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Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?

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  Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2021-08-30 18:22 -0500
    Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2021-08-31 00:14 +0000
    Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-08-30 17:57 -0700
    Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-31 04:39 +0100
      Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2021-08-31 15:19 +0200
        Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-31 14:34 +0100
          Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2021-08-31 16:16 +0200
            Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-31 15:47 +0100
              Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2021-08-31 18:54 +0200
                Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-31 17:59 +0100
                Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-08-31 11:52 -0700
                Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-09-01 04:21 +0000
    Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-08-31 01:07 -0400
      Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2021-08-31 11:01 +0200
        Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-08-31 11:01 -0400
          Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2021-09-01 11:07 +0200
            Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-09-01 07:55 -0400
              Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-01 13:10 +0100
                Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-01 23:58 -0400
                  Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-09-02 13:04 +0200
                    Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-03 01:56 -0400
                      Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2021-09-03 08:44 +0200
                        Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-09-03 11:22 +0200
                          Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-04 00:31 -0400
                            Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2021-09-04 10:56 +0200
                            Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2021-09-04 11:44 +0200
                            Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-09-04 08:04 -0700
                              OT Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Rinaldi <rm@nunya.inv> - 2021-09-04 10:28 -0500
                                Re: OT Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-09-04 08:41 -0700
                                  Re: OT Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-04 18:33 +0100
                                  Re: OT Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-05 00:53 -0400
                                    Re: OT Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2021-09-05 08:57 +0200
                                      Re: OT Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-09-05 12:12 -0400
                                        Re: OT Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-05 20:01 -0400
                                Re: OT Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-09-04 08:42 -0700
                                Re: OT Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-09-04 08:45 -0700
                              Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-04 18:32 +0100
                        Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-09-03 19:51 -0400
                        Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-03 23:48 -0400
                          Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-04 08:44 +0100
                            Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-05 00:07 -0400
                              Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-05 08:16 +0100
                                Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-05 09:36 +0100
                                  Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-05 12:50 +0100
                                  Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-09-05 09:33 -0400
                          Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-09-04 11:22 +0200
                            Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2021-09-04 11:46 +0200
                          Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-09-04 17:47 +0000
                            Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-05 09:35 +0100
                              Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-05 19:34 -0400
                                Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-09-06 02:14 +0200
                                Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-06 08:43 +0100
                                Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-06 08:45 +0100
                                  Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? SevenOverSix <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-07 01:54 -0400
                                    Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-07 08:44 +0100
                                      Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? SevenOverSix <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-08 01:36 -0400
                                        Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-08 07:46 +0100
                                          Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? SevenOverSix <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-09 01:53 -0400
                                            Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-09 07:41 +0100
                                              Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? SevenOverSix <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-10 01:52 -0400
                                        Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-08 08:46 +0100
                                          Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-08 10:57 +0100
                                            Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-08 12:12 +0100
                                              Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-08 13:06 +0100
                                                Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-08 13:29 +0100
                                            Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2021-09-08 14:17 +0300
                                          Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? SevenOverSix <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-09 02:04 -0400
                                            Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-09 07:46 +0100
                                              Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? SevenOverSix <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-10 02:51 -0400
                                            Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-10 09:49 +0100
                                          Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? SevenOverSix <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-11 02:03 -0400
                                            Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-11 07:19 +0100
                                            Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-11 08:32 +0100
                                              Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? SevenOverSix <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-12 00:17 -0400
                                                Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-12 09:09 +0100
                                                  Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? SevenOverSix <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-12 23:43 -0400
                                                Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-12 11:33 +0100
                              Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2021-09-06 11:08 +0300
                                Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-06 09:24 +0100
                                  Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2021-09-06 12:38 +0300
                                    Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-06 12:21 +0100
                                      Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? SevenOverSix <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-07 02:20 -0400
                                  Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-06 11:39 +0100
                                    Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-06 12:22 +0100
                Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2021-09-02 09:29 +0200
                  Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-02 09:48 +0100
            Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-01 23:32 -0400
              Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2021-09-02 09:30 +0200
                Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-03 00:04 -0400
              Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-09-04 17:58 +0000
                Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-05 00:22 -0400
    Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2021-08-31 10:59 +0200
      Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-31 10:46 +0100
        Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-31 10:50 +0100
          Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-31 10:57 +0100
        Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2021-09-01 11:09 +0200
          Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-01 10:42 +0100
            Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-09-01 13:47 +0200
              Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-09-04 18:09 +0000
    Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-08-31 06:04 -0400
      Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-31 11:42 +0100
    Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2021-09-14 22:42 -0400
      Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-09-16 08:02 +0000

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#33009 — Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?

From	ant@zimage.comANT (Ant)
Date	2021-08-30 18:22 -0500
Subject	Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?
Message-ID	<m9Sdna3loJ6g9bD8nZ2dnUU7-e1QAAAA@earthlink.com>

I'll be mainly doing basic stuff like web browsing, e-mails, newsgroups,
downloads, listening to audio, watching videos, simple SSH2 server, etc.
I currently run updated Debian Jessie v8's KDE which is fine but it
doesn't get updates for years so it's time to move on for a clean/new
Linux installation. Will getting Bullseye v11 be OK?

Setup details:

Intel Core 2 Q8200 (quad-core; default clock speeds; Socket 775 LGA;
Yorkfield) with a Scythe Andy Master 120mm CPU cooler (SCASM-1000),
Antec Sonata Proto mid tower ATX case, MSI P43 NEO3-F (MSI-7514)
motherboard (latest BIOS), two 1 GB of Crucial RAM (Samsung DDR2 800
(PC2-6400; 400 MHz), EVGA NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT PCIE video card (512 MB
of VRAM), onboard RealTek RTL8168C(P)/8111C(P) PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet
and Intel High Digital Audio (HDA), 600 watts Sea Sonic S12 PSU, ASUS TV
Tuner Card 880 NTSC (cx23880), Pioneer CD/DVD Burner Black SATA Model
DVR-218LBK LabelFlash Support, 3.5" floppy disk drive, Corsair Force
Series F115 Solid-State Disk (SSD) (115 GB; CSSD-F115GB2-BRKT-A), two
internal 3.5" SATA hard disk drives (HDDs) [Seagate ST3320620AS 320 GB
and Western Digital Purple Surveillance 2 TB (6 Gbs; 50 MB cache; WDC
WD20PURX-64P6ZY0)], Sabrent USB2+memory card reader front panel, and an
Intel InBusiness 10/100 (82559) NIC (not connected). Running 64-bit
Debian (Linux; oldoldstable v8/Jessie; kernel v3.16... x86_64) and
updated 64-bit Windows 7 HPE SP1 (installed on 10/22/2016).

Connected to an old (Y2K) Belkin Omni Cube (2-port; PS/2 and VGA) KVM to
share a 23.6" 16:9 1920x1080 pixels ASUS VS247H-P monitor (LED; 2 ms,
9/2014, etc.), a Dell 104-key PS/2 keyboard, and a three-buttons PS/2
optical Logitech mouse.

Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
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#33010

From	Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid>
Date	2021-08-31 00:14 +0000
Message-ID	<20210830201218@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to	#33009

On 2021-08-30, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> I'll be mainly doing basic stuff like web browsing, e-mails, newsgroups,
> downloads, listening to audio, watching videos, simple SSH2 server, etc.
> I currently run updated Debian Jessie v8's KDE which is fine but it
> doesn't get updates for years so it's time to move on for a clean/new
> Linux installation. Will getting Bullseye v11 be OK?

I'm running Lubuntu 18.04 on a 2004-vintage Centrino laptop, and Debian 11
with LXDE on an Asus Eee netbook from 2009. These are 32-bit 2GB systems
with small SSDs installed. They're not speed demons but work fine. Don't
expect to play HD video but SD works OK. (Though maybe with your video
card you'll have better results.) I expect you'll do all right running
Debian 11 on your setup. Some additional memory wouldn't be a bad idea.

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#33011

From	Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com>
Date	2021-08-30 17:57 -0700
Message-ID	<sgjuqr$99t$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#33009

On 8/30/21 16:22, Ant wrote:
> I'll be mainly doing basic stuff like web browsing, e-mails, newsgroups,
> downloads, listening to audio, watching videos, simple SSH2 server, etc.
> I currently run updated Debian Jessie v8's KDE which is fine but it
> doesn't get updates for years so it's time to move on for a clean/new
> Linux installation. Will getting Bullseye v11 be OK?

	If you switch to PCLinuxOS 64 you will have plenty of updates nearly 
every week.  Rolling releases like PCL are kept much more
up-to-date than Outfits like Debian that only publish wnen prepared
to deal with the problems a new release creates for so many people

> 
> Setup details:
> 
> Intel Core 2 Q8200 (quad-core; default clock speeds; Socket 775 LGA;
> Yorkfield) with a Scythe Andy Master 120mm CPU cooler (SCASM-1000),
> Antec Sonata Proto mid tower ATX case, MSI P43 NEO3-F (MSI-7514)
> motherboard (latest BIOS), two 1 GB of Crucial RAM (Samsung DDR2 800
> (PC2-6400; 400 MHz), EVGA NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT PCIE video card (512 MB
> of VRAM), onboard RealTek RTL8168C(P)/8111C(P) PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet
> and Intel High Digital Audio (HDA), 600 watts Sea Sonic S12 PSU, ASUS TV
> Tuner Card 880 NTSC (cx23880), Pioneer CD/DVD Burner Black SATA Model
> DVR-218LBK LabelFlash Support, 3.5" floppy disk drive, Corsair Force
> Series F115 Solid-State Disk (SSD) (115 GB; CSSD-F115GB2-BRKT-A), two
> internal 3.5" SATA hard disk drives (HDDs) [Seagate ST3320620AS 320 GB
> and Western Digital Purple Surveillance 2 TB (6 Gbs; 50 MB cache; WDC
> WD20PURX-64P6ZY0)], Sabrent USB2+memory card reader front panel, and an
> Intel InBusiness 10/100 (82559) NIC (not connected). Running 64-bit
> Debian (Linux; oldoldstable v8/Jessie; kernel v3.16... x86_64) and
> updated 64-bit Windows 7 HPE SP1 (installed on 10/22/2016).
> 
> Connected to an old (Y2K) Belkin Omni Cube (2-port; PS/2 and VGA) KVM to
> share a 23.6" 16:9 1920x1080 pixels ASUS VS247H-P monitor (LED; 2 ms,
> 9/2014, etc.), a Dell 104-key PS/2 keyboard, and a three-buttons PS/2
> optical Logitech mouse.
> 
> Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
> 

bliss - boots & runs a Pretty Cool Linux Operating System aka pclinuxos.

keeping my used Dell Latitudes working with kernel 5.13.13 and KDE 
Frameworks 5.85.0 Qt 5.15.2 (built against 5.15.2) The xcb windowing system

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#33012

From	The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date	2021-08-31 04:39 +0100
Message-ID	<sgk8a0$k0b$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#33009

On 31/08/2021 00:22, Ant wrote:
> I'll be mainly doing basic stuff like web browsing, e-mails, newsgroups,
> downloads, listening to audio, watching videos, simple SSH2 server, etc.
> I currently run updated Debian Jessie v8's KDE which is fine but it
> doesn't get updates for years so it's time to move on for a clean/new
> Linux installation. Will getting Bullseye v11 be OK?
Try Linux Mint Mate
Verty good multimedia support. Not as dumbed as Cinnamon
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#33028

From	Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
Date	2021-08-31 15:19 +0200
Message-ID	<sgla8u$ng9$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#33012

Am 31.08.21 um 05:39 schrieb The Natural Philosopher:
> On 31/08/2021 00:22, Ant wrote:
>> I'll be mainly doing basic stuff like web browsing, e-mails, newsgroups,
>> downloads, listening to audio, watching videos, simple SSH2 server, etc.
>> I currently run updated Debian Jessie v8's KDE which is fine but it
>> doesn't get updates for years so it's time to move on for a clean/new
>> Linux installation. Will getting Bullseye v11 be OK?
> Try Linux Mint Mate
> Verty good multimedia support. Not as dumbed as Cinnamon

https://linuxmint.com/edition.php?id=290

Xfce should be even lighter on the system. Also good multimedia-support.


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#33029

From	The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date	2021-08-31 14:34 +0100
Message-ID	<sglb53$rk$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#33028

On 31/08/2021 14:19, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 31.08.21 um 05:39 schrieb The Natural Philosopher:
>> On 31/08/2021 00:22, Ant wrote:
>>> I'll be mainly doing basic stuff like web browsing, e-mails, newsgroups,
>>> downloads, listening to audio, watching videos, simple SSH2 server, etc.
>>> I currently run updated Debian Jessie v8's KDE which is fine but it
>>> doesn't get updates for years so it's time to move on for a clean/new
>>> Linux installation. Will getting Bullseye v11 be OK?
>> Try Linux Mint Mate
>> Verty good multimedia support. Not as dumbed as Cinnamon
> 
> https://linuxmint.com/edition.php?id=290
> 
> Xfce should be even lighter on the system. Also good multimedia-support.
> 
> 
Agreed, but if he can add some RAM. I feel Mate is a better "User 
Experience"

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The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to 
rule.
– H. L. Mencken, American journalist, 1880-1956

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#33030

From	Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
Date	2021-08-31 16:16 +0200
Message-ID	<sgldkp$b31$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#33029

Am 31.08.21 um 15:34 schrieb The Natural Philosopher:
> On 31/08/2021 14:19, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>> https://linuxmint.com/edition.php?id=290
>>
>> Xfce should be even lighter on the system. Also good multimedia-support.
>>
>>
> Agreed, but if he can add some RAM. I feel Mate is a better "User 
> Experience"

Really? I think that is a matter of taste. I always worked with Cinnamon
on rather powerful machines. That is as good as a Mac OS-machine. This
posting is written on a MacBook Air with a Cinnamon installed as sole OS.

-- 
De gustibus non est disputandum

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#33031

From	The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date	2021-08-31 15:47 +0100
Message-ID	<sglfdk$v0v$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#33030

On 31/08/2021 15:16, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 31.08.21 um 15:34 schrieb The Natural Philosopher:
>> On 31/08/2021 14:19, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>> https://linuxmint.com/edition.php?id=290
>>>
>>> Xfce should be even lighter on the system. Also good multimedia-support.
>>>
>>>
>> Agreed, but if he can add some RAM. I feel Mate is a better "User
>> Experience"
> 
> Really? I think that is a matter of taste. I always worked with Cinnamon
> on rather powerful machines. That is as good as a Mac OS-machine.

In my book that is not really an upward step from Windows ;-)



-- 
“Progress is precisely that which rules and regulations did not foresee,”

  – Ludwig von Mises

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#33035

From	Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
Date	2021-08-31 18:54 +0200
Message-ID	<sglmra$iev$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#33031

Am 31.08.21 um 16:47 schrieb The Natural Philosopher:
> On 31/08/2021 15:16, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>> Really? I think that is a matter of taste. I always worked with Cinnamon
>> on rather powerful machines. That is as good as a Mac OS-machine.
> 
> In my book that is not really an upward step from Windows ;-)

*Really*?!
Everything is an improvement over Windows 1X, IMHO.
MacOS is more sophisticated as far as the look is concerned but it is a
digital prison.

-- 
De gustibus non est disputandum

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#33036

From	The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date	2021-08-31 17:59 +0100
Message-ID	<sgln5d$n3f$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#33035

On 31/08/2021 17:54, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 31.08.21 um 16:47 schrieb The Natural Philosopher:
>> On 31/08/2021 15:16, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>> Really? I think that is a matter of taste. I always worked with Cinnamon
>>> on rather powerful machines. That is as good as a Mac OS-machine.
>>
>> In my book that is not really an upward step from Windows ;-)
> 
> *Really*?!
> Everything is an improvement over Windows 1X, IMHO.
> MacOS is more sophisticated as far as the look is concerned but it is a
> digital prison.
> 
> 
In a nutshell yes. My desktop is set up with a MAC look, but that's all


-- 
“It is not the truth of Marxism that explains the willingness of 
intellectuals to believe it, but the power that it confers on 
intellectuals, in their attempts to control the world. And since...it is 
futile to reason someone out of a thing that he was not reasoned into, 
we can conclude that Marxism owes its remarkable power to survive every 
criticism to the fact that it is not a truth-directed but a 
power-directed system of thought.”
Sir Roger Scruton

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#33039

From	Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com>
Date	2021-08-31 11:52 -0700
Message-ID	<sgltol$7de$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#33035

On 8/31/21 09:54, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 31.08.21 um 16:47 schrieb The Natural Philosopher:
>> On 31/08/2021 15:16, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>> Really? I think that is a matter of taste. I always worked with Cinnamon
>>> on rather powerful machines. That is as good as a Mac OS-machine.
>>
>> In my book that is not really an upward step from Windows ;-)
> 
> *Really*?!
> Everything is an improvement over Windows 1X, IMHO.
> MacOS is more sophisticated as far as the look is concerned but it is a
> digital prison.

	And nothing is snappier than AmigaOS on a 68000 processor with 8 
Megabytes of memory and a 100 Megabyte hard drive.  But I will go with
Linux instead of reviving my beloved A2000b with 68060 and 4 Gigabyte
hard drive and 64 MB of ram.  Memory protection is better than quick
system response and of course we have that with a few Gigabytes of ram
and many GBs of SSD.

bliss - boots & runs a Pretty Cool Linux Operating System aka pclinuxos.


-- 
bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com

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#33046

From	Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date	2021-09-01 04:21 +0000
Message-ID	<sgmv3c1jto@news1.newsguy.com>
In reply to	#33035

On 2021-08-31, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:

> Am 31.08.21 um 16:47 schrieb The Natural Philosopher:
>
>> On 31/08/2021 15:16, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>
>>> Really? I think that is a matter of taste. I always worked with Cinnamon
>>> on rather powerful machines. That is as good as a Mac OS-machine.
>> 
>> In my book that is not really an upward step from Windows ;-)
>
> *Really*?!
> Everything is an improvement over Windows 1X, IMHO.
> MacOS is more sophisticated as far as the look is concerned but it is a
> digital prison.

On the rare occasions that I use my wife's Mac, I feel that
I'm not so much using it as it is using me.  See my .sig...

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Microsoft is a dictatorship.
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  Apple is a cult.
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  Linux is anarchy.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  Pick your poison.

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#33013

From	SixOverFive <hae274c.net>
Date	2021-08-31 01:07 -0400
Message-ID	<XbKdnfkJRtGMJLD8nZ2dnUU7-b_NnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to	#33009

Hell YES.

Debian is really NOT a "heavy" OS. Indeed it
can be super-Spartan. Look at Slitaz ....
measures in MEGAbytes.

Deb + LXDE or OpenBox will run quite well on
even decade+ year old hardware.

No, you can't run the latest video games or
live-process video - but for 95% of common
purposes it'll be GREAT.

This missive is from an N200-based subnotebook,
which is about the speed/capacity of a decade+
old Pentium-3 with 32gb. MX Linux with LXDE
(XFCE is in reserve). Deb can be made quite
nice with even less than MX includes. You can
try the 'X' part of MX .. antiX ... but the
GUI *is* clunkier.

After going through ALL the distros, I recommend
vanilla Deb with a light GUI over all others.
Efficient, no BS. Add what you want and skip
the rest. Learn the apt-get --no-include-recommends
tricks though  :-)

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#33019

From	Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us>
Date	2021-08-31 11:01 +0200
Message-ID	<sgkr5e$flq$1@news1.tnib.de>
In reply to	#33013

SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote:
>Learn the apt-get --no-include-recommends
>tricks though 

|[2/5046]mh@drop:~ $ cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70RecommendsSuggests 
|APT {
|  Install-Recommends "false";
|  Install-Suggests "false";
|};
|
|[3/5047]mh@drop:~ $ 

Greetings
Marc
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Mannheim, Germany  |     Beginning of Wisdom "     | 
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#33032

From	SixOverFive <hae274c.net>
Date	2021-08-31 11:01 -0400
Message-ID	<y6udncZ4_8j12bP8nZ2dnUU7-IHNnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to	#33019

On 08/31/2021 05:01 AM, Marc Haber wrote:
 > SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote:
 >> Learn the apt-get --no-include-recommends
 >> tricks though
 >
 > |[2/5046]mh@drop:~ $ cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70RecommendsSuggests
 > |APT {
 > |  Install-Recommends "false";
 > |  Install-Suggests "false";
 > |};
 > |
 > |[3/5047]mh@drop:~ $
 >
 > Greetings
 > Marc
 >

   That'll work - but usually I like to decide on
   a case-by-case basis. However someone using VERY
   limited old hardware might want to set those as
   defaults. Often very innocent looking programs
   drag in a HUGE amount of crap that could overwhelm
   an old box or require breaking the install process
   in the middle to prevent it ... which isn't always
   the best thing.

   In the Debiverse, Synaptic is your best friend. It'll
   clearly list all the "helper" software your app wants
   to drag in (doesn't seem to clarify WHAT is junk and
   what is absolutely required though).

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#33049

From	Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us>
Date	2021-09-01 11:07 +0200
Message-ID	<sgnft4$bso$1@news1.tnib.de>
In reply to	#33032

SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote:
>On 08/31/2021 05:01 AM, Marc Haber wrote:
> > SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote:
> >> Learn the apt-get --no-include-recommends
> >> tricks though
> >
> > |[2/5046]mh@drop:~ $ cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70RecommendsSuggests
> > |APT {
> > |  Install-Recommends "false";
> > |  Install-Suggests "false";
> > |};
> > |
> > |[3/5047]mh@drop:~ $
> >
> > Greetings
> > Marc
> >
>
>   That'll work - but usually I like to decide on
>   a case-by-case basis.

I think you can override the settings if you want recommends. ALso,
apt says which recommended / suggested package it doesn install.

I find it dangerous to have the "give me the full thing" as default,
it's too easy to omit the option once.

Also debfoster does a pretty good job in keeping the system small.

> However someone using VERY
>   limited old hardware might want to set those as
>   defaults.

I am a professional server jockey and all my Debian installs have
these set. Especially in containerized environments you want to be as
small as possible.

>   In the Debiverse, Synaptic is your best friend.

I disagree even for desktop machines.

Greetings
Marc
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#33054

From	Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net>
Date	2021-09-01 07:55 -0400
Message-ID	<87mtowtsrp.fsf@usenet.ankman.de>
In reply to	#33049

On Wed, 01 Sep 2021 11:07:48 +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
>
> SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote:
>
>>   In the Debiverse, Synaptic is your best friend.
>
> I disagree even for desktop machines.

Agreed. aptitude or apt-get rules the Debian universe. No need for a GUI.
-- 
Andreas

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#33055

From	The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date	2021-09-01 13:10 +0100
Message-ID	<sgnqjj$kab$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#33054

On 01/09/2021 12:55, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> On Wed, 01 Sep 2021 11:07:48 +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
>>
>> SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote:
>>
>>>    In the Debiverse, Synaptic is your best friend.
>>
>> I disagree even for desktop machines.
> 
> Agreed. aptitude or apt-get rules the Debian universe. No need for a GUI.
> 
No *need*, but many people migrating from Windows feel more 
comfortable...in a more or less 100% GUI for user level and basic code 
installation.

Synaptic is simply a GUI face on aptitude....



-- 
Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have 
guns, why should we let them have ideas?

Josef Stalin

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#33059

From	SixOverFive <hae274c.net>
Date	2021-09-01 23:58 -0400
Message-ID	<TsCdnT7fL8ZJ1q38nZ2dnUU7-K3NnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to	#33055

On 9/1/21 8:10 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 01/09/2021 12:55, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>> On Wed, 01 Sep 2021 11:07:48 +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
>>>
>>> SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>    In the Debiverse, Synaptic is your best friend.
>>>
>>> I disagree even for desktop machines.
>>
>> Agreed. aptitude or apt-get rules the Debian universe. No need for a GUI.
>>
> No *need*, but many people migrating from Windows feel more 
> comfortable...in a more or less 100% GUI for user level and basic code 
> installation.e
> 
> Synaptic is simply a GUI face on aptitude....

   Correct.

   The NeverGUI people kind of worry me these days.

   I smell "job security", not anything relating to
   vital function. Synaptic bundles access to several
   install/update aspects all under one easy roof.
   Sure, you CAN edit all those apt config/repo files
   one at time with nano (vi if you're a fanatic) but
   WHY ???

   I *disable* vi ... replace it with a symlink to nano
   and (horrors !) I actually edit sudoers WITHOUT using
   visudo !!! Geez, may as well still use edlin to write
   documents in Winders. "Electric Pencil" - HERESY !

   GUIs are hardly "experimental" these days. GUI interfaces
   can VASTLY speed up what you do. Sometimes you DO still
   have to go command-line for that Nth-degree detail and
   need to know how to do that, but mostly ....

   EVERY server I've installed in the last decade has
   at least OpenBox or IceWM, usually LXDE. No more
   white-on-black terminals ONLY anymore ! This subnote
   I'm using installed with XFCE, but I just couldn't turn
   off enough of the "features" to avoid horrors - so now
   it's LXDE. Does it all, no BS.

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#33067

From	"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date	2021-09-02 13:04 +0200
Message-ID	<0mn60ixqom.ln2@minas-tirith.valinor>
In reply to	#33059

On 02/09/2021 05.58, SixOverFive wrote:

...

>   I *disable* vi ... replace it with a symlink to nano
>   and (horrors !) I actually edit sudoers WITHOUT using
>   visudo !!! Geez, may as well still use edlin to write
>   documents in Winders. "Electric Pencil" - HERESY !

This is the wrong way to do it.

Just define the environment var "EDITOR"

EDITOR=/usr/bin/nano

And then visudo will use nano transparently. And many other tools that
use an editor.




-- 
Cheers,
       Carlos E.R.

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