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| Started by | Farley Flud <fflud@gnu.rocks> |
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| First post | 2025-09-13 12:57 +0000 |
| Last post | 2025-09-14 13:18 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 216 — 32 participants |
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What Thinks Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Farley Flud <fflud@gnu.rocks> - 2025-09-13 12:57 +0000
Re: What Thinks Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Farley Flud <fflud@gnu.rocks> - 2025-09-13 13:23 +0000
Re: What Thinks Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Jacek Marcin Jaworski <jaworski1978@adres.pl> - 2025-09-13 15:28 +0200
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-13 22:00 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-09-14 08:26 +1000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-13 23:04 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-14 09:01 +0100
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-14 21:17 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-15 02:13 +0200
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-09-15 00:50 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-15 12:38 +0200
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-09-15 09:52 +0200
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-15 08:19 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-09-15 10:49 +0200
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-15 09:03 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-09-15 12:04 +0200
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-15 22:29 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-09-16 08:23 +0200
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-16 08:53 +0100
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-16 12:54 +0200
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-16 20:07 +0100
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-16 21:42 +0200
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-16 22:12 +0100
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-09-17 06:52 +0200
E-mail server-side attachment deduplication (was: Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner?) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-17 12:02 +0100
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-09-17 06:52 +0200
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-15 12:44 +0200
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-15 22:35 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-16 02:09 +0200
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-16 01:12 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jaworski1978@adres.pl> - 2025-09-16 05:47 +0200
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-16 05:48 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-16 12:57 +0200
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-17 05:56 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-17 11:15 +0200
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-17 09:31 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-15 10:01 +0100
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-09-15 12:06 +0200
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-15 13:13 +0200
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-11-11 23:38 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-12 02:59 +0100
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 03:23 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-14 14:18 +0100
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-14 19:43 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-14 22:20 +0100
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-11-12 05:11 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-12 06:29 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-12 06:46 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-12 14:14 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-11-13 02:06 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-13 02:14 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-13 11:01 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-13 13:39 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-14 14:20 +0100
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-11-15 20:50 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-15 22:08 +0100
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-11-16 05:40 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-16 11:05 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-17 01:33 +0100
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-11-20 22:23 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-11-20 14:59 -0800
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-20 23:54 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-21 00:44 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-11-21 14:33 -0800
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-22 00:16 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-22 00:20 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-22 03:20 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-11-22 14:17 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-22 14:39 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-22 20:08 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? tom nossen <news@nossen.org> - 2025-11-26 22:07 +0100
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-26 21:50 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? tom nossen <news@nossen.org> - 2025-11-27 12:18 +0100
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-27 21:26 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-22 18:56 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-11-24 09:06 -0800
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-11-24 12:10 -0500
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-11-24 09:29 -0800
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-24 23:15 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-11-24 15:35 -0800
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-25 00:21 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-11-23 03:19 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-23 05:20 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-11-24 09:26 -0800
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-24 18:27 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-24 23:23 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-12-02 20:13 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-03 08:39 -0800
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-03 19:42 +0100
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-12-03 22:03 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-12-03 22:36 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-12-04 03:05 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-12-04 14:24 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-04 14:35 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-04 08:21 -0800
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-04 18:05 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-04 10:09 -0800
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-04 19:09 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-04 11:11 -0800
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-04 19:55 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-19 01:22 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-12-18 20:45 -0500
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-19 10:54 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-12-19 09:11 -0500
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-19 15:02 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-12-19 10:38 -0500
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-12-19 11:03 -0500
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-19 18:14 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-19 08:09 -0800
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-19 21:56 +0100
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-20 05:56 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-20 10:52 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-20 15:03 +0100
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-20 14:50 +0000
Ozempic (and Mounjaro, Zepbound, etc) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-20 15:04 +0000
Re: Ozempic (and Mounjaro, Zepbound, etc) chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-12-20 17:21 -0600
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-20 20:45 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Sump <sumpusent@outlook.com> - 2025-12-20 22:02 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-21 01:56 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Sump <sumpusent@outlook.com> - 2025-12-21 02:10 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-21 02:13 +0000
Re: Big Pharma (was Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-21 02:09 +0000
Re: Big Pharma (was Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner?) Sump <sumpusent@outlook.com> - 2025-12-21 02:38 +0000
Re: Big Pharma (was Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 05:00 +0000
Re: Big Pharma (was Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-21 10:57 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 04:47 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 04:43 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-20 15:01 +0100
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-20 14:47 +0000
Re: Marxist Healthcare( was Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-21 02:11 +0000
Re: Marxist Healthcare( was Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 04:34 +0000
Re: Marxist Healthcare( was Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner?) Bob Tennent <rdtennent@tennent.ca> - 2025-12-22 02:17 +0000
Re: Marxist Healthcare( was Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-22 04:43 +0000
Re: Marxist Healthcare( was Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner?) Bob Tennent <rdtennent@tennent.ca> - 2025-12-22 15:53 +0000
Re: Marxist Healthcare( was Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner?) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-22 01:54 -0500
Re: Marxist Healthcare( was Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner?) Bob Tennent <rdtennent@tennent.ca> - 2025-12-22 15:57 +0000
Re: Marxist Healthcare( was Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner?) Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-22 08:49 -0800
Re: Marxist Healthcare( was Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-22 19:16 +0000
Re: Marxist Healthcare (was Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-22 21:24 +0000
Re: Marxist Healthcare( was Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-22 19:47 +0000
Re: Marxist Healthcare Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-23 11:02 +0000
Re: Marxist Healthcare Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-23 11:38 -0800
Re: Marxist Healthcare The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-23 20:23 +0000
Re: Marxist Healthcare Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-23 22:41 +0000
Re: Marxist Healthcare The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-24 12:23 +0000
Re: Marxist Healthcare rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-23 23:42 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-12-20 08:33 -0500
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 04:40 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-12-21 19:59 -0500
Ozempic... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-26 22:24 +0100
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-12-04 22:47 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-12-05 00:15 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-12-04 22:48 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-12-05 00:14 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-12-04 22:47 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-12-05 00:16 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-03 14:41 -0800
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-12-04 03:05 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-12-07 04:01 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-12-08 02:32 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-12-08 04:36 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-12-08 14:30 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-12-08 23:21 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 10:01 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-12-10 01:37 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-12-10 18:13 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-12-10 20:06 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-12-12 07:44 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-12 22:39 +1100
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 12:18 +0000
SYSCALL "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 14:01 +0100
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-12-10 01:37 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-20 23:01 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-21 09:58 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-11-23 03:19 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-23 05:21 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-23 19:01 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-11-23 23:23 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-23 23:41 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-24 00:39 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-23 23:46 -0500
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-24 15:45 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-24 20:59 +0100
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? ALB <alb@lupinedb.org> - 2025-11-25 19:38 -0500
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-26 13:35 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-26 15:12 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-26 15:10 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-16 15:14 +0100
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-16 02:56 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-11-16 05:40 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-16 15:13 +0100
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-11-20 22:23 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-21 13:05 +0100
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-21 15:35 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-11-23 03:19 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-23 05:16 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-11-23 23:23 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-24 00:33 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-11-23 03:19 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-23 22:05 +0100
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-24 02:24 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-14 00:04 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jaworski1978@adres.pl> - 2025-09-14 06:34 +0200
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jaworski1978@adres.pl> - 2025-09-14 06:48 +0200
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-14 06:37 +0000
Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-09-14 08:00 -0500
Re: What Thinks Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-09-13 22:24 +0000
Re: What Thinks Thou Of LO Donate Banner? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-14 13:38 +0200
Re: What Thinks Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-09-14 12:53 +0000
Re: What Thinks Thou Of LO Donate Banner? "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-09-13 11:02 -0400
Re: What Thinks Thou Of LO Donate Banner? vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-09-13 17:02 +0000
Re: What Thinks Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-09-13 18:23 +0000
Re: What Thinks Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-09-14 00:12 +0000
Re: What Thinks Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-09-14 08:45 +0000
Re: What Thinks Thou Of LO Donate Banner? "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-09-14 05:01 -0400
Re: What Thinks Thou Of LO Donate Banner? Farley Flud <fflud@gnu.rocks> - 2025-09-14 13:18 +0000
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| From | Farley Flud <fflud@gnu.rocks> |
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| Date | 2025-09-13 12:57 +0000 |
| Subject | What Thinks Thou Of LO Donate Banner? |
| Message-ID | <1864d8e7ae136b94$115$2498948$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com> |
I started LibreOffice (LO) today and I was greeted with a banner at the top of the main window that was essentially begging for a donation ($$$$). What the fuck is this crap? I am so sorry, but FOSS is an AMATEUR movement and depends only upon the "love" of programming for the community. If a project has to beg for donations then that says a lot about its true motivations. I contribute to FOSS both through programming and other means and I NEVER expect any compensation, monetary or otherwise. I truly appreciate LO but I also do not NEED LO. If this donation bullshit continues I just may move to alternatives. It reminds me of YouTube which once was a vibrant community for sharing video information but now it has degenerated into a click-baiting money grab where the majority of posted material is garbage. But if others find the LO panhandling and begging to be as irritating as I do then there is a solution: https://ask.libreoffice.org/t/howto-disable-libreoffice-donations-banner/63169/6 Once GNU/Linux/FOSS starts to depend more and more on external funding then the end of it all is very near. -- Gentoo: the only way GNU/Linux should be.
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| From | Farley Flud <fflud@gnu.rocks> |
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| Date | 2025-09-13 13:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <1864da4fc9d7769a$2025$2557511$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com> |
| In reply to | #74027 |
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 12:57:24 +0000, Farley Flud wrote: > > But if others find the LO panhandling and begging to be > as irritating as I do then there is a solution: > > https://ask.libreoffice.org/t/howto-disable-libreoffice-donations-banner/63169/6 > Here is much quicker, and hopefully permanent, solution: https://www.reddit.com/r/libreoffice/comments/134d6g7/how_to_disable_blue_popup_when_launching/ -- Gentoo/LFS: if you ain't there then you ain't anywhere.
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| From | Jacek Marcin Jaworski <jaworski1978@adres.pl> |
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| Date | 2025-09-13 15:28 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <mil9s8Fq9poU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #74027 |
W dniu 13.09.2025 o 14:57, Farley Flud pisze: > I started LibreOffice (LO) today and I was greeted with a banner > at the top of the main window that was essentially begging > for a donation ($$$$). > > What the fuck is this crap? > > I am so sorry, but FOSS is an AMATEUR movement and depends > only upon the "love" of programming for the community. You are saying like somebody watching World from the sky! Look at the statistics Linux Kernel v6.1: <https://lwn.net/Articles/915435/> In tab. "Most active 6.1 employers" i col. "By lines changed", there is corpo "(None)" - these are probably programmers not associated with any corpo. They contribute only 2.8% LOC, rest is contribute by large corpos aroud the World. Individual programmers start free and open software movement, but now it is pure controlled by huge corpos. -- Have a nice day! Jacek Marcin Jaworski, Pruszcz Gd., woj. Pomorskie, PL🇵🇱, EU🇪🇺; tel.: +48-609-170-742, najlepiej w godz.: 5:00-5:55 lub 16:00-16:55; <jaworski1978@adres.pl>, gpg: EBFD1A464130993FBBC230FE221740E87CE10580; Domowa s. WWW (WYSZUKIWARKI JĄ POMIJAJĄ!!!): <https://energokod.pl>; Mini Netykieta: <https://energokod.pl/MiniNetykieta.html>; Mailowa Samoobrona: <https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/pl>.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-09-13 22:00 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? |
| Message-ID | <10a4ph3$obcm$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #74031 |
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 15:28:40 +0200, Jacek Marcin Jaworski wrote: > Individual programmers start free and open software > movement, but now it is pure controlled by huge corpos. Once they contribute the code, they no longer “control” it.
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| From | not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) |
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| Date | 2025-09-14 08:26 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? |
| Message-ID | <68c5ef9f@news.ausics.net> |
| In reply to | #74063 |
In comp.os.linux.misc Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 15:28:40 +0200, Jacek Marcin Jaworski wrote: >> Individual programmers start free and open software >> movement, but now it is pure controlled by huge corpos. > > Once they contribute the code, they no longer "control" it. Look at the last table which is supposed to indicate the companies contributing to maintenance - which is effectively control over the code others contribute. It's still mainly "huge corps". But it's interesting that "Linux Foundation" makes its only appearance here. I wonder where LWN got the employer data from? -- __ __ #_ < |\| |< _#
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-09-13 23:04 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? |
| Message-ID | <10a4t9q$pjd5$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #74071 |
On 14 Sep 2025 08:26:39 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: > In comp.os.linux.misc Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >> >> On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 15:28:40 +0200, Jacek Marcin Jaworski wrote: >>> >>> Individual programmers start free and open software movement, but now >>> it is pure controlled by huge corpos. >> >> Once they contribute the code, they no longer "control" it. > > Look at the last table which is supposed to indicate the companies > contributing to maintenance - which is effectively control over the code > others contribute. Once the code is published, it is free for others to use--or not to use-- however they see fit. They have no “control” over it.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-09-14 09:01 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? |
| Message-ID | <10a5sou$1360o$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #74071 |
On 13/09/2025 23:26, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: > Look at the last table which is supposed to indicate the companies > contributing to maintenance - which is effectively control over the > code others contribute. It's still mainly "huge corps" Who else is interested in an alternative and free standard to Microsoft Office? If you want to disseminate a finished document, you do it as a PDF. Only documents that require much evolution and editing are circulated as 'source'. Only big companies do that. In terms of formatted documents anyway. Let's not introduce plain text source code. -- New Socialism consists essentially in being seen to have your heart in the right place whilst your head is in the clouds and your hand is in someone else's pocket.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-09-14 21:17 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? |
| Message-ID | <10a7bdi$1hdme$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #74099 |
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 09:01:34 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > Only documents that require much evolution and editing are > circulated as 'source'. Plain-text source with markup that is amenable to operations with diff(1) and patch(1), not some proprietary Office document format.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-09-15 02:13 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? |
| Message-ID | <ia2kplxk9h.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #74099 |
On 2025-09-14 10:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 13/09/2025 23:26, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >> Look at the last table which is supposed to indicate the companies >> contributing to maintenance - which is effectively control over the >> code others contribute. It's still mainly "huge corps" > > Who else is interested in an alternative and free standard to Microsoft > Office? > If you want to disseminate a finished document, you do it as a PDF. > Only documents that require much evolution and editing are circulated as > 'source'. > Only big companies do that. > In terms of formatted documents anyway. Let's not introduce plain text > source code. In the 2000 we were sharing .doc files at Lucent, via exchange email. The IT people did not like it, because the size of mail folders exploded and the servers could barely cope. The docs were sent to multiple recipients. And each reply saying "got it" resent the same documents back and forth multiplied many times. It was crazy. IT wanted we sent links to shared folders instead. Preaching to the walls. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Tyrone <none@none.none> |
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| Date | 2025-09-15 00:50 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? |
| Message-ID | <5XCdnV9UFZon_1r1nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@supernews.com> |
| In reply to | #74180 |
On Sep 14, 2025 at 8:13:38 PM EDT, ""Carlos E.R."" <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > On 2025-09-14 10:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 13/09/2025 23:26, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >>> Look at the last table which is supposed to indicate the companies >>> contributing to maintenance - which is effectively control over the >>> code others contribute. It's still mainly "huge corps" >> >> Who else is interested in an alternative and free standard to Microsoft >> Office? >> If you want to disseminate a finished document, you do it as a PDF. >> Only documents that require much evolution and editing are circulated as >> 'source'. >> Only big companies do that. >> In terms of formatted documents anyway. Let's not introduce plain text >> source code. > > In the 2000 we were sharing .doc files at Lucent, via exchange email. > The IT people did not like it, because the size of mail folders exploded > and the servers could barely cope. > > The docs were sent to multiple recipients. And each reply saying "got > it" resent the same documents back and forth multiplied many times. It > was crazy. Yeah that happens when you Reply To All AND keep the attachments in the Reply To All. Just reply To Sender and delete the attachments. What is REALLY funny is the people who plead "Stop replying to All" and their plea was - you guessed it - sent to All. Not to mention that Exchange servers - like everything else - have come a long way in 25 years.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-09-15 12:38 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? |
| Message-ID | <0v6lplxtpp.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #74181 |
On 2025-09-15 02:50, Tyrone wrote: > On Sep 14, 2025 at 8:13:38 PM EDT, ""Carlos E.R."" <robin_listas@es.invalid> > wrote: > >> On 2025-09-14 10:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 13/09/2025 23:26, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >>>> Look at the last table which is supposed to indicate the companies >>>> contributing to maintenance - which is effectively control over the >>>> code others contribute. It's still mainly "huge corps" >>> >>> Who else is interested in an alternative and free standard to Microsoft >>> Office? >>> If you want to disseminate a finished document, you do it as a PDF. >>> Only documents that require much evolution and editing are circulated as >>> 'source'. >>> Only big companies do that. >>> In terms of formatted documents anyway. Let's not introduce plain text >>> source code. >> >> In the 2000 we were sharing .doc files at Lucent, via exchange email. >> The IT people did not like it, because the size of mail folders exploded >> and the servers could barely cope. >> >> The docs were sent to multiple recipients. And each reply saying "got >> it" resent the same documents back and forth multiplied many times. It >> was crazy. > > Yeah that happens when you Reply To All AND keep the attachments in the Reply > To All. Just reply To Sender and delete the attachments. What is REALLY funny > is the people who plead "Stop replying to All" and their plea was - you > guessed it - sent to All. It was the default action, reply to all and include attachments. > Not to mention that Exchange servers - like everything else - have come a long > way in 25 years. I hope! But I have not been there. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2025-09-15 09:52 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? |
| Message-ID | <10a8gkd$25q4b$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #74180 |
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >In the 2000 we were sharing .doc files at Lucent, via exchange email. >The IT people did not like it, because the size of mail folders exploded >and the servers could barely cope. > >The docs were sent to multiple recipients. And each reply saying "got >it" resent the same documents back and forth multiplied many times. It >was crazy. Exchange always had the reputation of being quite smart with attachments, storing them separated from the original message, and doing with the attachments what we today call deduplication. To get back to the topic (removing .advocacy troll group from the Followup-To: list in the process), that's something that unixoid mail systems still don't do, we store the messages including the non-8bit-compatible inefficiently encoded attachments without deduplication at all. Outlook might be a horrid e-mail client, and Exchange has its reputation not totally without reason, but regarding storage efficiency it was leading the market 25 years ago with our software not having closed the gap yet. Greetings Marc -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-09-15 08:19 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? |
| Message-ID | <10a8i6f$1ppb4$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #74215 |
On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 09:52:45 +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > Exchange always had the reputation of being quite smart with > attachments, storing them separated from the original message, and doing > with the attachments what we today call deduplication. How did that work, if not by encoding links in the message in a proprietary format that is tied back to a particular central proprietary email server? > ... that's something that unixoid mail systems still don't do, we > store the messages including the non-8bit-compatible inefficiently > encoded attachments without deduplication at all. How would that be handled, given that it cannot be done in proprietary Exchange style?
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2025-09-15 10:49 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? |
| Message-ID | <10a8ju3$2a3hu$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #74219 |
Lawrence D´Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 09:52:45 +0200, Marc Haber wrote: >> Exchange always had the reputation of being quite smart with >> attachments, storing them separated from the original message, and doing >> with the attachments what we today call deduplication. > >How did that work, if not by encoding links in the message in a >proprietary format that is tied back to a particular central proprietary >email server? That was transparent to the client; the client saw a regular message with a regular attachment. >> ... that's something that unixoid mail systems still don't do, we >> store the messages including the non-8bit-compatible inefficiently >> encoded attachments without deduplication at all. > >How would that be handled, given that it cannot be done in proprietary >Exchange style? I don't have the slightest idea how we would do that without breaking tradition with our spool formats. Greetings Marc -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-09-15 09:03 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? |
| Message-ID | <10a8kp1$1qcsq$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #74220 |
On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 10:49:07 +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > Lawrence D´Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >> >> On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 09:52:45 +0200, Marc Haber wrote: >>> >>> Exchange always had the reputation of being quite smart with >>> attachments, storing them separated from the original message, and >>> doing with the attachments what we today call deduplication. >> >> How did that work, if not by encoding links in the message in a >> proprietary format that is tied back to a particular central >> proprietary email server? > > That was transparent to the client; the client saw a regular message > with a regular attachment. So it would not work with messages sent to users outside the Microsoft walled garden? >>> ... that's something that unixoid mail systems still don't do, we >>> store the messages including the non-8bit-compatible inefficiently >>> encoded attachments without deduplication at all. >> >> How would that be handled, given that it cannot be done in >> proprietary Exchange style? > > I don't have the slightest idea how we would do that without > breaking tradition with our spool formats. And the need for it has, if anything, decreased now compared to then.
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2025-09-15 12:04 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? |
| Message-ID | <10a8ob6$2ftau$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #74222 |
Lawrence D´Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 10:49:07 +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > >> Lawrence D´Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 09:52:45 +0200, Marc Haber wrote: >>>> >>>> Exchange always had the reputation of being quite smart with >>>> attachments, storing them separated from the original message, and >>>> doing with the attachments what we today call deduplication. >>> >>> How did that work, if not by encoding links in the message in a >>> proprietary format that is tied back to a particular central >>> proprietary email server? >> >> That was transparent to the client; the client saw a regular message >> with a regular attachment. > >So it would not work with messages sent to users outside the Microsoft >walled garden? Why? The SMTP connector could take care of that? I am talking about storing messages in the mailboxes of local users, implemented in a time when _we_ were still using POP3 and IMAP was rocket science. >> I don't have the slightest idea how we would do that without >> breaking tradition with our spool formats. > >And the need for it has, if anything, decreased now compared to then. I think that the admins of bigger installations¹ would disagree. Greetings Marc ¹ including cloud operators -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-09-15 22:29 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? |
| Message-ID | <10aa3vi$27nkf$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #74234 |
On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 12:04:21 +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > Lawrence D´Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >> >> So it would not work with messages sent to users outside the Microsoft >> walled garden? > > Why? The SMTP connector could take care of that? I am talking about > storing messages in the mailboxes of local users, implemented in a > time when _we_ were still using POP3 and IMAP was rocket science. I don’t understand what you’re saying here. If all the users are accessing the same email server, then there is no SMTP involved. How would POP3 create a link to a previously-downloaded attachment? IMAP makes more sense, because it doesn’t need to download the entire message, so it can leave attachments on the server until they’re needed. >> And the need for it has, if anything, decreased now compared to then. > > I think that the admins of bigger installations¹ would disagree. > > ¹ including cloud operators You don’t see any of them offering such a dedupe service, do you?
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2025-09-16 08:23 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? |
| Message-ID | <10aavon$1covf$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #74285 |
Lawrence D´Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 12:04:21 +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > >> Lawrence D´Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>> >>> So it would not work with messages sent to users outside the Microsoft >>> walled garden? >> >> Why? The SMTP connector could take care of that? I am talking about >> storing messages in the mailboxes of local users, implemented in a >> time when _we_ were still using POP3 and IMAP was rocket science. > >I don’t understand what you’re saying here. If all the users are accessing >the same email server, then there is no SMTP involved. How would POP3 >create a link to a previously-downloaded attachment? I am talking of the server side. Of course the client still gets x copies. >> I think that the admins of bigger installations¹ would disagree. >> >> ¹ including cloud operators > >You don’t see any of them offering such a dedupe service, do you? I'd expect that to happen transparently and invisible for the user. Again, server side. Greetings Marc -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-09-16 08:53 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? |
| Message-ID | <wwvjz1y25r6.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk> |
| In reply to | #74304 |
Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> writes: > Lawrence D´Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 12:04:21 +0200, Marc Haber wrote: [large email services de-duplicating attachments internally] >>You don’t see any of them offering such a dedupe service, do you? > > I'd expect that to happen transparently and invisible for the user. > Again, server side. Experimentally, I put a message with a 15MB attachment through Gmail twice, the second time with the base64 encoding tampered with by introducing some extra newlines. It preserved the tampered form exactly. If it was extracting attachments for de-duplicated storage then you’d expect to see the encoding canonicalized. That doesn’t rule out that it de-duplicates the _encoded_ form of attachments (or that there’s a threshold and it’s over 15MB...), but if so then it seems like they’re leaving a lot of space savings unexploited - you get a 25% saving just by storing the binary form instead of base64. -- https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-09-16 12:54 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: What Thinkest Thou Of LO Donate Banner? |
| Message-ID | <s8snplx5uk.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #74305 |
On 2025-09-16 09:53, Richard Kettlewell wrote: > Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> writes: >> Lawrence D´Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>> On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 12:04:21 +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > > [large email services de-duplicating attachments internally] >>> You don’t see any of them offering such a dedupe service, do you? >> >> I'd expect that to happen transparently and invisible for the user. >> Again, server side. > > Experimentally, I put a message with a 15MB attachment through Gmail > twice, the second time with the base64 encoding tampered with by > introducing some extra newlines. It preserved the tampered form > exactly. If it was extracting attachments for de-duplicated storage then > you’d expect to see the encoding canonicalized. > > That doesn’t rule out that it de-duplicates the _encoded_ form of > attachments (or that there’s a threshold and it’s over 15MB...), but if > so then it seems like they’re leaving a lot of space savings unexploited > - you get a 25% saving just by storing the binary form instead of > base64. They can't do that. It nullifies signing, if it is employed. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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