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| Started by | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| First post | 2026-01-20 21:00 +0000 |
| Last post | 2026-01-21 09:12 +0100 |
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“What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-20 21:00 +0000
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-20 13:15 -0800
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-21 08:21 +0000
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Jason H <jason_hindle@yahoo.com> - 2026-01-21 21:24 +0000
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-21 13:52 -0800
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-20 21:43 +0000
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-20 23:28 +0100
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-21 03:44 +0000
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-20 23:07 -0500
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-21 09:15 +0100
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-21 09:14 +0100
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-21 08:22 +0000
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-21 11:53 +0100
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-21 22:18 +0100
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-20 19:47 -0500
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-01-21 01:40 +0000
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-20 20:59 -0500
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-01-21 08:50 +0000
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-21 11:19 +0100
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-21 07:35 -0500
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-21 12:43 +0000
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-21 23:50 +0000
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-21 19:12 -0500
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-22 00:20 +0000
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-22 10:12 +0000
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-22 20:40 +0000
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Ralf Fassel <ralfixx@gmx.de> - 2026-01-22 14:45 +0100
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2026-01-22 09:57 -0600
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-22 18:51 +0100
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-22 20:13 +0000
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-22 12:30 -0800
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-23 05:55 +0000
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-23 14:37 +0100
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-23 22:09 +0000
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-23 23:27 +0100
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-20 21:03 -0800
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-21 11:19 +0100
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-21 23:44 +0000
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-22 10:40 +0100
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-22 21:03 +0000
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-23 12:29 +0100
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 w ays you should abso lutely never use it ” vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-01-23 14:46 +0000
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-21 08:50 +0000
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-21 11:19 +0100
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-21 18:33 +0000
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-21 14:33 -0500
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-21 21:15 +0000
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-21 18:59 -0500
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-22 05:26 +0000
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-21 20:07 +0000
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-21 23:49 +0000
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-21 01:00 +0000
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-21 09:14 +0100
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-21 10:00 +0000
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-21 12:04 +0100
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-21 22:32 +0100
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-21 23:51 +0000
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-22 03:06 +0100
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-22 10:42 +0100
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-22 10:11 +0000
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-22 21:42 +0100
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-22 20:44 +0000
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-22 13:06 +0100
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-22 12:30 +0000
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-22 21:11 +0000
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-01-22 11:24 +0100
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-22 11:52 +0000
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-22 13:08 +0100
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-01-22 17:50 +0100
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-22 17:17 +0000
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-22 20:15 +0100
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-22 21:08 +0000
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-22 22:46 +0100
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-23 11:04 +0000
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-23 12:32 +0100
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-23 15:00 +0100
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-23 18:16 +0100
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-23 09:32 -0800
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-23 18:19 +0000
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-24 14:22 +0100
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-25 09:45 +0000
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-25 17:14 +0000
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-25 21:52 +0100
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-25 15:31 -0800
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-26 12:00 +0000
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-23 21:00 +0000
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-23 22:30 +0100
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-23 22:30 +0000
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-24 14:21 +0100
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-24 21:05 +0000
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-25 15:05 +0100
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-01-24 11:31 +0000
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-24 14:19 +0100
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-23 12:30 +0100
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-22 21:06 +0000
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2026-01-23 15:10 +0000
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-22 21:05 +0000
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-22 22:48 +0100
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-23 12:32 +0100
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-23 11:40 +0000
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-23 18:17 +0100
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-23 18:20 +0000
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-23 22:36 +0000
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-23 21:44 -0800
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-24 14:23 +0100
Re: “What a Linux root user can do - and 8 ways you should absolutely never use it” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-21 09:12 +0100
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2026-01-22 21:42 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10ku23c$3epto$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #81478 |
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >On 22/01/2026 09:42, Marc Haber wrote: >> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >>> On 2026-01-22 00:51, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>>> On Wed, 21 Jan 2026 22:32:57 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> >>>>> When repairing the computer, /home is out of commission, and text >>>>> login does not work, for some reason. >>>> >>>> If text logins don’t work, how would you expect GUI logins to work? >>> >>> I have seen it happen once. >>> >>> Nobody could login in text mode because one of the tools doing it was >>> broken in an update, while the graphical login used different tools. >> >> I find it interesting which exotic use cases people cough up to >> justify their own every-day insecure usage. >> >Being root is not ordinary everyday usage. You're missing the point. >It is for emergencies and dramatic reconfigurations. >I guess by your standards having a full backup isn't justified either.. You're guessing wrong. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-22 20:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10ku27r$3bbvo$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81513 |
On 22/01/2026 20:42, Marc Haber wrote: > The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> On 22/01/2026 09:42, Marc Haber wrote: >>> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >>>> On 2026-01-22 00:51, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 21 Jan 2026 22:32:57 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> When repairing the computer, /home is out of commission, and text >>>>>> login does not work, for some reason. >>>>> >>>>> If text logins don’t work, how would you expect GUI logins to work? >>>> >>>> I have seen it happen once. >>>> >>>> Nobody could login in text mode because one of the tools doing it was >>>> broken in an update, while the graphical login used different tools. >>> >>> I find it interesting which exotic use cases people cough up to >>> justify their own every-day insecure usage. >>> >> Being root is not ordinary everyday usage. > > You're missing the point. > >> It is for emergencies and dramatic reconfigurations. >> I guess by your standards having a full backup isn't justified either.. > > You're guessing wrong. > But it isn't an ordinary every day thing to need to restore. -- There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact. Mark Twain
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-22 13:06 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <geg94mxjik.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #81471 |
On 2026-01-22 10:42, Marc Haber wrote: > "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >> On 2026-01-22 00:51, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>> On Wed, 21 Jan 2026 22:32:57 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> >>>> When repairing the computer, /home is out of commission, and text >>>> login does not work, for some reason. >>> >>> If text logins don’t work, how would you expect GUI logins to work? >> >> I have seen it happen once. >> >> Nobody could login in text mode because one of the tools doing it was >> broken in an update, while the graphical login used different tools. > > I find it interesting which exotic use cases people cough up to > justify their own every-day insecure usage. Where do you get that I, or we, login every day as root? -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-22 12:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10kt59l$2v8br$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81483 |
On 22/01/2026 12:06, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2026-01-22 10:42, Marc Haber wrote: >> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >>> On 2026-01-22 00:51, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>>> On Wed, 21 Jan 2026 22:32:57 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> >>>>> When repairing the computer, /home is out of commission, and text >>>>> login does not work, for some reason. >>>> >>>> If text logins don’t work, how would you expect GUI logins to work? >>> >>> I have seen it happen once. >>> >>> Nobody could login in text mode because one of the tools doing it was >>> broken in an update, while the graphical login used different tools. >> >> I find it interesting which exotic use cases people cough up to >> justify their own every-day insecure usage. > > Where do you get that I, or we, login every day as root? > It is the only assumption he can make to support an increasingly weak debating position. -- "An intellectual is a person knowledgeable in one field who speaks out only in others...” Tom Wolfe
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-22 21:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10ku3pf$3bc8q$8@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81462 |
On Thu, 22 Jan 2026 03:06:03 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2026-01-22 00:51, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> >> On Wed, 21 Jan 2026 22:32:57 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> >>> When repairing the computer, /home is out of commission, and text >>> login does not work, for some reason. >> >> If text logins don’t work, how would you expect GUI logins to work? > > I have seen it happen once. > > Nobody could login in text mode because one of the tools doing it > was broken in an update, while the graphical login used different > tools. I’ve never seen that, but in any case, I can think of several likely ways of fixing it. E.g. booting in single-user mode used to work, but I think the convention nowadays is to demand the root password even then. So how about booting with “init=/bin/bash”? As a last resort, there is SystemRescue ... always keep a copy handy on a USB stick!
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| From | Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> |
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| Date | 2026-01-22 11:24 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <877btarlle.fsf@eder.anydns.info> |
| In reply to | #81444 |
On Mi 21 Jan 2026 at 22:32, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2026-01-21 11:00, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 21/01/2026 08:14, Marc Haber wrote: >>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>>> Become root with 'sudo su -' >>> >>> See my posting from a minute ago and read up about sudo -i. And then >>> don't use it. >>> >>>> I think it was OpenSUSE where if you were root >>>> the wallpaper turned bright red with round, black bombs with smoking >>>> fuses. >>> >>> Don't ever ever start a desktop environment as root. >>> >> I cant imagine why I would ever want to... > > I can. > > For instance, when installing the computer and need to do many things > as root. Saves time. Just open a terminal window and change to root. 'Andreas -- ceterum censeo redmondinem esse delendam
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-22 11:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10kt313$2v8br$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81481 |
On 22/01/2026 10:24, Andreas Eder wrote: > On Mi 21 Jan 2026 at 22:32, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> On 2026-01-21 11:00, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 21/01/2026 08:14, Marc Haber wrote: >>>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>>>> Become root with 'sudo su -' >>>> >>>> See my posting from a minute ago and read up about sudo -i. And then >>>> don't use it. >>>> >>>>> I think it was OpenSUSE where if you were root >>>>> the wallpaper turned bright red with round, black bombs with smoking >>>>> fuses. >>>> >>>> Don't ever ever start a desktop environment as root. >>>> >>> I cant imagine why I would ever want to... >> >> I can. >> >> For instance, when installing the computer and need to do many things >> as root. Saves time. > > Just open a terminal window and change to root. > Indeed. Or set up a root terminal window as a preconfigured option. I used to do that but lately Linux has been so stable it's barely necessary to change anything root-ish > 'Andreas > -- In a Time of Universal Deceit, Telling the Truth Is a Revolutionary Act. - George Orwell
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-22 13:08 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <vig94mxjik.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #81481 |
On 2026-01-22 11:24, Andreas Eder wrote: > On Mi 21 Jan 2026 at 22:32, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> On 2026-01-21 11:00, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 21/01/2026 08:14, Marc Haber wrote: >>>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>>>> Become root with 'sudo su -' >>>> >>>> See my posting from a minute ago and read up about sudo -i. And then >>>> don't use it. >>>> >>>>> I think it was OpenSUSE where if you were root >>>>> the wallpaper turned bright red with round, black bombs with smoking >>>>> fuses. >>>> >>>> Don't ever ever start a desktop environment as root. >>>> >>> I cant imagine why I would ever want to... >> >> I can. >> >> For instance, when installing the computer and need to do many things >> as root. Saves time. > > Just open a terminal window and change to root. One? I'm talking about opening a dozen terminals as root. Plus using GUI tools that have to be used as root. Like YaST, or gparted. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> |
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| Date | 2026-01-22 17:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <87y0lpr3qz.fsf@eder.anydns.info> |
| In reply to | #81484 |
On Do 22 Jan 2026 at 13:08, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2026-01-22 11:24, Andreas Eder wrote: >> On Mi 21 Jan 2026 at 22:32, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> >>> On 2026-01-21 11:00, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> On 21/01/2026 08:14, Marc Haber wrote: >>>>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>>>>> Become root with 'sudo su -' >>>>> >>>>> See my posting from a minute ago and read up about sudo -i. And then >>>>> don't use it. >>>>> >>>>>> I think it was OpenSUSE where if you were root >>>>>> the wallpaper turned bright red with round, black bombs with smoking >>>>>> fuses. >>>>> >>>>> Don't ever ever start a desktop environment as root. >>>>> >>>> I cant imagine why I would ever want to... >>> >>> I can. >>> >>> For instance, when installing the computer and need to do many things >>> as root. Saves time. >> Just open a terminal window and change to root. > > One? I'm talking about opening a dozen terminals as root. Plus using > GUI tools that have to be used as root. Like YaST, or gparted. Have you ever heard of screen or tmux? But if you really want more terminals, well so be it, but there is still no need for a desktop session for root. 'Andreas -- ceterum censeo redmondinem esse delendam
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-22 17:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10ktm3t$36084$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81500 |
On 22/01/2026 16:50, Andreas Eder wrote: > Have you ever heard of screen or tmux? > But if you really want more terminals, well so be it, but there is still > no need for a desktop session for root. This isn't about need, its about want. However there used to be a root terminal app in Linux Mint somewhere. Probably needed a password tho -- “It is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong.” ― Voltaire, The Age of Louis XIV
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-22 20:15 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ti9a4mxacq.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #81500 |
On 2026-01-22 17:50, Andreas Eder wrote: > On Do 22 Jan 2026 at 13:08, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> On 2026-01-22 11:24, Andreas Eder wrote: >>> On Mi 21 Jan 2026 at 22:32, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> >>>> On 2026-01-21 11:00, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>> On 21/01/2026 08:14, Marc Haber wrote: >>>>>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>>>>>> Become root with 'sudo su -' >>>>>> >>>>>> See my posting from a minute ago and read up about sudo -i. And then >>>>>> don't use it. >>>>>> >>>>>>> I think it was OpenSUSE where if you were root >>>>>>> the wallpaper turned bright red with round, black bombs with smoking >>>>>>> fuses. >>>>>> >>>>>> Don't ever ever start a desktop environment as root. >>>>>> >>>>> I cant imagine why I would ever want to... >>>> >>>> I can. >>>> >>>> For instance, when installing the computer and need to do many things >>>> as root. Saves time. >>> Just open a terminal window and change to root. >> >> One? I'm talking about opening a dozen terminals as root. Plus using >> GUI tools that have to be used as root. Like YaST, or gparted. > > Have you ever heard of screen or tmux? Puagh. :-D Yes, I know of it, I use tmux every day. > But if you really want more terminals, well so be it, but there is still > no need for a desktop session for root. No need, ok. But it is possible to use it to some advantage. I don't see a need to prohibit root opening a graphical session. If I am going to do system administrative work, having to type the password a lot is a hindrance. If there is a danger somewhere, well develop something so that it is no longer a danger. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-22 21:08 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10ku3kq$3bc8q$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81507 |
On Thu, 22 Jan 2026 20:15:09 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > I don't see a need to prohibit root opening a graphical session. The problem with logging into a GUI session as root is GUI tools are notoriously buggy. Root privilege already makes it so easy to invoke actions you didn’t mean to; the greater complexity of GUI apps just takes the potential for unexpected side-effects to a whole new level.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-22 22:46 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <udia4mx8fl.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #81519 |
On 2026-01-22 22:08, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Thu, 22 Jan 2026 20:15:09 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> I don't see a need to prohibit root opening a graphical session. > > The problem with logging into a GUI session as root is GUI tools are > notoriously buggy. Root privilege already makes it so easy to invoke > actions you didn’t mean to; the greater complexity of GUI apps just > takes the potential for unexpected side-effects to a whole new level. I never noticed any issue. After all, normally I have to "su -" in a terminal, then call the graphical tool I need to run as root. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-23 11:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10kvkjq$3qqke$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81523 |
On 22/01/2026 21:46, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2026-01-22 22:08, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> On Thu, 22 Jan 2026 20:15:09 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> >>> I don't see a need to prohibit root opening a graphical session. >> >> The problem with logging into a GUI session as root is GUI tools are >> notoriously buggy. Root privilege already makes it so easy to invoke >> actions you didn’t mean to; the greater complexity of GUI apps just >> takes the potential for unexpected side-effects to a whole new level. > > I never noticed any issue. After all, normally I have to "su -" in a > terminal, then call the graphical tool I need to run as root. > That work, too -- You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone. Al Capone
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2026-01-23 12:32 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10kvm7q$3jkmj$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #81523 |
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >I never noticed any issue. Those, said in regard to security vulnerability, qualifies as "famous last word". I hope you were mocking us saying that. >After all, normally I have to "su -" in a >terminal, then call the graphical tool I need to run as root. So su - preserves DISPLAY? And, does that still work with wayland? And, where have you been in the decade since the desktop environments began having their own method to call GUI things with elevated privileges (which they often do better than in the classical way). At least the xhost + (which was always a decidedly bad idea) has become uncommon in these days. Greetings Marc -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-23 15:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <8hbc4mxcln.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #81537 |
On 2026-01-23 12:32, Marc Haber wrote: > "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >> I never noticed any issue. > > Those, said in regard to security vulnerability, qualifies as "famous > last word". I hope you were mocking us saying that. Not really. If something happens, it is a bug and I report it. :-) I hate to say it, but Windows works that way. Are we worse than them, we don't trust our tools to work properly? >:-) > >> After all, normally I have to "su -" in a >> terminal, then call the graphical tool I need to run as root. > > So su - preserves DISPLAY? cer@Telcontar:~> echo $DISPLAY :0.0 You have mail in /var/spool/mail/cer cer@Telcontar:~> su - Password: Telcontar:~ # echo $DISPLAY :0.0 Telcontar:~ # With this method, I can call dozens of graphical tools simultaneously with only one password typing. > And, does that still work with wayland? No idea, I don't have any machine with it. > And, where have you been in the decade since the desktop environments > began having their own method to call GUI things with elevated > privileges (which they often do better than in the classical way). Like...? They are used in menu entries, I assume. But why would I use them? > > At least the xhost + (which was always a decidedly bad idea) has > become uncommon in these days. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2026-01-23 18:16 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10l0ae6$3lhmc$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #81549 |
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >On 2026-01-23 12:32, Marc Haber wrote: >> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >>> I never noticed any issue. >> >> Those, said in regard to security vulnerability, qualifies as "famous >> last word". I hope you were mocking us saying that. > >Not really. If something happens, it is a bug and I report it. :-) Pretty arrogant that you think that you'll notice something happening. >With this method, I can call dozens of graphical tools simultaneously >with only one password typing. Until you start using wayland. Btw, you only need to type the password once until you take 15 minute break with sudo. >> And, does that still work with wayland? > >No idea, I don't have any machine with it. You will, sooner or later. >But why would I use them? Because you're too lazy for the command line? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-23 09:32 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <20260123093215.00006c97@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #81556 |
On Fri, 23 Jan 2026 18:16:53 +0100 Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote: > > > And, does that still work with wayland? > > > No idea, I don't have any machine with it. > > You will, sooner or later. That remains to be seen, at this point.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-23 18:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10l0e3e$4n3q$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81556 |
On 23/01/2026 17:16, Marc Haber wrote: > "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > >> But why would I use them? > > Because you're too lazy for the command line? > Yet more personal attacks from the netgroup Nazi -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. -- Yogi Berra
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2026-01-24 14:22 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10l2h20$3tonj$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #81559 |
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >Yet more personal attacks from the netgroup Nazi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law 10/10. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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