-18 10:43 -0700
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-02-18 20:20 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2022-02-18 20:34 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2022-02-18 13:46 -0700
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2022-02-19 10:03 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2022-02-19 17:03 -0700
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2022-02-20 07:39 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-02-20 08:52 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2022-02-20 14:05 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2022-02-20 22:50 +0000
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall jrg <jeff.g.group@att.net> - 2022-02-20 18:10 -0800
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2022-02-21 08:16 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2022-02-21 08:57 -0700
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2022-02-21 18:41 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2022-02-21 11:31 -0700
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-02-21 21:09 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2022-02-22 16:44 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-02-20 08:51 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2022-02-19 17:11 -0700
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2022-02-20 07:41 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2022-02-19 17:13 -0700
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2022-02-20 07:42 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2022-02-18 20:33 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-02-18 20:47 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2022-02-19 10:03 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2022-02-18 10:35 -0700
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2022-02-18 20:36 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2022-02-18 13:41 -0700
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-02-19 07:43 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2022-02-19 10:08 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2022-02-19 10:07 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2022-02-19 17:08 -0700
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2022-02-16 13:01 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-02-16 19:12 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2022-02-17 09:12 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2022-02-17 10:31 -0700
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2022-02-18 09:25 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall meff <email@example.com> - 2022-02-17 21:21 +0000
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2022-02-18 09:25 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall meff <email@example.com> - 2022-02-11 10:28 +0000
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2022-02-11 10:56 +0000
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2022-02-12 00:36 +0000
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2022-02-12 10:56 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2022-02-14 02:15 +0000
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2022-02-14 08:52 +0100
Re: IPv6 Hardware Firewall jrg <jeff.g.group@att.net> - 2022-02-15 09:16 -0800
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| From | Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> |
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| Date | 2022-02-11 11:35 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <su6a98$mbm$1@tncsrv09.home.tnetconsulting.net> |
| In reply to | #5062 |
On 2/11/22 6:34 AM, Marco Moock wrote: > IPv4 link-local (used for APIPA, no routing, 169.254.0.0/16) "You mustn’t be afraid to dream a little bigger, darling." - Inception. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcGbnX8Ay38 > All not intended for connecting to other sites, only for internal stuff. Sadly, IPv6 site-local doesn't work for accessing the IPv6 internet, despite IPv6 NAT /because/ clients won't choose them for globally routed destinations. You /can/ route IPv6 link-local if you get creative. }:-) -- Grant. . . . unix || die
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| From | Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> |
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| Date | 2022-02-11 19:39 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <20220211193915.69a4c70c@ryz> |
| In reply to | #5065 |
Am Freitag, 11. Februar 2022, um 11:35:33 Uhr schrieb Grant Taylor: > Sadly, IPv6 site-local doesn't work for accessing the IPv6 internet, > despite IPv6 NAT /because/ clients won't choose them for globally > routed destinations. This is the right decision and was also intended for RF1918 addresses. > You /can/ route IPv6 link-local if you get creative. }:-) It is against the protocol to do so. You can change the software, but then it doesn't follow the RFC's rules.
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| From | Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> |
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| Date | 2022-02-11 12:06 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <su6c35$u9s$1@tncsrv09.home.tnetconsulting.net> |
| In reply to | #5066 |
On 2/11/22 11:39 AM, Marco Moock wrote: > This is the right decision ... Probably. I still have /some/ /minor/ qualms with it. > was also intended for RF1918 addresses. I disagree. RFC 1918 IP addresses were intended for (re)use by multiple networks. Auspiciously networks that would never have direct IP connectivity to other outside IP networks. However I'm not aware of any RFCs that state that RFC 1918 (or other non-globally routed IPs) should /not/ be used for non local network communications. Site to site and business to business VPNs wherein each site / business uses RFC 1918 IP addresses are prime examples of where RFC 1918 IPs are used for non-local communications. And the elephant in the room is all the RFC 1918 IP addresses that are being used to access the Internet via NAT. Conversely, there are codified rules that indicate that IPv6 site-local IP addresses SHOULD NOT be used to communicate with external entities. > It is against the protocol to do so. Are you sure? What about the /protocol/ changes, other than the value used for the end point addresses? The only thing that cares is an arbitrary filter that exists in some software stacks to smack you on the hand. The underlying IPv4 /protocol/ doesn't care. > You can change the software, but then it doesn't follow the RFC's > rules. What if the RFCs change such that a new RFC conflicts with an old RFC? Which one is wrong? Which one is correct? E.g. the ongoing effort to make part of 127/8 be globally routed. Or what about older RFCs that did not treat 100.64/10 as shared in a similar way as RFC 1918? The actual addresses don't matter to the software stack, save for the possibility of arbitrary filters. It's by /convention/ that we agree on how we will use some things. Site to site / business to business VPNs using non-conflicting RFC 1918 on either side is a perfect example of this. There is a *HUGE* difference in what the /technology/ supports as opposed to what usage /conventions/ approve of. -- Grant. . . . unix || die
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2022-02-12 10:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <su7vtg$82te$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #5065 |
Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> wrote: >Sadly, IPv6 site-local doesn't work for accessing the IPv6 internet, >despite IPv6 NAT /because/ clients won't choose them for globally routed >destinations. If you want IPv6 Intenet, you deply Global Unicast Addresses. >You /can/ route IPv6 link-local if you get creative. }:-) You don't need to be creative to use IPv6. It's all stupid, all easy. That's how networks should be. -- -------------------------------------- !! No courtesy copies, please !! ----- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Mannheim, Germany | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 621 72739834
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| From | Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> |
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| Date | 2022-02-12 19:36 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <su9qqh$qgt$1@tncsrv09.home.tnetconsulting.net> |
| In reply to | #5076 |
On 2/12/22 2:50 AM, Marc Haber wrote: > You don't need to be creative to use IPv6. It's all stupid, all easy. > That's how networks should be. The hardest part about IPv6 is getting an ISP that provides it. WAY too many don't provide IPv6. -- Grant. . . . unix || die
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| From | Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> |
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| Date | 2022-02-13 07:55 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <20220213075525.7aeae1b0@ryz> |
| In reply to | #5083 |
Am Samstag, 12. Februar 2022, um 19:36:15 Uhr schrieb Grant Taylor: > On 2/12/22 2:50 AM, Marc Haber wrote: > > You don't need to be creative to use IPv6. It's all stupid, all > > easy. That's how networks should be. > > The hardest part about IPv6 is getting an ISP that provides it. > > WAY too many don't provide IPv6. I completely agree. Here in Germany many small ISPs don't provide it, but the big ones like Deutsche Telekom provide it even for home customers.
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| From | Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> |
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| Date | 2022-02-13 03:59 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <slrnt0hlja.2fqr.BitTwister@wb.home.test> |
| In reply to | #5085 |
On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 07:55:25 +0100, Marco Moock wrote: > Am Samstag, 12. Februar 2022, um 19:36:15 Uhr schrieb Grant Taylor: > >> On 2/12/22 2:50 AM, Marc Haber wrote: >> > You don't need to be creative to use IPv6. It's all stupid, all >> > easy. That's how networks should be. >> >> The hardest part about IPv6 is getting an ISP that provides it. >> >> WAY too many don't provide IPv6. > > I completely agree. Here in Germany many small ISPs don't provide it, > but the big ones like Deutsche Telekom provide it even for home > customers. Frontier Fios here in Dallas Texas gives ipv4 $ wget -qO - http://icanhazip.com 47.183.233.188 -- The warranty and liability expired as you read this message. If the above breaks your system, it's yours and you keep both pieces. Practice safe computing. Backup the file before you change it. Do a, man command_here or cat command_here, before using it.
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| From | jrg <jeff.g.group@att.net> |
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| Date | 2022-02-13 14:02 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <subv65$uv8$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #5086 |
On 2/13/22 01:59, Bit Twister wrote: > Frontier Fios here in Dallas Texas gives ipv4 > $ wget -qO -http://icanhazip.com > 47.183.233.188 att gives me 2600:1700:79b1:20c0:2f4:8dff:fea6:fc3b no clue, just in passing.
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| From | Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> |
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| Date | 2022-02-13 18:05 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <slrnt0j76b.b6nt.BitTwister@wb.home.test> |
| In reply to | #5097 |
On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 14:02:44 -0800, jrg wrote: > On 2/13/22 01:59, Bit Twister wrote: > >> Frontier Fios here in Dallas Texas gives ipv4 >> $ wget -qO -http://icanhazip.com >> 47.183.233.188 > > att gives me > 2600:1700:79b1:20c0:2f4:8dff:fea6:fc3b > > no clue, just in passing. All those colons instead of 4 dots, tells me your isp, ATT-SBCIS, is giving out ipv6 addresses.
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| From | jrg <jeff.g.group@att.net> |
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| Date | 2022-02-15 09:13 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <sugn0i$1ds8$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #5099 |
On 2/13/22 16:05, Bit Twister wrote: > On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 14:02:44 -0800, jrg wrote: >> On 2/13/22 01:59, Bit Twister wrote: >> >>> Frontier Fios here in Dallas Texas gives ipv4 >>> $ wget -qO -http://icanhazip.com >>> 47.183.233.188 >> >> att gives me >> 2600:1700:79b1:20c0:2f4:8dff:fea6:fc3b >> >> no clue, just in passing. > > All those colons instead of 4 dots, tells me your isp, ATT-SBCIS, > is giving out ipv6 addresses. Thanks, that much I figured but am surprised you don't get ip6 in Dallas. I had never seen icanhazip before, don't know why, haven't been living under a rock...
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| From | Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> |
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| Date | 2022-02-15 11:36 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <slrnt0np5f.uchg.BitTwister@wb.home.test> |
| In reply to | #5105 |
On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 09:13:54 -0800, jrg wrote: > On 2/13/22 16:05, Bit Twister wrote: >> On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 14:02:44 -0800, jrg wrote: >>> On 2/13/22 01:59, Bit Twister wrote: >>> >>>> Frontier Fios here in Dallas Texas gives ipv4 >>>> $ wget -qO -http://icanhazip.com >>>> 47.183.233.188 >>> >>> att gives me >>> 2600:1700:79b1:20c0:2f4:8dff:fea6:fc3b >>> >>> no clue, just in passing. >> >> All those colons instead of 4 dots, tells me your isp, ATT-SBCIS, >> is giving out ipv6 addresses. > > Thanks, that much I figured but am surprised you don't get ip6 in > Dallas. Spectrum Cable is also giving ipv4 to customers. > I had never seen icanhazip before, don't know why, haven't been > living under a rock... Other options of getting your Internet ip address. curl http://icanhazip.com curl http://ident.me curl whatismyip.akamai.com curl https://ipecho.net/plain wget -qO - http://icanhazip.com wget -qO - http://ident.me/ wget -qO - http://smxi.org/opt/ip.php wget -qO - https://ipecho.net/plain wget -qO - http://myip.dnsomatic.com/
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| From | jrg <jeff.g.group@att.net> |
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| Date | 2022-02-15 20:32 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <suhup6$h4d$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #5108 |
On 2/15/22 09:36, Bit Twister wrote: > Other options of getting your Internet ip address. <snip> ifconfig is fine for me, thanks
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| From | "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> |
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| Date | 2022-02-15 23:39 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <op.1hn1wee4a3w0dxdave@hodgins.homeip.net> |
| In reply to | #5125 |
On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 23:32:36 -0500, jrg <jeff.g.group@att.net> wrote: > On 2/15/22 09:36, Bit Twister wrote: >> Other options of getting your Internet ip address. > ifconfig is fine for me, thanks For ipv6, yes but for ipv4 it's the lan address, unless you only have one computer, directly connected to the modem. Regards, Dave Hodgins
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2022-02-13 13:52 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <suauud$d730$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #5083 |
Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> wrote: >On 2/12/22 2:50 AM, Marc Haber wrote: >> You don't need to be creative to use IPv6. It's all stupid, all easy. >> That's how networks should be. > >The hardest part about IPv6 is getting an ISP that provides it. > >WAY too many don't provide IPv6. Thankfully, in technologically advanced countries dual stack or dual stack lite Internet Access is commodity and easily bought on the market, even with competetive pricing. Greetings Marc -- -------------------------------------- !! No courtesy copies, please !! ----- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Mannheim, Germany | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 621 72739834
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| From | Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> |
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| Date | 2022-02-15 11:50 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <sugskr$73a$2@tncsrv09.home.tnetconsulting.net> |
| In reply to | #5089 |
On 2/13/22 5:52 AM, Marc Haber wrote: > Thankfully, in technologically advanced countries dual stack or dual > stack lite Internet Access is commodity and easily bought on the > market, even with competetive pricing. There have been MANY technologies to more easily provide IPv6 access than going dual-stack from end-to-end. Sadly, many ISPs aren't utilizing them. -- Grant. . . . unix || die
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| From | Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> |
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| Date | 2022-02-15 20:09 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <20220215200938.10081c2b@ryz> |
| In reply to | #5110 |
Am Dienstag, 15. Februar 2022, um 11:50:18 Uhr schrieb Grant Taylor: > There have been MANY technologies to more easily provide IPv6 access > than going dual-stack from end-to-end. Sadly, many ISPs aren't > utilizing them. I know, it is really sad. Especially customers behind CG-NAT aren't able to use SIT to get IPv6 connectivity.
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| From | Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> |
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| Date | 2022-02-11 11:29 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <su69tq$haj$2@tncsrv09.home.tnetconsulting.net> |
| In reply to | #5061 |
On 2/11/22 6:22 AM, Marc Haber wrote: > Which ones, for example? Pick any U.S. DoD prefix for starters. }:-) Or any other entity that you know that you're not going to communicate with. In many ways, the world is your oyster. ProTip: IP addresses / network prefixes are /locally/ /significant/. -- Once you truly grok anycast and how it works, you can get *REALLY* creative. -- Grant. . . . unix || die
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2022-02-12 10:52 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <su800s$82u7$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #5064 |
Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> wrote: >On 2/11/22 6:22 AM, Marc Haber wrote: >> Which ones, for example? > >Pick any U.S. DoD prefix for starters. }:-) Those belong to the U.S. DoD. You're not supposed to use them. >Or any other entity that you know that you're not going to communicate with. That's a really stupid idea. >-- Once you truly grok anycast and how it works, you can get *REALLY* >creative. Networks are not supposed to be creative. They're supposed to work. And the simpler they are, the more reliable are they. -- -------------------------------------- !! No courtesy copies, please !! ----- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Mannheim, Germany | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 621 72739834
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| From | Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> |
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| Date | 2022-02-12 19:40 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <su9r2e$au4$1@tncsrv09.home.tnetconsulting.net> |
| In reply to | #5077 |
On 2/12/22 2:52 AM, Marc Haber wrote: > Those belong to the U.S. DoD. You're not supposed to use them. And yet there are many people doing exactly that. Or using someone else's network. > That's a really stupid idea. I didn't say that squatting on someone else's IP space was a good idea. > Networks are not supposed to be creative. They're supposed to work. > And the simpler they are, the more reliable are they. And how is having many (upwards of 10) IPv6 addresses on a single machine /simpler/? What do you do if the multiple enterprises are using site-local, despite the deprecation? How do you address the conflict /simply/ then? -- Grant. . . . unix || die
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2022-02-13 13:58 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <suav9e$d7k7$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #5084 |
Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> wrote: >On 2/12/22 2:52 AM, Marc Haber wrote: >> Networks are not supposed to be creative. They're supposed to work. >> And the simpler they are, the more reliable are they. >And how is having many (upwards of 10) IPv6 addresses on a single >machine /simpler/? You're fantasizing. In my most complex network (it's my home network) I have at minimum four IPv6 addresses per machine¹, and that's just cause I am too cheap to get decent BGP redundancy for my home. Any business customer with a mind is going to have their own address space and builds redundnacy network wise, which makes the network setup on the actual server even easier. ¹ link local, SLAAC from the expensive, but static prefix, static Unique Global Unicast from the expensive prefix for ssh, and SLAAC from the dynamic but cheap and fast prefix for downloads. Add service IP addresses from the expensive static prefix at will, I am a big fan of having one IP address per service, which is WAY easier and WAY cheaper with IPv4. New setups I build with IPv6 only and provide IPv4 accress via NAT (mainly for github, who have not woken up yet) and IPv4 services via reverse proxy / ALG. >What do you do if the multiple enterprises are using site-local, despite >the deprecation? Organizational failure to adapt to changed environment. The market will solve that, given enough time. >How do you address the conflict /simply/ then? I am not a psychologist. -- -------------------------------------- !! No courtesy copies, please !! ----- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Mannheim, Germany | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 621 72739834
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