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  Oh Gawd - Now MX Linux "Security Verification" - NO !!! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-16 03:47 -0400
    Re: Oh Gawd - Now MX Linux "Security Verification" - NO !!! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-16 18:54 +0000
      Re: Oh Gawd - Now MX Linux "Security Verification" - NO !!! not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-08-17 08:46 +1000
        Re: Oh Gawd - Now MX Linux "Security Verification" - NO !!! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-16 23:46 -0400
        Open web (was: Re: Oh Gawd - Now MX Linux "Security Verification" - NO !!!) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-17 09:42 +0100
      Re: Oh Gawd - Now MX Linux "Security Verification" - NO !!! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-16 23:44 -0400
        Re: Oh Gawd - Now MX Linux "Security Verification" - NO !!! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-17 03:54 +0000
          Re: Oh Gawd - Now MX Linux "Security Verification" - NO !!! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-17 01:24 -0400
          Linux 7.2 (was: Re: Oh Gawd - Now MX Linux "Security Verification" - NO !!!) vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-17 08:59 +0000
            Re: Linux 7.2 (was: Re: Oh Gawd - Now MX Linux "Security Verification" - NO !!!) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-17 17:39 +0000
              Re: Linux 7.2 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-17 22:26 -0400
            Re: Linux 7.2 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-17 22:21 -0400
              Re: Linux 7.2 Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 08:30 +0100
              Re: Linux 7.2 Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-18 13:51 +0000
                Re: Linux 7.2 not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-08-19 08:16 +1000
                  Re: Linux 7.2 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-18 22:57 -0400
                    Re: Linux 7.2 Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-19 12:37 +0000
                      Re: Linux 7.2 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 20:08 +0000
                  Re: Linux 7.2 Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-19 12:49 +0000
                    Re: Linux 7.2 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:44 +0100
                      Re: Linux 7.2 Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 17:56 +0100
                        Re: Linux 7.2 John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-19 10:27 -0700
                        Re: Linux 7.2 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 19:37 +0100
                    Re: Linux 7.2 John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-19 08:45 -0700
                      Re: Linux 7.2 Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-19 16:48 +0000
        Re: Oh Gawd - Now MX Linux "Security Verification" - NO !!! TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2026-08-17 10:30 -0400
          Re: Oh Gawd - Now MX Linux "Security Verification" - NO !!! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-17 22:25 -0400
            Re: Oh Gawd - Now MX Linux "Security Verification" - NO !!! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 03:05 +0000
              Re: Oh Gawd - Now MX Linux "Security Verification" - NO !!! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-18 00:58 -0400
              Re: Oh Gawd - Now MX Linux "Security Verification" - NO !!! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 10:21 +0100
                Re: Oh Gawd - Now MX Linux "Security Verification" - NO !!! Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-18 13:55 +0000
                  Re: Oh Gawd - Now MX Linux "Security Verification" - NO !!! Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-18 21:24 +0000
                    Re: Oh Gawd - Now MX Linux "Security Verification" - NO !!! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:41 +0100
                      Re: Oh Gawd - Now MX Linux "Security Verification" - NO !!! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 19:00 +0000
              Re: Oh Gawd - Now MX Linux "Security Verification" - NO !!! Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-18 13:53 +0000
                Re: Oh Gawd - Now MX Linux "Security Verification" - NO !!! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 16:30 +0000
                  Re: Oh Gawd - Now MX Linux "Security Verification" - NO !!! Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-18 23:02 +0000
                    Re: Oh Gawd - Now MX Linux "Security Verification" - NO !!! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-18 23:02 -0400
                      Re: Oh Gawd - Now MX Linux "Security Verification" - NO !!! Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-19 12:53 +0000
                        Re: Oh Gawd - Now MX Linux "Security Verification" - NO !!! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 19:25 +0000
            Re: Oh Gawd - Now MX Linux "Security Verification" - NO !!! TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2026-08-19 11:48 -0400
      Re: Oh Gawd - Now MX Linux "Security Verification" - NO !!! Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-17 09:38 +0100
        Re: Oh Gawd - Now MX Linux "Security Verification" - NO !!! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-17 17:14 +0000

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#90148 — Re: Linux 7.2

The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes:
> On 19/08/2026 13:49, Rich wrote:
>>> You don't need to try hard to trap one of these crawlers like that.
>>> Just enable PHPSESSID on a PHP website and every time it gets a new
>>> session variable it will think it's found a whole new website, while
>>> remembering to still go back and re-crawl the site with all the old
>>> PHPSESSIDs it's ever received.  "AmazonBot" is still trying old
>>> PHPSESSID URLs on one site many months after I disabled generating
>>> them.
>
>> Don't have php running on the site, and wanted a "poison honeypot" to
>> fuck with their models.
>
> Just ascertain their IP source addresses and pop in a firewall

There are an an awful lot of source addresses involved, typically
millions of them, due to the use of ‘residential proxy networks’.

-- 
https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/

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#90151 — Re: Linux 7.2

On Wed, 19 Aug 2026 17:56:45 +0100
Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> > Just ascertain their IP source addresses and pop in a firewall  
> 
> There are an an awful lot of source addresses involved, typically
> millions of them, due to the use of ‘residential proxy networks’.

IP whitelisting/blacklisting can *help* with crowd control (we use it
at $EMPLOYER just to cut down on all the wardialers operating from the
Pottsylvanian hinterlands,) but yeah, it's nothing like comprehensive.

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#90153 — Re: Linux 7.2

On 19/08/2026 17:56, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes:
>> On 19/08/2026 13:49, Rich wrote:
>>>> You don't need to try hard to trap one of these crawlers like that.
>>>> Just enable PHPSESSID on a PHP website and every time it gets a new
>>>> session variable it will think it's found a whole new website, while
>>>> remembering to still go back and re-crawl the site with all the old
>>>> PHPSESSIDs it's ever received.  "AmazonBot" is still trying old
>>>> PHPSESSID URLs on one site many months after I disabled generating
>>>> them.
>>
>>> Don't have php running on the site, and wanted a "poison honeypot" to
>>> fuck with their models.
>>
>> Just ascertain their IP source addresses and pop in a firewall
> 
> There are an an awful lot of source addresses involved, typically
> millions of them, due to the use of ‘residential proxy networks’.
> 
Not for the googleCrawlers.
Chinese netRatz, yes.

-- 
In todays liberal progressive conflict-free education system, everyone 
gets full Marx.

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#90145 — Re: Linux 7.2

On Wed, 19 Aug 2026 12:49:05 -0000 (UTC)
Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:

> While I don't like the damn things any more than anyone else here, at 
> least the pixie girl, while looking like an adolescent prank, does
> not often force me to "click on all the busses" three times in a row
> (after clicking on "all the busses", because it does not realize the
> panel truck in frame 5 of 9 is **not a bus**) followed by select the
> bicycles (and now it thinks motorcycles are bicycles) just to get
> past its screening.

It explained a *lot* about Google CAPTCHAs when I put 2 + 2 together
re: their self-driving StreetView cars. Apparently the proof of person-
hood is one's willingness to do free training for someone else's robots
:/

Hate these things as much as anybody, but I will credit the Anubis dev
with this: it's *vastly* more lightweight and cross-compatible than
furshlugginer CloudFlare, which at this point straight-up crashes my
browser.

Just can't wait for the damn bubble to finish bursting, already...

A'course, there's a whole other rant to be had on the needless anthropo-
centrism of "are you human?" =^_^=

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#90147 — Re: Linux 7.2

On 2026-08-19, John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Aug 2026 12:49:05 -0000 (UTC)
> Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
>
>> While I don't like the damn things any more than anyone else here, at 
>> least the pixie girl, while looking like an adolescent prank, does
>> not often force me to "click on all the busses" three times in a row
>> (after clicking on "all the busses", because it does not realize the
>> panel truck in frame 5 of 9 is **not a bus**) followed by select the
>> bicycles (and now it thinks motorcycles are bicycles) just to get
>> past its screening.
>
> It explained a *lot* about Google CAPTCHAs when I put 2 + 2 together
> re: their self-driving StreetView cars. Apparently the proof of person-
> hood is one's willingness to do free training for someone else's robots
>:/

You must be referring to the humorous image that instructs the
user to click on all the panes that contain a stop sign--and
please hurry because their self-driving car is approaching the
intersection.  :-)

-- 
Robert Riches
spamtrap42@jacob21819.net
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

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#89967

On 2026-08-16 23:44, c186282 wrote:
> On 8/16/26 14:54, rbowman wrote:
>> On Sun, 16 Aug 2026 03:47:41 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>>
>>> WHO told them to do this ???
>>>
>>> No, I'm NOT gonna comply.
>>>
>>> If the Pixie Girl or equivs appear I *instantly*
>>> quit.
>>>
>>> Evil !
>>
>> So a 2 second CAPTCHA 3 a website uses to protect against malicious
>> attacks ruins your entire day?
> 
>    Yep.
> 
>    Over and out.
> 
>    Oh, and nobody STEALS Linux - it's FREE.
> 
Don't bother with Mageia's Bugzilla, then. Before we added mitigation, 
there were times when it was completely unusable, due to bots 
overloading our servers. They still manage to sneak in every once in a 
while, somehow.

So with or without mitigation, you would not be happy with us.

TJ

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#90011

On 8/17/26 10:30, TJ wrote:
> On 2026-08-16 23:44, c186282 wrote:
>> On 8/16/26 14:54, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Sun, 16 Aug 2026 03:47:41 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>>>
>>>> WHO told them to do this ???
>>>>
>>>> No, I'm NOT gonna comply.
>>>>
>>>> If the Pixie Girl or equivs appear I *instantly*
>>>> quit.
>>>>
>>>> Evil !
>>>
>>> So a 2 second CAPTCHA 3 a website uses to protect against malicious
>>> attacks ruins your entire day?
>>
>>    Yep.
>>
>>    Over and out.
>>
>>    Oh, and nobody STEALS Linux - it's FREE.
>>
> Don't bother with Mageia's Bugzilla, then. Before we added mitigation, 
> there were times when it was completely unusable, due to bots 
> overloading our servers. They still manage to sneak in every once in a 
> while, somehow.
> 
> So with or without mitigation, you would not be happy with us.
> 
> TJ

   OK ... I'll ignore Mageia BugZilla.

   Actually, given the current environ, heading
   into the BSD universe. If I want bullshit I'd
   buy Winders .....

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#90019

On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 22:25:46 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>    Actually, given the current environ, heading into the BSD universe.
>    If I want bullshit I'd buy Winders .....

That will be a short trip. Every Linux distro you've touched pissed you 
off for one reason or the other. There aren't that many BSD flavors.

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#90030

On 8/17/26 23:05, rbowman wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 22:25:46 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
>>     Actually, given the current environ, heading into the BSD universe.
>>     If I want bullshit I'd buy Winders .....
> 
> That will be a short trip. Every Linux distro you've touched pissed you
> off for one reason or the other. There aren't that many BSD flavors.

   "Ghost" is pretty damned nice. Just downloaded
   the latest one. Have a spare mini-box just
   waiting for a new distro .......

   Also got the very latest Deb and Antix and ...
   well, the most useful/interesting ... over the
   past few days. No Pixie Girl or equiv then
   I'll download. That should keep me good for
   maybe a year.

   A couple years ago I glanced at OpenIndiana/Solaris.
   It didn't seem so bad - but was 'different' enough
   that I didn't wanna bother.

   Now ....

   Anyway, yes, too much BULLSHIT and I will dump
   Linux. Sad, but ya gotta do what ya gotta do.

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#90047

On 18/08/2026 04:05, rbowman wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 22:25:46 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
>>     Actually, given the current environ, heading into the BSD universe.
>>     If I want bullshit I'd buy Winders .....
> 
> That will be a short trip. Every Linux distro you've touched pissed you
> off for one reason or the other. There aren't that many BSD flavors.

The way he finds things to complain about, makes me wonder if he is in 
fact a German...

-- 
“Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, 
diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.”
― Groucho Marx

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#90064

The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 18/08/2026 04:05, rbowman wrote:
>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 22:25:46 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>> 
>>>     Actually, given the current environ, heading into the BSD universe.
>>>     If I want bullshit I'd buy Winders .....
>> 
>> That will be a short trip. Every Linux distro you've touched pissed you
>> off for one reason or the other. There aren't that many BSD flavors.
> 
> The way he finds things to complain about, makes me wonder if he is in 
> fact a German...

He could also be an AI troll, programed to complain about everything...

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#90077

On 2026-08-18, Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 18/08/2026 04:05, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 22:25:46 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>>> 
>>>>     Actually, given the current environ, heading into the BSD universe.
>>>>     If I want bullshit I'd buy Winders .....
>>> 
>>> That will be a short trip. Every Linux distro you've touched pissed you
>>> off for one reason or the other. There aren't that many BSD flavors.
>> 
>> The way he finds things to complain about, makes me wonder if he is in 
>> fact a German...
>
> He could also be an AI troll, programed to complain about everything...

Are you complaining about him?

Please be careful with that, lest you might trigger a chain
reaction and turned all of us into AI trolls.  ;-)

-- 
Robert Riches
spamtrap42@jacob21819.net
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

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#90132

On 18/08/2026 22:24, Robert Riches wrote:
> On 2026-08-18, Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 18/08/2026 04:05, rbowman wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 22:25:46 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>      Actually, given the current environ, heading into the BSD universe.
>>>>>      If I want bullshit I'd buy Winders .....
>>>>
>>>> That will be a short trip. Every Linux distro you've touched pissed you
>>>> off for one reason or the other. There aren't that many BSD flavors.
>>>
>>> The way he finds things to complain about, makes me wonder if he is in
>>> fact a German...
>>
>> He could also be an AI troll, programed to complain about everything...
> 
> Are you complaining about him?
> 
Not in the slightest,

Management experience taught me to be pragmatic about verbal noise 
generators with no discernible signals at all. And that there is in the 
end no one to complain to.

He is simply below the noise gate threshold, so to speak

> Please be careful with that, lest you might trigger a chain
> reaction and turned all of us into AI trolls.  ;-)
> 

*shrug*. We live in our little constructed simulation of reality. All 
based on entirely limited and very local data. Many people might just as 
well be AI. Trained from birth to make predictable responses about 
everything and elect the *right* presidents etc.




-- 
It is the folly of too many to mistake the echo of a London coffee-house 
for the voice of the kingdom.

Jonathan Swift

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#90154

On Wed, 19 Aug 2026 14:41:48 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> *shrug*. We live in our little constructed simulation of reality. All
> based on entirely limited and very local data. Many people might just as
> well be AI. Trained from birth to make predictable responses about
> everything and elect the *right* presidents etc.

I once had a friend and I think a chatbot would have been an improvement 
except for some things I don't think chatbots do yet. Given the Japanese 
creativity with sex toys they'll probably fix that soon.

I've been waiting a long time for the *right* president. Not going to 
happen.

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#90063

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 22:25:46 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
>>    Actually, given the current environ, heading into the BSD universe.
>>    If I want bullshit I'd buy Winders .....
> 
> That will be a short trip. Every Linux distro you've touched pissed you 
> off for one reason or the other. There aren't that many BSD flavors.

Yep, he will become extremely put off by /something/ in the BSD's.  If 
nothing else, the fact that unless he goes out of his way they don't 
have the GNU CLI toolset and the BSD equivalents have different options 
flags, so the conversion requires some relearning.

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#90072

On 2026-08-18, Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:

> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 22:25:46 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>> 
>>>    Actually, given the current environ, heading into the BSD universe.
>>>    If I want bullshit I'd buy Winders .....
>> 
>> That will be a short trip. Every Linux distro you've touched pissed you 
>> off for one reason or the other. There aren't that many BSD flavors.
>
> Yep, he will become extremely put off by /something/ in the BSD's.  If 
> nothing else, the fact that unless he goes out of his way they don't 
> have the GNU CLI toolset and the BSD equivalents have different options 
> flags, so the conversion requires some relearning.

Hell, I hit that with the ps command 40 years ago.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  In this world there are
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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#90081

On Tue, 18 Aug 2026 16:30:03 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> On 2026-08-18, Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
>
>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 22:25:46 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>>>
>>>> Actually, given the current environ, heading into the BSD
>>>> universe. If I want bullshit I'd buy Winders .....
>>>
>>> That will be a short trip. Every Linux distro you've touched
>>> pissed you off for one reason or the other. There aren't that many
>>> BSD flavors.

Not only that, but the BSD variants are incompatible with each other.
Not necessarily in glaringly obvious ways, but in subtle ones like
differences in filesystem implementation. To the point where if you
tried to mount a volume created with one variant on another, you could
be setting yourself up for filesystem corruption and data loss, and
basically much wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Long story short, “distro-hopping” is a thing in the Linux world,
don’t try it in the BSD world.

>> Yep, he will become extremely put off by /something/ in the BSD's.
>> If nothing else, the fact that unless he goes out of his way they
>> don't have the GNU CLI toolset and the BSD equivalents have
>> different options flags, so the conversion requires some
>> relearning.
>
> Hell, I hit that with the ps command 40 years ago.

The procps version of ps <https://manpages.debian.org/ps(1)> (as
commonly found in Linux distros) bends over backwards, knots itself
into a pretzel, and then attempts some even more
topologically-implausible feats, in its attempt to remain as
compatible as possible with all the oddball legacy ps-es from before.
But even it has to draw the line somewhere.

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#90089

On 8/18/26 19:02, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Aug 2026 16:30:03 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> 
>> On 2026-08-18, Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 22:25:46 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Actually, given the current environ, heading into the BSD
>>>>> universe. If I want bullshit I'd buy Winders .....
>>>>
>>>> That will be a short trip. Every Linux distro you've touched
>>>> pissed you off for one reason or the other. There aren't that many
>>>> BSD flavors.
> 
> Not only that, but the BSD variants are incompatible with each other.
> Not necessarily in glaringly obvious ways, but in subtle ones like
> differences in filesystem implementation. To the point where if you
> tried to mount a volume created with one variant on another, you could
> be setting yourself up for filesystem corruption and data loss, and
> basically much wailing and gnashing of teeth.
> 
> Long story short, “distro-hopping” is a thing in the Linux world,
> don’t try it in the BSD world.

   I tend to agree. However, at least using somewhat
   higher-level langs, the file-system issues kind
   of fade a bit.

   FreeBSD is an old 'standard' - and there are a number
   of 'user improved' BSD issues that use FBSD as a base.
   FBSD can mount EXT(n) file systems too.

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#90117

c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
> On 8/18/26 19:02, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2026 16:30:03 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2026-08-18, Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 22:25:46 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually, given the current environ, heading into the BSD
>>>>>> universe. If I want bullshit I'd buy Winders .....
>>>>>
>>>>> That will be a short trip. Every Linux distro you've touched
>>>>> pissed you off for one reason or the other. There aren't that many
>>>>> BSD flavors.
>> 
>> Not only that, but the BSD variants are incompatible with each other.
>> Not necessarily in glaringly obvious ways, but in subtle ones like
>> differences in filesystem implementation. To the point where if you
>> tried to mount a volume created with one variant on another, you could
>> be setting yourself up for filesystem corruption and data loss, and
>> basically much wailing and gnashing of teeth.
>> 
>> Long story short, “distro-hopping” is a thing in the Linux world,
>> don’t try it in the BSD world.
> 
>   I tend to agree. However, at least using somewhat
>   higher-level langs, the file-system issues kind
>   of fade a bit.

The filesystem issue mentioned has **nothing** to do with higher level 
languages.  The point made (which you obviously missed, as usual) is if 
you start by installing OpenBSD, and format your disk with the OpenBSD 
FFS.  And then decide, hmm, I'm going to give FreeBSD a try now, and 
just install FreeBSD, but *do not reformat* the disk using FreeBSD's 
variant of FFS, it will *appear* to work, but subtle issues will arise 
that end up making a big mess as they grow.

Unlike with Linux where Ubuntu uses ext4 and Redhat uses exactly the 
same ext4 and Mint uses exactly the same ext4, so you can jump from one 
to the other without having to reformat your ext4 filesystems as part 
of the jumps.

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#90155

On Wed, 19 Aug 2026 12:53:44 -0000 (UTC), Rich wrote:

> Unlike with Linux where Ubuntu uses ext4 and Redhat uses exactly the
> same ext4 and Mint uses exactly the same ext4, so you can jump from one
> to the other without having to reformat your ext4 filesystems as part of
> the jumps.

quibble:SUSE Leap, Fedoran, and iirc Arch default to btrfs. I ran into 
problems with SUSE 13.2 that defaulted to btrfs. At least at that time 
grub didn't do btrfs. I reinstalled with ext4.  My preference had been 
ReiserFS but it was out of favor by then. I don't think strangling your 
wife should be considered in technical decisions. 

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