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| First post | 2025-12-29 05:31 -0500 |
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This Is a Job For - Polarizing Film ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-29 05:31 -0500
Re: This Is a Job For - Polarizing Film ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-29 11:25 -0500
Re: This Is a Job For - Polarizing Film ? Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood <phaywood@alphalink.com.au> - 2026-01-01 14:29 +1100
Re: This Is a Job For - Polarizing Film ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 13:22 +0000
Re: This Is a Job For - Polarizing Film ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-01 23:22 -0500
Re: This Is a Job For - Polarizing Film ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 07:29 +0000
Re: This Is a Job For - Polarizing Film ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 06:08 -0500
Re: This Is a Job For - Polarizing Film ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 01:34 +0000
Re: This Is a Job For - Polarizing Film ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 21:19 -0500
Re: This Is a Job For - Polarizing Film ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 21:55 +0000
Re: This Is a Job For - Polarizing Film ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-02 11:45 +0100
Re: This Is a Job For - Polarizing Film ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 06:16 -0500
Re: This Is a Job For - Polarizing Film ? Mike Scott <usenet.16@scottsonline.org.uk.invalid> - 2026-01-02 17:10 +0000
Re: This Is a Job For - Polarizing Film ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 14:55 -0500
Re: This Is a Job For - Polarizing Film ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-02 22:07 +0100
Re: This Is a Job For - Polarizing Film ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-02 22:19 +0100
Re: This Is a Job For - Polarizing Film ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 01:42 +0000
Re: This Is a Job For - Polarizing Film ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 21:21 -0500
Re: This Is a Job For - Polarizing Film ? Mike Scott <usenet.16@scottsonline.org.uk.invalid> - 2026-01-03 08:46 +0000
Re: This Is a Job For - Polarizing Film ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-03 14:35 +0100
Re: Sun Position (was Re: This Is a Job For - Polarizing Film ?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-03 22:00 +0000
Re: This Is a Job For - Polarizing Film ? Mike Scott <usenet.16@scottsonline.org.uk.invalid> - 2026-01-01 14:50 +0000
Re: This Is a Job For - Polarizing Film ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 02:22 -0500
DUC[KT] tape Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-02 14:48 +0000
Re: DUC[KT] tape Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-01-02 14:56 +0000
Re: DUC[KT] tape c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 10:21 -0500
Re: DUC[KT] tape rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 01:58 +0000
Re: DUC[KT] tape Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood <phaywood@alphalink.com.au> - 2026-01-05 11:28 +1100
Re: DUC[KT] tape Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-01-06 13:32 +0000
Re: DUC[KT] tape Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-01-07 02:14 +0000
Re: DUC[KT] tape c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-06 22:42 -0500
Re: DUC[KT] tape Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-07 06:33 +0000
Re: DUC[KT] tape The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 09:33 +0000
Re: DUC[KT] tape c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-07 18:45 -0500
Re: DUC[KT] tape Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood <phaywood@alphalink.com.au> - 2026-01-09 12:13 +1100
Re: DUC[KT] tape rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-10 02:52 +0000
Re: DUC[KT] tape Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-01-10 10:20 +0000
Re: DUC[KT] tape rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-10 20:07 +0000
Re: DUC[KT] tape c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-10 20:45 -0500
Re: DUC[KT] tape rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 06:02 +0000
Re: DUC[KT] tape c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 01:30 -0500
Re: DUC[KT] tape rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 22:17 +0000
Re: DUC[KT] tape Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood <phaywood@alphalink.com.au> - 2026-01-16 12:32 +1100
Re: DUC[KT] tape The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 12:04 +0000
Re: DUC[KT] tape vs Gaffer tape Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-07 14:40 +0000
Re: DUC[KT] tape c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 10:16 -0500
Re: DUC[KT] tape rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 01:59 +0000
Re: DUC[KT] tape rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 01:48 +0000
Re: DUC[KT] tape c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 21:39 -0500
Re: DUC[KT] tape The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-03 08:42 +0000
Re: DUC[KT] tape c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-03 07:09 -0500
Re: DUC[KT] tape The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-03 13:58 +0000
Re: DUC[KT] tape rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 21:35 +0000
Re: DUC[KT] tape c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-03 16:56 -0500
Re: DUC[KT] tape The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-03 23:01 +0000
Re: DUC[KT] tape Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-03 23:38 +0000
Re: DUC[KT] tape c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-03 19:51 -0500
Re: DUC[KT] tape rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-04 05:42 +0000
Re: DUC[KT] tape The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-04 11:02 +0000
Re: DUC[KT] tape rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 00:31 +0000
Re: DUC[KT] tape The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-04 10:56 +0000
Re: DUC[KT] tape "Worst Case"@dizum.com - 2026-01-04 19:05 +0100
Re: DUC[KT] tape "Worst Case"@dizum.com - 2026-01-04 21:07 +0100
Re: DUC[KT] tape Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-03 23:41 +0000
Re: DUC[KT] tape c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-03 20:31 -0500
Re: DUC[KT] tape Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-04 10:48 +0000
Re: DUC[KT] tape The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-04 10:53 +0000
Re: DUC[KT] tape The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-04 10:52 +0000
Re: DUC[KT] tape rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-04 06:05 +0000
Re: DUC[KT] tape Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-03 14:26 +0000
Re: This Is a Job For - Polarizing Film ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-01 19:21 +0000
Re: This Is a Job For - Polarizing Film ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 02:56 -0500
Re: This Is a Job For - Polarizing Film ? Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood <phaywood@alphalink.com.au> - 2026-01-03 00:50 +1100
Re: This Is a Job For - Polarizing Film ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 01:21 +0000
Re: This Is a Job For - Polarizing Film ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-05 12:44 +0100
Re: This Is a Job For - Polarizing Film ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-01 21:48 +0000
Re: This Is a Job For - Polarizing Film ? "Rinaldi J. Montessi" <rinaldij@alien.free> - 2026-01-01 17:23 -0600
Re: This Is a Job For - Polarizing Film ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-01 23:56 +0000
Re: This Is a Job For - Polarizing Film ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-02 02:18 +0000
Re: This Is a Job For - Polarizing Film ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-02 05:02 +0000
Re: This Is a Job For - Polarizing Film ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-02 06:04 +0000
Re: This Is a Job For - Polarizing Film ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-02 21:27 +0000
Re: This Is a Job For - Polarizing Film ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-03 00:18 +0000
Re: This Is a Job For - Polarizing Film ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 21:44 -0500
Re: This Is a Job For - Polarizing Film ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-03 06:09 +0000
Re: This Is a Job For - Polarizing Film ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-03 08:41 +0000
Re: This Is a Job For - Polarizing Film ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-05 12:52 +0100
Re: This Is a Job For - Polarizing Film ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 07:25 +0000
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-03 22:00 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Sun Position (was Re: This Is a Job For - Polarizing Film ?) |
| Message-ID | <10jc3h8$1i4ia$8@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80405 |
On Sat, 3 Jan 2026 08:46:48 +0000, Mike Scott wrote: >> https://pypi.org/project/astral/ > > Can't have too much of a good thing :-} I have used this <https://packages.debian.org/trixie/python3-pysolar>. > I wonder if they give the same results though? Might be interesting > to cross-check them. Like any good scientist. ;)
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| From | Mike Scott <usenet.16@scottsonline.org.uk.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-01 14:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10j61ja$3hv7b$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80229 |
On 01/01/2026 03:29, Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood wrote: > Groovy hepcat c186282 was jivin' in comp.os.linux.misc on Tue, 30 Dec > 2025 03:25 am. It's a cool scene! Dig it. > >> Had some non-stick film, and duck tape. SEEMS > > Forgive the spelling correction here; but unless it quacks and > waddles, that's duct tape. :) > https://www.ducktape.co.uk/ -- Mike Scott Harlow, England
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-01-02 02:22 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <7cadnTFwKKy978r0nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #80236 |
On 1/1/26 09:50, Mike Scott wrote: > On 01/01/2026 03:29, Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood wrote: >> Groovy hepcat c186282 was jivin' in comp.os.linux.misc on Tue, 30 Dec >> 2025 03:25 am. It's a cool scene! Dig it. >> >>> Had some non-stick film, and duck tape. SEEMS >> >> Forgive the spelling correction here; but unless it quacks and >> waddles, that's duct tape. :) >> > > https://www.ducktape.co.uk/ Yep, originally "Duck" ... then later, likely for brand-name legal reasons, oft said "Duct". It IS good for 'ducts' too.
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| From | Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-02 14:48 +0000 |
| Subject | DUC[KT] tape |
| Message-ID | <slrn10lfmmb.95fc.lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> |
| In reply to | #80284 |
> On 1/1/26 09:50, Mike Scott wrote: >> https://www.ducktape.co.uk/ On 2026-01-02, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > Yep, originally "Duck" ... then later, likely > for brand-name legal reasons, oft said "Duct". > > It IS good for 'ducts' too. My nieces in Denmark call it Gaffer tape. My understanding is that it was developed for sealing ammunition canisters in WW2, and the grunts called it duck tape. Forced air heating with ducts that needed sealing were not common until later. -- Lars Poulsen - an old geek in Santa Barbara, California
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-01-02 14:56 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: DUC[KT] tape |
| Message-ID | <mrq4l0F135kU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #80317 |
Lars Poulsen wrote: > My nieces in Denmark call it Gaffer tape. gaffer tape is different, designed to come off cleanly when used e.g. for marking positions on stage
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-01-02 10:21 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: DUC[KT] tape |
| Message-ID | <Nt2dnSf-yfPif8r0nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #80319 |
On 1/2/26 09:56, Andy Burns wrote: > Lars Poulsen wrote: > >> My nieces in Denmark call it Gaffer tape. > > gaffer tape is different, designed to come off cleanly when used e.g. > for marking positions on stage Yea, it's more a a paper-based tape whereas Duck/Duct is cloth. I've used 'gaffer' tape before and it does tread the line between "sticky ENOUGH" and "still removable". There's a less-sticky tape that's popular now intended to mask off stuff being painted and I've seen that used for marking off areas as well.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-03 01:58 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: DUC[KT] tape |
| Message-ID | <mrrbepF6n51U8@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #80322 |
On Fri, 2 Jan 2026 10:21:34 -0500, c186282 wrote: > On 1/2/26 09:56, Andy Burns wrote: >> Lars Poulsen wrote: >> >>> My nieces in Denmark call it Gaffer tape. >> >> gaffer tape is different, designed to come off cleanly when used e.g. >> for marking positions on stage > > Yea, it's more a a paper-based tape whereas Duck/Duct is cloth. I've > used 'gaffer' tape before and it does tread the line between "sticky > ENOUGH" and "still removable". There's a less-sticky tape that's > popular now intended to mask off stuff being painted and I've seen > that used for marking off areas as well. I've got a roll of that. It's blue to differentiate it from 'masking tape'. https://www.scotchblue.com/3M/en_US/p/d/b00035531/ I had a bad experience using the standard masking tape on French doors. You really want to get that stuff off in a timely fashion. The blue painters tape is more forgiving.
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| From | Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood <phaywood@alphalink.com.au> |
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| Date | 2026-01-05 11:28 +1100 |
| Subject | Re: DUC[KT] tape |
| Message-ID | <g6dr2m-us1.ln1@otis.foo> |
| In reply to | #80319 |
Groovy hepcat Andy Burns was jivin' in comp.os.linux.misc on Sat, 3 Jan
2026 01:56 am. It's a cool scene! Dig it.
> Lars Poulsen wrote:
>
>> My nieces in Denmark call it Gaffer tape.
>
> gaffer tape is different, designed to come off cleanly when used e.g.
> for marking positions on stage
No, gaffer tape is electrical tape. Gaffers are stage/movie/TV
electricians. They rig up wiring for the lighting, etc.
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-01-06 13:32 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: DUC[KT] tape |
| Message-ID | <ms4h7hFnhq5U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #80577 |
Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood wrote: > Andy Burns wrote: > >> gaffer tape is different, designed to come off cleanly when used e.g. >> for marking positions on stage > > No, gaffer tape is electrical tape. Gaffers are stage/movie/TV > electricians. They rig up wiring for the lighting, etc. Doesn't stop the tape being used for various purposes, see description <https://stagedepot.co.uk/essentials/tape#:~:text=Gaffer%20Tapes>
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| From | Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> |
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| Date | 2026-01-07 02:14 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: DUC[KT] tape |
| Message-ID | <slrn10lrgbb.48e.spamtrap42@one.localnet> |
| In reply to | #80577 |
On 2026-01-05, Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood <phaywood@alphalink.com.au> wrote: > Groovy hepcat Andy Burns was jivin' in comp.os.linux.misc on Sat, 3 Jan > 2026 01:56 am. It's a cool scene! Dig it. > >> Lars Poulsen wrote: >> >>> My nieces in Denmark call it Gaffer tape. >> >> gaffer tape is different, designed to come off cleanly when used e.g. >> for marking positions on stage > > No, gaffer tape is electrical tape. Gaffers are stage/movie/TV > electricians. They rig up wiring for the lighting, etc. At least in the US since the latter 1970s for "gaffer tape" and since the 1960s for "electrical tape", the two are drastically different: - electrical tape is stretchable, about 3/4" wide, and it is used for wrapping bare wires to prevent short circuiting - gaffer tape does not stretch substantially, is about 2" wide, and is used for making sure (already-insulated) cables don't move around on the floor, walls, etc. -- Robert Riches spamtrap42@jacob21819.net (Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-01-06 22:42 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: DUC[KT] tape |
| Message-ID | <w62dnT8D47y9S8D0nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #80645 |
On 1/6/26 21:14, Robert Riches wrote: > On 2026-01-05, Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood <phaywood@alphalink.com.au> wrote: >> Groovy hepcat Andy Burns was jivin' in comp.os.linux.misc on Sat, 3 Jan >> 2026 01:56 am. It's a cool scene! Dig it. >> >>> Lars Poulsen wrote: >>> >>>> My nieces in Denmark call it Gaffer tape. >>> >>> gaffer tape is different, designed to come off cleanly when used e.g. >>> for marking positions on stage >> >> No, gaffer tape is electrical tape. Gaffers are stage/movie/TV >> electricians. They rig up wiring for the lighting, etc. > > At least in the US since the latter 1970s for "gaffer tape" and > since the 1960s for "electrical tape", the two are drastically > different: > > - electrical tape is stretchable, about 3/4" wide, and it is used > for wrapping bare wires to prevent short circuiting > > - gaffer tape does not stretch substantially, is about 2" wide, > and is used for making sure (already-insulated) cables don't > move around on the floor, walls, etc. Before everyone gets nasty, consider that there is no EXACT def of 'gaffer tape'. I've seen wide 'electrical tape' marketed as such, also various kinds of paper and cloth based tapes over the years. So don't get into the whole "How many angels on the head of a pin" kind of religion here. Brands, brand-names, commerce ... defs VARY and DRIFT.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-07 06:33 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: DUC[KT] tape |
| Message-ID | <g7n7R.1472891$79B9.774092@fx14.iad> |
| In reply to | #80648 |
On 2026-01-07, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > On 1/6/26 21:14, Robert Riches wrote: > >> On 2026-01-05, Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood <phaywood@alphalink.com.au> wrote: >> >>> Groovy hepcat Andy Burns was jivin' in comp.os.linux.misc on Sat, 3 Jan >>> 2026 01:56 am. It's a cool scene! Dig it. >>> >>>> Lars Poulsen wrote: >>>> >>>>> My nieces in Denmark call it Gaffer tape. >>>> >>>> gaffer tape is different, designed to come off cleanly when used e.g. >>>> for marking positions on stage >>> >>> No, gaffer tape is electrical tape. Gaffers are stage/movie/TV >>> electricians. They rig up wiring for the lighting, etc. >> >> At least in the US since the latter 1970s for "gaffer tape" and >> since the 1960s for "electrical tape", the two are drastically >> different: >> >> - electrical tape is stretchable, about 3/4" wide, and it is used >> for wrapping bare wires to prevent short circuiting >> >> - gaffer tape does not stretch substantially, is about 2" wide, >> and is used for making sure (already-insulated) cables don't >> move around on the floor, walls, etc. > > Before everyone gets nasty, consider that there > is no EXACT def of 'gaffer tape'. I've seen wide > 'electrical tape' marketed as such, also various > kinds of paper and cloth based tapes over the > years. > > So don't get into the whole "How many angels on > the head of a pin" kind of religion here. Brands, > brand-names, commerce ... defs VARY and DRIFT. True - but gaffer tape tends to be cloth-backed (visible fibers), while "electrical tape" (at least in these parts) is a simple strip of adhesive-coated plastic. The chief differences between gaffer tape and duct tape are that gaffer tape is usually black while duct tape is silver, and the adhesive in gaffer tape doesn't leave as much nasty residue. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-07 09:33 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: DUC[KT] tape |
| Message-ID | <10jl992$h5hi$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80653 |
On 07/01/2026 06:33, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> The chief differences between gaffer tape and duct tape are that
> gaffer tape is usually black while duct tape is silver, and the
> adhesive in gaffer tape doesn't leave as much nasty residue.
>
In the UK back in the day the roadies all used the silver sort.
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forgotten your aim."
George Santayana
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-01-07 18:45 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: DUC[KT] tape |
| Message-ID | <E5mcnWdDiv20bcP0nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #80653 |
On 1/7/26 01:33, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-01-07, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > >> On 1/6/26 21:14, Robert Riches wrote: >> >>> On 2026-01-05, Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood <phaywood@alphalink.com.au> wrote: >>> >>>> Groovy hepcat Andy Burns was jivin' in comp.os.linux.misc on Sat, 3 Jan >>>> 2026 01:56 am. It's a cool scene! Dig it. >>>> >>>>> Lars Poulsen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> My nieces in Denmark call it Gaffer tape. >>>>> >>>>> gaffer tape is different, designed to come off cleanly when used e.g. >>>>> for marking positions on stage >>>> >>>> No, gaffer tape is electrical tape. Gaffers are stage/movie/TV >>>> electricians. They rig up wiring for the lighting, etc. >>> >>> At least in the US since the latter 1970s for "gaffer tape" and >>> since the 1960s for "electrical tape", the two are drastically >>> different: >>> >>> - electrical tape is stretchable, about 3/4" wide, and it is used >>> for wrapping bare wires to prevent short circuiting >>> >>> - gaffer tape does not stretch substantially, is about 2" wide, >>> and is used for making sure (already-insulated) cables don't >>> move around on the floor, walls, etc. >> >> Before everyone gets nasty, consider that there >> is no EXACT def of 'gaffer tape'. I've seen wide >> 'electrical tape' marketed as such, also various >> kinds of paper and cloth based tapes over the >> years. >> >> So don't get into the whole "How many angels on >> the head of a pin" kind of religion here. Brands, >> brand-names, commerce ... defs VARY and DRIFT. > > True - but gaffer tape tends to be cloth-backed (visible fibers), > while "electrical tape" (at least in these parts) is a simple strip > of adhesive-coated plastic. > > The chief differences between gaffer tape and duct tape are that > gaffer tape is usually black while duct tape is silver, and the > adhesive in gaffer tape doesn't leave as much nasty residue. The nasty residue bit can be important ! Note that even the term "electrical tape" is not definitive. Most common now is the PVC stuff with a sticky back. However before that it was very much a 'rubber' tape with a little stickiness (you can still buy it) and for inside work there was an even earlier stuff called 'friction tape' which was very lightly tacky cloth (which I also think you can still get) that could handle more heat. According to Amazon, THIS is "gaffer tape" : https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000QC0XZO/?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_plhdr=t&aaxitk=0ca390723e5c902307a9301a0ee7d132&hsa_cr_id=7503656610801&qid=1767829081&sr=1-1-9e67e56a-6f64-441f-a281-df67fc737124&ref_=sbx_s_sparkle_sbtcd_asin_0_img&pd_rd_w=5HvXD&content-id=amzn1.sym.9f2b2b9e-47e9-4764-a4dc-2be2f6fca36d%3Aamzn1.sym.9f2b2b9e-47e9-4764-a4dc-2be2f6fca36d&pf_rd_p=9f2b2b9e-47e9-4764-a4dc-2be2f6fca36d&pf_rd_r=Q4240N1Z3GKPKKEVPWBD&pd_rd_wg=or9jJ&pd_rd_r=e8f36554-8e7e-41a4-9793-4e75b13c652d Described as : 11-mil thick black matte cloth gaffer's tape with rubber adhesive conforms well to irregular surfaces for labeling, and temporary securing and sealing applications Adhesive removes cleanly from most surfaces Tape resists abrasion and can be torn by hand Can be used outdoors and withstands temperatures from 50 to 200 degrees F Which seems similar to duck/duct tape but with a less nasty adhesive.
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| From | Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood <phaywood@alphalink.com.au> |
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| Date | 2026-01-09 12:13 +1100 |
| Subject | Re: DUC[KT] tape |
| Message-ID | <aa163m-582.ln1@otis.foo> |
| In reply to | #80712 |
Groovy hepcat c186282 was jivin' in comp.os.linux.misc on Thu, 8 Jan
2026 10:45 am. It's a cool scene! Dig it.
> On 1/7/26 01:33, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> On 2026-01-07, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/6/26 21:14, Robert Riches wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2026-01-05, Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood <phaywood@alphalink.com.au>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Groovy hepcat Andy Burns was jivin' in comp.os.linux.misc on Sat,
>>>>> 3 Jan 2026 01:56 am. It's a cool scene! Dig it.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Lars Poulsen wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My nieces in Denmark call it Gaffer tape.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> gaffer tape is different, designed to come off cleanly when used
>>>>>> e.g. for marking positions on stage
>>>>>
>>>>> No, gaffer tape is electrical tape. Gaffers are stage/movie/TV
>>>>> electricians. They rig up wiring for the lighting, etc.
>>>>
>>>> At least in the US since the latter 1970s for "gaffer tape" and
>>>> since the 1960s for "electrical tape", the two are drastically
>>>> different:
>>>>
>>>> - electrical tape is stretchable, about 3/4" wide, and it is used
>>>> for wrapping bare wires to prevent short circuiting
>>>>
>>>> - gaffer tape does not stretch substantially, is about 2" wide,
>>>> and is used for making sure (already-insulated) cables don't
>>>> move around on the floor, walls, etc.
>>>
>>> Before everyone gets nasty, consider that there
>>> is no EXACT def of 'gaffer tape'. I've seen wide
>>> 'electrical tape' marketed as such, also various
>>> kinds of paper and cloth based tapes over the
>>> years.
>>>
>>> So don't get into the whole "How many angels on
>>> the head of a pin" kind of religion here. Brands,
>>> brand-names, commerce ... defs VARY and DRIFT.
Relax! Noone's getting nasty. We're just having a friendly discussion.
It's all good.
>> True - but gaffer tape tends to be cloth-backed (visible fibers),
>> while "electrical tape" (at least in these parts) is a simple strip
>> of adhesive-coated plastic.
>>
>> The chief differences between gaffer tape and duct tape are that
>> gaffer tape is usually black while duct tape is silver, and the
>> adhesive in gaffer tape doesn't leave as much nasty residue.
>
>
> The nasty residue bit can be important !
>
> Note that even the term "electrical tape" is not
> definitive.
That's true. It's more of a generic term for a range of different
tapes.
> Most common now is the PVC stuff with
> a sticky back. However before that it was very
> much a 'rubber' tape with a little stickiness (you
> can still buy it) and for inside work there was
> an even earlier stuff called 'friction tape' which
> was very lightly tacky cloth (which I also think
> you can still get) that could handle more heat.
>
> According to Amazon, THIS is "gaffer tape" :
>
>
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000QC0XZO/?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_plhdr=t&aaxitk=0ca390723e5c902307a9301a0ee7d132&hsa_cr_id=7503656610801&qid=1767829081&sr=1-1-9e67e56a-6f64-441f-a281-df67fc737124&ref_=sbx_s_sparkle_sbtcd_asin_0_img&pd_rd_w=5HvXD&content-id=amzn1.sym.9f2b2b9e-47e9-4764-a4dc-2be2f6fca36d%3Aamzn1.sym.9f2b2b9e-47e9-4764-a4dc-2be2f6fca36d&pf_rd_p=9f2b2b9e-47e9-4764-a4dc-2be2f6fca36d&pf_rd_r=Q4240N1Z3GKPKKEVPWBD&pd_rd_wg=or9jJ&pd_rd_r=e8f36554-8e7e-41a4-9793-4e75b13c652d
>
> Described as :
>
> 11-mil thick black matte cloth gaffer's tape with rubber adhesive
> conforms well to irregular surfaces for labeling, and temporary
> securing and sealing applications
>
> Adhesive removes cleanly from most surfaces
>
> Tape resists abrasion and can be torn by hand
>
> Can be used outdoors and withstands temperatures from 50 to
> 200 degrees F
>
> Which seems similar to duck/duct tape but with a
> less nasty adhesive.
Interesting!
But maybe the term means different things in different regions. In
these parts "gaffer tape" generally refers to PVC electricians' tape
with fairly strong(ish) adhesion. But I've often bought black cloth
tape similar to... y'know.. that other type of tape: the waddling &
quacking kind. ;) This has strong adhesion, so is not easily removed. I
can understand, and have no problem, if people call that gaffer tape.
Though it's not marketed as that here (as far as I've seen), it
certainly falls into the category of electricians' tape.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-10 02:52 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: DUC[KT] tape |
| Message-ID | <msdt6sFajq7U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #80807 |
On Fri, 09 Jan 2026 12:13:14 +1100, Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood wrote: > But maybe the term means different things in different regions. In > these parts "gaffer tape" generally refers to PVC electricians' tape > with fairly strong(ish) adhesion. But I've often bought black cloth tape > similar to... y'know.. that other type of tape: the waddling & quacking > kind. This has strong adhesion, so is not easily removed. I can > understand, and have no problem, if people call that gaffer tape. > Though it's not marketed as that here (as far as I've seen), it > certainly falls into the category of electricians' tape. To further muddy the water when I was a kid we used friction tape for wire splices and many other things. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friction_tape https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/electrical-construction-maintenance-us/ products/electrical-tapes/vinyl-electrical-tape/electrical-tape-history/ That matches my memories that Scotch 33 wasn't commonly used until the '60s. Then there's rubber tape. https://www.musson.com/rubber-tape.html Like it says for large motors and transformers we used ring tongue crimped on connectors screwed together by short 8-32 screws and nuts, wrapped with rubber tape to make a nice, smooth ball, and then a layer of PVC for abrasion resistance. PVC alone doesn't conform too well to that sort of splice.
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-01-10 10:20 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: DUC[KT] tape |
| Message-ID | <msenevFenu3U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #80835 |
rbowman wrote: > To further muddy the water when I was a kid we used friction tape for wire > splices and many other things. And you can see how tapes like that developed over time to create e.g. HPHT (hot pink hockey stick tape), or cohesive bandages (buy as 3M coban if you're human, or as 3M vetwrap if you're a cheapskate).
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-10 20:07 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: DUC[KT] tape |
| Message-ID | <msfpr9Fk2d8U6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #80839 |
On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 10:20:16 +0000, Andy Burns wrote: > rbowman wrote: > >> To further muddy the water when I was a kid we used friction tape for >> wire splices and many other things. > And you can see how tapes like that developed over time to create e.g. > HPHT (hot pink hockey stick tape), or cohesive bandages (buy as 3M coban > if you're human, or as 3M vetwrap if you're a cheapskate). Yeah, I got a wad of that after the blood draw for my annual physical a couple of weeks ago. Handy stuff. For a lot of things it works better than the old Ace bandages that tried to unravel while you were putting the clips on.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-01-10 20:45 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: DUC[KT] tape |
| Message-ID | <546dnQn9vYk-nf70nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #80856 |
On 1/10/26 15:07, rbowman wrote: > On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 10:20:16 +0000, Andy Burns wrote: > >> rbowman wrote: >> >>> To further muddy the water when I was a kid we used friction tape for >>> wire splices and many other things. >> And you can see how tapes like that developed over time to create e.g. >> HPHT (hot pink hockey stick tape), or cohesive bandages (buy as 3M coban >> if you're human, or as 3M vetwrap if you're a cheapskate). > > Yeah, I got a wad of that after the blood draw for my annual physical a > couple of weeks ago. Handy stuff. For a lot of things it works better than > the old Ace bandages that tried to unravel while you were putting the > clips on. The new stuff that's very slightly self-sticky IS a hell of a lot better than the original stretch bandage fer sure. However don't use it as electrical tape :-) In the 20s/30s/40s the cloth "friction tape" was widely used for indoor wiring. Of course the wires were also 'insulated' by a cloth-weave coating, not PVC or rubber. Rubber was for outdoor wiring. Friction tape is still sometimes used to bundle wires, not so much as an insulator. Most forget that flexible plastics were mostly the product of the WW2 defense industry. For example polyethylene was the godsend for radar-frequency antenna cables. About the only plastic anyone saw before the war was Bakelite, but that's a rigid thermoset. "Rubber" came from TREES ... it wasn't until the war they came up with and used synthetic rubber in the mix because there wasn't enough of the natural stuff. Well, there was one other 'plastic' - nitrocellulose. Was rumored to EXPLODE sometimes and there's a reason for the term "film/projector VAULT". But hey ... the plastics industry had one immediate civvie success - "nylons" :-)
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-11 06:02 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: DUC[KT] tape |
| Message-ID | <msgso9Fph4uU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #80869 |
On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 20:45:00 -0500, c186282 wrote: > "Rubber" came > from TREES ... it wasn't until the war they came up with and used > synthetic rubber in the mix because there wasn't enough of the > natural stuff. https://sternrubber.com/blog/rubber-wizard-menlo-park/ The Ft. Meyers museum is worth a visit. From there it's a short drive to Estero to bone up on the hollow earth theory. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koreshan_Unity The Waco whackjob wasn't the first Koresh.
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