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| Started by | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| First post | 2025-10-10 01:30 -0400 |
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Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-10 01:30 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-10-10 08:20 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-10 11:03 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-10 11:42 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 02:15 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-11 11:09 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-11 11:57 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-12 12:53 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-12 17:50 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 21:30 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-12 12:56 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 02:15 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-10-10 09:29 +0200
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-10 03:34 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-10-10 13:06 +0200
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 02:17 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-10 21:42 +0200
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-10-10 23:02 +0200
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 02:42 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-11 18:48 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 22:15 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-12 23:08 +0200
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security apapmurray <apap.murray@mail.com> - 2025-10-11 14:26 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-13 03:07 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-13 10:42 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-13 12:47 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-13 16:34 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-13 17:41 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-13 19:07 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-13 18:22 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 01:44 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 06:36 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 10:40 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-14 23:02 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-14 23:31 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-15 01:25 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 22:57 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-17 16:13 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-17 22:55 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-18 05:40 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-18 03:12 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-18 11:16 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-18 21:54 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 03:32 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-20 18:01 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-20 20:52 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-21 02:25 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 00:47 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-21 09:42 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-21 22:58 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 23:52 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 05:31 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-22 01:57 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-22 12:12 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-22 23:57 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-23 04:06 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-22 21:45 -0700
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-23 03:22 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-23 19:30 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-23 09:05 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-23 19:35 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-23 09:04 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-23 19:16 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 05:19 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-22 12:39 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-22 18:03 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-22 15:27 -0700
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 22:42 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-18 18:42 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 04:24 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 11:34 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-18 11:06 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 03:04 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-19 19:33 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-20 01:40 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-20 10:03 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-20 23:31 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-21 09:28 +0100
Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-18 20:12 +0200
Re: Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 04:16 -0400
Re: Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-19 14:03 +0200
Re: Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 22:50 +0100
Re: Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-20 00:18 +0200
Re: Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-20 01:57 +0000
Re: Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-20 05:14 +0000
Re: Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-20 10:18 +0200
Re: Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-20 02:10 -0400
Re: Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-20 18:01 +0000
Re: Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-20 04:57 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 05:27 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 12:18 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 01:03 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-15 05:36 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 05:23 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 05:10 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 19:34 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 12:24 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 21:11 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 01:54 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-16 07:02 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-17 16:17 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-17 17:30 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-16 00:16 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 02:32 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-16 11:55 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 01:19 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-16 11:29 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-17 00:48 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-17 22:41 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-18 05:29 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-18 02:45 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-18 10:53 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 02:38 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-18 17:39 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-18 18:50 -0700
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 04:26 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 11:37 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 03:52 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 12:02 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-18 18:31 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-18 18:51 -0700
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 04:23 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 11:31 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-18 10:50 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-18 18:40 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 11:33 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-19 19:10 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-20 01:10 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-20 10:02 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-20 18:55 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-20 12:30 -0700
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-20 20:57 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 00:31 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-21 09:37 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-21 13:54 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-21 15:46 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-21 23:02 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-22 00:13 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 04:44 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-22 01:49 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-22 12:35 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-22 12:35 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-22 18:03 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-22 14:50 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-22 15:01 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-22 21:50 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-23 09:43 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-23 18:56 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-23 00:32 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-23 09:11 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 23:17 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-22 11:58 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 22:22 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 04:36 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-22 01:36 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-22 11:42 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 00:06 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-20 20:56 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-21 02:45 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 01:09 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-21 19:13 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-22 11:38 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-22 21:49 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-22 23:20 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 02:37 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 11:53 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-18 10:47 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 02:35 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 11:49 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-20 01:59 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-20 02:28 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-17 16:19 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-17 22:07 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-17 17:57 -0700
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-18 10:44 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 02:15 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 11:39 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-17 22:52 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-18 11:02 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 02:50 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 11:57 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-13 11:45 -0700
Recursion and Fibonnaci (was: Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-13 23:26 +0100
Re: Recursion and Fibonnaci Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-14 00:13 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 00:13 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 10:18 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-14 10:31 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 11:08 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 19:02 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 21:46 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 04:46 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-15 05:36 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 12:13 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 21:07 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-14 23:11 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 18:50 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 12:13 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 21:14 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 02:23 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-16 00:21 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 02:39 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-16 07:15 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-16 07:12 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-16 18:43 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-14 17:20 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 12:08 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 18:31 +0000
Computer Science (was: Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 23:27 +0100
Re: Computer Science (was: Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 04:40 +0000
Re: Computer Science (was: Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-15 05:36 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 21:29 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-15 05:36 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-15 03:41 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 12:33 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-16 00:23 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 01:31 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-16 07:17 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-16 11:54 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-17 00:41 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 05:42 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-14 23:04 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-15 08:39 -0700
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-16 00:17 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 02:36 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-16 06:57 +0000
OT: Examples for teaching recursion in programming (was: Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-16 10:13 +0100
Re: OT: Examples for teaching recursion in programming Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-16 17:42 +0100
Re: OT: Examples for teaching recursion in programming (was: Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-16 15:47 -0700
Re: OT: Examples for teaching recursion in programming Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-17 00:43 +0000
GOTO (was: Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-13 23:48 +0100
Re: GOTO (was: Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 00:30 +0000
Re: GOTO c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 01:19 -0400
Re: GOTO The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 10:31 +0100
Re: GOTO Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-14 08:21 +0100
Re: GOTO The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 10:34 +0100
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Re: GOTO The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 13:02 +0100
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Re: GOTO Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-16 00:25 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-14 22:58 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-14 23:09 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-14 22:37 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-10-14 23:41 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-15 00:15 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-10-15 04:32 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 12:29 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 01:23 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-16 11:38 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 05:04 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 12:30 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-16 21:53 +0200
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-17 00:48 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-17 12:56 +0200
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-17 08:22 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 12:26 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 01:22 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-10-16 08:11 +0200
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-16 06:53 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-10-16 08:56 +0200
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 03:04 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 03:03 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-16 07:08 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-16 11:37 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-10-16 12:39 +0200
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-16 11:57 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-10-16 15:31 +0200
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-16 10:25 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-16 11:34 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-10-16 12:40 +0200
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 18:11 +0100
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-23 19:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mlvebmFgc64U5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76574 |
On Thu, 23 Oct 2025 09:05:56 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 23/10/2025 05:06, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> On 2025-10-23, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >> >>> I didn't get an IQ test until grade 6. Overnight my status changed >>> from "dull" to "gifted underachiever". >>> A couple of other (longer) tests after that. Hey, I'm kind of a >>> spectrum 'geek', don't love socializing and such, the system >>> thought I was an idiot because I wasn't all "perky" and "likable". >> >> I'm sure I had an IQ test or three during my school years. >> I never did find out the results - apparently they were secrets almost >> as tightly kept as the nuclear codes. >> > They did whisper mine. But you wouldn't believe it if I told you. Many of my teachers didn't believe mine as I skated through with minimal effort unless a subject interested me. My grammar school report cards usually had 'no' checked for 'keeps busy at worthwhile activities'. My activities damn well were worthwhile, just not what they expected or approved of.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-23 09:04 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10dcnj6$1fbq0$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76560 |
On 23/10/2025 04:57, c186282 wrote: > I suspect ye and me will always have a different 'perspective' > on this issue. Doesn't mean we're opposites though, just looking > from slightly different angles. Of course. Everyone has their own worldview, similar to but not identical with, everyone else's, Only socialism sees that as a major problem. Where I came from the name of the game was finding out what people were good at and helping them achieve their potential. IQ tests were a tool in that process. -- Any fool can believe in principles - and most of them do!
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-23 19:16 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mlvd95Fgc64U3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76560 |
On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 23:57:11 -0400, c186282 wrote: > I didn't get an IQ test until grade 6. Overnight my status changed > from "dull" to "gifted underachiever". > A couple of other (longer) tests after that. Hey, I'm kind of a > spectrum 'geek', don't love socializing and such, the system thought > I was an idiot because I wasn't all "perky" and "likable". I had one at 4 in my mother's attempt to get me into kindergarten. I don't remember any past that until college. There was a project to assess the predictability of success form tests and I wound up in the group selected for the study. We had to show up a week before the freshman class started for about a week of every test they could dig up. At the end of the week we met individually with one of the administrators to discuss the results. Among other things he counseled me to find a career in science, not engineering. Probably his bias but he considered engineers to have adequate intelligence but not the sharpest knives in the drawer. I had a deja vu years later when a prospective employer sent me off for a battery of tests. The shrink said I was certainly capable and that's what he would tell the employer but off the record he told me I'd be bored out of my mind and I really belonged in some place like Lincoln Labs. I took the job anyway and lasted three months. My high school career probably classified me as dull. Then came the SATs, National Merit Scholarship exams, and the NYS Regents scholarship exam. There probably was a heated discussion in the faculty lounge along the lines of 'Oh fuck! I suppose we have to let him into the National Honor Society'.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-22 05:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mlr7rnF4r85U5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76484 |
On Tue, 21 Oct 2025 22:58:56 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Tue, 21 Oct 2025 09:42:39 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2025 20:52:55 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>> >>>> “IQ” is crap. >> >> [IQ] measures something. > > The “Q” stands for “quotient”. It’s a number from a division, multiplied > by 100, so the number 100 stands for “normal”. > > The two numbers being divided are your so-called “mental” age (derived > from the IQ test) and your actual age. > > So, somebody who is, say, 40 years old, with a genius-level IQ of 150, > must have a “mental” age of 40 * 150 / 100 = 60. Does that make sense to > you? > > That’s why “IQ” is crap. You're about 100 years behind the curve. Binet and Simon developed a test for French school children. There were tasks that could be performed by the 75% of the 8, 9, 10, etc year olds. If Child X completed the 10 year old tasks and stumbled at the 11 year old tasks, his mental age was 10 regardless of his chronological age. The test was designed to filter out the retards. It was revise several times in the early 1900's to include tests for older children and to better classify the slow. Stern devised the ratio to normalize the scores and coined the term. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ William_Stern_(psychologist)#Intelligence_quotient The Stanford Binet was an American revision and there quite a few other tests like the WAIS but they are scores like a SAT normalized on the infamous bell curve, not any indication of mental age particularly in adults. I was tested when I was four because my mother was trying to enroll me in kindergarten which had an age requirement of five. I talked to the nice man, did some little tasks, and wound up in first grade with the six year olds. Skipping kindergarten probably fucked up my socialization and it was a real pain in the ass being 2 years younger than everyone else through your entire school career. All I'll say about it is I've only met one self-proclaimed Mensa member and that was at an AA meeting.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-22 12:39 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10dafp3$ii4h$10@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76498 |
On 22/10/2025 06:19, rbowman wrote: > All I'll say about it is I've only met one self-proclaimed Mensa member > and that was at an AA meeting I worked for one, Complete cunt. Obsessed with his image. Not really intelligent at all. I suspect he cheated. I know what real IQ looks like because I have met many with IQs over 160 etc etc. As well as many who are less. -- In a Time of Universal Deceit, Telling the Truth Is a Revolutionary Act. - George Orwell
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-22 18:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <V%8KQ.1143656$ctz9.766095@fx16.iad> |
| In reply to | #76498 |
On 2025-10-22, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> All I'll say about it is I've only met one self-proclaimed Mensa member
> and that was at an AA meeting.
I refuse to join any club which would have me as a member.
-- Groucho Marx
--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell.
/ \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-22 15:27 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <10dblor$upah$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76542 |
On 10/22/25 11:03, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2025-10-22, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > >> All I'll say about it is I've only met one self-proclaimed Mensa member >> and that was at an AA meeting. > > I refuse to join any club which would have me as a member. > -- Groucho Marx > I had a very close friend for a few years who thought Mensa was the thing. He refused to believe in his mental illness and killed himself off his medication. Unlike Groucho I do not join clubs lightly but make an exception for LUGs. bliss- Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2025.10 Linux 6.12.54-pclos1- KDE Plasma 6.5.0
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-10-21 22:42 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <85CdnQBcHPsr2WX1nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #76463 |
On 10/21/25 04:42, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 21/10/2025 05:47, c186282 wrote: >> On 10/20/25 16:52, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2025 18:01:22 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>> >>>> On 2025-10-19, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> They'd better start working on that 600 IQ thing. >>>>> We're going to need it sooner than expected. >>>> >>>> Given the amount of effort being made by the Powers That Be to dumb >>>> down >>>> the general public - and the success of same - >>>> I wouldn't hold my breath. >>> >>> “IQ” is crap. >> >> Umm ... I'd tend to disagree. For sure we know >> it when we see it - it IS something. >> >> Exact quantification ... that's much fuzzier. >> "IQ" is kind of the best that can be done. >> I'm very good at some intellectual tasks, but >> crap at others ... a very jagged profile. >> >> I have met a very few however that are good >> at basically *everything* - and they're very >> impressive. Oddly not too many hold high >> or especially influential positions ... and >> the ones that do tend to be total assholes :-) >> >> Briefly met one guy who ... did you ever see >> that movie "Lucy" ... who could sort of "see" >> all the math in and behind everything. He >> was NOT very "stable" alas ... but WOW what >> a view he had. SOMEBODY paid him good money >> as well, never sure what FOR .... >> >> Computer universe ... also knew a guy who would >> re-write popular computer games for 6502-based >> systems. He did it totally in Machine Code >> using a PET platform. Said it gave him a buzz. >> Again, a "Sheldon-ish" kind of guy. >> > IQ was developed to identify men who could see abstract patterns in > things quickly and accurately, as it was found they made the best > officers in the military. > It was then found that it was fairly good at separating out people who > would benefit from a more intense and theoretical education. > > It measures something. "Some things". But it's not a great measure of lifetime performance in (barely) any line of endeavor. "Suggestive" only. Of course for military expediency ... I did mention that some the the very smartest people I've ever met did NOT do "much" ... they were kind on the 'philosophical overview' their intelligence made possible, but engaged to a minimum. > However it was found that certain cultures did not traditionally benefit > from it, and the survivors of those cultures did not exhibit it. Since > this was against the dogma of New Socialism, IQ was quietly dropped, and > efforts were made to ensure that everybody got Full Marx. Well, THAT'S what's important ! And the less intelligence the better eh ? :-)
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-18 18:42 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mli5c7FjgrdU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76301 |
On Sat, 18 Oct 2025 03:12:26 -0400, c186282 wrote: > I kind of liked "Godel, Escher, Bach" - an odd but interesting > perspective with lots of recursion That book was bad for my mental health.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-10-19 04:24 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <kY-cnTf8wb67PWn1nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #76324 |
On 10/18/25 14:42, rbowman wrote: > On Sat, 18 Oct 2025 03:12:26 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> I kind of liked "Godel, Escher, Bach" - an odd but interesting >> perspective with lots of recursion > > That book was bad for my mental health. Precisely as intended :-)
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-19 11:34 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10d2ert$2dnk0$10@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76354 |
On 19/10/2025 09:24, c186282 wrote: > On 10/18/25 14:42, rbowman wrote: >> On Sat, 18 Oct 2025 03:12:26 -0400, c186282 wrote: >> >>> I kind of liked "Godel, Escher, Bach" - an odd but interesting >>> perspective with lots of recursion >> >> That book was bad for my mental health. > > Precisely as intended :-) > I loved it. It gave me a much needed perspective on not so rational thought. -- It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. Mark Twain
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-18 11:06 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10cvorj$1nij3$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76295 |
On 18/10/2025 03:55, c186282 wrote: > Never heard of him until now. Figured out the > relevant boolean/logic rules on the fly while > writing my programs. Exactly. I had been managing teams and most of a small company years before I discovered that my habit of taking a long walk from the entrance to my office and looking out for people who looked unhappy and stopping to chat with them, was called 'Management By Walking About'. However in the case of quantum physics, it's really hard to get close to any idea how to design a better transistor without it. -- “Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.” H.L. Mencken, A Mencken Chrestomathy
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-10-19 03:04 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <kY-cnT78wb4XEGn1nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #76308 |
On 10/18/25 06:06, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 18/10/2025 03:55, c186282 wrote: >> Never heard of him until now. Figured out the >> relevant boolean/logic rules on the fly while >> writing my programs. > > Exactly. > > I had been managing teams and most of a small company years before I > discovered that my habit of taking a long walk from the entrance to my > office and looking out for people who looked unhappy and stopping to > chat with them, was called 'Management By Walking About'. A fair, oft productive, approach. Of course NOW everybody is unhappy all of the time about everything :-) > However in the case of quantum physics, it's really hard to get close to > any idea how to design a better transistor without it. TODAY, pretty much. YESTERDAY they did just fine without a huge QM pre work-up. The biggie is, well, the smallie ... by shrinking things we've moved into the scale where QM effects become more, eventually entirely, the driving factor. The near future looks to be "2-D" electronics made from MoS2, boron nitride and various graphene materials. They will be efficient, fast, low-power and near-atomic scale. How they work at all will be almost entirely QM. One more cheat level to Moore's law. Beyond that however ... the "end of faster electronics" does loom near. Even photons aren't fast enough to provide much of a boost. Either we need a whole new construction and computing paradigm or have to go 4th dimension.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-19 19:33 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mlksohF3kj4U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76346 |
On Sun, 19 Oct 2025 03:04:41 -0400, c186282 wrote: > TODAY, pretty much. YESTERDAY they did just fine without a huge QM > pre work-up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Electrons_and_Holes_in_Semiconductors_with_Applications_to_Transistor_Electronics
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-10-20 01:40 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <unGdnYv3CafdVmj1nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #76383 |
On 10/19/25 15:33, rbowman wrote: > On Sun, 19 Oct 2025 03:04:41 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> TODAY, pretty much. YESTERDAY they did just fine without a huge QM >> pre work-up. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ > Electrons_and_Holes_in_Semiconductors_with_Applications_to_Transistor_Electronics Umm ... a lot of stuff about beetles and birds ..... Better burrow down to a more specific link :-) Oh, 'transistor' was a word that didn't exist until the device had already been created. As said, there's a (likely small) paycheck in doing all sorts of theoretical analysis of new tech/devices but the actual tech probably took shape without much theoretical/QM consideration. In short they had a notion and just fucked-around with some hardware until something cool happened. As said elsewhere, TODAY the QM aspect is becoming far more important now that we've scaled-down the hardware to near-atomic dimensions. But twenty+ years ago that wasn't so much the case. From the tech postings, some of this new exotic "2-D" tech is VERY impressive. Stressed graphene, MoS2, BN(2) ... this will be the near future and save "AI" a lot of energy in the process. But, don't see much of a tech future BEYOND that as of yet. HOPING for like reliable deca-state logic or something, but don't see any hints. Moore may finally have his revenge. Then what ? I'm sort of reminded of the vast boom surrounding the invention of the electric grid in the late 1800s and early 1900s - it was SO popular, SO hyped, attracted SO much capital. But by maybe 1925 it had reached its zenith, a large degree of functional perfection, and would not go far beyond that again. The Tesla/Westlinghouse approach/math/theory/tech reigned supreme but there was no real 'next level'. 'Computing' tech may have a similar fate.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-20 10:03 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10d4tso$337uc$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76383 |
On 19/10/2025 20:33, rbowman wrote: > On Sun, 19 Oct 2025 03:04:41 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> TODAY, pretty much. YESTERDAY they did just fine without a huge QM >> pre work-up. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ > Electrons_and_Holes_in_Semiconductors_with_Applications_to_Transistor_Electronics > A good first introduction to quantum level stuff -- “The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools.” Herbert Spencer
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-10-20 23:31 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <Bm-dnVUUmLngY2v1nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #76415 |
On 10/20/25 05:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 19/10/2025 20:33, rbowman wrote: >> On Sun, 19 Oct 2025 03:04:41 -0400, c186282 wrote: >> >>> TODAY, pretty much. YESTERDAY they did just fine without a huge QM >>> pre work-up. >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ >> Electrons_and_Holes_in_Semiconductors_with_Applications_to_Transistor_Electronics >> > A good first introduction to quantum level stuff But they didn't build the thing using any of that theory - they just had some hunches and banged-together some bulk materials to see what would happen. The theoretical stuff came later.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-21 09:28 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10d7g6t$3p9iq$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76446 |
On 21/10/2025 04:31, c186282 wrote: > On 10/20/25 05:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 19/10/2025 20:33, rbowman wrote: >>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2025 03:04:41 -0400, c186282 wrote: >>> >>>> TODAY, pretty much. YESTERDAY they did just fine without a huge QM >>>> pre work-up. >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ >>> Electrons_and_Holes_in_Semiconductors_with_Applications_to_Transistor_Electronics >>> >> A good first introduction to quantum level stuff > > But they didn't build the thing using any > of that theory - they just had some hunches > and banged-together some bulk materials to > see what would happen. The theoretical > stuff came later. > I think you should read up on exactly what did happen. -- Climate is what you expect but weather is what you get. Mark Twain
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-18 20:12 +0200 |
| Subject | Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] |
| Message-ID | <rt1dslx3pk.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #76295 |
On 2025-10-18 04:55, c186282 wrote: > On 10/17/25 12:13, Rich wrote: >> c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >>> On 10/14/25 21:25, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>>> On Tue, 14 Oct 2025 23:31:44 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 2025-10-14, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Anybody who buys a book with “philosophy” in the title ... probably >>>>>> shouldn’t be allowed to manage a software project. >>>>> >>>>> Ironically, an elective course on logic that I took in university was >>>>> labeled "Philosophy 302". >>>>> That's where I learned about things like De Morgan's theorem, which >>>>> comes in quite handy for programming. >>>> >>>> I didn’t think philosphers believed in logic ... ;) >>>> >>>> I found an explanation of De Morgan’s Theorem in a book on computing >>>> hardware, I think it was. Hard to believe you can find people who write >>>> software, who don’t understand it. I remember on the Python group some >>>> years ago getting into an argument with someone who didn’t seem to >>>> appreciate that the opposite of >>>> >>>> a = b ∨ a = c >>>> >>>> was not >>>> >>>> a ≠ b ∨ a ≠ c >>>> >>>> but >>>> >>>> a ≠ b ∧ a ≠ c >>> >>> Never even heard of DeMorgan >> >> The basics underlying boolean logic: >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Morgan%27s_laws > > Never heard of him until now. Figured out the > relevant boolean/logic rules on the fly while > writing my programs. I think I heard of those, in Digital Electronics. But the '∨' and '∧' symbols confuse me. I have forgotten how we would draw the tables of truth, and then do simplifications fast. Long time no see. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-10-19 04:16 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] |
| Message-ID | <kY-cnTX8wb7rA2n1nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #76321 |
On 10/18/25 14:12, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-10-18 04:55, c186282 wrote: >> On 10/17/25 12:13, Rich wrote: >>> c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >>>> On 10/14/25 21:25, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>>>> On Tue, 14 Oct 2025 23:31:44 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 2025-10-14, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Anybody who buys a book with “philosophy” in the title ... probably >>>>>>> shouldn’t be allowed to manage a software project. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ironically, an elective course on logic that I took in university was >>>>>> labeled "Philosophy 302". >>>>>> That's where I learned about things like De Morgan's theorem, which >>>>>> comes in quite handy for programming. >>>>> >>>>> I didn’t think philosphers believed in logic ... ;) >>>>> >>>>> I found an explanation of De Morgan’s Theorem in a book on computing >>>>> hardware, I think it was. Hard to believe you can find people who >>>>> write >>>>> software, who don’t understand it. I remember on the Python group some >>>>> years ago getting into an argument with someone who didn’t seem to >>>>> appreciate that the opposite of >>>>> >>>>> a = b ∨ a = c >>>>> >>>>> was not >>>>> >>>>> a ≠ b ∨ a ≠ c >>>>> >>>>> but >>>>> >>>>> a ≠ b ∧ a ≠ c >>>> >>>> Never even heard of DeMorgan >>> >>> The basics underlying boolean logic: >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Morgan%27s_laws >> >> Never heard of him until now. Figured out the >> relevant boolean/logic rules on the fly while >> writing my programs. > > I think I heard of those, in Digital Electronics. But the '∨' and '∧' > symbols confuse me. > > I have forgotten how we would draw the tables of truth, and then do > simplifications fast. > > Long time no see. I suppose it's "relevant" - but I just never found a need to go more "formal" on it.
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