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Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved

Started byc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
First post2025-07-27 03:11 -0400
Last post2025-07-29 21:47 +0100
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  Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-27 03:11 -0400
    Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-27 12:05 +0100
      Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-27 17:53 -0400
        Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-28 05:13 +0000
          Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-28 02:34 -0400
            Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-28 20:59 +0000
              Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-28 22:28 +0100
        Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-28 14:15 +0200
          Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-19 02:42 +0000
        Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-28 13:18 +0100
          Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-29 03:35 -0400
            Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-29 19:39 +0000
          Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-29 09:46 +0200
            Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-07-29 09:56 +0100
              Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-29 20:33 +0200
          Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-19 02:46 +0000
        Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-07-29 09:14 +1000
          Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-19 02:41 +0000
            Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-08-21 07:48 +1000
              Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-21 03:50 -0400
                Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-08-22 09:10 +1000
    Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-27 14:06 +0200
      Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-27 18:21 +0000
        Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-27 18:00 -0400
          Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-28 05:10 +0000
          Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-28 13:24 +0100
            Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-29 03:38 -0400
              Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 10:50 +0100
                Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-07-29 10:57 +0100
                  Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 13:10 +0100
                Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-29 14:13 +0200
                Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-29 19:46 +0000
                  Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 21:16 +0100
                    Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-30 00:30 +0000
                    Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-30 00:35 +0000
                      Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-07-29 17:51 -0700
                        Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-30 04:44 +0000
                          Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-30 02:03 -0400
                            Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-30 11:22 +0100
                              Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-30 18:24 +0000
                                Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-30 23:36 -0400
                                  Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-31 06:31 +0000
                                  Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-31 13:50 +0100
                            Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-07-30 07:46 -0700
                      Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-30 02:21 -0400
                        Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-30 11:25 +0100
                          Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-30 19:13 +0000
                            Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-31 01:02 +0100
                              Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-31 03:18 +0000
                                Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-31 13:39 +0100
                        Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-30 18:36 +0000
                      Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-07-30 06:31 +0000
                        Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-30 11:28 +0100
                        Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-30 19:24 +0000
              Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-07-29 10:16 -0700
                Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-29 19:35 +0200
                Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 20:35 +0100
                  Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-30 00:28 +0000
                Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-29 19:50 +0000
                  Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 21:19 +0100
                    Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-30 17:40 +0200
                      Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-31 00:56 +0100
                        Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-31 06:01 +0200
      Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-27 22:21 -0400
        Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-28 05:17 +0000
        Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-28 13:26 +0100
          Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-07-28 15:56 +0100
            Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-28 16:54 +0100
          Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-29 09:50 +0200
            Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 10:57 +0100
    Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-07-27 17:49 +0100
      Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-27 17:55 -0400
      Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-27 22:37 -0400
        Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-07-28 06:34 +0100
          Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-28 03:28 -0400
            Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-07-28 08:36 +0100
            Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-28 13:29 +0100
              Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-29 04:05 -0400
                Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 11:08 +0100
                Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-202507.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2025-07-29 13:45 +0200
                  Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-07-30 08:59 +1000
            Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-07-28 21:46 +0000
              Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-29 09:52 +0200
                Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 10:59 +0100
                  Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-29 20:39 +0200
                    Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 21:03 +0100
                      Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-07-30 08:12 +0000
                        Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-30 11:30 +0100
                        Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-30 19:33 +0000
                          Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-30 22:20 +0200
                            Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-31 03:21 +0000
                              Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-31 06:01 +0200
                                Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-31 06:23 +0000
                                  Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-31 13:58 +0100
                                    Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-31 14:44 +0100
                                      Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-31 19:39 +0000
                                    Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-31 19:27 +0000
                                  Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-31 14:04 +0100
                                    Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-31 19:49 +0000
                                      Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-31 22:49 -0400
                                        Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-01 08:11 +0100
                                        Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-01 14:07 +0200
                                          Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-01 18:00 +0100
                                            Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-01 19:58 +0200
                                              Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-01 20:37 +0000
                                                Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-02 03:36 +0200
                                                  Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-02 06:23 +0000
                                              Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-02 02:34 -0400
                                                Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-02 14:05 +0200
                                                  Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-02 14:35 +0100
                                                    Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-02 21:25 -0400
                                                      Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-03 05:48 +0000
                                                        Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-03 01:53 -0400
                                                    Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-08-03 03:36 +0000
                                                      Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-03 01:25 -0400
                                                      Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-03 05:43 +0000
                                                  Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-02 20:01 +0000
                                                    Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-02 22:56 +0200
                                                      Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-03 05:34 +0000
                                                        Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-08-03 08:53 -0400
                                                          Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-03 17:38 +0000
                                                    Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-03 08:26 +0100
                                                      Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-03 04:06 -0400
                                                        Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-03 09:50 +0100
                                                  Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-02 21:09 -0400
                                                    Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-03 15:54 +0200
                                  Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-31 20:01 +0200
                          Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-30 23:25 -0400
                            Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-31 06:35 +0000
                      Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-30 17:43 +0200
          Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-28 13:27 +0100
    Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-07-28 08:44 -0700
      Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-28 16:56 +0100
        Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-29 14:23 +0200
          Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 13:40 +0100
            Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-29 20:42 +0200
              Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 21:11 +0100
                Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-30 17:43 +0200
                  Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-31 00:09 -0400
                    Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-31 20:07 +0200
                      Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-31 19:55 +0000
                        Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-31 22:25 +0200
                          Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-08-01 09:09 +1000
                            Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-01 00:54 -0400
                              Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-01 08:35 +0100
                          Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-01 01:44 +0000
                            Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-31 22:52 -0400
                          Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-01 08:25 +0100
                        Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-01 08:14 +0100
                          Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-02 01:34 -0400
                            Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-04 08:50 -0700
                              Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-04 19:00 +0100
                                Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-04 11:11 -0700
                                  Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-05 11:01 +0100
                                    Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-05 12:32 +0200
                                      Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-05 11:47 +0100
                                        Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-05 12:58 +0200
                                          Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-05 12:58 +0100
                                            Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-05 21:32 +0200
                                          Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-05 15:20 +0200
                                            Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-05 21:25 +0200
                                              Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-06 07:48 +0200
                                                Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-06 12:52 +0200
                                                  Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-06 13:52 +0200
                                                    Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-06 14:20 +0200
                                                    Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-06 16:07 +0200
                                        Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-05 15:20 +0200
                                          Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-05 14:49 +0100
                                      Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-05 15:19 +0200
                                    Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-05 15:18 +0200
                                      Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-05 14:38 +0100
                                      Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-05 21:27 +0200
                                        Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-05 20:44 +0100
                                          Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-06 12:57 +0200
                                            Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-06 12:02 +0100
                                              Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-06 14:23 +0200
                                                Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-06 13:33 +0100
                                                  Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-06 15:55 +0100
                                                    Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-06 16:23 +0100
                                        Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-06 07:49 +0200
                                          Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-08-06 08:21 +0200
                                            Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-06 11:11 +0200
                                              Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-08-06 12:08 +0200
                                                Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-06 11:18 +0100
                                                  Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-06 13:53 +0200
                                                Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-06 13:52 +0200
              Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-29 22:18 +0200
                Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 21:47 +0100

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#70216

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-08-01 08:11 +0100
Message-ID<106hpav$88k1$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#70212
On 01/08/2025 03:49, c186282 wrote:
> On 7/31/25 3:49 PM, rbowman wrote:
>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2025 14:04:02 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> What I like is its more than a 5Mbps down 5i2kbps up that was subject to
>>> line issues on a monthly basis. And data is not capped in any way.
>>
>> I have a 100 GB/month cap and rarely hit it. In fact at the moment it
>> reports 21.928 GB used as of 07/30/2025, and it rolls over on 8/12. Some
>> months I use more but the current crop of Prime or Netflix videos aren't
>> all that appealing and I haven't been watching youtube tutorials.
>>
>> Many people wouldn't be happy but it works for me. It was like pulling
>> teeth to get Verizon to fess up to a data only plan with a decent cap.
>> They push phone plans with data dangled on the side. My phone is not
>> Verizon and has a 5 GB cap that I've never gotten close to.
> 
>    Note that SOME people - even with naught but just
>    little phones - just HAVE to stream 4K/8K video all
>    the time.
> 

Well I like to stream video, but my monitors are HD only - not 4k

I could stream on 5Mbps no problem. That worked out to be around 1.5Mbps



-- 
Truth welcomes investigation because truth knows investigation will lead 
to converts. It is deception that uses all the other techniques.

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#70225

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-08-01 14:07 +0200
Message-ID<v9nullxpqg.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#70212
On 2025-08-01 04:49, c186282 wrote:
> On 7/31/25 3:49 PM, rbowman wrote:
>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2025 14:04:02 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:


>    Got my 5G booster device. Alas gotta drill a hole in
>    my old, basically solid-poured concrete, house to
>    hold the outside antenna. While nothing in the
>    printed docs there's a small-print sticker on the
>    thing saying I'm supposed to "register" it with
>    my provider. Kinda too much work ...
> 
>    May not proceed.

I had visitors from over the pond. They saw me drilling holes in my 
brick and concrete walls (to hang some new curtains), they were astonished.

Piece of cake :-p

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#70231

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-08-01 18:00 +0100
Message-ID<106irqq$h20u$6@dont-email.me>
In reply to#70225
On 01/08/2025 13:07, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-08-01 04:49, c186282 wrote:
>> On 7/31/25 3:49 PM, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2025 14:04:02 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
> 
>>    Got my 5G booster device. Alas gotta drill a hole in
>>    my old, basically solid-poured concrete, house to
>>    hold the outside antenna. While nothing in the
>>    printed docs there's a small-print sticker on the
>>    thing saying I'm supposed to "register" it with
>>    my provider. Kinda too much work ...
>>
>>    May not proceed.
> 
> I had visitors from over the pond. They saw me drilling holes in my 
> brick and concrete walls (to hang some new curtains), they were astonished.
> 
> Piece of cake :-p
> 
Clearly they weren't from Germany ir the Uk then :0)
-- 
The lifetime of any political organisation is about three years before 
its been subverted by the people it tried to warn you about.

Anon.

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#70233

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-08-01 19:58 +0200
Message-ID<eqbvllxjk2.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#70231
On 2025-08-01 19:00, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 01/08/2025 13:07, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2025-08-01 04:49, c186282 wrote:
>>> On 7/31/25 3:49 PM, rbowman wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2025 14:04:02 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>
>>>    Got my 5G booster device. Alas gotta drill a hole in
>>>    my old, basically solid-poured concrete, house to
>>>    hold the outside antenna. While nothing in the
>>>    printed docs there's a small-print sticker on the
>>>    thing saying I'm supposed to "register" it with
>>>    my provider. Kinda too much work ...
>>>
>>>    May not proceed.
>>
>> I had visitors from over the pond. They saw me drilling holes in my 
>> brick and concrete walls (to hang some new curtains), they were 
>> astonished.
>>
>> Piece of cake :-p
>>
> Clearly they weren't from Germany ir the Uk then :0)

Mind you, I saw my father make holes with a bit and a hammer to hang a 
picture, and it was dreary work⁽¹⁾. An hour or two. He only had a hand 
powered drill. Now, when he finally bought a small electric drill, that 
made a whooping difference. And much later, I bought a drill with 
hammering function, lots better/faster. That's when it became a piece of 
cake :-)


(1)  Of course, a large hammer would do a hole much faster, but then you 
had to fill the resulting big hole with plaster or cement with a small 
wood cylinder inside, where the nail would go.


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#70238

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-08-01 20:37 +0000
Message-ID<mf4ms9Ftgr9U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#70233
On Fri, 1 Aug 2025 19:58:06 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> Mind you, I saw my father make holes with a bit and a hammer to hang a
> picture, and it was dreary work⁽¹⁾. An hour or two. He only had a hand
> powered drill. Now, when he finally bought a small electric drill, that
> made a whooping difference. And much later, I bought a drill with
> hammering function, lots better/faster. That's when it became a piece of
> cake

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdkkuMkcw6M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDpvkwBBu6U

You might want to turn the captions on for the second one. Hammer drills 
are fine for one or two holes every now and then but if you're doing 
serious work get a Hilti.  (Like Kleenex there are other brands but they 
get called Hiltis anyway)

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#70244

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-08-02 03:36 +0200
Message-ID<nl60mlx3b.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#70238
On 2025-08-01 22:37, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Aug 2025 19:58:06 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
>> Mind you, I saw my father make holes with a bit and a hammer to hang a
>> picture, and it was dreary work⁽¹⁾. An hour or two. He only had a hand
>> powered drill. Now, when he finally bought a small electric drill, that
>> made a whooping difference. And much later, I bought a drill with
>> hammering function, lots better/faster. That's when it became a piece of
>> cake
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdkkuMkcw6M
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDpvkwBBu6U
> 
> You might want to turn the captions on for the second one. 

No kidding :-)

> Hammer drills
> are fine for one or two holes every now and then but if you're doing
> serious work get a Hilti.  (Like Kleenex there are other brands but they
> get called Hiltis anyway)

I know hiltis. Once I drove over one that was in the middle of the 
asphalt. The chap picked it up and kept drilling with it as if nothing 
happened. He did not even shout at me.


I don't know if the chaps that put a "false ceiling" on my house used 
one of those powder actuated tools, but I know that the hole went 
through to the other side of my inside partition wall, about 6 cm thick, 
bricks plus plaster(?) cladding. I was not very happy. They were happy, 
doing the job fast, not seeing the other side of the wall. Yeah, of 
course they repaired that.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#70250

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-08-02 06:23 +0000
Message-ID<mf5p7eF49m5U2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#70244
On Sat, 2 Aug 2025 03:36:23 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:


> I don't know if the chaps that put a "false ceiling" on my house used
> one of those powder actuated tools, but I know that the hole went
> through to the other side of my inside partition wall, about 6 cm thick,
> bricks plus plaster(?) cladding. I was not very happy. They were happy,
> doing the job fast, not seeing the other side of the wall. Yeah, of
> course they repaired that.

Some of the pneumatic nail guns are pretty powerful but you need a 
compressor and you've got to drag an air hose.

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#70252

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-08-02 02:34 -0400
Message-ID<NN6dnZA9S_YVLBD1nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#70233
On 8/1/25 1:58 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-08-01 19:00, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 01/08/2025 13:07, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> On 2025-08-01 04:49, c186282 wrote:
>>>> On 7/31/25 3:49 PM, rbowman wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2025 14:04:02 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>    Got my 5G booster device. Alas gotta drill a hole in
>>>>    my old, basically solid-poured concrete, house to
>>>>    hold the outside antenna. While nothing in the
>>>>    printed docs there's a small-print sticker on the
>>>>    thing saying I'm supposed to "register" it with
>>>>    my provider. Kinda too much work ...
>>>>
>>>>    May not proceed.
>>>
>>> I had visitors from over the pond. They saw me drilling holes in my 
>>> brick and concrete walls (to hang some new curtains), they were 
>>> astonished.
>>>
>>> Piece of cake :-p
>>>
>> Clearly they weren't from Germany ir the Uk then :0)
> 
> Mind you, I saw my father make holes with a bit and a hammer to hang a 
> picture, and it was dreary work⁽¹⁾. An hour or two. He only had a hand 
> powered drill. Now, when he finally bought a small electric drill, that 
> made a whooping difference. And much later, I bought a drill with 
> hammering function, lots better/faster. That's when it became a piece of 
> cake :-)

   A modern 'hammer drill' makes quick work of stone.
   You can start with like a 1/4" hole and then a
   larger bit as needed.

   Note that not THAT long ago there were no electric
   or other drills. You had a steel shaft with a hard
   shaped tip - and hammered, twisted, hammered, twisted,
   could take all day. 'Labor' was CHEAP then.

> (1)  Of course, a large hammer would do a hole much faster, but then you 
> had to fill the resulting big hole with plaster or cement with a small 
> wood cylinder inside, where the nail would go.

   Spray foam works well. A good grade ordinary
   sheet foam works well too ... wrap it around a
   wire and then force it into the hole. Some use
   'putty' - good - or silicone goop (degrades in
   about 10 years).

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#70259

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-08-02 14:05 +0200
Message-ID<jhb1mlxfbj.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#70252
On 2025-08-02 08:34, c186282 wrote:
> On 8/1/25 1:58 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2025-08-01 19:00, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 01/08/2025 13:07, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> On 2025-08-01 04:49, c186282 wrote:
>>>>> On 7/31/25 3:49 PM, rbowman wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2025 14:04:02 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>    Got my 5G booster device. Alas gotta drill a hole in
>>>>>    my old, basically solid-poured concrete, house to
>>>>>    hold the outside antenna. While nothing in the
>>>>>    printed docs there's a small-print sticker on the
>>>>>    thing saying I'm supposed to "register" it with
>>>>>    my provider. Kinda too much work ...
>>>>>
>>>>>    May not proceed.
>>>>
>>>> I had visitors from over the pond. They saw me drilling holes in my 
>>>> brick and concrete walls (to hang some new curtains), they were 
>>>> astonished.
>>>>
>>>> Piece of cake :-p
>>>>
>>> Clearly they weren't from Germany ir the Uk then :0)
>>
>> Mind you, I saw my father make holes with a bit and a hammer to hang a 
>> picture, and it was dreary work⁽¹⁾. An hour or two. He only had a hand 
>> powered drill. Now, when he finally bought a small electric drill, 
>> that made a whooping difference. And much later, I bought a drill with 
>> hammering function, lots better/faster. That's when it became a piece 
>> of cake :-)
> 
>    A modern 'hammer drill' makes quick work of stone.
>    You can start with like a 1/4" hole and then a
>    larger bit as needed.
> 
>    Note that not THAT long ago there were no electric
>    or other drills. You had a steel shaft with a hard
>    shaped tip - and hammered, twisted, hammered, twisted,
>    could take all day. 'Labor' was CHEAP then.

Yes, that's exactly what I saw my father doing, just for hanging a 
picture on the wall, so not a wide hole. Maybe 1970.

> 
>> (1)  Of course, a large hammer would do a hole much faster, but then 
>> you had to fill the resulting big hole with plaster or cement with a 
>> small wood cylinder inside, where the nail would go.
> 
>    Spray foam works well. A good grade ordinary
>    sheet foam works well too ... wrap it around a
>    wire and then force it into the hole. Some use
>    'putty' - good - or silicone goop (degrades in
>    about 10 years).

Back then we did not know of those products. Spain was very backward. 
Consider that my father made by hand wood cylinders instead of plastic 
wall studs.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#70261

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-08-02 14:35 +0100
Message-ID<106l46j$133ed$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#70259
On 02/08/2025 13:05, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-08-02 08:34, c186282 wrote:
>> On 8/1/25 1:58 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> On 2025-08-01 19:00, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 01/08/2025 13:07, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>> On 2025-08-01 04:49, c186282 wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/31/25 3:49 PM, rbowman wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2025 14:04:02 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>    Got my 5G booster device. Alas gotta drill a hole in
>>>>>>    my old, basically solid-poured concrete, house to
>>>>>>    hold the outside antenna. While nothing in the
>>>>>>    printed docs there's a small-print sticker on the
>>>>>>    thing saying I'm supposed to "register" it with
>>>>>>    my provider. Kinda too much work ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    May not proceed.
>>>>>
>>>>> I had visitors from over the pond. They saw me drilling holes in my 
>>>>> brick and concrete walls (to hang some new curtains), they were 
>>>>> astonished.
>>>>>
>>>>> Piece of cake :-p
>>>>>
>>>> Clearly they weren't from Germany ir the Uk then :0)
>>>
>>> Mind you, I saw my father make holes with a bit and a hammer to hang 
>>> a picture, and it was dreary work⁽¹⁾. An hour or two. He only had a 
>>> hand powered drill. Now, when he finally bought a small electric 
>>> drill, that made a whooping difference. And much later, I bought a 
>>> drill with hammering function, lots better/faster. That's when it 
>>> became a piece of cake :-)
>>
>>    A modern 'hammer drill' makes quick work of stone.
>>    You can start with like a 1/4" hole and then a
>>    larger bit as needed.
>>
>>    Note that not THAT long ago there were no electric
>>    or other drills. You had a steel shaft with a hard
>>    shaped tip - and hammered, twisted, hammered, twisted,
>>    could take all day. 'Labor' was CHEAP then.
> 
> Yes, that's exactly what I saw my father doing, just for hanging a 
> picture on the wall, so not a wide hole. Maybe 1970.
> 
>>
>>> (1)  Of course, a large hammer would do a hole much faster, but then 
>>> you had to fill the resulting big hole with plaster or cement with a 
>>> small wood cylinder inside, where the nail would go.
>>
>>    Spray foam works well. A good grade ordinary
>>    sheet foam works well too ... wrap it around a
>>    wire and then force it into the hole. Some use
>>    'putty' - good - or silicone goop (degrades in
>>    about 10 years).
> 
> Back then we did not know of those products. Spain was very backward. 
> Consider that my father made by hand wood cylinders instead of plastic 
> wall studs.
> 
Arguably a better product :-)
But you can't beat car body filler!


-- 
You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a 
kind word alone.

Al Capone

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#70273

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-08-02 21:25 -0400
Message-ID<keednUTRKYkLJxP1nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#70261
On 8/2/25 9:35 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 02/08/2025 13:05, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2025-08-02 08:34, c186282 wrote:
>>> On 8/1/25 1:58 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> On 2025-08-01 19:00, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> On 01/08/2025 13:07, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>>> On 2025-08-01 04:49, c186282 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/31/25 3:49 PM, rbowman wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2025 14:04:02 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    Got my 5G booster device. Alas gotta drill a hole in
>>>>>>>    my old, basically solid-poured concrete, house to
>>>>>>>    hold the outside antenna. While nothing in the
>>>>>>>    printed docs there's a small-print sticker on the
>>>>>>>    thing saying I'm supposed to "register" it with
>>>>>>>    my provider. Kinda too much work ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    May not proceed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had visitors from over the pond. They saw me drilling holes in 
>>>>>> my brick and concrete walls (to hang some new curtains), they were 
>>>>>> astonished.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Piece of cake :-p
>>>>>>
>>>>> Clearly they weren't from Germany ir the Uk then :0)
>>>>
>>>> Mind you, I saw my father make holes with a bit and a hammer to hang 
>>>> a picture, and it was dreary work⁽¹⁾. An hour or two. He only had a 
>>>> hand powered drill. Now, when he finally bought a small electric 
>>>> drill, that made a whooping difference. And much later, I bought a 
>>>> drill with hammering function, lots better/faster. That's when it 
>>>> became a piece of cake :-)
>>>
>>>    A modern 'hammer drill' makes quick work of stone.
>>>    You can start with like a 1/4" hole and then a
>>>    larger bit as needed.
>>>
>>>    Note that not THAT long ago there were no electric
>>>    or other drills. You had a steel shaft with a hard
>>>    shaped tip - and hammered, twisted, hammered, twisted,
>>>    could take all day. 'Labor' was CHEAP then.
>>
>> Yes, that's exactly what I saw my father doing, just for hanging a 
>> picture on the wall, so not a wide hole. Maybe 1970.
>>
>>>
>>>> (1)  Of course, a large hammer would do a hole much faster, but then 
>>>> you had to fill the resulting big hole with plaster or cement with a 
>>>> small wood cylinder inside, where the nail would go.
>>>
>>>    Spray foam works well. A good grade ordinary
>>>    sheet foam works well too ... wrap it around a
>>>    wire and then force it into the hole. Some use
>>>    'putty' - good - or silicone goop (degrades in
>>>    about 10 years).
>>
>> Back then we did not know of those products. Spain was very backward. 
>> Consider that my father made by hand wood cylinders instead of plastic 
>> wall studs.
>>
> Arguably a better product :-)
> But you can't beat car body filler!

   That stuff IS pretty damned good !  :-)

   USA at least, there's also "Durham's Water Putty"
   which quickly hardens into a semi-plasticized
   cement that's VERY strong. Was looking at some
   stuff in my house done with some of it, like 50
   years ago, and it was STILL stable and rock hard.
   Kinda impressive. It's still made.

   There are several epoxy putties to be had, but I
   don't think they'd last as long.

   If you expect to ever remove the wire from the
   wall perhaps look into that grey 'electricians
   sealing putty'. Holds up well long term but does
   not turn into proverbial stone.

   If load-bearing studs, consider poking a little
   of the water putty in the hole before tapping
   in the stud.

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#70283

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-08-03 05:48 +0000
Message-ID<mf8bibFbhg4U4@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#70273
On Sat, 2 Aug 2025 21:25:37 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>    If you expect to ever remove the wire from the wall perhaps look into
>    that grey 'electricians sealing putty'. Holds up well long term but
>    does not turn into proverbial stone.

Ah, monkey shit. The polite term is 'duct seal' but I never moved in 
polite circles.

https://www.idealind.com/us/en/category/product.html/Duct_Seal.html

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#70284

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-08-03 01:53 -0400
Message-ID<KridnUgAMvXWZBP1nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#70283
On 8/3/25 1:48 AM, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Aug 2025 21:25:37 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
>>     If you expect to ever remove the wire from the wall perhaps look into
>>     that grey 'electricians sealing putty'. Holds up well long term but
>>     does not turn into proverbial stone.
> 
> Ah, monkey shit. The polite term is 'duct seal' but I never moved in
> polite circles.
> 
> https://www.idealind.com/us/en/category/product.html/Duct_Seal.html


   Hey, what works, works  :-)

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#70277

FromRobert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net>
Date2025-08-03 03:36 +0000
Message-ID<slrn108tmam.632.spamtrap42@one.localnet>
In reply to#70261
On 2025-08-02, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 02/08/2025 13:05, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2025-08-02 08:34, c186282 wrote:
>>> On 8/1/25 1:58 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> On 2025-08-01 19:00, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> On 01/08/2025 13:07, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>>> On 2025-08-01 04:49, c186282 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/31/25 3:49 PM, rbowman wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2025 14:04:02 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    Got my 5G booster device. Alas gotta drill a hole in
>>>>>>>    my old, basically solid-poured concrete, house to
>>>>>>>    hold the outside antenna. While nothing in the
>>>>>>>    printed docs there's a small-print sticker on the
>>>>>>>    thing saying I'm supposed to "register" it with
>>>>>>>    my provider. Kinda too much work ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    May not proceed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had visitors from over the pond. They saw me drilling holes in my 
>>>>>> brick and concrete walls (to hang some new curtains), they were 
>>>>>> astonished.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Piece of cake :-p
>>>>>>
>>>>> Clearly they weren't from Germany ir the Uk then :0)
>>>>
>>>> Mind you, I saw my father make holes with a bit and a hammer to hang 
>>>> a picture, and it was dreary work⁽¹⁾. An hour or two. He only had a 
>>>> hand powered drill. Now, when he finally bought a small electric 
>>>> drill, that made a whooping difference. And much later, I bought a 
>>>> drill with hammering function, lots better/faster. That's when it 
>>>> became a piece of cake :-)
>>>
>>>    A modern 'hammer drill' makes quick work of stone.
>>>    You can start with like a 1/4" hole and then a
>>>    larger bit as needed.
>>>
>>>    Note that not THAT long ago there were no electric
>>>    or other drills. You had a steel shaft with a hard
>>>    shaped tip - and hammered, twisted, hammered, twisted,
>>>    could take all day. 'Labor' was CHEAP then.
>> 
>> Yes, that's exactly what I saw my father doing, just for hanging a 
>> picture on the wall, so not a wide hole. Maybe 1970.
>> 
>>>
>>>> (1)  Of course, a large hammer would do a hole much faster, but then 
>>>> you had to fill the resulting big hole with plaster or cement with a 
>>>> small wood cylinder inside, where the nail would go.
>>>
>>>    Spray foam works well. A good grade ordinary
>>>    sheet foam works well too ... wrap it around a
>>>    wire and then force it into the hole. Some use
>>>    'putty' - good - or silicone goop (degrades in
>>>    about 10 years).
>> 
>> Back then we did not know of those products. Spain was very backward. 
>> Consider that my father made by hand wood cylinders instead of plastic 
>> wall studs.
>> 
> Arguably a better product :-)
> But you can't beat car body filler!

That's what I decided nearly two decades ago when I had to
replace to exterior doors on my house built ~1971.  Under each
doorway was a concrete floor that was slightly tilted in both
directions.  The new-fangled door assemblies have an aluminum
threshold that requires a flat and level substrate.

The solution involved several steps:

1. Measure and mark exactly where the aluminum threshold will be
after the door assembly is installed.

2. Inside that marked area, drill a diamond grid of 3/16"
diameter, ~1" deep holes into the concrete.

3. Insert a plastic screw anchor into each hole.

4. Insert a square-drive, pan head sheet metal screw into each
screw anchor but with the heads not all the way down.

5. Using a level, adjust all the screws until the tops of the
screw heads are all as close as possible to perfectly level with
each other.

6. Fill the entire marked space with Bondo.

7. Let the Bondo cure.

8. Use a belt sander to remove the top of the Bondo until the
screw heads are just barely visible.

9. Use a Dremel tool with cut-off wheels to trim the edges of the
area marked in step 1.

10. Install the door, using Liquid Nails subfloor adhesive to
glue the aluminum threshold to the Bondo, Vulkem caulk on the
outdoor edge, and interior caulk on the indoor edge.

11. Enjoy being confident that the Bondo under the door
thresholds will still be solidly in place for at least as long as
the rest of the house stands.

-- 
Robert Riches
spamtrap42@jacob21819.net
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

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#70280

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-08-03 01:25 -0400
Message-ID<beWcnctncdd3bxP1nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#70277
On 8/2/25 11:36 PM, Robert Riches wrote:
> On 2025-08-02, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 02/08/2025 13:05, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> On 2025-08-02 08:34, c186282 wrote:
>>>> On 8/1/25 1:58 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>> On 2025-08-01 19:00, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>> On 01/08/2025 13:07, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2025-08-01 04:49, c186282 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/31/25 3:49 PM, rbowman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2025 14:04:02 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     Got my 5G booster device. Alas gotta drill a hole in
>>>>>>>>     my old, basically solid-poured concrete, house to
>>>>>>>>     hold the outside antenna. While nothing in the
>>>>>>>>     printed docs there's a small-print sticker on the
>>>>>>>>     thing saying I'm supposed to "register" it with
>>>>>>>>     my provider. Kinda too much work ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     May not proceed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I had visitors from over the pond. They saw me drilling holes in my
>>>>>>> brick and concrete walls (to hang some new curtains), they were
>>>>>>> astonished.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Piece of cake :-p
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Clearly they weren't from Germany ir the Uk then :0)
>>>>>
>>>>> Mind you, I saw my father make holes with a bit and a hammer to hang
>>>>> a picture, and it was dreary work⁽¹⁾. An hour or two. He only had a
>>>>> hand powered drill. Now, when he finally bought a small electric
>>>>> drill, that made a whooping difference. And much later, I bought a
>>>>> drill with hammering function, lots better/faster. That's when it
>>>>> became a piece of cake :-)
>>>>
>>>>     A modern 'hammer drill' makes quick work of stone.
>>>>     You can start with like a 1/4" hole and then a
>>>>     larger bit as needed.
>>>>
>>>>     Note that not THAT long ago there were no electric
>>>>     or other drills. You had a steel shaft with a hard
>>>>     shaped tip - and hammered, twisted, hammered, twisted,
>>>>     could take all day. 'Labor' was CHEAP then.
>>>
>>> Yes, that's exactly what I saw my father doing, just for hanging a
>>> picture on the wall, so not a wide hole. Maybe 1970.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> (1)  Of course, a large hammer would do a hole much faster, but then
>>>>> you had to fill the resulting big hole with plaster or cement with a
>>>>> small wood cylinder inside, where the nail would go.
>>>>
>>>>     Spray foam works well. A good grade ordinary
>>>>     sheet foam works well too ... wrap it around a
>>>>     wire and then force it into the hole. Some use
>>>>     'putty' - good - or silicone goop (degrades in
>>>>     about 10 years).
>>>
>>> Back then we did not know of those products. Spain was very backward.
>>> Consider that my father made by hand wood cylinders instead of plastic
>>> wall studs.
>>>
>> Arguably a better product :-)
>> But you can't beat car body filler!
> 
> That's what I decided nearly two decades ago when I had to
> replace to exterior doors on my house built ~1971.  Under each
> doorway was a concrete floor that was slightly tilted in both
> directions.  The new-fangled door assemblies have an aluminum
> threshold that requires a flat and level substrate.
> 
> The solution involved several steps:
> 
> 1. Measure and mark exactly where the aluminum threshold will be
> after the door assembly is installed.
> 
> 2. Inside that marked area, drill a diamond grid of 3/16"
> diameter, ~1" deep holes into the concrete.
> 
> 3. Insert a plastic screw anchor into each hole.
> 
> 4. Insert a square-drive, pan head sheet metal screw into each
> screw anchor but with the heads not all the way down.
> 
> 5. Using a level, adjust all the screws until the tops of the
> screw heads are all as close as possible to perfectly level with
> each other.
> 
> 6. Fill the entire marked space with Bondo.
> 
> 7. Let the Bondo cure.
> 
> 8. Use a belt sander to remove the top of the Bondo until the
> screw heads are just barely visible.
> 
> 9. Use a Dremel tool with cut-off wheels to trim the edges of the
> area marked in step 1.
> 
> 10. Install the door, using Liquid Nails subfloor adhesive to
> glue the aluminum threshold to the Bondo, Vulkem caulk on the
> outdoor edge, and interior caulk on the indoor edge.
> 
> 11. Enjoy being confident that the Bondo under the door
> thresholds will still be solidly in place for at least as long as
> the rest of the house stands.

   I think a number of steps can be removed from
   that solution.

   Apply the Bondo under the new threshold.

   While still soft, push in the threshold and
   close the door. The pressure will even out
   and mold the Bondo.

   Finally, use whatever method to clean up the
   residual Bondo. If it's still somewhat soft
   you can use a utility knife. THEN drill and
   set the support screws (the Bondo may be such
   a good adhesive that you won't have to).

   In short, use a "plastic" substance AS a plastic.

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#70282

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-08-03 05:43 +0000
Message-ID<mf8b7iFbhg4U3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#70277
On 3 Aug 2025 03:36:54 GMT, Robert Riches wrote:

> 11. Enjoy being confident that the Bondo under the door thresholds will
> still be solidly in place for at least as long as the rest of the house
> stands.

My dentist had an old beater truck in the era when they were moving from 
amalgam to composites. He remarked that dentistry had improved his Bondo 
skills.

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#70266

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-08-02 20:01 +0000
Message-ID<mf7951Fbhg4U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#70259
On Sat, 2 Aug 2025 14:05:39 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> Yes, that's exactly what I saw my father doing, just for hanging a
> picture on the wall, so not a wide hole. Maybe 1970.

Traditional:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-hRTsNRuGU

Easier, sort of:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmLZCcLWa-Y


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9Zt0O2lyhk

'John Henry' is the iconic folk hero song that everybody knew, at least 
back in the day. Whether or not there ever was a John Henry doesn't 
matter. Men have always competed against each other and took pride in 
their skills. As mechanization came in, a steam drill in this case, they 
would race against the machine. I even saw that in the '70s as more 
operations were being automated. 

Some of the jobs seemed suitable for strong backs and weak minds but 
people took pride in doing them well and efficiently. I wonder how much of 
that exists anymore.

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#70267

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-08-02 22:56 +0200
Message-ID<6ka2mlxv7u.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#70266
On 2025-08-02 22:01, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Aug 2025 14:05:39 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
>> Yes, that's exactly what I saw my father doing, just for hanging a
>> picture on the wall, so not a wide hole. Maybe 1970.
> 
> Traditional:
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-hRTsNRuGU
> 
> Easier, sort of:
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmLZCcLWa-Y


My father was far from that league, he was an office worker :-D

> 
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9Zt0O2lyhk

heh heh, uplodaded in HD, but it is a static photo.

> 
> 'John Henry' is the iconic folk hero song that everybody knew, at least
> back in the day. Whether or not there ever was a John Henry doesn't
> matter. Men have always competed against each other and took pride in
> their skills. As mechanization came in, a steam drill in this case, they
> would race against the machine. I even saw that in the '70s as more
> operations were being automated.
> 
> Some of the jobs seemed suitable for strong backs and weak minds but
> people took pride in doing them well and efficiently. I wonder how much of
> that exists anymore.

Have a look at some youtube videos, doing maybe metal works at some 
Asian country; lot of manual work. dangerous, I would say. I saw one 
yesterday, but did not save the link. Oh wait, it is in the history.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26GzsYQPVyM

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#70281

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-08-03 05:34 +0000
Message-ID<mf8amhFbhg4U2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#70267
On Sat, 2 Aug 2025 22:56:06 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> Have a look at some youtube videos, doing maybe metal works at some
> Asian country; lot of manual work. dangerous, I would say. I saw one
> yesterday, but did not save the link. Oh wait, it is in the history.
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26GzsYQPVyM

Impressive even taking the sped up video into account but OSHA would not 
approve.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Occupational_Safety_and_Health_Administration

I was getting started in the machine tool industry about the time OSHA 
really got rolling. We added safety guards to the new presses and also 
received contracts to retrofit older machinery. Sometime the guards 
created more potential pinch points than before but the OSHA inspectors 
were happy.

I can't find a video but one safety feature that was introduced for punch 
presses was what was called a 'possum harness'. It was a system of gloves 
or wrist straps and cables tied in with the machine so your hands would be 
forcibly removed from the die area. The operators hated them. After 
getting your hands snatched back a couple of times you got with the flow. 
The problem was they were cumbersome and most importantly they slowed down 
the operations like in some of the scenes where they were making bells. 
Piece work incentives were popular and when you're getting paid by the 
widget you don't want anything slowing you down.

I guess you would call it a meme of the day was a punch press operator 
ordering four beers -- holding up his two remaining fingers. It wasn't a 
press but my uncle was short one and a half fingers. Many people didn't 
have a full set after they retired from a lifetime in the mills. 

In that era being overly concerned with safety was equated with being 
wimp.

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#70293

FromChris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
Date2025-08-03 08:53 -0400
Message-ID<106nm42$1k012$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#70281
rbowman wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

> On Sat, 2 Aug 2025 22:56:06 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
>> Have a look at some youtube videos, doing maybe metal works at some
>> Asian country; lot of manual work. dangerous, I would say. I saw one
>> yesterday, but did not save the link. Oh wait, it is in the history.
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26GzsYQPVyM
>
> Impressive even taking the sped up video into account but OSHA would not 
> approve.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
> Occupational_Safety_and_Health_Administration
>
> I was getting started in the machine tool industry about the time OSHA 
> really got rolling. We added safety guards to the new presses and also 
> received contracts to retrofit older machinery. Sometime the guards 
> created more potential pinch points than before but the OSHA inspectors 
> were happy.
>
> I can't find a video but one safety feature that was introduced for punch 
> presses was what was called a 'possum harness'. It was a system of gloves 
> or wrist straps and cables tied in with the machine so your hands would be 
> forcibly removed from the die area. The operators hated them. After 
> getting your hands snatched back a couple of times you got with the flow. 
> The problem was they were cumbersome and most importantly they slowed down 
> the operations like in some of the scenes where they were making bells. 
> Piece work incentives were popular and when you're getting paid by the 
> widget you don't want anything slowing you down.
>
> I guess you would call it a meme of the day was a punch press operator 
> ordering four beers -- holding up his two remaining fingers. It wasn't a 
> press but my uncle was short one and a half fingers. Many people didn't 
> have a full set after they retired from a lifetime in the mills. 
>
> In that era being overly concerned with safety was equated with being 
> wimp. 

    <https://healthyworker.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/osha_cowboy.jpg>

-- 
Everyone can be taught to sculpt: Michelangelo would have had to be
taught how ___not to.  So it is with the great programmers.

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