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  Wish to try Linux Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> - 2013-05-09 20:09 +0100
    Re: Wish to try Linux Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@verizon.net> - 2013-05-09 15:25 -0400
      Re: Wish to try Linux Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2013-05-09 15:24 -0500
        Re: Wish to try Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-09 21:51 +0100
        Re: Wish to try Linux Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@verizon.net> - 2013-05-09 18:41 -0400
    Re: Wish to try Linux Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2013-05-09 15:28 -0400
      Re: Wish to try Linux Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> - 2013-05-10 16:48 +0100
    Re: Wish to try Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-09 20:48 +0100
      Re: Wish to try Linux Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> - 2013-05-09 16:45 -0400
        Re: Wish to try Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-09 23:50 +0100
          Re: Wish to try Linux Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> - 2013-05-10 07:41 -0400
            Re: Wish to try Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-10 13:01 +0100
              Re: Wish to try Linux Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> - 2013-05-10 08:49 -0400
                Re: Wish to try Linux Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> - 2013-05-10 15:20 +0200
                  Re: Wish to try Linux Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> - 2013-05-10 16:11 -0400
            Re: Wish to try Linux Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@verizon.net> - 2013-05-10 08:04 -0400
              Re: Wish to try Linux Bill Marcum <bill@nowhere.invalid> - 2013-05-16 07:58 -0400
            Re: Wish to try Linux Bill Marcum <bill@nowhere.invalid> - 2013-05-16 07:56 -0400
              Re: Wish to try Linux Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> - 2013-05-16 09:32 -0400
                Re: Wish to try Linux Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2013-05-16 16:03 +0200
                  Re: Wish to try Linux John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2013-05-16 09:27 -0500
                    Re: Wish to try Linux Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> - 2013-05-16 10:53 -0400
                  Re: Wish to try Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-16 15:30 +0100
                  Re: Wish to try Linux Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> - 2013-05-16 10:52 -0400
                Re: Wish to try Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-16 15:30 +0100
                Re: Wish to try Linux Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@verizon.net> - 2013-05-16 16:14 -0400
                  Re: Wish to try Linux Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> - 2013-05-16 17:23 -0400
      Re: Wish to try Linux notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2013-05-09 23:49 +0000
        Re: Wish to try Linux Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2013-05-09 19:35 -0500
          Re: Wish to try Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-10 05:30 +0100
            Re: Wish to try Linux notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2013-05-10 14:27 +0000
        Re: Wish to try Linux Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2013-05-09 22:13 -0400
      Re: Wish to try Linux Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> - 2013-05-10 16:50 +0100
        Re: Wish to try Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-10 17:19 +0100
          Re: Wish to try Linux Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> - 2013-05-15 16:27 +0100
            Re: Wish to try Linux J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-05-15 16:34 +0000
              Re: Wish to try Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-15 17:46 +0100
                Re: Wish to try Linux J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-05-15 18:15 +0000
                  Re: Wish to try Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-15 19:32 +0100
                  Re: Wish to try Linux Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2013-05-15 14:52 -0400
                    Re: Wish to try Linux J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-05-15 21:11 +0000
                  Re: Wish to try Linux Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2013-05-15 13:54 -0500
                  Re: Wish to try Linux Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@verizon.net> - 2013-05-16 01:01 -0400
                    Re: Wish to try Linux Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2013-05-16 10:52 +0200
                      Re: Wish to try Linux Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@verizon.net> - 2013-05-16 08:25 -0400
                        Re: Wish to try Linux J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-05-16 18:56 +0000
                          Re: Wish to try Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-16 20:33 +0100
                            Re: Wish to try Linux J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-05-16 19:35 +0000
                              Re: Wish to try Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-16 20:43 +0100
                            Re: Wish to try Linux bruce.sinclair@NOSPAMORELSEagresearch.NOTco.NOTnz (Bruce Sinclair) - 2013-05-19 23:33 +0000
                          Re: Wish to try Linux Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@verizon.net> - 2013-05-16 16:16 -0400
            Re: Wish to try Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-15 17:44 +0100
              Re: Wish to try Linux Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2013-05-15 13:44 -0500
                Re: Wish to try Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-15 20:37 +0100
      Re: Wish to try Linux "Chris F.A. Johnson" <cfajohnson@gmail.com> - 2013-05-14 13:51 -0400
        Re: Wish to try Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-14 21:16 +0100
          Re: Wish to try Linux "Chris F.A. Johnson" <cfajohnson@gmail.com> - 2013-05-14 17:49 -0400
            Re: Wish to try Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-15 00:02 +0100
    Re: Wish to try Linux Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2013-05-09 15:03 -0500
      Re: Wish to try Linux Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> - 2013-05-23 14:09 +0100
        Re: Wish to try Linux Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2013-05-23 14:38 +0100
          Re: Wish to try Linux Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> - 2013-05-23 16:33 +0100
            Re: Wish to try Linux John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2013-05-23 10:55 -0500
              Re: Wish to try Linux Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> - 2013-05-23 19:00 +0100
                Re: Wish to try Linux Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2013-06-01 11:43 +0200
                  Re: Wish to try Linux notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2013-06-01 11:37 +0000
                    Re: Wish to try Linux Balwinder S Dheeman <bsd.SANSPAM@anu.homelinux.net> - 2013-06-01 21:59 +0530
                    Re: Wish to try Linux Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2013-06-01 19:14 +0200
                      Re: Wish to try Linux notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2013-06-01 17:43 +0000
                    Re: Wish to try Linux Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2013-06-01 19:33 -0400
                      Re: Wish to try Linux Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2013-06-02 02:37 +0200
                        Re: Wish to try Linux Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@verizon.net> - 2013-06-01 23:05 -0400
                          Re: Wish to try Linux Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2013-06-02 09:33 +0100
                            Re: Wish to try Linux Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@verizon.net> - 2013-06-02 07:02 -0400
                              Re: Wish to try Linux David Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> - 2013-06-02 13:26 +0200
                                Re: Wish to try Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-06-02 15:47 +0100
                                  Re: Wish to try Linux Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@verizon.net> - 2013-06-02 14:52 -0400
                        Re: Wish to try Linux David Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> - 2013-06-02 13:32 +0200
            Re: Wish to try Linux Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2013-05-23 17:09 +0000
              Re: Wish to try Linux Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> - 2013-05-23 19:06 +0100
              Re: Wish to try Linux Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2013-05-24 04:48 +0000
    Re: Wish to try Linux Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2013-05-09 20:03 +0000
    Re: Wish to try Linux unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2013-05-09 20:19 +0000
      Re: Wish to try Linux bad sector <forgetski@postit_INVALID_.gov> - 2013-05-09 20:27 -0400
        Re: Wish to try Linux unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2013-05-10 15:30 +0000
    Re: Wish to try Linux Stef <not@this.address.com> - 2013-05-10 03:05 +0000
      Re: Wish to try Linux notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2013-05-10 14:35 +0000
        Re: Wish to try Linux Stef <not@this.address.com> - 2013-05-10 16:44 +0000
          Re: Wish to try Linux notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2013-05-10 16:57 +0000
            Re: Wish to try Linux Stef <not@this.address.com> - 2013-05-11 03:59 +0000
              Re: Wish to try Linux Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2013-05-11 00:27 -0400
                Re: Wish to try Linux notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2013-05-11 12:49 +0000
                  Re: Wish to try Linux J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-05-11 12:56 +0000
                    Re: Wish to try Linux Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2013-05-11 15:20 +0200
                      Re: Wish to try Linux notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2013-05-11 14:14 +0000
                        Re: Wish to try Linux Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@verizon.net> - 2013-05-11 10:30 -0400
                          Re: Wish to try Linux  OOps Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@verizon.net> - 2013-05-11 10:38 -0400
                            Re: Wish to try Linux  OOps Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2013-05-12 04:37 +0000
                    Re: Wish to try Linux Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2013-05-11 13:47 -0400
      Re: Wish to try Linux Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> - 2013-05-10 16:58 +0100
    Re: Wish to try Linux Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> - 2013-05-10 06:53 +0200
      Re: Wish to try Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-10 07:26 +0100
        Re: Wish to try Linux Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> - 2013-05-10 09:18 +0200
          Re: Wish to try Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-10 10:20 +0100
            Re: Wish to try Linux Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> - 2013-05-10 11:40 +0200
        Re: Wish to try Linux Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> - 2013-05-10 07:44 -0400
          Re: Wish to try Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-10 13:00 +0100
            Re: Wish to try Linux Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> - 2013-05-10 08:47 -0400
              Re: Wish to try Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-10 15:50 +0100
      Re: Wish to try Linux Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> - 2013-06-21 18:44 +0100
        Re: Wish to try Linux Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2013-06-21 19:53 +0200
          Re: Wish to try Linux Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> - 2013-06-21 18:55 +0100
            Re: Wish to try Linux Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2013-06-21 20:05 +0200
        Re: Wish to try Linux Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2013-06-21 19:17 +0100
          Re: Wish to try Linux Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> - 2013-06-21 19:56 +0100
            Re: Wish to try Linux Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> - 2013-06-21 19:59 +0100
        Re: Wish to try Linux Antti Talsta <atalsta@gmail.com> - 2013-06-21 21:04 +0300
        Re: Wish to try Linux Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2013-06-21 17:51 -0400
        Re: Wish to try Linux Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2013-06-22 01:48 +0000
        Re: Wish to try Linux Stan Bischof <stan@worldbadminton.com> - 2013-06-24 16:48 +0000
        Re: Wish to try Linux Stan Bischof <stan@worldbadminton.com> - 2013-06-24 16:56 +0000
    Re: Wish to try Linux DenverD <DenverD@invalid.dk> - 2013-05-10 09:17 +0200
    Re: Wish to try Linux lichtblitz <nospam@lichtblitz.invalid> - 2013-05-10 13:49 +0000
      Re: Wish to try Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-10 15:48 +0100
        Re: Wish to try Linux Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2013-05-10 11:21 -0500
          Re: Wish to try Linux lichtblitz <nospam@lichtblitz.invalid> - 2013-05-10 18:20 +0000
            Re: Wish to try Linux Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2013-05-10 19:54 +0100
            Re: Wish to try Linux Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@verizon.net> - 2013-05-10 14:55 -0400
            Re: Wish to try Linux Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> - 2013-05-11 05:40 +0200
              Re: Wish to try Linux Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@verizon.net> - 2013-05-11 07:55 -0400
      Re: Wish to try Linux J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-05-10 16:07 +0000
        Re: Wish to try Linux lichtblitz <nospam@lichtblitz.invalid> - 2013-05-10 18:29 +0000
          Re: Wish to try Linux J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-05-10 19:48 +0000
    Re: Wish to try Linux David Hough <noone$$@llondel.org> - 2013-05-10 18:13 +0100
    Re: Wish to try Linux Dirk Weber <dma-weber@globe.lu> - 2013-05-10 19:09 +0200
    Re: Wish to try Linux Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> - 2013-05-14 19:01 +0100
      Re: Wish to try Linux Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> - 2013-06-23 22:55 +0100
        Re: Wish to try Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-06-24 00:34 +0100
          Re: Wish to try Linux John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2013-06-23 19:23 -0500
            Re: Wish to try Linux David Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> - 2013-06-25 18:50 +0200
        Re: Wish to try Linux bruce.sinclair@NOSPAMORELSEagresearch.NOTco.NOTnz (Bruce Sinclair) - 2013-06-23 22:53 +0000
          Re: Wish to try Linux Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> - 2013-06-25 12:24 +0100
            Re: Wish to try Linux Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2013-06-25 12:28 -0400
            Re: Wish to try Linux bruce.sinclair@NOSPAMORELSEagresearch.NOTco.NOTnz (Bruce Sinclair) - 2013-06-25 23:11 +0000
        Re: Wish to try Linux John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2013-06-23 19:30 -0500
          Re: Wish to try Linux Ross Maloney <rmatycorp@iinet.net.au> - 2013-06-24 11:07 +0800
          Re: Wish to try Linux Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> - 2013-06-25 12:52 +0100

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#8193

On 2013-05-23, Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> wrote:
> On 2013-05-23, Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Thank you for the explanation.  I didn't know that AMD and Intel 
>> collaborated.
>
> It's more like Intel's own 64-bit implementation (Itanium) took a nosedive
> in the marketplace largely due to its lack of native support for legacy
> 32-bit code.
>
> The following paper, "A History of Modern 64-bit Computing" may be of interest:
>
>   http://www.cs.washington.edu/education/courses/csep590/06au/projects/history-64-bit.pdf

At least the paper did mention the existence of the ISA of my
first 64-bit computer (UP-2000 motherboard, 21264 Alpha
processor).

-- 
Robert Riches
spamtrap42@jacob21819.net
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

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#8055

On Thu, 09 May 2013 20:09:17 +0100, Peter Percival wrote:
> I am the proud owner of an Acer Aspire A5-4 notebook running Windows 7, 
> and I have a broadband internet connection.  May I download 
> some-Linux-or-other, burn it on to a CD to use on my note book, _and_ on 
> an elderly Windows XP computer?

Absolutely. Be sure to burn it as an image and not data.
You can pick from http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=popularity

You can download the live cd which will boot and run from the media.
Ignore the slow response because the cd is slow and has to unpack
applications. Once installed on hard disk, it will be faster than the
original installed OS.

There are two basic desktop managers. Gnome and KDE. KDE will be more
windows like in operation. I run Mageia using their DVD which
allows me to install several Desktop Managers. I use KDE but run
several Gnome applications since both libraries and applications are
installed.


Windows to Linux cross reference in no particular order:
http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html
http://www.grokdoc.net/index.php/Application_Crossover_Chart
http://www.linuxlinks.com/article/20070701111340544/Equivalents.html

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#8056

On 2013-05-09, Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I am the proud owner of an Acer Aspire A5-4 notebook running Windows 7, 
> and I have a broadband internet connection.  May I download 
> some-Linux-or-other, burn it on to a CD to use on my note book, _and_ on 
> an elderly Windows XP computer?  Even if I can't use the same CD on both 
> machines, I would like to try it on the notebook.  I know nothing about 
> Linux or computers in general, so recommendations of which Linux to 
> download will be gratefully received.

To try it, download a "live" version and burn it to Cd. Now, one of the
key problem sis that it will be very slow to boot up (Cds are slow). and
preserving changes is hard. 
You can certainly use it on both. 
Mageia One version 2 is what I used. but there are loads of options out
there. 

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#8063

On 05/09/2013 04:19 PM, unruh wrote:
> On 2013-05-09, Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> I am the proud owner of an Acer Aspire A5-4 notebook running Windows 7,
>> and I have a broadband internet connection.  May I download
>> some-Linux-or-other, burn it on to a CD to use on my note book, _and_ on
>> an elderly Windows XP computer?  Even if I can't use the same CD on both
>> machines, I would like to try it on the notebook.  I know nothing about
>> Linux or computers in general, so recommendations of which Linux to
>> download will be gratefully received.
>
> To try it, download a "live" version and burn it to Cd. Now, one of the
> key problem sis that it will be very slow to boot up (Cds are slow). and
> preserving changes is hard.
> You can certainly use it on both.
> Mageia One version 2 is what I used. but there are loads of options out
> there.

as most everyone advises a live-cd is a good way to eyeball what linux 
is about, just remember that it will be FAR from a comprehensive revelation

here's one place to evaluate initial popularity (with links)

  http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=07273

don't let the number of distros spook you :-)

if your computer(s) can boot from a usb external disk you may be able to 
do a comlpete installation onto a usb hard drive (something to 
investigate maybe later)

just in passing, you can install many different linux systems (distros & 
versions) one any computer together with several version of windows, 
that would be for later too...

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#8087

On 2013-05-10, bad sector <forgetski@postit_INVALID_.gov> wrote:
> On 05/09/2013 04:19 PM, unruh wrote:
>> On 2013-05-09, Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> I am the proud owner of an Acer Aspire A5-4 notebook running Windows 7,
>>> and I have a broadband internet connection.  May I download
>>> some-Linux-or-other, burn it on to a CD to use on my note book, _and_ on
>>> an elderly Windows XP computer?  Even if I can't use the same CD on both
>>> machines, I would like to try it on the notebook.  I know nothing about
>>> Linux or computers in general, so recommendations of which Linux to
>>> download will be gratefully received.
>>
>> To try it, download a "live" version and burn it to Cd. Now, one of the
>> key problem sis that it will be very slow to boot up (Cds are slow). and
>> preserving changes is hard.
>> You can certainly use it on both.
>> Mageia One version 2 is what I used. but there are loads of options out
>> there.
>
> as most everyone advises a live-cd is a good way to eyeball what linux 
> is about, just remember that it will be FAR from a comprehensive revelation

Of course not. But then living with a distro for a year is a far more
comprehensive revelation, but that makes the decision making pretty
protracted. 
>
> here's one place to evaluate initial popularity (with links)
>
>   http://doistrowatch.com/?newsid=07273

As always popularity does not necessarily mean that it fits you. You
should tell us what it is you want from your distro-- what do you use
computers for ( or what do you envision using them for). You are a naive
newbie, but what is your attitude to solving puzzles, to tracking down
issues. 


>
> don't let the number of distros spook you :-)
>
> if your computer(s) can boot from a usb external disk you may be able to 
> do a comlpete installation onto a usb hard drive (something to 
> investigate maybe later)
>
> just in passing, you can install many different linux systems (distros & 
> versions) one any computer together with several version of windows, 
> that would be for later too...

>
>
>
>

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#8066

Peter Percival wrote:

> I am the proud owner of an Acer Aspire A5-4 notebook running Windows 7, 
> and I have a broadband internet connection.  May I download 
> some-Linux-or-other, burn it on to a CD to use on my note book, _and_ on 
> an elderly Windows XP computer?  Even if I can't use the same CD on both 
> machines, I would like to try it on the notebook.  I know nothing about 
> Linux or computers in general, so recommendations of which Linux to 
> download will be gratefully received.

I advise before you download anything, or install anything, find a good
"general" book on Linux.  And read and STUDY the hell out of it. 
Remember: Linux isn't Windows. So, don't assume it works the same way.

The book I started with was RUNNING LINUX (O'Reilly, pub.), but even the
latest edition, I think the 5th, is 8 years out of date.

Stef

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#8084

On 2013-05-10, Stef <not@this.address.com> wrote:

> The book I started with was RUNNING LINUX (O'Reilly, pub.), but even the
> latest edition, I think the 5th, is 8 years out of date.

Me too, but not a good book, IMO.  Goes along fine for a couple
chapters, then suddenly uses some linux terms a newb is totally
ignorant of, like the reader knows what the author is talking about.
Fine if one has another box online to google the info.  Not so fine if
the reader doesn't.  I tossed mine yrs ago.

nb

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#8094

notbob wrote:

> On 2013-05-10, Stef <not@this.address.com> wrote:
>
>> The book I started with was RUNNING LINUX (O'Reilly, pub.), but even the
>> latest edition, I think the 5th, is 8 years out of date.
>
> Me too, but not a good book, IMO.  Goes along fine for a couple
> chapters, then suddenly uses some linux terms a newb is totally
> ignorant of, like the reader knows what the author is talking about.
> Fine if one has another box online to google the info.  Not so fine if
> the reader doesn't.  I tossed mine yrs ago.

At the time I got my copy, the 3rd Edition, in June 2000, it was the
best around.  I'm sure by now there are "better" books, but I haven't
checked in years.

I never came across any terms that weren't defined or explained
somewhere in the book.  But then I was coming from the Amiga
not Windows.  Different knowledge base.  And being an Amiga user for
years, I was accustomed to having to solve problems on my own.

I still use my copy as a reference.  The command line stuff never seems
to change.

Stef

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#8095

On 2013-05-10, Stef <not@this.address.com> wrote:

> I still use my copy as a reference.  The command line stuff never seems
> to change.

I did learn a couple things from that book, like how to unpack a tar
archive and create a symlink.  But, I think a better one for newbs is
The Linux Command Line by William Shotts.  It was a website,
initially.  http://linuxcommand.org/

Then perhaps this site:  

http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-how-to-compile-program.html 

Those were enough to get me off fickle RH to Slackware, where I happily
reside to this very day.  ;)

nb

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#8106

notbob wrote:

> On 2013-05-10, Stef <not@this.address.com> wrote:
>
>> I still use my copy as a reference.  The command line stuff never seems
>> to change.
>
> I did learn a couple things from that book, like how to unpack a tar
> archive and create a symlink.  But, I think a better one for newbs is
> The Linux Command Line by William Shotts.  It was a website,
> initially.  http://linuxcommand.org/

I wouldn't want to even hint to a Windows-to-Linux newbie that there's a
command line. Let them come across it naturally in the course of
learning Linux. Less trauma that way. ;-)

> Then perhaps this site:  
>
> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-how-to-compile-program.html 
>
> Those were enough to get me off fickle RH to Slackware, where I happily
> reside to this very day.  ;)

I spent a lot of time at www.tldp.org, The Linux Documentation Project.

Stef

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#8107

On Sat, 11 May 2013, Stef wrote:

> notbob wrote:
>
>> On 2013-05-10, Stef <not@this.address.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I still use my copy as a reference.  The command line stuff never seems
>>> to change.
>>
>> I did learn a couple things from that book, like how to unpack a tar
>> archive and create a symlink.  But, I think a better one for newbs is
>> The Linux Command Line by William Shotts.  It was a website,
>> initially.  http://linuxcommand.org/
>
> I wouldn't want to even hint to a Windows-to-Linux newbie that there's a
> command line. Let them come across it naturally in the course of
> learning Linux. Less trauma that way. ;-)
>
It suddenly struck me earlier today when reading this thread that enough 
time has gone by that people have grown up with computers where WIndows is 
the operating system.

There was  a time when people stuck to Microsoft operating systems, but 
they did have a command line, and then eventually could run Windows on top 
of it.  But MS-DOS has now receded enough into the past that that's not 
the case.

I guess I was thinking of the distinction between being experienced with 
computers and being experienced with Linux.  I had no problems using 
Slackware out of the box, starting in 2001, despite all the comments about 
how it's for "advanced" users or whatever is said.  But I'd had over 20 
years of using computers before that, starting with a computer that had no 
video or ascii keyboard connected to it.  There was a time when people did 
have command line history even if they hadn't been using Unix or Linux, 
that's no longer so true.

   Michael

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#8109

On 2013-05-11, Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote:

> have command line history even if they hadn't been using Unix or Linux, 
> that's no longer so true.

This is the paradox I keep pointing out.  You say ppl today are not
command line savvy, yet they can text with their thumb almost as fast
as I can touch type.  Txting on cell phones and posting on twitter are
text centric, yet ppl quail before a command line.  It's crazy.  

Granted, I was introduced to Microsoft with PC-DOS, plus I touch type,
so I'm no stranger to the CLI.  In fact, I despise the mouse.  Hate
having to reach for it.  In everything but graphics, it's a drag.
But, it has its place.

People are hung up on GUIz and the mouse merely cuz they're lazy, not
stupid.  They learned the mouse and it's enough, so leave 'em alone.
People are militant about their laziness.  "I don't want to learn a
quicker way!"  Makes 'em feel stupid.  "I LIKE my mouse!!".  Fine.  I
say let 'em stew in their ignorance.  No skin off my arse.  ;)

nb    

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#8110

On Saturday, May 11th, 2013, at 12:49:35h +0000, Not BoB observed:

> People are hung up on GUIz and the mouse merely cuz they're lazy, not
> stupid.  They learned the mouse and it's enough, so leave 'em alone.
> People are militant about their laziness.  "I don't want to learn a
> quicker way!"  Makes 'em feel stupid.  "I LIKE my mouse!!".

Well said NotBoB.

There is a poster with just that attitude who infests
the Ubuntu and Mint newsgroups.

My feeling is that people should be required to know a few
command line commands before they start using a GUI.

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#8111

On Saturday 11 May 2013 14:56, J G Miller conveyed the following to 
comp.os.linux.misc...

> On Saturday, May 11th, 2013, at 12:49:35h +0000, Not BoB observed:
> 
>> People are hung up on GUIz and the mouse merely cuz they're lazy, not
>> stupid.  They learned the mouse and it's enough, so leave 'em alone.
>> People are militant about their laziness.  "I don't want to learn a
>> quicker way!"  Makes 'em feel stupid.  "I LIKE my mouse!!".
> 
> Well said NotBoB.
> 
> There is a poster with just that attitude who infests
> the Ubuntu and Mint newsgroups.

A letter-spaced one... ;-)

> My feeling is that people should be required to know a few
> command line commands before they start using a GUI.

And that they shouldn't be _afraid_ of using a command line.

-- 
= Aragorn =
  GNU/Linux user #223157 - http://www.linuxcounter.net

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#8112

On 2013-05-11, Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> wrote:

> On Saturday 11 May 2013 14:56, J G Miller conveyed the following to 

>> My feeling is that people should be required to know a few
>> command line commands before they start using a GUI.

> And that they shouldn't be _afraid_ of using a command line.

Too true!

Sometimes, it's the only solution.  I can't count the number of times
I've had to go into whatever is passing for DOS, these days, and use
the command line to bail out some poor windoze schlep that's got his
system all bolloxed.  Sometimes that GUI jes refuses to do its job and
ya' gotta haul out the old tried/true-ware to whip the system back in
line.  I always have some bootable DOS or shell media ready to throw
at a hosed box.  Often, it's the only way.  

Even on linux.  I recall a dual boot system I was trying clean up.
Even cfdisk wouldn't work.  Hadda go back to rudimentary fdisk to
remove a couple stubborn ext2 partitions.  Once you get the hang of
CLI, it's really pretty handy.  Besides, I can still read it with
these old geezer eyeballs, which is why I use slrn instead of pan or
knode and emacs for my file mgr/editor.  Gimme big ol' green letters
on a black background, anytime.  ;)

nb

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#8113

On 05/11/2013 10:14 AM, notbob wrote:
> [snip]Even on linux. I recall a dual boot system I was trying clean
> up. Even cfdisk wouldn't work. Hadda go back to rudimentary fdisk to
> remove a couple stubborn ext2 partitions. Once you get the hang of
> CLI, it's really pretty handy. Besides, I can still read it with these
> old geezer eyeballs, which is why I use slrn instead of pan or knode
> and emacs for my file mgr/editor. Gimme big ol' green letters on a
> black background, anytime. ;) nb 

Sometimes, too, a very short shell script can do what would require an
eternity of shell scripting to accomplish.

And at the risk of starting a flame war, while I prefer the emacs for
almost everything, once in a while, I use vi because a one-liner of
regular expression will do the job that takes me longer with emacs. I
admit I am not an emacs expert; I do not use it for my email reader, for
example.

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#8114 — Re: Wish to try Linux OOps

On 05/11/2013 10:30 AM, Jean-David Beyer wrote:
> On 05/11/2013 10:14 AM, notbob wrote:
>> [snip]Even on linux. I recall a dual boot system I was trying clean
>> up. Even cfdisk wouldn't work. Hadda go back to rudimentary fdisk to
>> remove a couple stubborn ext2 partitions. Once you get the hang of
>> CLI, it's really pretty handy. Besides, I can still read it with these
>> old geezer eyeballs, which is why I use slrn instead of pan or knode
>> and emacs for my file mgr/editor. Gimme big ol' green letters on a
>> black background, anytime. ;) nb 
> Sometimes, too, a very short shell script can do what would require an
> eternity of shell scripting to accomplish.

I meant pointing and clicking...
>
> And at the risk of starting a flame war, while I prefer the emacs for
> almost everything, once in a while, I use vi because a one-liner of
> regular expression will do the job that takes me longer with emacs. I
> admit I am not an emacs expert; I do not use it for my email reader, for
> example.

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#8120 — Re: Wish to try Linux OOps

On 2013-05-11, Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@verizon.net> wrote:
> On 05/11/2013 10:30 AM, Jean-David Beyer wrote:
>> On 05/11/2013 10:14 AM, notbob wrote:
>>> [snip]Even on linux. I recall a dual boot system I was trying clean
>>> up. Even cfdisk wouldn't work. Hadda go back to rudimentary fdisk to
>>> remove a couple stubborn ext2 partitions. Once you get the hang of
>>> CLI, it's really pretty handy. Besides, I can still read it with these
>>> old geezer eyeballs, which is why I use slrn instead of pan or knode
>>> and emacs for my file mgr/editor. Gimme big ol' green letters on a
>>> black background, anytime. ;) nb 
>> Sometimes, too, a very short shell script can do what would require an
>> eternity of shell scripting to accomplish.
>
> I meant pointing and clicking...

Ahhh, yes; how true.  A few years ago, while employed in a
temporary assignment developing software, I worked under a lead
developer who was a _VERY_ big fan of the "Micro$oft Way".  I
didn't realize it was a M$-only shop until the job was underway.

One day, we had imported a source code tree from another group in
the company and needed to look at it in Visual Studio.  The tree
had files with names something like ".svn", one in each
directory.  Visual Studio wouldn't accept the files, because it
said they were under version control.  So, we needed to delete
all of those ".svn" files.  The lead brought up M$'s file mangler
and started browsing.  When he found a target file, he deleted
it, found another, deleted it, etc.  With dozens or hundreds of
such files, it was going to take a terribly long time.

After I detected he was getting frustrated with the slowness of
his method, I mustered all the verbal humility I could (to reduce
risk of being fired for offending the lead developer) and said,
"If you'd like, I can delete all of them in 20 seconds."  He
clicked on a few more and then told me to do it.  I brought up a
Cygwin xterm, went to the root directory of the tree in question,
did "find . -name ...", visually scanned to make sure the command
was working as I had intended, and then did "rm `!!`".  There
were maybe a couple of directories with spaces in their names, so
that simple substitution didn't work.  However, in about 20
seconds enough of the ".svn" files were gone so we could do what
we needed.

-- 
Robert Riches
spamtrap42@jacob21819.net
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

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#8115

On Sat, 11 May 2013, J G Miller wrote:

> On Saturday, May 11th, 2013, at 12:49:35h +0000, Not BoB observed:
>
>> People are hung up on GUIz and the mouse merely cuz they're lazy, not
>> stupid.  They learned the mouse and it's enough, so leave 'em alone.
>> People are militant about their laziness.  "I don't want to learn a
>> quicker way!"  Makes 'em feel stupid.  "I LIKE my mouse!!".
>
> Well said NotBoB.
>
> There is a poster with just that attitude who infests
> the Ubuntu and Mint newsgroups.
>
> My feeling is that people should be required to know a few
> command line commands before they start using a GUI.
>
Some of the neatest things about unix/linux are the tiny little utilities 
that do only one thing, but do something valuable.  I use cal all the 
time, it wouldn't be improved as a GUI. It's always important to note that 
at least some of the GUI programs are merely interfaces to command line 
programs, the very versatility of the command line allowing easy interface 
to a GUI cover.

   Michael

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#8090

Stef wrote:
> Peter Percival wrote:
>
>> I am the proud owner of an Acer Aspire A5-4 notebook running Windows 7,
>> and I have a broadband internet connection.  May I download
>> some-Linux-or-other, burn it on to a CD to use on my note book, [...]
> Remember: Linux isn't Windows.

Excellent!

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